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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 396
| King Bowser | Posted 10/18/2006 5:33:04 PM | message detail |
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You're lucky Samus is gonna pistol whip that ***** down before she
gets a chance to make you look like a fool... again. Seriously, stick
to one Nintendo character per contest, this is the 3rd bandwagon you've
jumped on now. 0/2 buddy !! Pfft! When Zelda is netting 46% on Samus we'll see who is looking foolish, Mr. Zelda Isn't Going To Match Dante's Performance! --- "Thank You Mario! But our Princess is in another castle!" |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 5:33:05 PM | message detail |
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Given the circumstances and the competition, that's damn near unheard of. Sephiroth/Liquid, Tifa/Vyse, Samus/Frog, Mega Man/Tidus, Squall/Tidus, Luigi/KOS-MOS, Mega Man/Yoshi, Squall/Luigi, Cloud/Sonic, Bowser/Ryu, Snake/Sora, Vincent/Kerrigan, Sora/Hayabusa, Mario/Zero, Samus/Lara Croft, Samus/Sam Fisher, and probably all of the other matches anything KH was related to in 2003. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/18/2006 5:34:32 PM | message detail |
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Pfft! When Zelda is netting 46% on Samus we'll see who is looking foolish, Mr. Zelda Isn't Going To Match Dante's Performance! Hardcore SNES SFF slipped my mind. Jeeze. --- Portugal. The Man Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 5:35:24 PM | message detail |
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This isn't SNES SFF. This is Zelda being...well, Zelda. Do people
really think Terra does significantly better than this a year ago? --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| Draco1214 | Posted 10/18/2006 5:36:44 PM | message detail |
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| Draco1214 | Posted 10/18/2006 5:37:30 PM | message detail |
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Also, Vivi/Zelda seems appropriate to mention since that result caused
people to think she stood a chance against Solid Snake (man, Snake had
a huge target on him last year). --- Character Battle V Score - 35/40 points Current Prediction - Zelda vs. Terra Branford |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/18/2006 5:37:43 PM | message detail |
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No... that's kind of the point of labeling it as an overperformance aka
SFF. I don't know why people have such a hard time calling a big
overperformance SFF, it obviously is, otherwise every match would go
exactly as the stats say. Either way, Zelda overperformance, Terra
didn't drop off this badly, and Dante isn't getting his ass handed to
him by midcarders. --- Portugal. The Man Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| BDawg | Posted 10/18/2006 5:38:39 PM | message detail |
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Has Terra bottomed out yet or is this actually going to the quad? --- Should I start running now? |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 10/18/2006 5:39:07 PM | message detail |
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Hardcore SNES SFF slipped my mind. Jeeze. I sincerely doubt that Zelda gets a large amount of her strength from the SNES. Even SSBM was probably bigger for her than LttP. This isn't SNES SFF. This is Zelda being...well, Zelda. Do people really think Terra does significantly better than this a year ago? Zelda's hardly the fodder killer you think she is. She made Lara look way better than Samus did, and she failed to get 90% on Carmen. --- 99% of people just make up statistics on the spot. If you are part of the 1%, post this in your sig |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 5:39:48 PM | message detail |
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I'm not calling this as SFF because I feel Zelda would kill, say, Vyse
or Laharl much worse than expected. There's no possible way you could
think that there's a disproportionate overlap with Zelda and those
games there, yet I feel it would happen. I also don't think Ganondorf would be doing this to Terra. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 5:40:46 PM | message detail |
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Zelda's hardly the fodder killer you think she is. She made Lara look way better than Samus did That match is bunk, don't bring it up. , and she failed to get 90% on Carmen. ...how many 90% blowouts have we EVER seen, again? --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| MegatokyoEd | Posted 10/18/2006 5:41:32 PM | message detail |
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I feel that Zelda overperforms with the TP picture. It's most likely why she killed Vivi so bad. --- Demyx > Axel Z1mZum owned me in the Guru Contest with his mad skills! |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/18/2006 5:41:42 PM | message detail |
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I wasn't really serious with SNES SFF... but I still call it SFF one way or the other, significant overperformance = SFF to me. --- Portugal. The Man Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 10/18/2006 5:41:53 PM | message detail |
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Sephiroth/Liquid, Tifa/Vyse, Samus/Frog, Mega Man/Tidus,
Squall/Tidus, Luigi/KOS-MOS, Mega Man/Yoshi, Squall/Luigi, Cloud/Sonic,
Bowser/Ryu, Snake/Sora, Vincent/Kerrigan, Sora/Hayabusa, Mario/Zero,
Samus/Lara Croft, Samus/Sam Fisher, and probably all of the other
matches anything KH was related to in 2003. The only one that really supports your point (if you even have one) is Samus/Frog. All the others either have some SFF strewn about, are matches in which at least one character had no contest history, or are matches in which one character actually did experience a noticeable boost/decline. --- The Little Mermaid 2-Disc Platinum Edition DVD Coming October 3, 2006 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 5:46:32 PM | message detail |
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The only one that really supports your point (if you even have one)
is Samus/Frog. All the others either have some SFF strewn about, are
matches in which at least one character had no contest history, or are
matches in which one character actually did experience a noticeable
boost/decline. Mega Man/Tidus is a match where both characters had two years of data on them, and no possible SFF. Mega still did better than Link was projected to. You can't use that argument because you don't know how this is going to turn out in the end. If Zelda ends up exactly where she was last year, then -- SHOCK AND AWE -- Terra will appear to have taken a notable decline. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/18/2006 5:48:15 PM | message detail |
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The only one that really supports your point (if you even have one)
is Samus/Frog. All the others either have some SFF strewn about, are
matches in which at least one character had no contest history, or are
matches in which one character actually did experience a noticeable
boost/decline. Uh... well of course they're going to take a noticeable decline if there's an overperformance, that's kind of what it means. --- Portugal. The Man Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 5:50:12 PM | message detail |
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But, I mean...why did we tag Tifa/Vyse with the SFF label? Because it
looks weird for Vyse to be below Laharl after the 60-40 win last time,
right? But in theory, it's a Playstation RPG character against a
Dreamcast/Gamecube RPG character. At that point you're just banking on
the fabled 'RPG SFF' to explain things. That doesn't cut it for me. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/18/2006 5:52:08 PM | message detail |
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Which is just as legit as saying SNES SFF to me. Either way,
FF7/LoZ/Mario characters are going to be able to get SFF (weird
overperformances) on anyone, it just depends on if there opponent can't
stand up to it or not. I don't think there should be such a distinction
between overperformance and SFF. --- Portugal. The Man Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 10/18/2006 5:52:10 PM | message detail |
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Confusion. --- The Little Mermaid 2-Disc Platinum Edition DVD Coming October 3, 2006 |
| Masato_Tanaka | Posted 10/18/2006 5:53:37 PM | message detail |
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This is one thing about these stat topics that always annoyed me. Everything mentioning SFF gets blown out of proportion. ~Hiko~ --- I'm a 6' 238 lb Gladiator! Dagan Bomb For The WIN! |
| Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 10/18/2006 5:55:54 PM | message detail |
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Yeah this match reminds me of Tifa/Vyse. I still think Zelda won't have
much trouble with Aeris but I'm waiting until Zelda gets a real
opponent (Aeris) to make any calls. --- Let the snow fall deep, the rain drive down, and the wind buffet my cloak. I care not for I've a road worth walking ~ Drizzt Do'Urden |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/18/2006 5:56:15 PM | message detail |
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God... you'd think people wouldn't get so goddamn touchy over an acronym. --- Portugal. The Man Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 10/18/2006 5:56:47 PM | message detail |
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Anyway, I still think Zelda has easily had the two most impressive
performances in the female bracket, and maybe even the most impressive
performances in the entire contest. The only contender so far is Luigi,
and I'd consider what Zelda's done so far to be more impressive. Besides... people are so quick to point out the Tifa/Vyse thing. After that match, there were claims of Tifa being the favorite against Sonic and Mega Man. There are no such claims right now. Most people simply feel she should go in as the heavy favorite against Aeris, and really, she should. --- The Little Mermaid 2-Disc Platinum Edition DVD Coming October 3, 2006 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 5:57:12 PM | message detail |
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All I'm saying is that Zelda can and may well have boosted, but this
isn't concrete evidence of anything. Vincent was projected to win the
contest on the assumption that Kerrigan = 2004 Gordon Freeman. Tifa was
flat-out expected to make the Final Four by half the stat regulars
here. And amazingly, those projections actually aren't as farfetched as
the ones that people are making now -- because we didn't have contest
data on them, it was possible that was the true strength of those
characters from the beginning. We know who Zelda is. She's very strong and can hold her own against any near-elite, but she's not an elite. Not yet, anyway. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/18/2006 5:57:46 PM | message detail |
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Besides... people are so quick to point out the Tifa/Vyse thing.
After that match, there were claims of Tifa being the favorite against
Sonic and Mega Man. There are no such claims right now. Most people
simply feel she should go in as the heavy favorite against Aeris, and
really, she should. I've heard some pretty ridiculous %'s on Samus! --- Portugal. The Man Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 5:58:42 PM | message detail |
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After that match, there were claims of Tifa being the favorite against Sonic and Mega Man. There are no such claims right now. I'm hearing 45-46% on Samus bantered around a LOT, and at face value it's practically the same thing. Plus, you'd hear a lot more people thinking she could challenge Samus if this was Zelda's first contest... --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| Lopen | Posted 10/18/2006 5:59:09 PM | message detail |
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If Crono or Mega Man were in this half of the bracket I bet people
would be ranting about a Zelda upset, too. But Samus is never one to
get underestimated in these topics. --- Squall: "Hi, like Cloud from the last game, I am full of angst and am named after weather." - Slow Beef |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/18/2006 5:59:57 PM | message detail |
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If Crono or Mega Man were in this half of the bracket I bet people
would be ranting about a Zelda upset, too. But Samus is never one to
get underestimated in these topics. Huh? There's way too many people cool with Samus' x-stat value, that's some serious underestimation right there. --- Portugal. The Man Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 6:00:48 PM | message detail |
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Huh? There's way too many people cool with Samus' x-stat value, that's some serious underestimation right there. Unless I did the math wrong, she's only stronger than Mario by a touch by your standards. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/18/2006 6:01:54 PM | message detail |
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2.5%, but close enough. --- Portugal. The Man Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| King Bowser | Posted 10/18/2006 6:01:54 PM | message detail |
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Yeah this match reminds me of Tifa/Vyse. I still think Zelda won't
have much trouble with Aeris but I'm waiting until Zelda gets a real
opponent (Aeris) to make any calls. The comparisons to that match are a big strange. I suppose it's just because it's easy to attach to something recent where a character overperformed, but Tifa/Vyse could have something explainable in it whereas there's nothing really here to explain this one, especially since it's a Nintendo/Square match. But, of course, there is obviously something going on in this match; it's certainly not all Zelda here. I do think, though, that this is as good an indication as any that she has boosted. Perhaps it's not concrete, but it's enough for me to believe that she'll at least make it to Samus. Zelda hasn't shown even the slightest weakness in her two matches so far. I don't think anyone is calling for her to really beat Samus, which is why I'm not sure why there is much arguing going on here. I've always expected Zelda to get much more than she's projected to against Samus, but even this isn't really convincing anyone that she's going to beat her. What it does do is put her as the rightful favorite against Aeris. --- "Thank You Mario! But our Princess is in another castle!" |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/18/2006 6:02:22 PM | message detail |
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oh and 2.5 is more like 2.3 >_> --- Portugal. The Man Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 10/18/2006 6:02:25 PM | message detail |
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I'm hearing 45-46% on Samus bantered around a LOT, and at face value it's practically the same thing. *shrugs* I've been saying that wouldn't surprise me since about a month before the contest. I think HM and a few others have been thinking that for a while also. Seriously, have that many new people been saying this today? --- The Little Mermaid 2-Disc Platinum Edition DVD Coming October 3, 2006 |
| King Bowser | Posted 10/18/2006 6:04:17 PM | message detail |
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I'm hearing 45-46% on Samus bantered around a LOT, and at face value
it's practically the same thing. Plus, you'd hear a lot more people
thinking she could challenge Samus if this was Zelda's first contest... If Zelda boosts some and then manages to get some of that good ol' rSFF, I really don't think it's anywhere near the same thing as saying that she's going to beat her or that she's going to win the main bracket or whatever. Zelda overperforming has been in the cards from the beginning, I think. You would almost expect her to do that regardless of any performances because of who she is and who she's up against. --- "Thank You Mario! But our Princess is in another castle!" |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/18/2006 6:04:41 PM | message detail |
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The comparisons to that match are a big strange. I suppose it's just
because it's easy to attach to something recent where a character
overperformed, but Tifa/Vyse could have something explainable in it
whereas there's nothing really here to explain this one, especially
since it's a Nintendo/Square match. Nintendo/Square doesn't matter, people seem to want to ignore that FF6 was on a Nintendo system. You may as well say SMRPG isn't going to have SFF with Zelda, because it's a Square/Nintendo match. --- Portugal. The Man Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 6:05:25 PM | message detail |
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2.5%, but close enough. I'd thought you'd given up that Samus = Seph 2k4 nonsense a while back! Going by Samus not SFFing Ganon and a negligible Vincent boost she's not much stronger at all. *checks* Actually, she may be a tad weaker. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| King Bowser | Posted 10/18/2006 6:06:35 PM | message detail |
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Nintendo/Square doesn't matter, people seem to want to ignore that
FF6 was on a Nintendo system. You may as well say SMRPG isn't going to
have SFF with Zelda, because it's a Square/Nintendo match. ...Sure. If you ignore the fact that SMRPG is Super Mario RPG, which has absolutely nothing to do with Square other than being the person who made the game. Terra is from Final Fantasy. You could say this is a Zelda/Final Fantasy match where Zelda is getting some "SFF." I'm afraid that sounds far too strange for me to even consider...but people seem to apply SFF to everything these days. --- "Thank You Mario! But our Princess is in another castle!" |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 6:06:55 PM | message detail |
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FF6 may have been on a Nintendo system, but the fanbases seem pretty
distinct. The voting trends in the LttP/FFVI match (not to mention that
match was reasonably close) basically proves that. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/18/2006 6:09:32 PM | message detail |
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Comparing this to Tifa/Vyse is confusing. Vyse was a one hit wonder, so it makes sense that his strength would drop off significantly. FF6 has been around since 1993(?), so I highly doubt Terra would significantly decrease from last year, let alone her AND Kerrigan decreasing by roughly the same amount. In all those other matches, people had great reason to drop/boost. Tidus has been losing popularity every year since his crappy game plagued the FF series. "One hit wonder" characters are known to just completely fall off the map (lol claire). There is no reason for Terra to have dropped significantly enough to make Zelda's apparant boost seem reasonable. The only explanation is a boost + TP Zelda overperformance. I'll call it right now, if Zelda gets a TP pic, she's beating Aeris with 55% at the least TuRtLe ~~~ "Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy"- trancer1 |
| King Bowser | Posted 10/18/2006 6:10:59 PM | message detail |
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I'll call it right now, if Zelda gets a TP pic, she's beating Aeris with 55% at the least I would think the next round would be sprites. She'll still beat Aeris comfortably, I think, but the TP picture probably won't be there. --- "Thank You Mario! But our Princess is in another castle!" |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 6:11:23 PM | message detail |
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Vyse was a one hit wonder, so it makes sense that his strength would drop off significantly. He stayed constant for two years. -_- There's a reason why people made him the ****ing fodder line. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/18/2006 6:11:24 PM | message detail |
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It's the same reason why I think Crono and Kefka are two of the most
consistant characters in the contest. They've both been around for 10+
years, and neither are looking to have a new release ever. If they
haven't fallen off the map after 10+ years, they aren't going to be any
time soon. TuRtLe ~~~ "Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy"- trancer1 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 6:12:37 PM | message detail |
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I would think the next round would be sprites. Yeah, I wish. =( --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/18/2006 6:12:48 PM | message detail |
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Unless the sprite round this year is in the elite 8 like last year. TuRtLe ~~~ "Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy"- trancer1 |
| shadow8021 | Posted 10/18/2006 6:14:33 PM | message detail |
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lol if the Elite 8 was sprites, then kiss Snake's chances at beating Mega Man goodbye. --- Character Battle Score: 38/40 Today's Pick: Zelda |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 10/18/2006 6:18:28 PM | message detail |
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I hope CJayC just does away with the stupidass sprite round. They look ugly and lead to tons of whining. JUST STOP IT. --- The Little Mermaid 2-Disc Platinum Edition DVD Coming October 3, 2006 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/18/2006 6:19:15 PM | message detail |
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I think that's why KH wishes next round was sprites. On the plus side, Zelda gets her sprite in an unloseable match against the winner of Aeon. TuRtLe ~~~ "Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy"- trancer1 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 6:20:54 PM | message detail |
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Meh, sprites are cool, Ceej just goes about everything the wrong way.
Case in point that awful Resisprite Evil debacle (which I guarantee
we'd have never heard the end of if RE had lost). Jill had a fantastic
sprite, but unfortunately it was from MvC2! Oh, perish the thought,
that's not representative of the actual series! And so forth. Ease up, Ceej. Just make the match pictures look good for a change. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/18/2006 6:22:32 PM | message detail |
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Just a thought, but Snake being in SSBM gives him a sprite that doesn't look like a turd >_> Clinkeroth is so screwed TuRtLe ~~~ "Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy"- trancer1 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 6:23:46 PM | message detail |
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That's not a sprite, that's a polygon model. Snake has plenty of good
in-game models, it's the picture he got in his much-beloved Sora
smashing. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |