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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 396

YoAriel33 | Posted 10/18/2006 2:11:13 PM | message detail
My god...
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/18/2006 2:24:42 PM | message detail
Dante is the favorite, but no one should underestimate a decently strong character who has only seen SFF losses. His win over Riku looked weak at the time, but after Axel broke 30% against Mega Man (what the hell), it looks much, much better.

I'm not trying to say Yoshi has no chance, but to say that this contest so far has made people more confident in Yoshi is ludicrous. Every thing we've seen so far points to good things for Dante.

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Lopen | Posted 10/18/2006 2:47:49 PM | message detail
So, I haven't read any of the last 300ish posts, but has anyone considered that this could be "SNES SFF"?

... what? I'm serious! Zelda's outdoing Dante because she shares the same system with Terra, nothing more! Terra's Pac-Manning out! (There are no true Terra fans out there... ha!)
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transience | Posted 10/18/2006 2:49:16 PM | message detail
with MC exposed, it's all about Dante now!
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/18/2006 2:51:35 PM | message detail
The KOS-MOS/Aeris picture points to good things for Squall.

Why, you ask? If Squall gets a KH picture, consider Snake finished.
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wavedash101 | Posted 10/18/2006 2:52:12 PM | message detail
LMAO Zelda beats Dante this year and obliterates him in 2k7!

Sry Lopen...
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Osfan | Posted 10/18/2006 2:53:34 PM | message detail
Just guess I'll make my analysis of the day since everything is dead now anyway. Yeah Peach won cool I was rooting for her and after my Peach > Luigi comment (that I in no WAY support now besides my own personal opinion) it would have been terrible to see her lose. Todays a joke and anyone calling for 40% on KoS is kidding themselves. My vote to KoS buts its FF7 the most over voted game of all time plus its RPG against RPG. Bout the only prayer Kos has of 40 is that huge pic advantage and even that i doubt can salvage this. As for the Yoshi Dante discussion i got Yoshi winning but I dont like Yoshi so im not gonna argue for him! :-P Go Dante!
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/18/2006 3:02:06 PM | message detail
Terra, stop sucking so badly with the day vote!
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LeonhartForever | Posted 10/18/2006 3:07:08 PM | message detail
Anybody who attempts to nominate FFVI characters for next year's Nomination Rally will be shot immediately.
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therealmnm | Posted 10/18/2006 3:10:57 PM | message detail
Well, any more Final Fantasy VI rallies would mean that the GOOD characters would be getting in. And I would hate to see them get obliterate as well. Better to stop them from getting in altogether and saving face!
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therealmnm | Posted 10/18/2006 3:11:30 PM | message detail
*obliterated
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Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 10/18/2006 3:19:45 PM | message detail
Edgar for 2007! *Gets shot*

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therealmnm | Posted 10/18/2006 3:20:56 PM | message detail
Edgar for 2007! *Gets shot*

Noooooooo! Edgar is the most awesome of them all. No way I'm letting him get in this contest and bomb to all hell!
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transience | Posted 10/18/2006 3:21:59 PM | message detail
Mog is the only one I'd even consider nominating. if he's lucky, he might be able to do better than Kefka - the fodder line. woo hoo!!!!
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 10/18/2006 3:22:48 PM | message detail
Seriously, why the hell did people decide on Terra and Celes? Talk about suckitude. The main character agument doesn't even really apply to them either.
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transience | Posted 10/18/2006 3:25:23 PM | message detail
I don't think Terra even had an organized nomination drive.. it just kinda happened. Celes happened because of the female bracket.
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Lopen | Posted 10/18/2006 3:26:09 PM | message detail
I'd have pulled for no fewer than 6 other cast members before them. I really don't know what people were thinking.

Well, Celes was kinda just a default thing I guess. But you rallier folk failed big time by pulling for Terra last year!
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Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 10/18/2006 3:32:53 PM | message detail
As much as I love Terra and Celes, I understand the fact that they aren't really that likable. Honestly, I wouldn't mind seeing how someone like Locke or Shadow would do. Put them as an 8 seed against someone like Samus. They'd lose easily but I think they'd still be better fodder than someone like Agent 47.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 10/18/2006 3:34:31 PM | message detail
Shadow is the fan-favorite but he's not present in the game enough to do well.

Locke/Edgar/Sabin are the best choices. I could see an argument for Mog because of the mascot factor
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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/18/2006 3:40:28 PM | message detail
You guys aren't serious, right?
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/18/2006 3:45:30 PM | message detail
Holy crap, go Zelda.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 3:47:08 PM | message detail
No way I see anyone doing better than Shadow, and that's because Shadow is cool and happens to be the only photogenic FFVI cast member. I doubt you'd even be getting that much help from the power of FFVI, I feel a Hayabusa thing going on with him.

But that's just for the sake of argument. NO MORE FFVI CHARACTERS. Let's focus now on getting Raiden in, who could at least potentially crack the fodder line and perhaps even have some real strength of his own once MGS4 comes out.

(and I don't even like Raiden, really!)
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RydiaOfTheMist | Posted 10/18/2006 3:47:19 PM | message detail
You guys seem to be forgetting that to get these two great FF6 performers in... I was snubbed now isn't that the greatest tragedy of all. In all seriousness Rydia I think could have done just as well I mean she is popular and always scores well in the board RPG character battles. If more people knew of the mighty Rydia awsomeness then she would be a contender for sure!
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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/18/2006 3:48:17 PM | message detail
I wonder how easy a time Ada Wong would have with Terra...
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Lopen | Posted 10/18/2006 3:49:48 PM | message detail
KH is doing my job for me.

Yes... nominate Raiden... you will!

(Pity nominate him, too, he was one of the rally drive's only failures! This is a crime!)
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therealmnm | Posted 10/18/2006 3:52:55 PM | message detail
No way I see anyone doing better than Shadow, and that's because Shadow is cool and happens to be the only photogenic FFVI cast member. I doubt you'd even be getting that much help from the power of FFVI, I feel a Hayabusa thing going on with him.

I don't know... I don't expect much out of Shadow either. Dark Knight Cecil still absolutely bombed. I know it wasn't Cecil as he is most known, but it was a more "photogenic" look. Certainly almost as "photogenic" as Shadow. I know Shadow comes from a more popular game and is more well known, but I still don't think it makes that much of a difference. Amano art just sucks. It isn't attractive at all.
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transience | Posted 10/18/2006 3:56:02 PM | message detail
Shadow would do as well as Celes in my mind. Locke could do better than Terra, but I doubt he breaches the fodder line.

Mog could very well bomb as well, but.. look at Vivi. no one's even close to him unless you think Crono SFFed Zidane, and even then it's probably not that close. if Mog has even half of Vivi's "mascot factor", then he'll be the strongest FF6 character.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/18/2006 3:57:16 PM | message detail
Shadow is the fan-favorite but he's not present in the game enough to do well.

Oh, like Vincent...and Vincent's optional, too.


Locke/Edgar/Sabin are the best choices. I could see an argument for Mog because of the mascot factor

Yeah, but then which one do you pick from there? My preference goes to Locke, but I figure Sabin or Mog would be a bit stronger, and -- I hate it, too -- Shadow has enough reason to be the best, maybe even better than Kefka.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 3:57:53 PM | message detail
I couldn't tell WTF I was looking at when I saw Cecil's contest picture. Shadow is more or less recognizable no matter what picture you give him...he's a ninja. Not too much you need aside from that.

But yeah, that wouldn't stop him from being weak...just the combination of being far more popular amongst the fanbase and having a much cooler design would keep him from being as weak as Terra and Celes. The only other real candidate that could compete with him is Mog...

...ugh, I still can't believe I'm discussing this. For a change of subject, remember to also nominate Nero! The man who will soon be known as the Raiden of Devil May Cry!
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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/18/2006 3:58:30 PM | message detail
*Googles Mog*

Oh, for sure. Even I know he'll be the strongest. He's even got Kingdom Hearts on his side, for Pete's sake!
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therealmnm | Posted 10/18/2006 3:59:38 PM | message detail

Mog could very well bomb as well, but.. look at Vivi. no one's even close to him unless you think Crono SFFed Zidane, and even then it's probably not that close. if Mog has even half of Vivi's "mascot factor", then he'll be the strongest FF6 character.


Yeah, but Vivi's "mascot factor" comes from something that people actually LIKE! Mog's "mascot factor" is just there. People probably will acknowledge him as a symbol of FF, but that breaks down if he goes up against a character people actually really like. Vivi has the "black mages kick ass" stigma to him, as well as being an awesome character himself. I don't see many people going "Moogles are awesome".
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Lopen | Posted 10/18/2006 3:59:45 PM | message detail
I don't think Vivi is all "mascot factor", though. It's partially because he's the Auron of his game. Mog doesn't really have that, though I'd still take him over Celes or Terra. My money's on Edgar or Sabin being the strongest, though. In the game almost all the time, overpowered special abilities so they're likely to be in the party most of the time. Likable.

Er... not to imply Vivi's some kinda badass... you know what I mean!
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outback | Posted 10/18/2006 4:00:56 PM | message detail
If FF6 had a true "lead" character, they would do decently in the contest.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/18/2006 4:01:10 PM | message detail
I don't see many people going "Moogles are awesome."

But...they are. ;_;
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BDawg | Posted 10/18/2006 4:01:52 PM | message detail
Here's a question for you. Do you think next year one of the FFIII characters on the DS shows up? Supposedly since it's totally remade they actually have character development (maybe?) or at least they aren't onion kid clones. I mean hell Issac and Felix made it just off of Golden Sun so I can see them getting nominated and becoming the latest crop of old school Square fodder.
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transience | Posted 10/18/2006 4:02:07 PM | message detail
People probably will acknowledge him as a symbol of FF

and that's enough to be stronger than FF6 characters!

I love Vivi, I think he's awesome. I can acknowledge that Vivi is miles ahead of every other FF9 character though - the gap between Vivi and Zidane is way bigger than the difference between Auron and Tidus. and Zidane is probably more likable than Tidus is.
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cyko | Posted 10/18/2006 4:02:30 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter and tranny are on the same train of thought i've ridden for the past THREE years about Shadow and Mog!! they are the only two characters from FF6 that i feel have a chance to be more than slightly better than Terra or Celes.

also, for tomorrow's match - is it just me or does KOS-MOS have one friggin' hot match pic? she out-hots Aeris by several thousand miles in their pic. i doubt KOS-MOS's increased hotness will make a substantial difference, but her well-received new game should. even though Zelda, Samus, and Tifa over-performed in their matches, i don't think Aeris will. Tifa was expected to get 68.28% against KOS-MOS last year and i think Aeris will have trouble matching that score.

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transience | Posted 10/18/2006 4:03:34 PM | message detail
If FF6 had a true "lead" character, they would do decently in the contest.

no, I don't think so.. you're already looking at side characters in CT being stronger than the strongest FF6 character by far. I don't think giving one "main character" status will suddenly boost them to midcarder. they're definitely not going to be elites.

FF6 just doesn't have good characters.. I think we should just accept that and let it go for whatever reason. hopefully we never see another one again.
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transience | Posted 10/18/2006 4:04:23 PM | message detail
hey, I nominated Mog in 2k4 and 2k5 and have preached him as the strongest FF6 rep since before the 2k5 contest!
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therealmnm | Posted 10/18/2006 4:05:01 PM | message detail
Cecil:
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy/images/thumb/4/41/Cecil_Dknight.jpg/180px-Cecil_Dknight.jpg

Shadow:
http://www.youthink.com/quiz_images/quiz1014outcome6.jpg

I don't think Shadow is that much of an improvement. Both are pretty fugly to the casual voter who doesn't know either. If the other character is even slightly well known, I see them getting a bunch of default votes.
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cyko | Posted 10/18/2006 4:05:12 PM | message detail
Here's a question for you. Do you think next year one of the FFIII characters on the DS shows up? Supposedly since it's totally remade they actually have character development (maybe?) or at least they aren't onion kid clones. I mean hell Issac and Felix made it just off of Golden Sun so I can see them getting nominated and becoming the latest crop of old school Square fodder.

if they have individual identities and either look cool or have a cool personality, i could definitely see at least one make it in next year. whether or not they would rank above fodder remains to be seen.

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HeroicTronBonne | Posted 10/18/2006 4:11:05 PM | message detail
No offense, but ya don't ask man. You just do it and hope no one makes a big deal out of it >_>
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outback | Posted 10/18/2006 4:14:26 PM | message detail
FF6 just doesn't have good characters.. I think we should just accept that and let it go for whatever reason. hopefully we never see another one again.

Well, yeah. I think a big part of this is that they never really take the time to flesh out one main character and instead all we ever know is bits and pieces, leading the characters not to have much depth to them.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 10/18/2006 4:18:53 PM | message detail
Oh, like Vincent...and Vincent's optional, too.


Bah. That's different. FF7 is like the worshipped "I PLAYED THAT GAME FIFTY TIMES DUDE" game that people know stuff about.

FF6 would be more like the "Yah, I think I played that game or something. It's Final Fantasy so it's cool"

You need to use a character that

A: Is memorable in the first 5 hours
B: Isn't lame

Clearly, Edgar/Locke/Sabin are the only options!
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King Bowser | Posted 10/18/2006 4:30:45 PM | message detail
Haha! Awesome!

Zelda's been pulling in over 80% of the vote for a loooong time now.

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greatone10 | Posted 10/18/2006 4:33:58 PM | message detail
Personally, I think we should rally for a character who actually has potential to be stronger than a fodder line candidate instead of finding more FF6 characters to bomb.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 10/18/2006 4:39:37 PM | message detail
For something to bomb I think you technically have to have expectations first.

An FF6 character bombing is impossible in that case >_>
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greatone10 | Posted 10/18/2006 4:40:53 PM | message detail
Funny, I remember Celes > The Boss was a popular upset pick this year, and FF6 still couldn't even break 40%.
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