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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 404
| janembaman | Posted 10/24/2006 3:31:38 PM | message detail |
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Uhhhh, you're totally missing the point. People actually cared about
Advent Children. You can't possibly compare it to a FFVII cell-phone
game. Did you see the Advent Children board and the FFVII board after
the leak? It DID bring people to this site... enough to make Vincent a
bit stronger at least. Well,there is a logic here..but still,it's not THAT much of a boost. This movie helped Tifa,but unfortunately for her,it will only make her look better against Samus >_> --- laff |
| wavedash101 | Posted 10/24/2006 3:33:51 PM | message detail |
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And why is that unfortunate...? --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Board 8's Unofficial Master of the Phoenix Down |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/24/2006 3:34:42 PM | message detail |
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...Why would Vincent have been overrated? He certainly would have
overrated the division, but he himself had no reason to. If you're
thinking the AC boost going away, there's the fact that it came out
again in America in April and then you add in his game right before the
contest started. There's no doubt in my mind that he's going to end up
stronger than he was in 2005, which is really the entire point of the
comparison. True (which is why 45-46% on the Blue Blur should be a lock unless Sonic boosted), but I don't think it's significantly stronger than that. 2%? That's...not much at all. It is from that previous overrated level, at least in my mind...and that's the upper limits that I put on his boost, too. I had no delusions that DoC/AC would be a wash, but I also had no delusions that a game that bad and a movie release would give *too* much, either. --- *kills self Commit it to memory. |
| therealmnm | Posted 10/24/2006 3:36:48 PM | message detail |
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If Vincent did end up overrated in 2k5,
Advent Children certainly wouldn't be the sole factor. Bandwagoning and
SFF between the shared CT/FFVII could also play a role. And that's if he was overrated at all. His performance against Crono wasn't the problem for me. It was Dante... --- Currently playing: Grand Theft Auto 3, Devil May Cry, Mega Man ZX |
| janembaman | Posted 10/24/2006 3:39:47 PM | message detail |
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What if Megaman picture will make him like Sprite round Snake...? Oh no way...65%+ on Ryu,that's what I expect to see when I wake up --- laff |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/24/2006 3:41:30 PM | message detail |
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You guys are severely overrating the pic factor here. Mega Man will do
just fine against Ryu. If he 'underperforms', it's his own damn fault,
he's got every advantage in the book. --- *kills self Commit it to memory. |
| MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/24/2006 3:41:54 PM | message detail |
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True (which is why 45-46% on the Blue Blur should be a lock unless
Sonic boosted), but I don't think it's significantly stronger than that. I think Vincent could rather easily get more than that. He's projected to get, what, 46% in 2005? I could see him getting up there to 47 - 49% on Sonic depending. It wouldn't be surprising in the least, really. It is from that previous overrated level, at least in my mind...and that's the upper limits that I put on his boost, too. I had no delusions that DoC/AC would be a wash, but I also had no delusions that a game that bad and a movie release would give *too* much, either. Didn't you constantly reference DMC2 helping Dante out when it came to that "bad game doing little" argument? I don't think you can suddenly cap a boost just because of where that boost would put a character. You can't say that 2% is too much or whatever just because of where 2% would put him, at least I don't think you can. He'll gain what he gains from that and there won't be any ceiling that we can really put on him until we see him against Sonic. Hell, even after the Sonic match we won't really know where he is. Sonic could go on to win the male half and put up a good performance on Samus... But what I was saying is that I see no reason for Ganon and Dante to be in the same tier while Vincent is a step above. Ganon was already ahead of Dante in 2005 (that's not counting him being underrated either) and performed better on what was very likely a pretty good deal stronger Vincent. Ganon doesn't go into a tier with Yoshi, Dante, and Knuckles. He just doesn't. --- The Master Sword is the most sought-after blade in Hyrule. He who wields it carries with him the hope of the kingdom. |
| HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/24/2006 3:43:39 PM | message detail |
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Gordon/Sora sure has been boring....I was hoping for Gordon to cut a little bit more percentage off Sora then this. --- Proud Member of The Bonne Pirate Family and Creator of the Servbots! WWEGSB Hardcore Legend and Board 8er Masa/Hiko |
| MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/24/2006 3:46:42 PM | message detail |
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Gordon/Sora sure has been boring... I think everyone should have expected that. << --- The Master Sword is the most sought-after blade in Hyrule. He who wields it carries with him the hope of the kingdom. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/24/2006 3:46:48 PM | message detail |
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Didn't you constantly reference DMC2 helping Dante out when it came
to that "bad game doing little" argument? I don't think you can
suddenly cap a boost just because of where that boost would put a
character. ...I'm not. I'm doing it because of what the game was. DMC2 boosted Dante, sure, but not only was it received better (amazingly), I don't think it boosted Dante as much as it appears from 2k2 (making my own stats is what has confirmed this in my mind <_<). Dante boosted, sure, but it wasn't that much. Vincent boosted, sure, but it wasn't that much. I haven't really changed any of my views on this since Ganondorf/Vincent. It really went just about the way I anticipated it to, aside from Vincent underperforming a lil' in my eyes. <_< --- *kills self Commit it to memory. |
| janembaman | Posted 10/24/2006 3:47:07 PM | message detail |
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I FEEL that Megaman is going to underperform regardless of the picture. It's my fanboyism that tells me to bash the picture because I don't want to believe Megaman is declining --- laff |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/24/2006 3:51:04 PM | message detail |
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Meh, I still feel something odd about Bowser/Ryu, though that match
with Kratos seems to indicate that there wasn't much wrong with it. If
Mega Man underperforms Bowser, I'm not going to be worried about it
though. It won't mean he's weaker than the Koopa King now, just that he
fluked last year against Ryu. At the same time, I'd like Snake > Mega Man better, though not because I think the Blue Bomber has weakened, but rather because Snake has strengthened. It would just tell me that Mega Man 2006 = Mega Man 2005 in the best case scenario, in all probability. --- Captain Jack Sparrow's Run to the NCAA Character Contest II Championship: Week 5: Darkwing Duck (4-0) |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/24/2006 3:55:09 PM | message detail |
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It's always better to rely on a character's strength rather than their
opponent's weakness. I choose to believe Mega Man hasn't budged an inch
for the worse, and unless he massively underperforms here that won't change. --- *kills self Commit it to memory. |
| MegaReincarnate | Posted 10/24/2006 4:03:53 PM | message detail |
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I think there are forces at work that we may not be able to predict. Sucks to be a non-Square non-Nintendo character that's not in the N9. Again. --- Hispanics 1 | Whites 5 Asians 4 | Blacks 3 |
| FastFalcon05 | Posted 10/24/2006 4:19:12 PM | message detail |
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I think Ryu will probably do better than expected if only because last
year was a really bad year for him. He had done better on Sonic the
year (or two?) before than on Bowser, so I wouldn't be too shocked for
him to have a good performance against Mega Man. --- Revenge is a dish best served by Z1mZum in the 2k6 Series Guru Contest. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/24/2006 4:19:43 PM | message detail |
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So the dillema today is either Sora is too low, or Phoenix is too high? I think the fact that fad characters with LUE support (Tingle, Nidoran F and Phoenix) doing good isn't just coincidence. LUE votes could have more of an effect than we think on these characters. If you drop Phoenix's value a bit and assume a constant Gordon, then lower Tingle's value a bit, I think the stats would look very agreeable. TuRtLe ~~~ 43/48 in the contest. My analysis topic here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=30498383&page=1 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/24/2006 4:20:14 PM | message detail |
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I don't believe Ryu 2k4 is legit (hello, SFAC!) and if you believe in
the sprite round hurting Snake you shouldn't trust Ryu 2k3 either. --- *kills self Commit it to memory. |
| trannyscience | Posted 10/24/2006 4:27:33 PM | message detail |
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I don't think SFAC would affect the match that much. either way, the
only reason you could bring it up is if you think Ryu 2k5 wasn't legit
for some reason.. Ryu 2k5 = Ryu 2k6 makes perfect sense to me. Ryu
being overrated from 2k3 to 2k5 doesn't really matter since we all know
he's not a near-elite character now. --- lov |
| trannyscience | Posted 10/24/2006 4:28:16 PM | message detail |
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though if that's the case, Aeris makes less sense to me than ever before.. --- love |
| rpgapzx | Posted 10/24/2006 4:29:43 PM | message detail |
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So the dillema today is either Sora is too low, or Phoenix is too high? Both. Gordon Freeman does not exhibit transitivity well. --- Poker is proof that men are the irrational sex. SC2K6: 51/52 // Today: Sora // Leaderboard: 10th |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/24/2006 4:30:24 PM | message detail |
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The thing about Ryu 2k5 is there's still potential for him to be
overrated, and Kratos definitely hints at it. I expect Mega Man to look
like he's made up for the Axel debacle and then some here, honestly.
Match picture aside, he's got EVERY advantage on Ryu. --- *kills self Commit it to memory. |
| trannyscience | Posted 10/24/2006 4:31:52 PM | message detail |
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what are you expecting? cause Mega Man would have to push for a
doubling to really impress me.. I figure Mega Man with 60% is a safe
pick. though no one's ever gotten that high on Ryu before.. --- love |
| therealmnm | Posted 10/24/2006 4:31:52 PM | message detail |
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I think Ryu will probably do better than expected if only because
last year was a really bad year for him. He had done better on Sonic
the year (or two?) before than on Bowser, so I wouldn't be too shocked
for him to have a good performance against Mega Man. Or maybe Ryu's roots being the SNES played a factor in that match! Things that make you go hmmmmmmm! --- Currently playing: Grand Theft Auto 3, Devil May Cry, Mega Man ZX |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/24/2006 4:33:23 PM | message detail |
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I can honestly see Mega Man underperforming on both Ryu and Sora while
Snake blows Yoshi out of the water, just to create drama for their
final 4 clash TuRtLe ~~~ 43/48 in the contest. My analysis topic here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=30498383&page=1 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/24/2006 4:33:44 PM | message detail |
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And by final four i mean elite 8 TuRtLe ~~~ 43/48 in the contest. My analysis topic here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=30498383&page=1 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/24/2006 4:33:48 PM | message detail |
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what are you expecting? cause Mega Man would have to push for a doubling to really impress me. That's actually more or less my prediction. Or maybe Ryu's roots being the SNES played a factor in that match! Things that make you go hmmmmmmm! If it played a factor with Bowser, I'd think it has the potential to do the same with Mega Man. --- --- *kills self Commit it to memory. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 10/24/2006 4:35:55 PM | message detail |
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MM gets 61% on Ryu by the stats. Personally I think the horrendous pic cancels out Ryu possibly being overrated. --- Do you really need me to bring out the Ovaltine?-Stripey12isback on why hes a war hero. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 10/24/2006 4:38:26 PM | message detail |
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I'm smelling some redemption from the King of SFF tommorrow. Not a doubling, but over the stats projection. But man, 2 bad years in a row for Ryu really doesn't seem right, and it'd be really weird if Ryu and Axel actually ended up close together. --- Moltar Status: Feeling good and hot-blooded. Sora vs. Gordon - Bracket: Sora - Vote: Sora (46/52) |
| therealmnm | Posted 10/24/2006 4:54:32 PM | message detail |
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If it played a factor with Bowser, I'd think it has the potential to do the same with Mega Man. Yeah, which means my theory wouldn't get to be proved until last year. If I am right, it's another knock on Samus not being able to SFF anything! --- Currently playing: Grand Theft Auto 3, Devil May Cry, Mega Man ZX |
| therealmnm | Posted 10/24/2006 4:54:52 PM | message detail |
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NEXT year... bleh. --- Currently playing: Grand Theft Auto 3, Devil May Cry, Mega Man ZX |
| trannyscience | Posted 10/24/2006 4:57:19 PM | message detail |
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Mega Man beating Ryu down wouldn't necessarily mean anything weird was
going on.. just that Ryu is getting weaker over time. Ryu's match with
Kratos isn't exactly damning, but it sure makes me doubt that he's the
pillar of strength some people make him out to be. --- love |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/24/2006 4:59:29 PM | message detail |
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Ryu seems the type to decline as the years go by. Street Fighter isn't
quite as popular as it used to be (mainstream, anyways) and it only
makes sense that Ryu would lose some strength over time. --- CB5 Points: 49/52, Current Oracle placement: 22/165 Now playing: Okami |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/24/2006 5:00:26 PM | message detail |
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You'd think the same of Mega Man, though, which perplexes me. MM seems
more iconic though (at least here) and his games are more popular...I
guess that works. --- *kills self Commit it to memory. |
| KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/24/2006 5:01:37 PM | message detail |
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Doesn't explain Crono, though. I'll be honest, his strength in these things baffles me. --- CB5 Points: 49/52, Current Oracle placement: 22/165 Now playing: Okami |
| therealmnm | Posted 10/24/2006 5:01:53 PM | message detail |
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I don't really see why Ryu would start decreasing NOW though. Street
Fighter has been far from its peak for a while now. Unless Marvel vs.
Capcom 2 had a big factor in it... To me, Ryu is Ryu. Everybody knows
him, and he's been around forever. --- Currently playing: Grand Theft Auto 3, Devil May Cry, Mega Man ZX |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/24/2006 5:08:16 PM | message detail |
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Perhaps Samus was underrated in 2k4, I like the way this man thinks, Samus > Seph 4 LFE. --- Portugal. The Man Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 10/24/2006 5:09:11 PM | message detail |
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lol at the people who still believe Freeman was a fluke last year. --- - Why the hell did I bet against a character as deep, awesome and badass as Lara Croft, instead favouring a character from something as lame as HL2? Forgive me, XIII. |
| MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/24/2006 5:10:06 PM | message detail |
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I'm expecting Mega Man/Ryu to go just about as it's projected to go myself. --- The Master Sword is the most sought-after blade in Hyrule. He who wields it carries with him the hope of the kingdom. |
| therealmnm | Posted 10/24/2006 5:13:11 PM | message detail |
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lol at the people who still believe Freeman was a fluke last year. Weren't you supporting Alyx? <_<; --- Currently playing: Grand Theft Auto 3, Devil May Cry, Mega Man ZX |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/24/2006 5:13:44 PM | message detail |
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I don't believe Ryu 2k4 is legit (hello, SFAC!) *joins the other nine people who bought the game in waving back* --- Captain Jack Sparrow's Run to the NCAA Character Contest II Championship: Week 5: Darkwing Duck (4-0) |
| Master Moltar | Posted 10/24/2006 5:15:20 PM | message detail |
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Meh, I thought Freeman's value was a little inflated, but put him any lower and Sora looks even worse today. I mean, Riku > Sora indirectly is just crazy talk!! And once again, Samus/Seph needs to happen! --- Moltar Status: Feeling good and hot-blooded. Sora vs. Gordon - Bracket: Sora - Vote: Sora (46/52) |
| MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/24/2006 5:20:09 PM | message detail |
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This match seems rather fine to me. Sora's just about equal to Luigi 2k5, which is much higher than he's been before. --- The Master Sword is the most sought-after blade in Hyrule. He who wields it carries with him the hope of the kingdom. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 10/24/2006 5:33:10 PM | message detail |
| Yeah, I was just expecting a bit more from Sora,
seeing as how I thought he was stronger in 2005 than in 2004. That
equates to a 1-2% boost to the main character of one of the biggest
games we've seen all year, and that's underwhelming to me, especially
compared to other KH characters. And I don't buy Alucard's given 2004 value, but things may work out if Alucard 2005 = Alucard 2006... Then Auron is between 2005 Knuckles and Alucard (a little above 32%), and Sora boosts 6% (which is more or less how much Riku probably boosted.) Only problem with that is either Kratos boosted a ton this year, or Ryu just fell off the map. Answer tommorrow? --- Moltar Status: Feeling good and hot-blooded. Sora vs. Gordon - Bracket: Sora - Vote: Sora (46/52) |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/24/2006 5:34:12 PM | message detail |
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Ryu still breaks 40% tomorrow. We can't lose two in a row... --- Captain Jack Sparrow's Run to the NCAA Character Contest II Championship: Week 5: Darkwing Duck (4-0) |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 10/24/2006 5:34:26 PM | message detail |
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Sora will get around 45% or higher on MM.
Let's not forget that HL2 for Xbox and HL2: E1 just came out, which
should make Gordon even stronger then last year. The only thing fishy about this match is Phoenix Wright not being fodder. But, that doesn't really matter as he most likely won't make it back into the contest. --- - Why the hell did I bet against a character as deep, awesome and badass as Lara Croft, instead favouring a character from something as lame as HL2? Forgive me, XIII. |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/24/2006 5:35:59 PM | message detail |
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Nah, Phoenix Wright will be back. He's getting a new game to keep the fad alive. --- Captain Jack Sparrow's Run to the NCAA Character Contest II Championship: Week 5: Darkwing Duck (4-0) |
| FastFalcon05 | Posted 10/24/2006 5:37:00 PM | message detail |
| Isn't it hazy territory to measure anything off
Gordon Freeman though? I'm not really worried about Sora, he'll
hopefully have a good showing against Mega Man, setting himself to look
nice going into next year. Also, he's still pretty dominant right now, I was sort of surprised. It isn't late or anything, but he's still pulling in consistent 65+ updates. --- Revenge is a dish best served by Z1mZum in the 2k6 Series Guru Contest. |
| wavedash101 | Posted 10/24/2006 5:37:12 PM | message detail |
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lol at Phoenix not coming back despite the 4 seed in a split bracket... --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Board 8's Unofficial Master of the Phoenix Down |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/24/2006 5:38:31 PM | message detail |
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Either way, Sora's looking a lot better now than he was when I was
talking about Gordon looking too high as a result of this (he was
around 61.8% at the time), and he'll probably breach 64% before it's
all said and done. That's a pretty hefty difference. Love that KH day vote. --- Captain Jack Sparrow's Run to the NCAA Character Contest II Championship: Week 5: Darkwing Duck (4-0) |
| MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/24/2006 5:39:01 PM | message detail |
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Sora will get around 45% or higher on MM. Let's not forget that HL2
for Xbox and HL2: E1 just came out, which should make Gordon even
stronger then last year. ...45%? Sora will be doing what he's supposed to by getting 40% against a constant Mega Man. Putting mid-40s on Mega Man is something that people like Squall would be expected to do, not Sora. --- The Master Sword is the most sought-after blade in Hyrule. He who wields it carries with him the hope of the kingdom. |
