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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 396

King Bowser | Posted 10/18/2006 6:24:26 PM | message detail
Link v. Cloud/Sephiroth/Mario


That would be a fantastic poll post-TP. LINK WOULD SO WIN.

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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/18/2006 6:26:50 PM | message detail
Sprites can be good, but artwork has much more potential.
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KingBartz | Posted 10/18/2006 6:28:20 PM | message detail
On a different subject... a tag-team character contest. Do you think that could happen in the next few years?

If done correctly, that could be hard as hell to predict. Personally I think Cjay should go for it.

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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/18/2006 6:29:01 PM | message detail
Sprites are very good for certain characters, and that's why he probably waits until the later rounds when you have most of the older characters from the NES/SNES era and then have it. The only older character I can think of who it doesn't work for well is Snake.

I do agree that artwork has a lot more potential though.
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/18/2006 6:33:03 PM | message detail
From KingBartz Posted 10/18/2006 9:28:20 PM
On a different subject... a tag-team character contest. Do you think that could happen in the next few years?

If done correctly, that could be hard as hell to predict. Personally I think Cjay should go for it.


I proposed this in the offseason, along with triple threat polls.

Expect to have your head bitten off.


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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/18/2006 6:33:47 PM | message detail
Artwork eh?

Like melty MGS characters?

Or like Amano crap?


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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 6:35:08 PM | message detail
Artwork will always be more preferable (I would *hate* to see a contest final done in sprites), but sprites are a nice changeup from the usual. I'd probably like them in the second round or so, but that usually doesn't prove feasible given the amount of characters that don't have good sprites (or any sprites at all) early on. I still maintain MC making the third round last year was probably the breaking point for Ceej moving them to the Elite Eight, he's just a hopeless situation (although maybe not after Halo Wars).

If I were to have any complaint with the sprite round as it relates to Snake, it's not that it exists (because for us to get rid of the sprite round for one character would be pretty asinine), but that Ceej refuses to use anything but Snake's old-school sprites. Sure, models like these:

http://www.gamespot.com/ps/adventure/metalgearsolid/screenindex.html

aren't technically sprites, but they're certainly dated enough and it's not like we don't use the equivalent for FFVII characters and such.

From that perspective, Snake would probably be better off if his old games didn't exist *shrug*.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/18/2006 6:36:35 PM | message detail
Melty MGS pics rock.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 6:39:09 PM | message detail
Amano artwork is the only thing that really stands out as detrimental aside from your occasional oddity like Kerrigan, and even then it basically only applies to pre-FFVII FF characters, who are weak as all hell anyway.

MGS artwork is more or less fine, the complaints on it are overblown. Liquid looked fine in his matches, Ocelot looked decent enough (it was Pac-Man standing out that really killed him), and the only 'problem' with Snake is that Ceej seems to use the exact same MGS2 art shot every time with him.

Though moving on to Ac!d wasn't the right response. That *is* bad.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/18/2006 6:46:32 PM | message detail
For some reason I'm overly obsessed with wanting to see Zelda break 80% today.

C'mon Zelda!
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Aprosenf | Posted 10/18/2006 6:49:56 PM | message detail
I say that Cjay should ditch the idea of having a theme for every round of pics. Give sprites to characters when they look good, give polygons to others, and give good artwork when it's best. Who care's about consistency? If being inconsistent would give us many more good match pics, then why not? Kefka should get a sprite. Snake should not. Mega Man either way. And so forth for every other character.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 6:51:11 PM | message detail
...actually, what you just said sounded totally awesome. Forget everything I just argued for, all hail Aprosenf. <_<
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/18/2006 6:51:28 PM | message detail
Zelda with 80% would be awesome, but if she can at least get past what Samus got (79.78%), it'd be great. =p
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 10/18/2006 6:51:33 PM | message detail
From the other topic:

Don't bother with that, falcon has deluded himself to the point of thinking Yoshi > Dante is a lock.

Hey, it's not my fault if you all can't realize just how obvious that match is (in Yoshi's favor).

On a more serious note, as a Yoshi fan, I'm entitled to broadcast my delusions, but it isn't as if I actually believe them. I still think Yoshi has an excellent chance at the match, and I think there is evidence to support that. All the KH characters performing at or above expectations (and usually above, because Tingle (I don't really care that it's Tingle) is from the Legend of Zelda). Riku vs Frog might have been tainted with SFF, further making Riku's past and present values somewhat obscured.

Also, regarding Yoshi and Luigi, even if you want to believe Luigi is indirectly stronger (and even I"m sort of starting to believe that could be true), you're still looking at a 54.xx-45.xx result to overturn. Just how much stronger do you want Luigi to be than Yoshi indirectly, in the boundaries of that match? How radical do you think Nintendo fans are vs the rest of the crowd that the split only becomes noticeable in Nintendo/Nintendo matches and not in their other respective matches? Luigi could be stronger than Yoshi, but by how much? Enough for Dante to have an easy win, or a favorited win? I'm somewhat skeptical.

While I think it's more or less indisputable to say that Dante has the upper hand going in, a number of factors (and chiefly Luigi/Zero and the solid KH performances) have done enough to make Yoshi look just that much more formidable.
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therealmnm | Posted 10/18/2006 6:52:26 PM | message detail
You can't use that argument because you don't know how this is going to turn out in the end. If Zelda ends up exactly where she was last year, then -- SHOCK AND AWE -- Terra will appear to have taken a notable decline.

Frankly, I'm tired of trying to come up with an explanation for every single match that goes unexpectedly according to x-stats that are hardly concrete. Sure it works in general, but not in EVERY case. Zelda not showing much of an increase and thus Terra "dropping" wouldn't be the first time something like that happens. Yet people start scrambling to come up with explanations for the character dropping.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 10/18/2006 7:13:07 PM | message detail
Indeed. Anomalies happen all the time, like in Luigi/KOS-MOS last year. I'm hoping most people recognize that that was an anomaly?
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/18/2006 7:18:11 PM | message detail
I'm hoping most people recognize that that was an anomaly?

As do I. There's no way I'm buying KOS-MOS dropped like that. However, the only thing that points to it being legit is Ryu also dropping from 2004-2005.

Still, I expect it to end around a doubling, which is under the stats predict, and that's including a small KH boost for Aeris and XS3 boost for KOS-MOS.
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Zelda vs. Terra - Bracket: Zelda - Vote: Zelda (36/40)
Master Moltar | Posted 10/18/2006 7:22:43 PM | message detail
That also brings up...

Luigi vs. Aeris, WHO YA GOT?
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Zelda vs. Terra - Bracket: Zelda - Vote: Zelda (36/40)
Gaddswell | Posted 10/18/2006 7:23:22 PM | message detail
Luigi

He's on his way to becoming an elite!
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/18/2006 7:25:31 PM | message detail
KOS-MOS was weak because she hadn't gotten a release.

Expect her to "impress" on Aeris before falling completely off the map in future contests.


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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/18/2006 7:27:01 PM | message detail
Heh, if Luigi could beat Aeris, then Zelda would wipe the floor with her. I just find either of those scenarios hard to believe while most FF/KH characters are dealing out such impressive performances.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 7:27:09 PM | message detail
KOS-MOS was weak because she hadn't gotten a release.

She had JUST had Xenosaga II!

WHY IS EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAY WRONG???
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/18/2006 7:28:06 PM | message detail
Xenosaga II hurt KOS-MOS more than helped, I'll bet <_<
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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 10/18/2006 7:28:44 PM | message detail
Weege>Aeris. Zelda>Tifa>Weege>Aeris. Seems easy enough to me.
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/18/2006 7:40:47 PM | message detail
Triforce Division: Round 2 - Match 38 – (3)KOS-MOS vs. (2)Aeris Gainsborough

Moltar’s Analysis

KOS-MOS
Round 1 – 65.43% vs. Amy (34.57%)

KOS-MOS easily beats Amy with 65%.

Aeris
Round 1 – 69.78% vs. Marle (30.22%)

Marle holds up a bit better than I expected against Aeris.

Not much to say about this match, except it should hopefully clear up some of the Zelda/Aeris arguments. KOS-MOS isn’t really a match for Aeris. We should be able to get a good read on the blue-haired girl though, because that 2005 number just isn't right to me.

It doesn’t seem as if Aeris has lost a step since 2003 either. Only 70% on Marle may look unimpressive, but you have to remember she’s a Chrono Trigger character, and CT characters, no matter who, always get the CT backing. This match is predicted to end up over a doubling, but I’ll give KOS-MOS a little extra, because she’s cute.

Oh, and this analysis is dedicated to KOS-MOS’s Round 2 match pic, which is the best thing the female bracket has given us yet.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Aeris will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: KOS-MOS: 34% - Aeris: 66%



Ulti’s Analysis

(Nobody knows... the trouble I've seen...) -Phoenix Wright

How are my crewmates writing anything for these female matches? >_>

Prediction: Aeris with 66.65%



HM’s Analysis

KOS-MOS

Previous Matches:

KOS-MOS – 65.43% -- 67,068

Amy Rose – 34.57% -- 35,441

Aeris Gainsborough

Previous Matches:

Aeris Gainsborough – 69.78% -- 80,305

Marle – 30.22% -- 34,779

Last round, Aeris didn’t look too hot against Marle. It is tough to make any conclusions from the match, but it was certainly underperforming by the expectations set for her. Luckily, we’ll get some idea of where Aeris is looking with this match. KOS-MOS has been in these contests since 2003 and we have a good enough read on her to judge Aeris, assuming nothing wacky happens.

This match won’t be too interesting to see outside of the percentages. Personally, I’m hoping that Aeris really underperforms here so that we can get that Zelda bandwagon growing larger and larger. It’s a shame, but this begins another series of boring female match-ups until we hit the awesome male half.

Aitch Emm’s Bracket: Aeris Gainsborough

Aitch Emm’s Prediction: Aeris Gainsborough – 67% ; KOS-MOS – 33%

Aitch Emm’s Vote: Aeris Gainsborough



Yoblazer’s Analysis

While Aeris didn't look particularly great against the (admittedly unknown and untested) Marle last round, most of her Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts buddies are doing just swimmingly. At this point in the contest, Square has definitely done a good job in keeping up with Nintendo, and most might even argue that they've proven to be the more impressive force. Since Aeris is Square and had a role in KHII, she'll obviously receive some of these nice boostees. Based on the fantastic performances of her ilk, I still have confidence in Aeris's potential to be tough competition for Zelda (even though that's not necessarily what I want).

KOS-MOS, on the other hand, is completely dead to me. Seriously, Amy Rose? AMY ROSE?! What the hell is an Amy Rose and why couldn't you double it?! Your left boob should be able to 70/30 Amy Rose, gawdammit. Luigi scored exactly 66% on KOS-MOS last year. I expect a refreshed Aeris to outdo that. Prove me right, flower girl.

My prediction: Aeris def. KOS-MOS (69-31)



Lopen’s Analysis

Another match where I only have on… oh wait, I got both of these two. Oh yeah! I'm so good I amaze myself sometimes.
Master Moltar | Posted 10/18/2006 7:41:03 PM | message detail
This match? Well, I don't know. I asked KOS-MOS herself about her chances and she was all like "probability of victory is 0.04%". To which I replied, "really? I was thinking 0.0397%!". Oh, yeah, she got all indignant because I underestimated her, but she was impressed that my margin of error was so low for a "crude human approximation". Now it was my turn to get indignant. Crude… ha!

Okay, there was a point to all this… KOS-MOS doesn't have a chance here. I know it. She knows it. The crew knows it. We all know it! The number to look out for, here? 67%. Will Aeris outdo that? Will she look better than Luigi did? I'm thinking she will, but not by much. Hopefully, when all is said and done, KOS-MOS will look better than Marle in the X-Stats! Yes, yes… it'd be beautiful! *listens to boos as a result of continued unnecessary cheap shots*

Oh, fine, you're gonna boo? Well how bout this? KOS-MOS is gonna lose by less than Marle did… and… after the match, for good measure, she's gonna make Marle a consolation sandwich. A consolation sandwich that has a 99.68% chance to actually make Marle feel worse… yeahh!!!

Lopen's Prediction: Aeris with 68.24%



KH’s Analysis

lol x-stats history

KOS-MOS

Summer 2003 Contest
Extrapolated Strength --- 36th Place [22.22%]

Summer 2004 Contest
Extrapolated Strength --- 31st Place [22.60%]

Summer 2005 Contest
Extrapolated Strength --- 45th Place [19.52%]

KOS-MOS laid the lingering doubts that Luigi gave her to rest last round, absolutely destroying Amy Rose beyond any shadow of a doubt. Yeah, default votes didn't help Amy out too much here. Unfortunately, now she's up against a more well-known AND stronger character.

Aeris Gainsborough

Summer 2002 Contest
Extrapolated Strength --- 12th Place [30.62%]

Summer 2003 Contest
Extrapolated Strength --- 15th Place [32.81%]

Aeris didn't impress *too* much last round, though I'd attribute that more to CT's strength and the match picture than anything. Or maybe she's lost a step since 2003? Wouldn't be too shocking, but this match will help us draw some more conclusions (or, like other matches, prove to be completely useless).

Notable Releases Since Last Appearance

Aeris Gainsborough: Kingdom Hearts II (PS2)
KOS-MOS: Xenosaga III (PS2)

Upcoming Releases

Aeris Gainsborough: N/A
KOS-MOS: N/A

Aeris doesn't have much of an upper bound to look out for, but I won't feel very good at all about her over Zelda if she dips below a doubling (i.e. what Luigi got). KOS-MOS should be stronger than she was last year, but I don't think she'll be as strong as she was in 2003 and Aeris has all the intangibles.

Well, except the match picture. WTF is that thing

Karma Hunter's Vote: Aeris. It might change once I get a copy of Xenosaga THAT WON'T ****ING FREEZE DURING CUTSCENES

Karma Hunter's Krazy Prediction: Aeris Gainsborough with 70.84%.

Though it may just be tranny's insanity channeling through me, I'm going higher than I'm comfortable in spite of the match picture. Xenosaga is the spiritual successor to Xenogears, and it's pretty much accepted that FFVII gave that a SFF beatdown back in the Games Contest. If there's any significant carryover, it should default to FFVII.

Or this will make me look crazier than Lopen! HA HA

Upset Potential: 0%

I don't believe in TJF *that* much!
Master Moltar | Posted 10/18/2006 7:42:28 PM | message detail
Guest’s Analysis - KleenexTissue50

This match could end up one of two ways. Aeris completely slaughters KOS-MOS, further proving the fact that FF7 > most in the contests, or KOS-MOS does surprisingly well, and Aeris looks real bad going into her match with Zelda. Aeris will win this one for sure, but by how much is what’s in question here. Let’s look at the previous matches of these two, shall we?

KOS-MOS - 65.43% - 67068
Amy Rose - 34.57% - 35441

Aeris Gainsborough 69.78% - 80305
Marle 30.22% - 34779

Now, granted this doesn’t really tell us very much, as there’s almost no way to judge the strength of Marle or Amy. The lol x-stats say that 2003 Aeris beats 2005 KOS-MOS by about as much as KOS-MOS beat Amy this year. 2004’s KOS-MOS proves to be stronger by about 2%. All things accounted for, Aeris should get around 64%. However, Xenosaga 3 was released nary 2 months ago. Not only that, but it was very well received (far better than the abysmal Episode 2, which may explain KOS-MOS’s slight drop last year). It’s fairly safe to say that we’re looking at a stronger KOS-MOS than last year. And Aeris’ performance against Marle wasn’t exactly spectacular. Not bad, but not quite what it should be.

So where the hell am I going with this? I have no idea. I just thought it’d be fun to throw some x-stats around and sound like I know what I’m talking about. Summary: KOS-MOS will be stronger than expected and Aeris won’t do quite as well as she should.

Prediction: Aeris with 60.89%
Bracket: Aeris
Vote: KOS-MOS




Crew Consensus: The Crew is yet again pretty close on this match, while the Guest is...far away. Mid-high 60's, woo?
KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/18/2006 7:43:05 PM | message detail
What a rebel that guest is.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 7:43:08 PM | message detail
I swear if I end up horribly wrong tranny's getting the bulk of my wrath!

My e-wrath, as it is!!!
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therealmnm | Posted 10/18/2006 7:43:32 PM | message detail
He's on his way to becoming an elite!

For some reason, I don't think Luigi will end up as strong as people are expecting based on his match with Zero.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 7:45:52 PM | message detail
For some reason, I don't think Luigi will end up as strong as people are expecting based on his match with Zero.

He may actually look that strong if he faces off against Sonic...but I'm having a tough time seeing Kirby do worse against Luigi than he did against Bowser. And if he does any better Luigi's in for the fight of his life.
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wavedash101 | Posted 10/18/2006 7:52:16 PM | message detail
XSII hurt KOS-MOS. That game killed the series for tons of people. Even now, when people ask me about XS, I say play 1, skip 2, and read the summary in three to catch up. Lot less time wasted using the abysmal combat system and hearing the horrid VA. 3 is godly and 1 is good. 2 is probably the main reason the series was cut short.

If you must see the cutscenes, go to youtube. (Cause Albedo is the awesome)

2 = phission mailed
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 7:54:16 PM | message detail
Post-DMC2 Dante beats Pre-DMC2 Dante with 55.69% of the vote. Bad game or not, I'm not buying it as reason for a decrease.
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wavedash101 | Posted 10/18/2006 7:59:10 PM | message detail
XSII killed the series and sold like crap.

DMC 2 just went Greatest Hits and didnt kill the series and didnt lose a huge chunk of the fanbase.

Big difference!
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/18/2006 8:00:53 PM | message detail
Post-DMC2 Dante beats Pre-DMC2 Dante with 55.69% of the vote. Bad game or not, I'm not buying it as reason for a decrease.

The difference is DMC 2 is average at worst. Xenosaga II made me want to curb stomp kittens. Still I don't think it made her decrease, though it wouldn't shock me. Popping that game into my PS2 felt like someone pierced my stomach with a shiv.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 8:03:16 PM | message detail
DMC2 just going GH now after all this time is ridiculous, and there's no way you're arguing that it didn't lose and alienate a HUGE chunk of the fanbase. I only picked up DMC3 recently after much deliberation after the total travesty that was DMC2.

Vincent had DoC, which was reviled and certainly averages worse in reviews than XSII. He certainly doesn't look like it hurt him, he looks to gain if anything.

I'm not buying XSII being the reason for a decrease. The belief is simply wrong.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/18/2006 8:06:03 PM | message detail
I don't believe it either, but XSII is on a whole 'nother level than DMC2.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/18/2006 8:16:40 PM | message detail
The guy that made today's stats topic is a TOTAL BADASS RIGHT THERE.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 8:18:20 PM | message detail
That does it, I'm making a stats topic! BEFORE POST 300, EVEN!!!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 8:19:16 PM | message detail
Or, not, too lazy.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/18/2006 8:20:40 PM | message detail
From Karma Hunter Posted 10/18/2006 10:27:09 PM
KOS-MOS was weak because she hadn't gotten a release.

She had JUST had Xenosaga II!

WHY IS EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAY WRONG???


And from what I've heard XS2 sucked even more than the first one. When your entire fanbase probably voted for you beforehand, I can see a good chunk abandoning her after a bad game.

Dante and DMC2 is different, because it likely exposed Dante to alot of new people.


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PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/18/2006 8:21:38 PM | message detail

And from what I've heard XS2 sucked even more than the first one. When your entire fanbase probably voted for you beforehand, I can see a good chunk abandoning her after a bad game.

Dante and DMC2 is different, because it likely exposed Dante to alot of new people.


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therealmnm | Posted 10/18/2006 8:22:27 PM | message detail
Just because they didn't like the game doesn't mean that they automatically like KOS-MOS herself less. That doesn't make any sense.
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/18/2006 8:26:10 PM | message detail
Actually, I can see part of her fanbase "abandoning" her because she was facing "It's freakin'" Luigi. And I wouldn't be surprised if the same had happened to Zero. Yay overperformances because of status against not-as-iconic characters!
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KOS-MOS vs. Aeris - Bracket: Aeris - Vote: KOS-MOS (38/42)
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/18/2006 8:31:27 PM | message detail
Round 2

Triforce Divisional Semifinals- Match 2

KOS-MOS (3) vs Aeris (2)


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2509
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2510

KOS-MOS does fairly well in the first round while Aeris did as expected against Marle

This could be an interesting match, as it will give us our first semi-reliable read on Aeris since her last appearance in 2k3. It will also give us a response to Zelda quadding Terra.

Tifa 68.28% 69,106
KOS-MOS 31.72% 32,111
TOTAL VOTES 101,217


Since then, FF7 AC and KH2 have come out, which would make up for Aeris likely being slightly weaker than Tifa. But KOS-MOS has had Xenosaga 3 within the last month as well. Frankly, I believe that the KH2 boost >>>>>> whatever KOSy gets. I can see Aeris potentially breaking 70% in this match, although I think she'll fall just short of it.

TuRtLe's Prediction: Aeris with 69.32%
TuRtLe's Bracket: Aeris
TuRtLe's Vote: KOS-MOS (lol aeris)


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wavedash101 | Posted 10/18/2006 8:43:11 PM | message detail
KOS-MOS had particular reason to drop. Her voice actor chanced, much to the dismay of many fans, and she wasnt as prominent as she was in the first game. She was number two behind Shion in the first but Shion, Albedo, and Jr all had bigger roles. She also had a disliked design change. There was plenty of reason for her to drop.

Plus Luigi was helped by the Nintendo boost, was going up against a much less recognizable character, and if the stats and his victory over Zero tell us anything, Luigi is finally getting some support, support that started in 2k5. He also had SM 64 DS released and PiT and MK DS on the way (I cant remember if they had already released, PiT might have) I dont even know why people thought KOS-MOS had a chance in that match anyways, boost or not.

Not to mention stars in his game, has sold more copies, and who cares if DMC2 went GH just now. DMC only went GH back in April, and I know that game sold well for it to be GHs a lot sooner. XSII didnt sell crap. DMC2 sold enough to warrant a rerelease.

Plus she was stuck in very bad position. 2k4 saw the release of Halo 2, MP2, GTA:SA, MGS:SE, KOTOR II, PM: TTYD, Half-Life 2 and CS:Source. Her game comes out after the holiday season. So now XSII is stuck with bad reviews and tons of other more lauded games that have been selling for months. People are gonna finish those games first. Plus it doesnt help that RE4 is released to tons of praise round the same time and that the contest happens 8 or so months later with new games coming out for another holiday season.

KOS-MOS was screwed over in 2k5. She dropped, plain and simple.

Woo! I'm done. Rant over.
*grabs a slushie and sits in beanbag chair*
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 8:46:35 PM | message detail
And yet, all that ranting didn't do a single thing to provide conclusive evidence toward your actual argument. This is crap. KOS-MOS may have dropped, but it wasn't due to XSII. You don't need to know a single damn thing about the game to know that (and I certainly don't!).
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*kills self*
Commit it to memory.
UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/18/2006 8:49:02 PM | message detail
TOTAL badass.

~*ST*~
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 10/18/2006 8:50:27 PM | message detail
10 minutes 'til Aeris time.

I hope she ends up looking weaker than Luigi ^_^
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/18/2006 8:51:15 PM | message detail
Let's go KOS-MOS!
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