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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 396

BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/18/2006 10:08:52 PM | message detail
From Janus5000 Posted 10/19/2006 1:07:16 AM
We can replace some of the fodderific crap like Adventure and DDR

Can we replace you instead? =(


I mean fodderific crap in terms of contest strength, although I'd say that definition applies to DDR <_<


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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/18/2006 10:11:26 PM | message detail
TP vs. FF12 WHO YA GOT

Twilight Princess, easily.

I think TP is the only game that has a legitimate shot at being with the "elite" games from the last contest.

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HaRRicH | Posted 10/18/2006 10:15:18 PM | message detail
Heh, just curious -- this is usually too hypothetical for my tastes...

...if LoZ:TP was facing LoZ:MM the day LoZ:TP was being released, do you still take LoZ:TP? How about LoZ:WW? The original LoZ? ...LoZ:LttP?!
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NewLib | Posted 10/18/2006 10:15:28 PM | message detail
Really the question in character battles has been can we get 64 good characters, the question in a new game contest is how can we get ONLY 64 games.

Just talking about the games which have come out since Spring 2004 which need to be included in the next contest:

Final Fantasy XII
Twilight Princess
Metroid Prime 3: Corruption
Super Mario Galaxy (if out)
Metal Gear Solid 3 (4 wont be out until Winter 2007)
Halo 2/3
Resident Evil 4
Devil May Cry 3
New Sonic Game
God of War
World of Warcraft
Kingdom Hearts 2
Pokemon DS (I forgot what they were called)
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
Dragon Quest VIII

I could go on. Wow.
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Xuxon | Posted 10/18/2006 10:16:28 PM | message detail
"how the hell did G/S/C get in instead of R/B/Y?"

People who are bigger fans of the series prefer it. The casual pokemon players that wouldn't nominate either are more likely to vote in favor of RBY, though.


Just felt the need to correct something here. It may be true that the biggest fans of the series prefer GSC, but this has been discussed before, and the most likely cause was the flawed nomination system. There was a seperate entry for Gameboy and Gameboy Color to nominate for; GSC is on Gameboy Color, while RBY is on the original Gameboy. If you think about it, GSC didn't have too much to compete with, while RBY had Tetris among other things stealing its nominations.
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NewLib | Posted 10/18/2006 10:16:51 PM | message detail
Harrich, I take it over OOT.

I have never seen a game where so many people already just assume its going to be one of the greatest games ever made BEFORE ITS RELEASED.
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/18/2006 10:16:59 PM | message detail
...if LoZ:TP was facing LoZ:MM the day LoZ:TP was being released, do you still take LoZ:TP? How about LoZ:WW? The original LoZ?

All of the above!!

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Draco1214 | Posted 10/18/2006 10:17:36 PM | message detail
A nice Games Contest division (not including games that haven't been released yet) because making an entire games contest bracket is a headache:

Flood Division:
(1) Halo 2
(16) Starcraft
(8) Xenogears
(9) Tales of Symphonia
(5) Sonic the Hedgehog II
(12) Super Mario RPG
(4) World of Warcraft
(13) Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
(6) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
(11) Diablo II
(3) Resident Evil 4
(14) Earthbound
(7) Goldeneye
(10) Super Metroid
(2) Metal Gear Solid
(15) Suikoden II
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Janus5000 | Posted 10/18/2006 10:18:10 PM | message detail
I figured that was why you mentioned it in the same sentence as Adventure.

...Uh... It's underrated by FFVII/MGS and would actually break 70% on half the field!
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Who Cares? | Posted 10/18/2006 10:18:41 PM | message detail
(8) Xenogears
(9) Tales of Symphonia


Heh, I actually had a mock bracket I made for myself a year ago with that match.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/18/2006 10:20:17 PM | message detail
(1) Halo 2
(9) Tales of Symphonia
(5) Sonic the Hedgehog II
(4) World of Warcraft
(6) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
(3) Resident Evil 4
(10) Super Metroid
(2) Metal Gear Solid

(1) Halo 2
(4) World of Warcraft
(3) Resident Evil 4
(2) Metal Gear Solid

(4) World of Warcraft
(2) Metal Gear Solid

(2) Metal Gear Solid


That's all kinds of messed up.
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Xuxon | Posted 10/18/2006 10:20:45 PM | message detail
Wow only 2 gimme matches. Without giving it much thought...

(1) Halo 2
(9) Tales of Symphonia
(12) Super Mario RPG
(4) World of Warcraft
(6) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
(3) Resident Evil 4
(10) Super Metroid
(2) Metal Gear Solid

(1) Halo 2
(4) World of Warcraft
(3) Resident Evil 4
(2) Metal Gear Solid

(1) Halo 2
(2) Metal Gear Solid

(2) Metal Gear Solid
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/18/2006 10:23:45 PM | message detail
First off, good grief is this insane.

(1) Halo 2
(8) Xenogears

(12) Super Mario RPG
(13) Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

(11) Diablo II
(3) Resident Evil 4

(10) Super Metroid
(2) Metal Gear Solid


(1) Halo 2
(12) Super Mario RPG

(3) Resident Evil 4
(2) Metal Gear Solid

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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 10/18/2006 10:24:46 PM | message detail
(1) Halo 2
(9) Tales of Symphonia
(12) Super Mario RPG
(4) World of Warcraft
(6) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
(3) Resident Evil 4
(7) Goldeneye
(2) Metal Gear Solid

(1) Halo 2
(4) World of Warcraft
(3) Resident Evil 4
(2) Metal Gear Solid


(4) World of Warcraft
(3) Resident Evil 4

(4) World of Warcraft

World of Warcraft would be like Starcraft last time!
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NewLib | Posted 10/18/2006 10:27:30 PM | message detail
Flood Division:
(1) Halo 2
(16) Starcraft
(8) Xenogears
(9) Tales of Symphonia
(5) Sonic the Hedgehog II
(12) Super Mario RPG
(4) World of Warcraft
(13) Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
(6) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
(11) Diablo II
(3) Resident Evil 4
(14) Earthbound
(7) Goldeneye
(10) Super Metroid
(2) Metal Gear Solid
(15) Suikoden II

(1) Halo 2
(9) Tales of Symphonia
(12) Super Mario RPG
(4) World of Warcraft barely
(6) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
(3) Resident Evil IV
(7) Goldeneye
(2) Metal Gear Solid

(1) Halo 2
(4) Super Mario RPG
(6) Resident Evil IV
(2) Metal Gear Solid

(1) Halo 2
(6) Resident Evil 4

(6) Resident Evil 4

I might be really overrating RE4, but I cant convince myself it isnt the third strongest Gamecube title behiind SSB:M and Wind Waker and I take both of those to easily win this division.

I think a better alignment using these same games would be.
(1) Halo 2
(16) Starcraft
(8) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
(9) World of Warcraft
(4) Earthbound
(13) Suikoden II
(5) Tales of Symphonia
(12) Castlevania: Symphonia of the Night
(3) Resident Evil IV
(14) Xenogears
(6) Metal Gear Solid
(11) Goldeneye
(7) Super Mario RPG
(10) Diablo II
(2) Super Metroid
(15) Sonic the Hedgehog II
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Draco1214 | Posted 10/18/2006 10:28:07 PM | message detail
Without putting much thought:

(1) Halo 2
(9) Tales of Symphonia
(12) Super Mario RPG
(4) World of Warcraft
(6) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
(3) Resident Evil 4
(7) Goldeneye
(2) Metal Gear Solid

(1) Halo 2
(4) World of Warcraft
(3) Resident Evil 4
(2) Metal Gear Solid

(4) World of Warcraft
(2) Metal Gear Solid

Winner: (2) Metal Gear Solid
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/18/2006 10:28:28 PM | message detail
(8) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
(9) World of Warcraft

Oh you sneaky bastard.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 10/18/2006 10:30:45 PM | message detail
Alt bracket:

(1) Halo 2
(9) World of Warcraft
(4) Earthbound
(12) Castlevania: Symphonia of the Night
(3) Resident Evil IV
(6) Metal Gear Solid
(7) Super Mario RPG
(2) Super Metroid

(9) World of Warcraft
(12) Castlevania: Symphonia of the Night
(3) Resident Evil IV
(7) Super Mario RPG

(9) World of Warcraft
(3) Resident Evil IV


(9) World of Warcraft
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Gaddswell | Posted 10/18/2006 10:31:32 PM | message detail
Wow, so quickly does the stats topic changes topics.

To sidetrack from the current "Best Game Ever" bracket talk a bit, the list of characters that the stats topic has debated, discussed or would like to nominate for the next character contest from all of the fairly recent CS&D topics (going back as far as the Rikku vs Kairi topic) is as follows:

Robo (Chrono Trigger)
Ayla (Chrono Trigger)
Lucca (Crono Trigger)
Kairi (Kingdom Hearts)
Shadow (FFVI)
Sabin (FFVI)
Mog (FFVI)
Edgar (FFVI)
Locke (FFVI)
Yuffie (FFVII)
Barret (FFVII)
Cid (FFVII)
Fox McCloud (Star Fox)
Citan (Xenogears)
Fei (Xenogears)
Mewtwo (Pokemon)

I think I'm missing a few others, but that's generally it. Funny how around 100 posts in the last stats topic were spent talking about which FFVI character would get over the fodder line.

So, who is likely going to have a nomination rally and who would the majority of the stats topic support?
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transience | Posted 10/18/2006 10:32:19 PM | message detail
I made a games bracket a year or so ago.. HRRH and I both had fun making killer brackets. I probably have it laying around somewhere if people want to see it.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/18/2006 10:32:28 PM | message detail
Gilgamesh
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wavedash101 | Posted 10/18/2006 10:33:45 PM | message detail
Put down Tron Bonne cause you know Hiko is gonna rally for her...
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 10/18/2006 10:33:53 PM | message detail
Mewtwo!

And Fox!

And Mog!

Maybe Barret!

Maybe Robo!


Post SSBB Mewtwo will be a Noble Nine breaker!
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MyWorldIsZelda | Posted 10/18/2006 10:34:02 PM | message detail
I look at that list of characters and weep at the thought of that being all there is left. That just reinforces that we need another Games Contest!

And post away Tran Man!

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 10/18/2006 10:34:21 PM | message detail
Johnny Sasaki, too.
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wavedash101 | Posted 10/18/2006 10:34:51 PM | message detail
Edgeworth
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Draco1214 | Posted 10/18/2006 10:34:52 PM | message detail
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Who Cares? | Posted 10/18/2006 10:35:04 PM | message detail
Only Fox & Mewtwo should be getting any love from that list. Throw in Akuma as well.
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MegaReincarnate | Posted 10/18/2006 10:36:22 PM | message detail
Only characters I see on that list worth nominating contest-wise are Cid and Mewtwo.

I do think nominating a more well-known Pokemon like Bulbasaur or Charizard would have more success than Mewtwo, though.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 10/18/2006 10:36:25 PM | message detail
Please, no more Final Fantasy 6 characters. PLEASE.
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Draco1214 | Posted 10/18/2006 10:37:32 PM | message detail
For NewLib's bracket:

(1) Halo 2
(9) World of Warcraft
(4) Earthbound
(12) Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
(6) Metal Gear Solid
(3) Resident Evil 4
(7) Super Mario RPG
(2) Super Metroid

(9) World of Warcraft
(12) Castlevania: Symphony of the Night
(6) Metal Gear Solid
(2) Super Metroid

(9) World of Warcraft
(6) Metal Gear Solid

Winner: (6) Metal Gear Solid
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transience | Posted 10/18/2006 10:38:02 PM | message detail
rallying for character #43853 from CT, FF6 or FF7 is pointless. unless there's a reason to see another character from the same game, I have no desire to see them or nominate them. if they get a new release or a cameo or whatever, then that's a different story. but really, who cares to see Robo? he's not going to deviate much from Marle or Frog (and would probably end up lower than them). FF6... well, we already went over that one, and we've got five FF7 characters that need to make every contest already.

as for an old bracket.. I think this is the most recent one that I made:

1

1 - Mario 3
8 - Dragon Quest VIII

4 - Oblivion
5 - Castlevania: SOTN

3 - Goldeneye 007
6 - Fable

2 - Kingdom Hearts 2
7 - Contra

2

1 - OOT
8 - Gran Turismo 3

4 - Devil May Cry
5 - Mega Man X

3 - Final Fantasy X
6 - Mario Kart DS

2 - Starcraft
7 - Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow

3

1 - Halo 2
8 - Diablo 2

4 - Sonic 3 & Knuckles
5 - Mega Man 3

3 - Super Mario World
6 - Devil May Cry 3

2 - FF8
7 - Soul Calibur

4

1 - FF6
8 - Kirby Superstar

4 - Super Metroid
5 - World of Warcraft

3 - Metal Gear Solid
6 - Pac-Man

2 - Mario 64
7 - Tales of Symphonia

5

1 - GTA:SA
8 - Super Smash Brothers

4 - Final Fantasy 9
5 - Soul Calibur 2

3 - Zelda: MM
6 - Metal Gear Solid 2

2 - RE4
7 - Skies of Arcadia

6

1 - LTTP
8 - Katamari Damacy

4 - Half-Life 2
5 - GTA: VC

3 - Pokemon Red
6 - Tetris

2 - Metal Gear Solid 3
7 - Sonic 2

7

1 - CT
8 - Donkey Kong Country 2

4 - Starfox 64
5 - Chrono Cross

3 - Halo
6 - Zelda 1

2 - Metroid Prime
7 - Super Mario RPG


8

1 - SSBM
8 - Xenosaga Episode I

4 - Final Fantasy Tactics
5 - God of War

3 - Kingdom Hearts
6 - Mario Kart 64

2 - Mario 1
7 - Street Fighter 2
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MegaReincarnate | Posted 10/18/2006 10:38:39 PM | message detail
Oh, Mog may not be a bad choice, either. Otherwise, yeah, FF6 characters would just be humiliating.

And I think we've tapped the well dry with CT characters, though since we've already got 4/7 PCs in we might as well focus on getting one in for each of the next three contests to round it out.
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wavedash101 | Posted 10/18/2006 10:38:42 PM | message detail
How is Mewtwo less known than any pokemon not named Pikachu?

Halo ther SSBM and the first pokemon movie. How ya doing awesomely powerful psychic pokemon who rips other pokemon to shreads.
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/18/2006 10:38:48 PM | message detail
Flood Division:

(16) Starcraft

(8) Xenogears

(12) Super Mario RPG

(4) World of Warcraft

(11) Diablo II

(3) Resident Evil 4

Hmm......(7) Goldeneye


(2) Metal Gear Solid

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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 10/18/2006 10:39:24 PM | message detail
Really, though, we should be looking into other characters:

This is who we need in next contest:

Mewtwo
Fox
Wario
Mog
Rocket (DQ Heroes: Rocket Slime)
FFXII character (Vaan, I guess, but he looks so lame ;_;)
Midna (That's the TP character, right?)
Gato (He has metal joints)
Knuckles
Bomberman
Pac-Man

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Ed Bellis | Posted 10/18/2006 10:40:03 PM | message detail
4 - Devil May Cry
5 - Mega Man X


I insist that this would have been an awesome match in the series contest... at least before DMC turded out. >_>
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Xuxon | Posted 10/18/2006 10:40:08 PM | message detail
If anyone caught the fodder-less 64 character bracket topic, it gave me an idea. Would probably never happen, but imagine this: for a side contest, the board gets together and picks out the 32 closest in strength characters for a bracket, probably low midcarders. Then we watch the most unpredictable contest ever! And follow it up with a games contest in the summer!
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wavedash101 | Posted 10/18/2006 10:40:16 PM | message detail
OMG Rocket!? You insta win!

lol at Gato
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Who Cares? | Posted 10/18/2006 10:40:19 PM | message detail
That list lacks Akuma...
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Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 10/18/2006 10:41:02 PM | message detail
For some reason I get the feeling Akuma will be the next Wario.

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Ed Bellis | Posted 10/18/2006 10:41:32 PM | message detail
I would like to see Magus return as well, if only to make some more interesting matches. Same with Shadow and Liquid Snake. They're so variable and their "true values" are rather up in the air, which could be interesting.

Also, after this year I hope we all realize how much Jill Valentine adds to any bracket!
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MegaReincarnate | Posted 10/18/2006 10:41:43 PM | message detail
I mention Mog because of his Moogle-esque status getting him votes more than his being in FF6. But then I doubt he'll even be above the fodder line considering how the most popular FF games here don't focus on the Moogles. It may still be worth nominating him, though.

And I've got the ultimate Spring contest: The Female Villain Character Battle.

Is that even possible? I'm sure we'd get characters Tanner would blow out.
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wavedash101 | Posted 10/18/2006 10:42:09 PM | message detail
Knux and Vivi should come back too...I miss those guyz.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 10/18/2006 10:42:10 PM | message detail
Actually, yeah, Akuma could work too.

And obviously we need to get Sub-Zero back in.

Maybe the guy from Gears of War too... that's going to be popular, right? Or better yet... PROJECT H.A.M.M.E.R. GUY!
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Who Cares? | Posted 10/18/2006 10:42:12 PM | message detail
Even so, he deserves a shot more than another freakin' FF6 or CT character
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Gaddswell | Posted 10/18/2006 10:43:08 PM | message detail
I guess this is what my bracket would look like.

(1) Halo 2
(16) Starcraft

(8) Xenogears
(9) Tales of Symphonia

(5) Sonic the Hedgehog II
(12) Super Mario RPG

(4) World of Warcraft
(13) Castlevania: Symphony of the Night

(6) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
(11) Diablo II

(3) Resident Evil 4
(14) Earthbound

(7) Goldeneye
(10) Super Metroid

(2) Metal Gear Solid
(15) Suikoden II

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(1) Halo 2
(9) Tales of Symphonia

(12) Super Mario RPG
(4) World of Warcraft

(6) Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
(3) Resident Evil 4

(10) Super Metroid
(2) Metal Gear Solid

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(1) Halo 2
(4) World of Warcraft

(3) Resident Evil 4
(2) Metal Gear Solid

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(4) World of Warcraft
(2) Metal Gear Solid

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(4) World of Warcraft

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Ed Bellis | Posted 10/18/2006 10:43:31 PM | message detail
And I've got the ultimate Spring contest: The Female Villain Character Battle.

Any situation where Kerrigan has the potential to win a match must never see the light of day.
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Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 10/18/2006 10:43:39 PM | message detail
Ha Aeris is losing percentage.

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Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 10/18/2006 10:43:47 PM | message detail
"This.... is checkmate"
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