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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 405

HaRRicH | Posted 10/25/2006 1:03:15 PM | message detail
Considering Bowser =< Solid < Sonic =< Mega Man last year and Bowser got just shy of 60% against Ryu, 62% couldn't have been crazy for Mega Man...

...however, failing to match Bowser's performance last year is crazy too. Yeesh...hell, although Mega Man's about to change this, he's still behind what Solid Snake did in 2k3 to Ryu. This is just bad.....
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/25/2006 1:05:11 PM | message detail
Has there EVER been a time where MM hasn't gotten rSFFd by a strong Capcom character? Zero, Leon, and now Ryu...MM seems to be unable to SFF characters in his own company. And yet, he does the exact opposite for Nintendo characters.

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Draco1214 | Posted 10/25/2006 1:07:12 PM | message detail
The 40% club as of now (people who've been in at least two contests):

Link
Cloud Strife
Sephiroth
Solid Snake
Bowser
Kirby
Ryu
Aeris Gainsborough
Jill Valentine
Shadow the Hedgehog

Characters who will be in after this year:

Vincent Valentine
Kratos
Riku
Tifa Lockhart
Claire Redfield

Unfortunately, the 40% club lost one of its most distinguished members this year, since Gordon Freeman failed to break 40% on Sora. Funny enough, if Kefka had lost to Pac-Man in 2003, he'd be in the 40% club as well <_<
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/25/2006 1:07:28 PM | message detail
It could flop as much as SMS is a flop. Not much, but the potential to not even come close to living up to expectations is there.

From what I'm hearing, EGM's scores in their next issue for TP are going to be all perfect. IGN is looking like they'll be handing out a big ol' 10 for TP come review time. GameSpot is without a doubt looking like a 9.5+ for TP...

The bar Nintendo set for TP was Ocarina of Time. Their goal was to surpass that game in every way they could -- far deeper and better storyline, more dungeons, far better gameplay, Link always being a badass (Aonuma wasn't allowed to put Link into a situation where would ever look "foolish"), and the game is enormous.

The expectations are indeed large, but TP is going to live up to the hype about as well as it can. Whenever I watch one of those long trailers about the game, I always think "Man, this is the peak in gaming." AND THAT KIND OF FEELING IS BOTH AWESOME AND DEPRESSING!!

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HaRRicH | Posted 10/25/2006 1:07:34 PM | message detail
...Leon rSFF'd Mega Man? Ryu rSFF'd Mega Man? Excuse me for not buying either of those two, and Zero only barely rSFF'd him if he did at all.
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Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 10/25/2006 1:08:05 PM | message detail
"It could flop as much as SMS is a flop. Not much, but the potential to not even come close to living up to expectations is there."

I doubt that many people are seriously expecting it to be better than OOT. Especially not when the main version of the game forces you to use a remote. Sure Gamespot and IGN will jerk off to it in their reviews and everyone will pretend its better for a while like they did WW, but when everythings said and done OOT will still come out on top.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/25/2006 1:08:24 PM | message detail
Eh, even if there wasn't rSFF, there certainly wasn't SFF in Mega Man's favor.

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janembaman | Posted 10/25/2006 1:08:44 PM | message detail
....
I will here what I posted in another topic,and I expect you guys to prove me wrong

"Seems like everyone is taking Bowser performance on Ryu last year too far
Samus-57.85
Snake-57.29%
Sonic-55.54
Bowser-58.98

See? if only Megaman match was before Bowser's,no one would say he is "underperfoming".
And then came the Bowser/Snake match,and Bowser got 49.41% on Snake.
And what was everyone excuse? "Sprite Round" ....yeah...like Megaman has a pic advantage here >_>"
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/25/2006 1:09:59 PM | message detail
Also, yeah, Mega Man has the serious pic disadvantage here. It's just...ugh.

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HoorayProxies | Posted 10/25/2006 1:10:06 PM | message detail

I doubt that many people are seriously expecting it to be better than OOT. Especially not when the main version of the game forces you to use a remote. Sure Gamespot and IGN will jerk off to it in their reviews and everyone will pretend its better for a while like they did WW, but when everythings said and done OOT will still come out on top.


I think almost everyone is expecting it to be better than OoT, and that's where it can be a letdown.

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MegatokyoEd | Posted 10/25/2006 1:10:43 PM | message detail
You could say MM SFF'd Leon since it would make what Bowser got on him this year more believable. Of course then Gordon looks even stronger.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/25/2006 1:11:22 PM | message detail
The 40% club as of now (people who've been in at least two contests):

Bowser


He lost to Mario worse than that.

Tifa's also not a lock of making it, either, though she probably will.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/25/2006 1:11:47 PM | message detail
Link
Cloud Strife
Sephiroth
Solid Snake
Bowser
Kirby
Ryu
Aeris Gainsborough
Jill Valentine
Shadow the Hedgehog


2K4 against Mario
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/25/2006 1:11:59 PM | message detail
At the *very* most, Zero gave Mega Man him a touch of rSFF. I'm not buying rSFF for Leon or Ryu, this is all MM here.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/25/2006 1:12:10 PM | message detail
Leon boosted because of the PS2 version of RE4. The only thing that really feels odd about the equation is how badly Bowser beat Ryu, but that match always felt funny.

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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/25/2006 1:12:18 PM | message detail
I doubt that many people are seriously expecting it to be better than OOT.

If it isn't better than OoT, I'll eat my hat. Nintendo made this game in mind to surpass Ocarina of Time in every way. I don't think anyone at Nintendo thinks they've made a better game than Twilight Princess (four years of development and spending more money than they have on game development will probably do that >>) and I really don't doubt them. OoT is a fantastic game that surpasses pretty much everything...but you can't help but feel it will be better. Can't say for certain now, but if it's a better game, the only thing stopping it will be nostalgia.

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HaRRicH | Posted 10/25/2006 1:12:29 PM | message detail
Just because they're Capcom doesn't mean there's gonna be SFF -- if you wanna mention SFF for that, mention SFF for Solid/Soma.
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Kegger9 | Posted 10/25/2006 1:12:45 PM | message detail
Umm TP has a GCN version, no?


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TheSwizzle | Posted 10/25/2006 1:12:52 PM | message detail
Wouldn't Bowser be out in '03 vs. Cloud? He got seriously trounced.
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/25/2006 1:13:28 PM | message detail
And yet, he does the exact opposite for Nintendo characters.

...No. Stop that.

Mega Man has SFFed exactly one Nintendo character before.

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Yesmar | Posted 10/25/2006 1:13:33 PM | message detail
Jill isn't in the club either. She lost to Link in 2002.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/25/2006 1:15:51 PM | message detail
Nobody cares about this, but Megaman is doing better than Solid Snake now. >_>
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/25/2006 1:17:00 PM | message detail
Yeah, so that leaves the club at

Link
Cloud Strife
Sephiroth
Solid Snake
Kirby
Ryu
Aeris Gainsborough
Shadow the Hedgehog

And if you only count characters who have made every contest, it's just

Link
Cloud Strife
Sephiroth
Solid Snake
Kirby
Ryu
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janembaman | Posted 10/25/2006 1:17:46 PM | message detail
Nobody cares about this, but Megaman is doing better than Solid Snake now. >_>

And soon he will do better than Samus in 2002
How Bowser beat Ryu the hardest is beyond me
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/25/2006 1:17:53 PM | message detail
Kirby seems really out of place there.

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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 10/25/2006 1:17:59 PM | message detail
Mega Man has SFFed exactly one Nintendo character before.

But you can't honestly think that Yoshi is the one and only Ninty character that MM would have SFF with? I'd expect wierd things with at least every Mario Bros. character in an MM match, and Link clearly SFF'd him, so there'd clearly be SFF in an MM/Ganon match (and lets be honest, MM gets just about all of it). Not sure about if he could SFF Samus, and it looks like we'll never know...
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/25/2006 1:19:47 PM | message detail
Mega Man has really disappointed me here. I mean sure, he beats Samus, but now she might try to make it a close match! =(
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Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 10/25/2006 1:20:54 PM | message detail
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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/25/2006 1:21:58 PM | message detail
I think TP will be better than WW. That's it. Anyone who sets up a game to be the best thing ever is usually going to be disappointed, so I try to avoid that.

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Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 10/25/2006 1:24:22 PM | message detail
"If it isn't better than OoT, I'll eat my hat. Nintendo made this game in mind to surpass Ocarina of Time in every way. I don't think anyone at Nintendo thinks they've made a better game than Twilight Princess (four years of development and spending more money than they have on game development will probably do that >>) and I really don't doubt them. OoT is a fantastic game that surpasses pretty much everything...but you can't help but feel it will be better. Can't say for certain now, but if it's a better game, the only thing stopping it will be nostalgia."


Just for the record, do you consider WW or MM to be better than OOT? If so, it doesn't really matter to me if you like TP more. I'm willing to bet a heck of a lot that TP will not be seen five years from now as the better game. Theres just way too much that went in OOTs favor and to be honest I don't think Nintendo even has the talent or means to make a better game anymore. Well see whos right though. Just don't be disappointed if TP isn't the best thing ever. Do I expect it to be good? Yeah. Better than WW was at least. Do I expect it to be great? Yeah. Maybe. Nintendo seems to be putting a lot of effort into it. Do I expect it to top OOT? Heck no.

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HoorayProxies | Posted 10/25/2006 1:24:32 PM | message detail
I dunno... MM really has his ass in gear here. He can potentially match what Bowser did to Ryu or better if he keeps it up, and while not what I was expecting, wouldn't be horrible.

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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/25/2006 1:26:22 PM | message detail
OoT is definitely better than TWW and MM. TWW is right on the outskirts of top 10 for me, too, but there were issues with it that prevented it from being a better game despite doing quite a few things better.

From what I've seen and heard of TP, it sounds like Ocarina of Time on a serious case of steroids. And then they add the "new" in with the controls and Wolf Link. I can't help but be insanely hyped after that. After Nintendo came out and said TWW was rushed and they made plenty of "mistakes" with the game, I had a much increased confidence in them pumping out the game. They have the most talented group of individuals working on the game -- Shigeru Miyamoto, Eiji Aonuma, and the rest of EAD. The people who work on Zelda are the best of the best.


And regardless, this is going to be huge for Link, Ganon, and Zelda next year.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/25/2006 1:26:32 PM | message detail
That's another thing, what the hell happened to the so-called SF morning vote? MM barely rose at all during it.

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BDawg | Posted 10/25/2006 1:27:50 PM | message detail
Oh no it's too late Snake has it won because he clobbered an unknown and hammered a guy he beat down a lot worse a long time ago. Seriously though Ryu don't go through all that work just to get jobbed by the kiddies.
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janembaman | Posted 10/25/2006 1:28:14 PM | message detail
Megaman is getting 0.03 at average now...if he keeps up it can be really good
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/25/2006 1:28:40 PM | message detail
Oh, and for kicks, if Ryu has returned to his 2004 level, Mega Man is only underperforming by 1.5%, which he may be able to make up by the end of the match.

Also, that means Kratos is between 2005 Leon and Vivi (around 27.50% on BL), which is nearly a 8% boost from 2005. Now, we know he's underrated, but even with that and a boost, that's still really big.

Perhaps using 2003 Ryu would be better, but Mega Man would have to break 60% to look at his 2005 value. That means Kratos goes up 6% factoring in possibly being underrated and boosting.

Oh, and the only reason I say possibly is because both 2005 Sora and Alucard seem legit looking at results this Contest, but it's hard to deny there wasn't something in Snake/Sora...
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Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 10/25/2006 1:29:50 PM | message detail
"And regardless, this is going to be huge for Link, Ganon, and Zelda next year."


Yeah, I really wanted to see Link vs Cloud on TP release day. Probably wont happen though.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/25/2006 1:31:08 PM | message detail
We need to see Snake/Crono on SSBB release day next year.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/25/2006 1:31:33 PM | message detail
Snake/Sora was probably just Snake getting his first awesome match pic...ever. Plus, Snake seems like the type of character people would vote over Sora anyway. Badass vs. annoying kid? And there might be some of that PS fanbase SFF I heard about. Lots of factors.

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HoorayProxies | Posted 10/25/2006 1:32:35 PM | message detail
Snake/Crono on SSBB launch day would not be the most opportune time for Snake at all. The hype for the game won't be for Snake, and Nintendo fans not familiar with Snake already would be better off getting a chance to know him, and play with him rather than on the launch day of it.

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BDawg | Posted 10/25/2006 1:33:24 PM | message detail
It would be funny to see Snake so on steroids he suddenly beats the "..." out of Crono.
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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 10/25/2006 1:33:58 PM | message detail
Yeah, if I wanted Snake to win that match I'd much rather see it on MSG4 release day.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/25/2006 1:34:23 PM | message detail
Fine, then Snake/Crono on MGS4 day.

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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 10/25/2006 1:34:30 PM | message detail
MGS even
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HoorayProxies | Posted 10/25/2006 1:35:19 PM | message detail
Fine, then Snake/Crono on MGS4 day.

As long as MGS4 day is after SSBB day!

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/25/2006 1:35:36 PM | message detail

I think almost everyone is expecting it to be better than OoT, and that's where it can be a letdown.


Considering Majora's Mask was already better than OoT, I fail to see why they can't do it again <_<

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HoorayProxies | Posted 10/25/2006 1:36:09 PM | message detail
MM was better than OoT, but that's besides the point.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/25/2006 1:37:00 PM | message detail
Tell that to the average Zelda fan, peeps. You'll get guillotined, which is kind of sad.

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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/25/2006 1:38:36 PM | message detail
MM was better than OoT, but that's besides the point.

lol ec

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Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 10/25/2006 1:39:41 PM | message detail
Four main dungeons and almost all the character models being taken directly from OOT does not make it a better all around game to me. The fact that it isn't traditional Zelda doesn't help it either. I liked MM, but I don't see how it could be considered the superior game.

That Kafei/Anju sidequest did not take that long to beat and hardly made up for the game being shorter either.

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