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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 397

Gooper Blooper | Posted 10/19/2006 3:10:52 AM | message detail
XD @ female villain contest

GET IT AWAY! BOO!
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face it cjay i have the high ground i have powend you - ertyu
greatone10 | Posted 10/19/2006 3:54:21 AM | message detail
I know that it would lead to lots of worthless fodder, but what about Grunty?
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Z1mZum made me look like Shadow Hearts in the Guru contest.
cyko | Posted 10/19/2006 4:13:21 AM | message detail
a female villain contest would be almost as bad as a "JUMP ... to conclusions!" mat. yes, is terrible idea.

i am, however, pleased to see that i was right about KOS-MOS doing well today! Xenosaga III was received MUCH better than Xenosaga II. and KOS-MOS is just plain hot in that match pic. ^_^

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i have officially been Z1mZum'D in the guru contest.
Vincent Valentine to win the Blast Division!!
Agent M | Posted 10/19/2006 5:37:47 AM | message detail
Kerrigan would make the final 4, lol.
Who Cares? | Posted 10/19/2006 5:47:54 AM | message detail
It's true that Akuma could be weaker than Bison, but I really doubt it. The one thing people seem to have against him is that he isn't in the original SF2 cast. But c'mon, lets not act like nobody's played the Alpha series or the crossover games with Marvel. (unless you got a better reason for Strider outperforming Scorpion against Link)

Casual SF players love Akuma, while I honestly can't remember that last I've seen someone use Bison. That's gotta count for something, right? I remember HM saying during the Villian's Contest that if Akuma was in Bison's spot, that division wouldn't even be up for debate, and I still agree with that!

This is part of the reason I wish Cammy or Sakura had made the field since they also came bit later in the series. Had they come in and done fairly well it could have erased that stigma about him not doing well because he's not part of the original SF2 cast
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Chun-Li's Road to the Female Final Four: vs Lara (October 21st) One down, two to go!
*Currently playing Tales of the Abyss*
TheCruelAngel | Posted 10/19/2006 5:50:28 AM | message detail
So, can FFXII's release date save Aeris? SAY NO PLZ SAY NO
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Warden: Talk! What is SeeD all about!?
Squall: ...Flower.
charmander6000 | Posted 10/19/2006 5:57:40 AM | message detail
If I counted right the game comes out right before the match (Tifa/Peach) so I wouldn't be surprised to see Tifa and Aeris overperform, but then again they aren't even in the game.
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Crimson Dragoon | Posted 10/19/2006 6:00:23 AM | message detail
Balthier and Ashe will probably be much better than Vaan will be. He's going to be like Tidus except worse off.

Vaan isn't horrible per se, but Balthier, Ashe, Fran, and Basch would all be better off I think. Oh, and Reks too, just because Reks is awesome like that.
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~FFDragon (at work !!)
FFDragoon, now with the blood of the mods stained to his armor and dripping from his lance.
TheCruelAngel | Posted 10/19/2006 6:11:41 AM | message detail
Balthier > All.
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Warden: Talk! What is SeeD all about!?
Squall: ...Flower.
Who Cares? | Posted 10/19/2006 7:39:42 AM | message detail
OH NOES! Ulti, check your site, NOW! :(
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Chun-Li's Road to the Female Final Four: vs Lara (October 21st) One down, two to go!
*Currently playing Tales of the Abyss*
XIII_rocks | Posted 10/19/2006 7:46:14 AM | message detail
Oh crap. Ulti's site is so screwed.
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http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=22242738 Sign plz
AC2K6 Score: 38/40 Today: Zelda
charmander6000 | Posted 10/19/2006 7:58:45 AM | message detail
What happened to it? I can't access it because my internet crashes.
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"I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush
TheSwizzle | Posted 10/19/2006 7:59:20 AM | message detail
Down for running out of allotted monthly bandwidth.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/19/2006 8:03:48 AM | message detail
lol freewebs

And I fail to see how FF12 releasing would give Aeris any noticeable advantage. 90% of the people that will have it on the first day were probably voting for Aeris anyway


TuRtLe
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/19/2006 8:07:37 AM | message detail
I think the reasoning for FFXII boosting Aeris is that people that normally don't come to GameFAQs come to find help on FFXII and see the poll and vote (more likely for Aeris).
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"I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush
Crimson Dragoon | Posted 10/19/2006 8:11:19 AM | message detail
And I fail to see how FF12 releasing would give Aeris any noticeable advantage. 90% of the people that will have it on the first day were probably voting for Aeris anyway

lol Mortal Kombat: Armageddon
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~FFDragon (at work !!)
FFDragoon, now with the blood of the mods stained to his armor and dripping from his lance.
Samurai7 | Posted 10/19/2006 8:12:07 AM | message detail

And I fail to see how FF12 releasing would give Aeris any noticeable advantage. 90% of the people that will have it on the first day were probably voting for Aeris anyway


The same 120k people dont come to the site everyday. I'd wager a majority of the voters are people that stop by casually for help on a game. If 12 just came out, FF fans that normally arn't here have more of a reason to visit. Its honestly the same logic that explains entire voter shifts.
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It's a sad fact that you had to derail this topic because you are afraid of the power of the PS3 -- cade
Who Cares? | Posted 10/19/2006 8:12:25 AM | message detail
At the very least KOS-MOS & Sub-Zero has shown what a well-timed release can do for you.
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Chun-Li's Road to the Female Final Four: vs Lara (October 21st) One down, two to go!
*Currently playing Tales of the Abyss*
TheCruelAngel | Posted 10/19/2006 8:15:02 AM | message detail
Mario > Cloud defines a well-timed release, baby! ;)
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Warden: Talk! What is SeeD all about!?
Squall: ...Flower.
voltch | Posted 10/19/2006 8:15:58 AM | message detail
but game releases>>>>>>>>>>>>>movie releases right?
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Z1mZum humiliated me to hell and back in the Best.Series.Ever contest.
PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/19/2006 8:48:56 AM | message detail
With all the talk of new characters to get into contests, we're talking about more CT and FF6 characters, yet no one thinks we should give FF8 a shot? For shame!

Oh, and you guys really need to learn how to just ignore BT, we've finally accomplished it with Steve, now lets move on.

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Cheer Up Emo Kids
King Bowser | Posted 10/19/2006 10:04:41 AM | message detail
And I fail to see how FF12 releasing would give Aeris any noticeable advantage. 90% of the people that will have it on the first day were probably voting for Aeris anyway

As do I.

The game doesn't even feature Aeris. Just because someone is coming to this site because they're playing FFXII wouldn't mean they have a desire, or likelihood, to vote for Aeris. She is entirely unrelated to the game.

When I consider how little Aeris got from the Square shift in 2003, I become even more skeptical that some game releasing on the date of the match is going to change much.

But, hey, people are always looking for things to help them in rough times! =p

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H__RR____H | Posted 10/19/2006 10:09:39 AM | message detail
I'll say this much: if Aeris wins, it'll be close and it'll be because of FF12. Right now Zelda's looking to blast her ass...and that's the only trick Aeris has got in her side right now.
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Damn, most of my dates involve mocking and/or beating up people like you and your bride-to-be, so I really have no advice --Horatio
KingBartz | Posted 10/19/2006 10:15:47 AM | message detail
Zelda with 57%, IMO. Aeris is just too weak.

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That was too close. You were almost a Jill sandwich.
SC2k6: 38/42 Today's pick: Aeris
LeonhartForever | Posted 10/19/2006 10:23:03 AM | message detail
New characters that take priority above all others for the next Character Battle:

Akuma
Serge
Seifer Almasy

That is all. The rest, I don't really care.

Okay, here are the projected stats going off of this match so far:

Samus Aran – 41.69%
Princess Zelda – 33.71%
Tifa Lockhart – 33.57%
Aeris Gainsborough – 32.81%
Rikku – 26.55%
KOS-MOS – 24.15%
Princess Peach – 23.75%
Jill Valentine – 23.74%
Kairi – 22.15%
Claire Redfield – 21.23%
Marle – 19.83%
Sheena Fujibayashi – 18.03%
The Boss – 17.09%
Ada Wong – 16.86%
Amy Rose – 16.70%
Ivy Valentine – 15.99%
Nidoran F – 15.13%
Terra Branford – 13.85%
Celes Chere – 13.30%
Lenneth Valkyrie – 13.28%
Sarah Kerrigan – 11.45%
Carmen Sandiego – 9.38%
Jade – 8.13%
Princess Daisy – 8.03%

LOL KOS-MOS > Peach! That would've been the best upset ever.

Either way, note that KOS-MOS is only .1% lower than her 2004 value and looking to match it before the end. And this is only about 1.25% above her 2003 value as well.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Character Battle V Championship:
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LeonhartForever | Posted 10/19/2006 10:24:22 AM | message detail
it'll be because of FF12

Even though I like Aeris better, I'm almost hoping she doesn't win now so people can't throw around such a pathetic excuse for why Zelda didn't win.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Character Battle V Championship:
Round 2: (1) Solid Snake
King Bowser | Posted 10/19/2006 10:30:46 AM | message detail
I really doubt the match will be close enough for something like that to matter, but you wouldn't believe the amount of people who would bring that up as a reason that Aeris was going to win.

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"Thank You Mario! But our Princess is in another castle!"
Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 10/19/2006 10:32:56 AM | message detail
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H__RR____H | Posted 10/19/2006 10:34:33 AM | message detail
Ah, I can't entirely agree with HM there -- I know I heard alot about the KH2 influx supposedly helping both Vincent and the Final Fantasy series...and, really, we don't know how much it really did help (though probably not much), but I think a FF game on the day of its release will help out a character from that series more than the KH sequel months ago will help out a character from a different-though-related series.

Just to see, I've got to ask: how much more are people anticipating FF12 more than people were anticipating, say, Super Mario Sunshine? I know FF > SMB here and SMS turned out to be a bust to many gamers, but since SMS also had some important linkage that same day AND SMS had Mario whereas FF12 doesn't have Aeris AND SMS was still highly hyped since it waas the Gamecube's first Mario game, I'm curious about what potential it even has to make a big swing for her. Zelda's looking absolutely killer right now and Aeris has hardly met most people's expectations, and I think even if you cut Terra and Aeris some slack Zelda's still looking to win as much as some projections made about how bad Cloud was supposed to beat Mario in 2k2. Aeris has to rely on a HUGE FF12-based turn-out that day, I believe.
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Damn, most of my dates involve mocking and/or beating up people like you and your bride-to-be, so I really have no advice --Horatio
consolefreak | Posted 10/19/2006 10:35:15 AM | message detail
Slightly disappointing for Aeris today. Although, Aeris 2k3 beats Xenosaga's strongest incarnation (2k4) with 63.06%. I'd certainly think this is the strongest KOS-MOS yet, and Aeris will probably finish a little above this value.

Either way, Zelda looked a lot more impressive. Hopefully Aeris can keep it respectable there.

New characters that take priority above all others for the next Character Battle:

Akuma
Serge
Seifer Almasy


Totally agreed on Seifer. And none of that Laguna crap. I can't believe he almost made it last year, as opposed to Seifer who was eliminated in the preliminary rounds.

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CB: 38/40. Today: Zelda vs. Terra. Tomorrow: KOS-MOS vs. Aeris.
Xuxon | Posted 10/19/2006 10:35:31 AM | message detail
Those are some... interesting stats, Leon. I'm pretty sure you're underrating Tifa and Zelda's 4-packs, and overrating Rikku's and possibly Peach's. An overrated Dream Division seems very hard to argue against; many suspected it, and every match with those characters has helped confirm it.
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Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 10/19/2006 10:36:49 AM | message detail
"Even though I like Aeris better, I'm almost hoping she doesn't win now so people can't throw around such a pathetic excuse for why Zelda didn't win."


Considering this sites raging hard on for anything Square related and how pretty much any Square game can effect the character strengths (see KH2), its not that bad of an excuse.

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H__RR____H | Posted 10/19/2006 10:37:40 AM | message detail
Even though I like Aeris better, I'm almost hoping she doesn't win now so people can't throw around such a pathetic excuse for why Zelda didn't win.

Only if it's close, I say. If Aeris takes it with 52+%, I'm not gonna say she didn't deserve to win, but we saw what SMS did for Mario and there's plenty of reason for SMS to help Mario that day more than FF12 to help Aeris that day...

...again, only if it's close, and I hope it doesn't come to that (especially in Aeris's favor, though I'm cool with both characters).
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Damn, most of my dates involve mocking and/or beating up people like you and your bride-to-be, so I really have no advice --Horatio
Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 10/19/2006 10:40:27 AM | message detail
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H__RR____H | Posted 10/19/2006 10:40:28 AM | message detail
Oh, and I'm down with nominating Akuma and somebody else from FF8 (Seifer sounds good, though I'd prefer somebody JUST from FF8)...and I would also like to mention Yoshimitsu, the character who won the favorite-Tekken poll and is featured in Soul Calibur, as well.
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Damn, most of my dates involve mocking and/or beating up people like you and your bride-to-be, so I really have no advice --Horatio
H__RR____H | Posted 10/19/2006 10:41:06 AM | message detail
You're not post #72, don't worry, I meant HM. =P
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Damn, most of my dates involve mocking and/or beating up people like you and your bride-to-be, so I really have no advice --Horatio
King Bowser | Posted 10/19/2006 10:45:20 AM | message detail
Slightly disappointing for Aeris today. Although, Aeris 2k3 beats Xenosaga's strongest incarnation (2k4) with 63.06%. I'd certainly think this is the strongest KOS-MOS yet, and Aeris will probably finish a little above this value.

I'm really not up for trusting KOS-MOS 2k4 when there is nothing wrong with KOS-MOS 2k5, which is her more recent strength. I would also suspect that she isn't stronger than KOS-MOS 2k4 at all. A new game is nice but when it sells only enough to appeal to pre-existing fans, I'm not banking on it doing much.

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King Bowser | Posted 10/19/2006 10:49:12 AM | message detail
Ah, I can't entirely agree with HM there -- I know I heard alot about the KH2 influx supposedly helping both Vincent and the Final Fantasy series...and, really, we don't know how much it really did help (though probably not much), but I think a FF game on the day of its release will help out a character from that series more than the KH sequel months ago will help out a character from a different-though-related series.

Anyone who has been saying that KH2 will help Vincent is just being silly. This is not what happened in 2003 and Vincent should get next to nothing as a result. The characters that have looked impressive were actually in KH2. Vincent winning against Ganondorf can be attributed to Dirge of Cerberus and Advent Children long before Kingdom Hearts II where he played no role.

Just to see, I've got to ask: how much more are people anticipating FF12 more than people were anticipating, say, Super Mario Sunshine?

FFXII isn't even anticipated by all Final Fantasy fans. Super Mario Sunshine was very hyped as the successor to Super Mario 64 and the first Mario game on the GCN. They aren't even remotely comparable when it comes to anticipation.

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consolefreak | Posted 10/19/2006 10:50:40 AM | message detail
I'm really not up for trusting KOS-MOS 2k4 when there is nothing wrong with KOS-MOS 2k5, which is her more recent strength. I would also suspect that she isn't stronger than KOS-MOS 2k4 at all. A new game is nice but when it sells only enough to appeal to pre-existing fans, I'm not banking on it doing much.

The Xenosaga series never sold a lot though, did it? It still has some strength. And I don't know about 2k5. Nothing's wrong with 2k4 either, and dropping after getting a new game just seems weird.

Anyway, I still see KOS-MOS 2k6, even going from her 2k5 value, to be around 24% on Base Link.
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CB: 38/40. Today: Zelda vs. Terra. Tomorrow: KOS-MOS vs. Aeris.
Kaxon | Posted 10/19/2006 10:52:30 AM | message detail
New characters that take priority above all others for the next Character Battle:

Akuma
Serge
Seifer Almasy


Serge's time has come and gone. He would have been a good new character in 2003 or maybe 2004. I doubt he'd be worth much now - I certainly wouldn't take him over Zidane.
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King Bowser | Posted 10/19/2006 10:54:26 AM | message detail
The Xenosaga series never sold a lot though, did it? It still has some strength. And I don't know about 2k5. Nothing's wrong with 2k4 either, and dropping after getting a new game just seems weird.

Xenosaga I sold nearly 500,000 copies and Xenosaga II sold about 200,000. Then Xenosaga III has sold 80,000 for its first month, which is nothing more than the usual cult RPG sales. The fact that she cannot match Luigi's performance on KOS-MOS doesn't exactly speak well for her at all. If she equals Luigi 2k5, that puts her right back at her 2002 level, which honestly wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Anyway, I still see KOS-MOS 2k6, even going from her 2k5 value, to be around 24% on Base Link.

I think you put way too much on that new game or really wanting Aeris to meet expectations. There's no way I believe she'd boost to that level.

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consolefreak | Posted 10/19/2006 11:01:33 AM | message detail
Xenosaga I sold nearly 500,000 copies and Xenosaga II sold about 200,000. Then Xenosaga III has sold 80,000 for its first month, which is nothing more than the usual cult RPG sales. The fact that she cannot match Luigi's performance on KOS-MOS doesn't exactly speak well for her at all. If she equals Luigi 2k5, that puts her right back at her 2002 level, which honestly wouldn't surprise me in the least.

Actually, Aeris attaining 66% would make her quite a bit stronger than her 2k2 value. she'd be 0.7% stronger + any boost from Xenosaga III.


I think you put way too much on that new game or really wanting Aeris to meet expectations. There's no way I believe she'd boost to that level.

No worries there. Aeris didn't meet my expectations, which were breaking 65%. KOS-MOS at 24% on base Link is a 2.7% boost from 2k5, which I can really see happening. She was pretty niche to begin with, and Xeonsaga III did get #4 here, for what it's worth. Also, 24% on base Link is still weaker than her 2k4 value, which is again, weird.

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CB: 38/40. Today: Zelda vs. Terra. Tomorrow: KOS-MOS vs. Aeris.
KingBartz | Posted 10/19/2006 11:06:46 AM | message detail
where can I find a link to the old topic that had the round one projected X-stats?
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That was too close. You were almost a Jill sandwich.
SC2k6: 38/42 Today's pick: Aeris
King Bowser | Posted 10/19/2006 11:06:53 AM | message detail
Actually, Aeris attaining 66% would make her quite a bit stronger than her 2k2 value. she'd be 0.7% stronger + any boost from Xenosaga III.

Aeris 2k2 is projected to get something like 65% on KOS-MOS 2k5. It's not exact, but it puts her around Luigi 2k5's level, which is nothing near even a constant Zelda.

But we'll have to see where she ends up at the end of this. This is terribly unimpressive no matter how you slice it though.

No worries there. Aeris didn't meet my expectations, which were breaking 65%. KOS-MOS at 24% on base Link is a 2.7% boost from 2k5, which I can really see happening. She was pretty niche to begin with, and Xeonsaga III did get #4 here, for what it's worth. Also, 24% on base Link is still weaker than her 2k4 value, which is again, weird.

A 2.7% boost from Xenosaga III? ...That's just...wrong. I would expect her to get a 1% - 1.5% boost from that game at best. She's not going to go up like that based on a third Xenosaga game that has sold far worse than any other game in the series before. I think you tend to overexaggerate boosts for characters just a bit too much.

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janembaman | Posted 10/19/2006 11:09:17 AM | message detail
http://freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/
Today was my first time in this site,and already dead?
ooo :(
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KingBartz | Posted 10/19/2006 11:09:55 AM | message detail
ah crap i forgot it died...
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That was too close. You were almost a Jill sandwich.
SC2k6: 38/42 Today's pick: Aeris
janembaman | Posted 10/19/2006 11:16:25 AM | message detail
Refresh my memory,any character from FFVIII who is not Squall even made it into the contests before?
Rinoa couldn't make it into the female contest FFS...so all the talk about Seifer is ridiculous
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/19/2006 11:17:14 AM | message detail
I'm pretty sure Squall's the only one.
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Now playing: Okami
consolefreak | Posted 10/19/2006 11:22:44 AM | message detail
Aeris 2k2 is projected to get something like 65% on KOS-MOS 2k5. It's not exact, but it puts her around Luigi 2k5's level, which is nothing near even a constant Zelda.

What does Zelda have to do with anything?

consolefreak
Posted 10/19/2006 7:35:15 PM


"Either way, Zelda looked a lot more impressive. Hopefully Aeris can keep it respectable there."

A 2.7% boost from Xenosaga III? ...That's just...wrong. I would expect her to get a 1% - 1.5% boost from that game at best. She's not going to go up like that based on a third Xenosaga game that has sold far worse than any other game in the series before. I think you tend to overexaggerate boosts for characters just a bit too much.

It doesn't have to be all XS III anyway. 24% at base Link is still under her 2k4 value.

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CB: 38/40. Today: Zelda vs. Terra. Tomorrow: KOS-MOS vs. Aeris.
Mac Arrowny | Posted 10/19/2006 11:25:29 AM | message detail
As I've said before, trusting KOS's 2k5 value is just ridiculous. It's about as accurate as Magus 2k3, Lara 2k4, or Vyse 2k5. Random over/underperformances DO happen...in fact, one just happened yesterday, but people seem quick to forget.
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