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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 399

PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/21/2006 9:39:53 PM | message detail

Can you please tell me how the fans of a third person stealth game can interlap with fans of a turn-based RPG game? I mean, the genres are like the complete opposite of the spectrum here.


So you've never played a Mario game and a Final Fantasy game? I MEAN IF YOU LIKE PLATFORMERS YOU CAN ONLY PLAY PLATFORMERS, IF YOU LIKE RPG YOU CAN ONLY PLAY RPG.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/21/2006 9:40:06 PM | message detail
You don't need to convince me about MGS/FF SFF. I'm a believer now.

TuRtLe
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43/48 in the contest. My analysis topic here:
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/21/2006 9:40:11 PM | message detail
A Mega Man FPS for the Wii would kick ass.

You wouldn't be able to aim up or down. It'd be like the original Doom with a remote control.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/21/2006 9:40:47 PM | message detail
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LegendarySnake | Posted 10/21/2006 9:40:54 PM | message detail
You wouldn't be able to aim up or down. It'd be like the original Doom with a remote control.

...Why am I having a flash of deja vu? Have we discussed this before?
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/21/2006 9:41:21 PM | message detail
True or False: wherever Squall finishes this match at, Vincent would finish with at least 2% more.
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LegendarySnake | Posted 10/21/2006 9:41:38 PM | message detail
The amount of SFF in this match is equal to the amount in Bowser/Leon or Ryu/Kratos.

Except it isn't and there's no reason to believe this. Even based on Squall 2003, this is better than Snake is projected to do.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/21/2006 9:41:44 PM | message detail
So you've never played a Mario game and a Final Fantasy game? I MEAN IF YOU LIKE PLATFORMERS YOU CAN ONLY PLAY PLATFORMERS, IF YOU LIKE RPG YOU CAN ONLY PLAY RPG.

EC, look at this please: The amount of SFF in this match is equal to the amount in Bowser/Leon or Ryu/Kratos.

I already covered that point. This match has as much SFF as every other match in this contest.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/21/2006 9:42:05 PM | message detail
Vincent could potentially win this match. Vincent and Squall may be damned close, but nothing SFFes FFVII. Period.
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LegendarySnake | Posted 10/21/2006 9:42:06 PM | message detail
True or False: wherever Squall finishes this match at, Vincent would finish with at least 2% more.

Try 5-7. You don't SFF FFVII.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/21/2006 9:42:12 PM | message detail
And Soul, MGS and FF7 were probably the two must-owns on the PS1. Obviously there's some kind of overlap there. I'd love to see Cloud/Snake though. I can see Snake overperforming due to his character model being much more badass.

TuRtLe
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43/48 in the contest. My analysis topic here:
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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/21/2006 9:42:18 PM | message detail
Even based on Squall 2003, this is better than Snake is projected to do.

Because it's impossible for Snake to boost?
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/21/2006 9:42:23 PM | message detail
I say something along those lines almost every time I hear something about a Mega Man FPS, heh. I'd give it a shot, but I'm not TOO crazy about seeing the MEga Man world in a FPS-situation.
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LegendarySnake | Posted 10/21/2006 9:43:11 PM | message detail
Because it's impossible for Snake to boost?

No, because Squall isn't that low. It's proving a point.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/21/2006 9:43:12 PM | message detail
And Soul, MGS and FF7 were probably the two must-owns on the PS1

Well then, I'm sure you are one hell of a believer in Link SFFing Mario in lol 2002.
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transience | Posted 10/21/2006 9:43:12 PM | message detail
Soul is right - Solid Snake is going to destroy the main bracket! Samus is so screwed
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Ed Bellis | Posted 10/21/2006 9:43:21 PM | message detail
Take out the FF7/MGS match and the FF/MGS series match* (as games/series should be no indication of the character's strength or SFF abilities).

k then, that still leaves Sephiroth vs. Liquid, Snake vs. Sora (not just pic factor presumably), Tifa vs. The Boss, and the contest histories of both Snake and Squall. I see the point you're making, Soul, but there's a ton of evidence that's just too hard to ignore.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/21/2006 9:43:36 PM | message detail

EC, look at this please: The amount of SFF in this match is equal to the amount in Bowser/Leon or Ryu/Kratos.


Uh... no, that doesn't even make sense. Bowser is potentially overrated in 2K5 thanks to an overperformance on Bowser in the sprite round, and even if he isn't, Leon's game RE4, has sold more copies than it had total sales in 2K5, he has every reason to boost up that high, especially going to another system, and the most highly owned one on this site. Guess what? Kratos had tons of reason to be underrated last year (Snake/Sora), and his game sold another 600,000 copies since last year, Ryu is potentially overrated once again. There's nothing like that in this match. Snake got MGS3:Sub which didn't sell that great, and Leon got KH2 (lol). Just stop.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/21/2006 9:44:00 PM | message detail
Because it's impossible for Snake to boost?

Exactly how strong are you expecting Snake to be?
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/21/2006 9:44:00 PM | message detail
And since people seem to have completely forgotten about this match, since the freeze, Snake has only pulled in 1 update less than 60%, which was that 59% that was the result of him dropping off 100 votes while Squall stayed the same.

TuRtLe
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43/48 in the contest. My analysis topic here:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=30498383&page=1
MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/21/2006 9:44:04 PM | message detail
Far? Bro, when I ever say "far"? Winning is winning, even if it's by some stupidly low margin like 7 votes. All I know is, anyone who'd blindly take Ganon before TP comes out would get to hear me laugh at them for days on end. That match would be damn close, Squall just has the definitive edge for a couple weeks.

That's the only thing I can think when you go say something crazy like he can't do it before TP and might not after TP. That match would probably end up being projected to be something like 51/49 in favor of Squall, which by no means whatsoever guarantees him a victory. We have no clue where he stands right now; we just know that they two are likely to end up close to each other.

There's nothing remotely blind -- except maybe in your own crazy head -- about taking Ganon over Squall before TP. Squall's "edge" is the result of blowing out Tidus and KH2. There's nothing wrong with taking him based on that, but it's hardly something that gives him a clear edge in a match. He could very well end up weaker than Ganon after the KH2 boost.

We'll just have to wait and see.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/21/2006 9:44:41 PM | message detail
From transience Posted 10/22/2006 12:43:12 AM
Soul is right - Solid Snake is going to destroy the main bracket! Samus is so screwed

Why stop there?

Snake > Link > Cloud > Sephy > Mario > Smaus

>_>

TuRtLe
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43/48 in the contest. My analysis topic here:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=30498383&page=1
MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/21/2006 9:44:44 PM | message detail
So, Squall or Zelda?

A close match that Squall likely wins this year, but I think Zelda would take it next year.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/21/2006 9:45:27 PM | message detail
Snake is going to be cruising with 60% for a while. It's the day vote you need to keep an eye on. If Squall doesn't make much headway, I'll be a believer in the Snake boost.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/21/2006 9:45:52 PM | message detail
I wouldn't be too surprised if Snake does win this contest. He's the main casual pick to win the male bracket, and has bracket support in every single one of his matches. Add to the fact that he is the character of the year (since E3), and now he's got the Sony and Nintendo fans by his side (even if Brawl isn't out yet, many Nintendo fans are ****ing ecstatic in seeing a Sony character showing up in a Nintendo game), he could be stronger then ever.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/21/2006 9:46:37 PM | message detail
Man, if Snake really did boost, I can't see the day vote being too friendly for Squall.

Imagine, after SSB:B, Snake will be the master of day AND night >_>

TuRtLe
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http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=30498383&page=1
Cavalier Lowen | Posted 10/21/2006 9:46:52 PM | message detail
Well, if it is the Nintendo fans boosting Snake, then I have nothing to worry about. The KING OF SFF will slap him down like a fool.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/21/2006 9:47:03 PM | message detail
I wouldn't be too surprised if Snake does win this contest. He's the main casual pick to win the male bracket, and has bracket support in every single one of his matches. Add to the fact that he is the character of the year (since E3), and now he's got the Sony and Nintendo fans by his side (even if Brawl isn't out yet, many Nintendo fans are ****ing ecstatic in seeing a Sony character showing up in a Nintendo game), he could be stronger then ever.

You're right, Snake is turning around a 57.5% beatdown at the hands of Mario last year to victory.

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dragoontheguy | Posted 10/21/2006 9:48:03 PM | message detail
Snake seems to be dropping. I really don't see squall finishing with under 40%, but there's still going to be a big difference on what snake gets on him compared to what he's expected to get on him.
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/21/2006 9:48:03 PM | message detail
The KING OF SFF will slap him down like a fool.

He isn't going to be making it as far as the Battle Royale, silly!!

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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/21/2006 9:48:35 PM | message detail
Uh... no, that doesn't even make sense.

You brought up the fact that there's SFF in every match, no? I mean, what is the point of bringing up Mario and FF SFF then? I said that as well, but just used real matches that took place here.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/21/2006 9:48:58 PM | message detail
Snake..... SFF.....Mario!

I think I've now seen everything XD

TuRtLe
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43/48 in the contest. My analysis topic here:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=30498383&page=1
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/21/2006 9:49:42 PM | message detail
From dragoontheguy Posted 10/22/2006 12:48:03 AM
Snake seems to be dropping. I really don't see squall finishing with under 40%, but there's still going to be a big difference on what snake gets on him compared to what he's expected to get on him.

That last update was a Squall spike.

TuRtLe
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43/48 in the contest. My analysis topic here:
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/21/2006 9:49:46 PM | message detail
You brought up the fact that there's SFF in every match, no? I mean, what is the point of bringing up Mario and FF SFF then? I said that as well, but just used real matches that took place here.

SFF doesn't mean just an overlap of the fanbase. It means an overlap of two seperate fanbases where the general public decisively favor one over the other. That was my point.

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HaRRicH | Posted 10/21/2006 9:49:49 PM | message detail
I'm not taking Solid to win the main bracket or even the male's side...but if Mega Man doesn't beat Ryu with at least 60-40, then Solid has no reason to not be the favorite in their rematch.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/21/2006 9:50:48 PM | message detail
All this talk about funky SFF makes me wonder, does MM SFF Ryu?

TuRtLe
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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 10/21/2006 9:51:23 PM | message detail
Don't worry, he's the KING OF SFF. MM with 70%!
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LegendarySnake | Posted 10/21/2006 9:51:33 PM | message detail
Snake seems to be slowing down, finally.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 10/21/2006 9:51:52 PM | message detail
That last update was a Squall spike.

And your point is what exactly? Snakes highest percentage came fifteen minutes into the match, that isn't the first update his percentage lowered in. Not to mention the day vote, which won't be so friendly to snake.
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transience | Posted 10/21/2006 9:52:29 PM | message detail
Ryu doesn't go down so easily. I really don't think that would be a blowout.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/21/2006 9:52:31 PM | message detail
I've been wondering about MM/Ryu SFF for a while...he didn't seem to pull any on Leon back in 2005, but then again, Leon looks a helluva lot stronger looking at Bowser this year.

If MM beats down Ryu far worse than expected, I'll feel better about Leon doing so well on Bowser. Or maybe not, since Bowser beat Ryu last year...ick.
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LegendarySnake | Posted 10/21/2006 9:52:46 PM | message detail
Mega Man/Leon and SF/RE didn't seem to have any sort of SFF in it, so I wouldn't expect to see it from Mega Man/Ryu.
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The Snake has triumped over the Squallid.
Ed Bellis | Posted 10/21/2006 9:53:41 PM | message detail
Why would Mega Man and Ryu have SFF?
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/21/2006 9:54:09 PM | message detail
I have heard the term "SFF" way, way too much since this match started. <<

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LegendarySnake | Posted 10/21/2006 9:54:15 PM | message detail
They're both Capcom, it would seem.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/21/2006 9:54:15 PM | message detail
Same company factor, acronym'd to SFF!
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Gaddswell | Posted 10/21/2006 9:54:24 PM | message detail
Why would Mega Man and Ryu have SFF?

Capcom SFF
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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 10/21/2006 9:54:26 PM | message detail
Geez, I was kidding guys. >_>

Capcom SFF is a ridiculous idea, I'd take MM SFFing Nintendo over SFFing Capcom.
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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/21/2006 9:55:06 PM | message detail
Or hell, different fanbase factor, acronym'd to SFF!

God damn do I ever hate that term. It basically lost all meaning over the years.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/21/2006 9:55:28 PM | message detail
Hey, I heard people blame Snake/Soma on Konami SFF!
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