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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 403

MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/23/2006 5:08:38 PM | message detail
Vincent needs to beat Sonic for me to believe there was another widescale Nintendo boost. Make no mistake, Nintendo characters have looked really good coming into this year. Off the top of my head, Ganon is the only one who's actually lost (Nidoran F doesn't count) and it wasn't by that much either.

There are definitely things pointing to it, but I think Vincent beating Sonic would be that one piece of conclusive evidence that points to it being so. Some may ask why and that would be because of how close Ganon and Sonic would be. Of course, Vincent could lose and then go on to win the male half or something and make Ganon look good still...but we'd figure that out later.

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/23/2006 5:09:01 PM | message detail
Until Solid Snake busts out the NNOF on him!
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/23/2006 5:09:59 PM | message detail
Of course, Vincent could lose and then go on to win the male half or something and make Ganon look good still...

It'd be very impressive for Vincent to lose and still win the male half.
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TehMissingLink | Posted 10/23/2006 5:11:10 PM | message detail
And before anyone says anything, it's supposed to say Vincent could lose and then Sonic go on to win the male half!

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/23/2006 5:15:41 PM | message detail
Except that's impossible! Vincent's winning the male half, and there is no Nintendo boost! Samus is just really, really underrated!

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/23/2006 5:18:33 PM | message detail
~1500 votes? Unless Dante = Samus, this thing is over.

I'll guess there's a 23.32% prediction percentage in Yoshi's favor.

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/23/2006 5:19:20 PM | message detail
Or if there was massive vote stuffing. Either way, it's over.

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trannyscience | Posted 10/23/2006 5:20:38 PM | message detail
Yoshi should get at least 25%.. I'd guess 30.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 10/23/2006 5:22:05 PM | message detail
MOnly 58% even have him this far. And I definitely think that even out of that 58%, Dante was probably the favorite, so I bet it'll be under 29% at least.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 10/23/2006 5:22:07 PM | message detail
But either way, a second boost makes Leon Kennedy look really strong if Bowser got hold of it, and Sonic would be in big trouble.

My point exactly...Sonic's going down!
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Haste_2 | Posted 10/23/2006 5:22:17 PM | message detail
For the Division to be legit, Riku has to have boosted through the roof. I still bet that Bowser is stronger than Yoshi, I'm not willing to believe a 5% gain for Leon Kennedy on top of a a similar gain for Riku. The evidence for Bowser over-performing on Snake last year has been quite strong so far. Riku, Leon Kennedy, Knuckles, and Dante all getting near-record gains (bar KH1 factor) either between 2K4/2K5 and 2K5/2K6? That seems like way too much of a coincidence. Then, add Squall's performance which would fit in with a decent Snake increase, and the fact that three (more than two!) different methods all pointed to Yoshi being around 30% on BL last year...sure, none of them were good, but they all pointed to Yoshi = 29-31%.

Once again, I'm on side of the Devil Division = over-rated a good deal...and I still maintain Luigi is equal to or slightly stronger than Yoshi. If Bowser gets around 43% on Crono I'll feel even better about all that I said. Vincent/Sonic won't make me rethink that, unless Vincent gets 49+%...

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/23/2006 5:27:46 PM | message detail
For the people doubting KH2's effects, how many of you have written an FAQ for the game? Because I have, and my inbox is well aware of how fanatical people are about it.

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/23/2006 5:30:36 PM | message detail
For the people doubting KH2's effects, how many of you have written an FAQ for the game? Because I have, and my inbox is well aware of how fanatical people are about it.

Writing an FAQ about a game hardly gives any of your arguments about it's affects in this topic more credence. There's fanatical people about every game. Have you seen the Halo fanbase? That doesn't mean Halo 2 boosted MC to the stratosphere.

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Tediz247 | Posted 10/23/2006 5:34:16 PM | message detail
Ulti, look at the number 3 game and the number 6 game on the 10 most popular FAQs. A popular FAQ doesn't necessarily translate to contest strength. Of course, it happens to do so in the case of KHII, but not for GTA:SA or WoW.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/23/2006 5:34:59 PM | message detail
I'm a fan of Riku boosting, but also being underrated by Frog last year

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/23/2006 5:35:45 PM | message detail
Oh, and to add to that, if you're only talking about Riku and Sora boosting I'll agree with you, but if you're talking about a KH2F, I laugh. Would I have ever thought Riku would be that strong this year? No chance. Is it possible? Sure.

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/23/2006 5:36:33 PM | message detail
Oops, I almost forgot! It looks like MM really is the King of SFF.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/23/2006 5:36:38 PM | message detail
Writing an FAQ about a game hardly gives any of your arguments about it's affects in this topic more credence.

Maybe, but we're talking about a popular Square game's in-depth bestiary getting 100k hits in ~6 months, a few years after KH1 caused Cloud and Sephiroth to murder everything in 2003. On top of hundreds and hundreds of e-mails, and KAIRI beating CLAIRE REDFIELD afterwards. KH fans are crazy enough to make a difference, dude.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/23/2006 5:37:31 PM | message detail
From Tediz247 Posted 10/23/2006 8:34:16 PM #314
Ulti, look at the number 3 game and the number 6 game on the 10 most popular FAQs. A popular FAQ doesn't necessarily translate to contest strength. Of course, it happens to do so in the case of KHII, but not for GTA:SA or WoW.

I'm a huge fan of the FAQ list not mattering (GTA), but there have to be exceptions on a site dominated by Squintendo.

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TehMissingLink | Posted 10/23/2006 5:37:34 PM | message detail
Mega Man cannot be the King when he himself got rocked by SFF !!

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Haste_2 | Posted 10/23/2006 5:37:54 PM | message detail
I hope Sora boosted as much as Riku, then, and that Zero/Luigi was all Zero's weaness, and Mega Man dropped as much as Zero did. :p

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/23/2006 5:38:10 PM | message detail
You say that like Kairi > Claire is impressive, I mean yeah, she won a match, but she's still going to be weak. And I think everyone and their mother knows my feelings on Seph/Cloud transition to 2K3, so I'm not even going to start that.

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/23/2006 5:38:56 PM | message detail
Mega Man cannot be the King when he himself got rocked by SFF !!

I can't remember any such occurrence!

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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 10/23/2006 5:39:37 PM | message detail
Mega Man dropped as much as Zero did. :p

So with KH2...Axel is still a chump. lol.
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Super Luigi | Posted 10/23/2006 5:39:47 PM | message detail
****ing Dante. I seriously think Yoshi is winning because of that obvious picture... <_<
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TehMissingLink | Posted 10/23/2006 5:40:08 PM | message detail
Let me refresh your memory then!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1778

MAGUS > MEGA MAN!

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/23/2006 5:40:49 PM | message detail
HM stop messing with the site, you're gonna get Ceej to ban you!

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 10/23/2006 5:41:20 PM | message detail
MAGUS > MEGA MAN!

It's so true!
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Super Luigi | Posted 10/23/2006 5:41:22 PM | message detail
Megaman bombed against Axel. Why dont you just admit it? Axel barely even played a small role in a game and MM let him get 30% on him.
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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 10/23/2006 5:41:52 PM | message detail
MAGUS > MEGA MAN!

I think I just threw up in my mouth.
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Janus5000 | Posted 10/23/2006 5:42:35 PM | message detail
Axel barely even played a small role in a game

So did Vincent!
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/23/2006 5:42:35 PM | message detail
Snake > Squall > Knuckles > Magus > Mega Man

Link has decreed it to be so!
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/23/2006 5:43:02 PM | message detail
Match XLIII: (1) Sora vs. (5) Gordon Freeman

Previous Matches

Sora
Defeated Tingle, 75.61% - 24.39%

Gordon Freeman
Defeated Phoenix Wright, 58.20% - 41.80%

Analysis:

Last round Tingle showed that even if he’s one of the most hated characters ever some Zelda fans would vote for anything from Zelda over anything else. Also last round was also the end of GFNW when Freeman actually won a match, even if the win was against his weakest opponent since Tina Armstrong a win is a win.

Welcome to round 2 of the boring Destiny Division where all the matches in this division are obvious. Next up we have Sora who should have no problem winning since he is Freeman’s strongest opponent ever. GFNW may have been destroyed last round, but Freeman still belongs to a few group of members who have never let an opponent break 60% on them; will Sora be the one to break that as well?

Since last year Sora has had Kingdom Hearts 2 released, now Sora wasn’t that impressive with Tingle (who is a new character), but both Riku and Axel did very well and even Kairi didn’t manage to get destroyed. While I don’t think there is a widespread Kingdom Hearts boost for all square character I do think it has helped Sora and gang (and maybe Auron since he wasn’t in the first one). Not that is would matter since there is no way she could boost high enough to beat Mega Man and even if he got no boost there is no way Freeman could make the upset.

Sora along with Tifa and Bowser had so much potential to make nail-biting matches, but were put into clear cut paths. I guess you can’t blame CJayC because there will always be a year where some character gets screwed by the bracket. As for Sora/Gordon I think this will be the first time where Freeman will fail to get 40% against an opponent. Because of Freeman’s joke character mentality will be almost gone this might be the last we’ll see of him because he will receive less board support, but I guess he still has the Half-Life fans to get him in the contest.

charmander6000’s Bracket: Sora over Gordon Freeman

charmander6000’s Prediction: Sora wins, 62.94% - 37.06%

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Draco1214 | Posted 10/23/2006 5:43:06 PM | message detail
This is really embarrassing for Dante. He was supposed to win with ease and instead rolled over to the afterschool vote.

And no, I don't believe Riku is really worth 30% on BL. This implies that Sora is Snake's level and is going to give Mega Man a scare (not to mention it means Tingle is well above the fodder line).
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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 10/23/2006 5:43:11 PM | message detail
Megaman bombed against Axel

So a character from one of the biggest games on this site can't be slightly stronger than GORDON FREEMAN?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/23/2006 5:46:51 PM | message detail
Gordon Freeman isn't worth 23% on BL.
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Haste_2 | Posted 10/23/2006 5:47:28 PM | message detail
Nah, it all fits perfectly!!!!1

Yoshi beats Luigi with 54.48%, meaning he beats Zero with 57.86%...Mega Man beat Zero with 56.01%, so Yoshi beats Mega Man with 52.10%.

Using a rough estimate, Sora beats Riku with 58%, meaning Sora beats Yoshi with 53.12%. Thus, Sora beats Mega Man with 55.08%! But, wait, Riku had a pitiful role in KH2, meaning Sora has boosted even MORE!

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cyko | Posted 10/23/2006 5:47:34 PM | message detail

The picture factor existed for that one match. I will not believe otherwise!!


the picture factor exists for almost all matches! if anyone honestly thinks that all 120,000+ voters have a strong opinion about every (or even most) characters in this contest, then you are more crazy than i give you credit for.

Still, is is another piece of evidence in favor of the Nintendo boost Mk.II this year.


i still don't buy it. i whole-heartedly support the idea that Nintendo has maintained their strength from last year, but their really hasn't been much to support a second boost outside of fodder getting blown-out (which is rarely reliable) and possibly Luigi's odd beating of Zero. Kingdom Hearts 2 is the true star of this year's contest.

i am also very glad that i never stopped supporting Yoshi to win this match!! i was nervous about his chances for a while, but i never gave up hope that he would win. that means that i have correctly predicted every match Yoshi has ever been in! i had Bowser over Yoshi in 2003, Yoshi over Luigi in 2004 and Yoshi over Dante in 2006. has anyone else here called all 3 of Yoshi's matches right?

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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/23/2006 5:48:32 PM | message detail
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/23/2006 5:49:23 PM | message detail
And no, I don't believe Riku is really worth 30% on BL. This implies that Sora is Snake's level and is going to give Mega Man a scare

Not really. That would give Riku a 6% boost, remember it's easier to boost at a lower level, and giving Sora a healthy 5% from his 2K4 number isn't crazy at all. That puts him at 34% on BL AKA Zelda 2K5. It's not hard for me to believe at all. He's a much more likeable character in KH2 than he was in the original, and it's brought in new fans as well. It's the biggest new game/franchise on this site, there's plenty of reason to believe Sora has some serious strength.

Sora getting 43.5-44% on MM wouldn't shock me at all.

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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 10/23/2006 5:49:44 PM | message detail
Gordon Freeman isn't worth 23% on BL.

Whatever, I just picked him randomly out of that slew of characters there since he has a little more notoriety in this topic. But Vercetti, Kefka, Diablo, etc? I'd take Axel over all of em. The only thing that confuses me is Riku being around there, I'll just say he's underrated somehow.
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Haste_2 | Posted 10/23/2006 5:50:11 PM | message detail
KH, Gordon might be like another Master Chief. He might end up even HIGHER in the x-stats last year, since not only is he facing a stronger opponent (Sora), but one that might be rather non-linear (i.e. anti-votes) himself. Probably not, though...it's my opinion that Gordon has fallen a bit, with HL2 being older now.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/23/2006 5:52:00 PM | message detail
From PortugalTheMann Posted 10/23/2006 8:35:45 PM
Oh, and to add to that, if you're only talking about Riku and Sora boosting I'll agree with you, but if you're talking about a KH2F, I laugh. Would I have ever thought Riku would be that strong this year? No chance. Is it possible? Sure.

I always figured his number on Frog was legit while something odd happened in Frog/Smaus.

As for the KH2F, the only character outside of the straight KH2 characters I can see it helping noticeably is Auron, and we'll see how he does against Crono.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/23/2006 5:52:13 PM | message detail
Whatever, I just picked him randomly out of that slew of characters there since he has a little more notoriety in this topic. But Vercetti, Kefka, Diablo, etc? I'd take Axel over all of em.

You go ahead and do that.

The only thing that confuses me is Riku being around there, I'll just say he's underrated somehow.

Very convenient, that.

KH, Gordon might be like another Master Chief. He might end up even HIGHER in the x-stats last year, since not only is he facing a stronger opponent (Sora), but one that might be rather non-linear (i.e. anti-votes) himself. Probably not, though...it's my opinion that Gordon has fallen a bit, with HL2 being older now.

He might, though that hardly diminishes the point. Sub-Zero can beat Master Chief, but there's no way he's worth 38% on Crono.
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Draco1214 | Posted 10/23/2006 5:53:51 PM | message detail
I think this match is a clear warning sign that the Devil Division is indeed overrated. Expect Sonic to do better on Vincent than expected.
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dethfdddddh | Posted 10/23/2006 5:56:03 PM | message detail
Except Vincent's the one who wouldn't be overrated; American AC release definatly gives him whatever power he got from the temporary JP AC boost during Crono/Vincent and DoC makes it up even if AC has faltered a tiny bit.

Right? >_>
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/23/2006 5:58:00 PM | message detail
Yeah, what makes you so certain that whatever Vincent did that MIGHT have made the Devil Division overrated last year will have gone away?
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/23/2006 5:58:05 PM | message detail
I think this match is a clear warning sign that the Devil Division is indeed overrated. Expect Sonic to do better on Vincent than expected.

Even if DD is overrated Vincent should do just dandy.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/23/2006 5:58:49 PM | message detail
The Devil Division being overrated by THAT much makes some things fall in line, but not others. For example, barring a massive boost for Vincent thanks to DoC/AC, Ganondorf is going to look like an absolute chump. Sunshine deals don't stay with you, that's why Mario was in for the fight of his life against Crono after his win over Cloud in 2002. Hayabusa will look absolutely pathetic, and that means you guys are going to have to jump on over to my Dante/Hayabusa SFF bandwagon, or somehow Zero was actually overrated in 2005. The only things that really fall in line are Snake/Squall (meaning no SFF) and this match...and that means Yoshi is significantly weaker than Luigi.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/23/2006 6:02:27 PM | message detail
Which is why I'll just believe Yoshi is really this strong, and KH2 just boosted Riku/Sora a lot. Still this contest is shaping out damn good, and everyone that continues to talk about these contests being too predictable need to stop talking.

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