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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 404

RPGuy96 | Posted 10/25/2006 12:38:48 AM | message detail
Mega Man and Bowser's percentages by the hour against Ryu:
Time | Bowser | Mega Man
00:00 | 52.39% |
23:00 | 52.71% |
22:00 | 54.25% |
21:00 | 52.68% |
20:00 | 54.46% |
19:00 | 56.38% |
18:00 | 55.36% |
17:00 | 56.93% |
16:00 | 57.76% |
15:00 | 57.85% |
14:00 | 58.69% |
13:00 | 59.50% |
12:00 | 60.03% |
11:00 | 61.86% |
10:00 | 61.65% |
09:00 | 63.66% |
08:00 | 63.75% |
07:00 | 63.40% |
06:00 | 62.56% |
05:00 | 58.28% |
04:00 | 57.49% |
03:00 | 55.93% | 55.18%
02:00 | 55.84% | 59.01%
01:00 | 56.97% | 60.46%

Mega Man actually did better the first two hours than Bowser did, and only a little worse once the night vote hit full force. The Blue Bomber is currently significantly under the King's 4:00 margin, but he should make it up in the morning and throughout the day by being a little better than Bowser. This night vote isn't *quite* as bad as it looks, is what I'm driving at.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/25/2006 12:40:02 AM | message detail
I'd be shocked if Snake wasn't the bracket favorite in that match. It's the reason why I laughed in the face of whoever suggested that Snake's bracket support was the reason why he crushed Squall that bad.

Snake ALWAYS has overwhelming bracket support, no matter who he's up against. Crono over Snake 2002 and Mega Man over Snake 2003 are among THE worst prediction percentages ever. Snake getting 80% over Soma, Tidus, and Squall is nothing for him. You'll find few characters who can enjoy a 70% support over the likes of Manny, Vivi, and Zelda.

Snake > Mega Man isn't a pick to get ahead of the casual brackets, it's a pick to get ahead of you ****ers. <_<
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 10/25/2006 12:41:23 AM | message detail
Mario/Crono has happened every year since the contest was created. Snake/Mega Man has happened twice, and we haven't seen it in a year. Mario/Crono 2k4 to 2k5 had just as big a shift as what Snake needs, and neither had any notable releases -- just a voter shift.

Some could consider the Nintendo DS and all that entails a significant new release.


Yeah, but not from characters who've already fought, and that's an important distinction.

Gordon/Tina is one example, but are you really going to take Knuckles over Snake next time they meet?

Because comparing Snake/Knuckles to Snake/Mega Man makes so much sense.


They've met several times over the years. It's not that abject of a comparison.

Sometimes things change, and othertimes things don't. Yoshi/Luigi might be a better example for me to use. Luigi might get stronger than Yoshi, but do you really think the group of voters changes that much to skew a fairly decided result?

...Yoshi and Luigi inherently entail SFF Exactly how overlapping do you think Snake and MM's fanbases are?


It doesn't have to solely with their shared bases. It also has to do with the clear preference of voters. Barring Mario/Crono and Link/Cloud, have we seen any other matches overturn...ever? I can't recall at this late hour.
Soma's untested.

Spin.


It's also a fact.

Playstation SFF.

Spin.


Because Snake/Sora and MGS/FFVII didn't show that something could be up when the two interact.
KH2 character,

Spin.


Again, because Axel isn't a new KH2 character?
and don't even include bad match last year for Ryu, if you aren't willing.

...wha?


I said not to consider the possibility of Ryu having one bad performance against Bowser as a reason if you weren't willing to entertain it.


There's only 'more' if you choose to see 'more'. I'm not going to argue this with you, spin doctor, I'd rather wait for the match. Mega Man's still the favorite in my eyes, but all you seem intent on doing is downplaying Snake's chances. That about says it all to me.


Yeah, and I can just as easily say,
There's only less if you choose to take things at strict face value. I'm not going to argue this with you, mgs fanboy. I'd rather wait for the match. Mega Man's still the favorite in my eyes, but all you seem intent on doing is displaying match results to favor Snake. That about says it all to me.

Really, those "spins" aren't that big of spins. How much has really changed since Snake's been by and far the marked weakest member of the noble nine and most likely to break to suddenly he's going to contend with Megaman, and therefore Sonic and Crono?

I haven't seen enough to really start worrying about Snake/Megaman, I'll give it to next round, but like I said earlier, even that's going to be hazy. I'm willing to admit there's enough evidence for the bandwagon to exist, but I"m not nearly willing enough to jump on it myself or endorse it over other bandwagons.
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/25/2006 12:41:58 AM | message detail
You'll find few characters who can enjoy a 70% support over the likes of Manny, Vivi, and Zelda.

I just want to do this...

Link had 77.06% against CATS, Ganon, Yoshi, and Crono. Oh yes.

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SecksThaNemesis | Posted 10/25/2006 12:42:28 AM | message detail

Snake > Mega Man isn't a pick to get ahead of the casual brackets, it's a pick to get ahead of you ****ers. <_<


Hopefully I'm not eliminated from the guru contest by the time that match comes around. >_>;
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SecksThaNemesis | Posted 10/25/2006 12:43:36 AM | message detail

Link had 77.06% against CATS, Ganon, Yoshi, and Crono. Oh yes.


I know one bracket that didn't support him in his next match!!
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transience | Posted 10/25/2006 12:45:38 AM | message detail
how many supported Link over Mega Man?????
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SecksThaNemesis | Posted 10/25/2006 12:46:16 AM | message detail
Surely HM will know how many brackets supported Link over Mega Man!


kekekeke
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/25/2006 12:47:01 AM | message detail
67.67% of brackets had Link in the finals.
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SecksThaNemesis | Posted 10/25/2006 12:47:33 AM | message detail
I know mine did!


Unfortunately it also had him jobbing to Sephiroth. =(
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/25/2006 12:47:33 AM | message detail
Ryu winning updates on MM. I'm loving it. ^_^

Anybody still think he's in the top 9?
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 10/25/2006 12:48:02 AM | message detail
Allthough, to be fair, there can't be many recurring matches as you said earlier. I had forgotten about that; it's getting late. There can't be turnovers if there aren't rematches.
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/25/2006 12:48:40 AM | message detail
HAY GUYS GO ROT KAY?


Link had a whopping 67.67% of the brackets against CATS, Ganondorf, Yoshi, Crono, and Mega Man. It's monstrous!!

Link had 63.77% of the brackets against Cloud in 2005, too. IT'S SO CRAZY!!


And, uh, Ryu won another update.

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SecksThaNemesis | Posted 10/25/2006 12:49:16 AM | message detail
Link had 63.77% of the brackets against Cloud in 2005, too.

....


That's disgusting.... 0_0
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/25/2006 12:50:37 AM | message detail
It's fantastic, considering that he should have even more overwhelming support this year. Him losing to Cloud will all but secure my contest victory!
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/25/2006 12:51:53 AM | message detail
Even more should have him winning the entire Battle Royale this year as well. Twilight Princess is on the horizon and he's taken the past two character battles without trouble. And to top it all off this year, Link's going to have his biggest win over Cloud yet -- 55% !! Believe.

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transience | Posted 10/25/2006 12:51:55 AM | message detail
is that all? I would have thought it to be more like 70%. I remember Sephiroth had like 79% or something silly vs. Mario.

darn you villain contest
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/25/2006 12:52:41 AM | message detail
Mario never had a chance so it was hardly silly.
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/25/2006 12:53:00 AM | message detail
Ahem -- lol kh!


And yeah, Sephiroth had 78.2% against the main bracket winner. 44.57% had Link winning the ToC.

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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/25/2006 12:55:23 AM | message detail
Hell yeah go Ryu! Show us that 2005 was just a bad year.

Oh and it's no surprise that Ryu wins some updates right now, if memory serves me right, he had the lead over Sonic for 1 hour. No other non Noble Nine character has ever managed to have the lead on a noble nine character that long.


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transience | Posted 10/25/2006 12:57:08 AM | message detail
heh, if you want to talk about poor years, go look at 2k3 Sonic - undoubtedly the worst NN year of all. two years later, what happens? he gets 49.8% on Mega Man.
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whatev | Posted 10/25/2006 12:59:12 AM | message detail
The worst NN year? I would think that having Frog break 48 on you would make for a pretty bad year.
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janembaman | Posted 10/25/2006 1:00:24 AM | message detail
Megaman is doing better than Bowser,and that was the year Bowser got 49.41% on Snake
Judging by this match (and Snake boost aside) Megaman is the favorite against Snake
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/25/2006 1:01:31 AM | message detail
As an interesting note, Link had 72.17% or so of the brackets taking him to the Final Four in 2003...I can only imagine what his PP against Cloud was in 2003.

No other non Noble Nine character has ever managed to have the lead on a noble nine character that long.

No other non-Noble has EVER had a sustained lead on a Noble Niner, period. Ryu's performance on Sonic is the glimmer of hope here for Mega Man...though that's still hardly a very impressive Sonic.

heh, if you want to talk about poor years, go look at 2k3 Sonic - undoubtedly the worst NN year of all.

Yes, yes...2k4 Snake never happened...believe.
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Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 10/25/2006 1:02:07 AM | message detail
So is the Link/Mega Man match still considered SFF?

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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/25/2006 1:02:14 AM | message detail
Megaman is doing better than Bowser,and that was the year Bowser got 49.41% on Snake
Judging by this match (and Snake boost aside) Megaman is the favorite against Snake


Uh...
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MyworldisSmurf | Posted 10/25/2006 1:02:40 AM | message detail
Sonic beat Zero and Aeris. There's no shame in that.
Snake struggled aganist Frog. There's a lot of shame in that.
And Megaman might top it all. Not breaking 70 on Axel, crapping himself aganist Ryu and maybe nearly losing to Sora.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/25/2006 1:02:44 AM | message detail
So is the Link/Mega Man match still considered SFF?

Why the hell wouldn't it? It's bloody obvious by now.
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janembaman | Posted 10/25/2006 1:03:44 AM | message detail
Uh...

Prove me wrong
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MyworldisSmurf | Posted 10/25/2006 1:04:17 AM | message detail
Ryu wins another update. ^_^
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/25/2006 1:04:20 AM | message detail
^I dunno, but after seeing how Yoshi won over Dante after being doubled by Megaman, there has to be something wierd in that match.

Oh and Ryu just made comeback! XD

Screw Vincent, Squall, Bowser, Ganondorf, Tifa, Sora and Zelda, Ryu is the tenth strongest character!
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MyworldisSmurf | Posted 10/25/2006 1:04:47 AM | message detail
Mageman SFFed Yoshi.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/25/2006 1:04:50 AM | message detail
Prove me wrong

I think I'll just ignore you, like I was planning to.
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/25/2006 1:04:59 AM | message detail
So is the Link/Mega Man match still considered SFF?

...There shouldn't be discussion on that anymore. It's pretty clear that it was SFF.

And, really, Link nearly SFFs everyone (KING OF SFF) who is even slightly tapping into his (large) fanbase, which Mega Man certainly was.

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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/25/2006 1:05:54 AM | message detail
BTW Smurf, even if Megaman might end up worse than what Bowser did, he still will do better than Sonic.

Don't underestimate Ryu..
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MyworldisSmurf | Posted 10/25/2006 1:07:10 AM | message detail
He'll do better than Sonic in his weakest year and Ryu in his strongest year.
If Mega Man goes under Bowser, I'd say it's for real.

gg Noble 9.
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janembaman | Posted 10/25/2006 1:07:29 AM | message detail
I think I'll just ignore you, like I was planning to

How nice
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/25/2006 1:08:00 AM | message detail
Even if MM were to lose to Snake, there's no way I envision him not being at least the 9th strongest character. No one else has stepped up to the plate to take away that mantle. The closest thing to that is Zelda, and I seriously doubt anyone is legitimately entertaining that upset.

oh wait it's smurf lol
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MyworldisSmurf | Posted 10/25/2006 1:08:05 AM | message detail
...There shouldn't be discussion on that anymore. It's pretty clear that it was SFF.

You were right about the first part. MM has performed on his unadjusted level both this year and last year. It's pretty clear it was legit.
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transience | Posted 10/25/2006 1:09:44 AM | message detail
yeah, agreed. I see a gulf between 9 and 10 right now unless Vincent steps up and gives Sonic the fight of his life. everyone else has fallen short so far this year. I can't buy Bowser giving Crono a fight after what happened last round.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 10/25/2006 1:11:35 AM | message detail
You were right about the first part. MM has performed on his unadjusted level both this year and last year. It's pretty clear it was legit.

Then Sonic must really suck to lose to such a weak character. Same with Shadow - he lost to the character that nearly got doubled by the weakling!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/25/2006 1:11:45 AM | message detail
I can't buy Bowser giving Crono a fight after what happened last round.

To be fair, I thought the exact same thing of Yoshi after his bout with Riku...and this match makes Bowser look pretty darn good, no question.

(no I don't expect him to give Crono a match)
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/25/2006 1:12:05 AM | message detail
MM has performed on his unadjusted level both this year and last year.

Really now? Ever thought about what that would do to your precious Sonic?

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janembaman | Posted 10/25/2006 1:12:23 AM | message detail
Godamnit KH,what do you have against me >_>
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transience | Posted 10/25/2006 1:21:08 AM | message detail
I wonder if that crappy picture has anything to do with MM's performance here. probably not, but it's possible. plus it's just impossible to make Ryu look bad.

man, there is going to be some considerable whining if Snake gets a sprite picture vs. Mega Man and he loses. while it would be good for my bracket, I'd hate to see a year of uncertainty thanks to that.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/25/2006 1:21:41 AM | message detail
I don't have anything against you...just against the suggestion that this match somehow establishes Mega Man as the favorite against Snake.

And no, I don't think I have to really explain why that's the case. *watches Mega Man lose yet another update*
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/25/2006 1:23:22 AM | message detail
I expect Snake to get a sprite picture against Mega Man. I anticipated it when I made my bracket. If he's the legitimately more popular character, I have faith Snake will pull through.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/25/2006 1:24:15 AM | message detail
I know this is a long time ago but Ryu almost got 43% on Solid Snake, where both had horrible pictures (yes it is possible to make Ryu look bad)

I think it's more that Ryu just had a really bad year during the last contest. And Ryu won another update ^_^
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 10/25/2006 1:24:57 AM | message detail
First actual "ExTha" post in S&D in a LOOOONG time. I feel so much more like myself now. =D
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/25/2006 1:27:19 AM | message detail
Holy crap!

Ryu not only took two consecutive updates, but he won that one with 55% of the vote.

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