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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 393

Gaddswell | Posted 10/17/2006 3:55:29 PM | message detail
Wow... 3 stats topics got filled up with talks about a match in the female bracket? I'm impressed.

Although I can see why. These two are going exactly 50-50 after Jill gained a 1400 vote lead from a Peach lead of 400. This match sure lived up to the hype.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/17/2006 3:56:27 PM | message detail
This match had virtually no hype at all...it went far and above the call of duty.
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swirIdude | Posted 10/17/2006 3:57:02 PM | message detail
The reason it had no hype is because nearly the entire stats topic was spewing "Peach is fodder" nonsense.
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Janus5000 | Posted 10/17/2006 3:58:07 PM | message detail
Really, for an upset that multiple people actually took, this match got about as much debate as MC/Subby.

Though that's probably partly due to round 1 being completely useless.
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swirIdude | Posted 10/17/2006 3:58:41 PM | message detail
What's with the weird updating going on?

And wewt, Peach increasing!
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Janus5000 | Posted 10/17/2006 3:58:53 PM | message detail
...Most of us had Peach, swirlyface.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/17/2006 3:58:53 PM | message detail
The reason it had no hype is because nearly the entire stats topic was spewing "Peach is fodder" nonsense.

I'd like you to tell me a single reason how this could possibly lead to nearly every stathead taking Peach in this match. Give it a rest.
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swirIdude | Posted 10/17/2006 4:00:00 PM | message detail
Hey, I clearly remember many people laughing at users like myself and FastFalcon when we said Peach could potentially have strength.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 10/17/2006 4:00:12 PM | message detail
QUICK WITHOUT THINKING: This match takes place, but with Ms. Pac Man instead of Jill Valentine? By what specific percentage is Peach owned and what acronyms are invented to describe it?
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HoorayProxies | Posted 10/17/2006 4:00:42 PM | message detail
This match had plenty of debate pre-contest, it seems like once the contest hit everyone was so tired of saying the same things over again we haven't got all that much debate prior to controversial matches.

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HoorayProxies | Posted 10/17/2006 4:01:19 PM | message detail
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/17/2006 4:01:22 PM | message detail
Unless Jill is underrated from 2k4 or has boosted since then...Peach doesn't have strength. She'd probably lose to Ness at this rate.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/17/2006 4:02:36 PM | message detail
From swirIdude Posted 10/17/2006 7:00:00 PM
Hey, I clearly remember many people laughing at users like myself and FastFalcon when we said Peach could potentially have strength.

There's a big difference between being fodder and having strength.

Jill has no strength, but she isn't fodder.

Peach has no strength, but she isn't fodder.

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Big Bob | Posted 10/17/2006 4:03:47 PM | message detail
Nah, I bet Peach would beat Ness easily. If Ness gets all his strength from Smash Bros, and Peach shares that fanbase + the Mario fanbase, then she's easily stronger than him.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 10/17/2006 4:03:58 PM | message detail
Woo and stuff
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/17/2006 4:04:42 PM | message detail
I couldn't fathom taking Ness over Peach directly or indirectly though, so that's probably a sign that Jill is above her 2k4 value...or that Nintendo has lost a bit of a step since 2005.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 10/17/2006 4:05:31 PM | message detail
I was always under the impression that Jill's value was underrated because Ryu H. underperformed on Sora by virtue of getting a bad pic or something.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/17/2006 4:05:39 PM | message detail
Well, yeah, there's no way Ness beats Peach even if he is indirectly stronger. It's like the next Mario/Samus.

Only with, y'know, 20000 less votes.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 10/17/2006 4:05:42 PM | message detail
Her 2K4 value, I mean.
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Janus5000 | Posted 10/17/2006 4:07:38 PM | message detail
Peach is currently projected to get... 55% on Wario using adjusted 2k4 Shadow? Seems about right - I can't see her being weaker with SSBM. =(
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/17/2006 4:07:41 PM | message detail
That depends on who you ask. Hayabusa got a terrible picture against Sora, but his picture against Jill wasn't that great either. It wasn't until 2005 that he started getting his ninja picture.
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Janus5000 | Posted 10/17/2006 4:08:30 PM | message detail
I like how Peach's % has gone up .01% ever since she took the lead. >_>
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Janus5000 | Posted 10/17/2006 4:08:44 PM | message detail
.01% every update, I mean.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/17/2006 4:09:14 PM | message detail
I think the Mario fanbase would easily prefer Ness if anything.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/17/2006 4:09:44 PM | message detail
Peach is currently projected to get... 55% on Wario using adjusted 2k4 Shadow? Seems about right - I can't see her being weaker with SSBM. =(

Yeah, but I'd expect Wario to have grown stronger since 2003.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 10/17/2006 4:11:48 PM | message detail
I'm not going to say jill has shifted in strength for better or worse, but you should keep in mind that we haven't seen her since 2k4. A lot of things can happen in a two year period, even without any new major releases.

*ignores how strong that would make sheena* >_>
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/17/2006 4:12:49 PM | message detail
I'm going to take the ToS characters' rankings with a grain of salt. If Sheena ends up stronger than Kratos, I won't bat an eye.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 10/17/2006 4:13:57 PM | message detail
I'd laugh a lot if Mithos was projected to be the strongest ToS character in the overall stats.
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King Bowser | Posted 10/17/2006 4:14:05 PM | message detail
Awesome! Nice to see Peach overcome the lead and just build a lead of her own.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/17/2006 4:15:02 PM | message detail
Although...if Sheena = Kratos, then Jill = Leon 2k5.

So yeah, Peach would have legitimate strength in THAT case.
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therealmnm | Posted 10/17/2006 4:17:28 PM | message detail
This match had plenty of debate pre-contest, it seems like once the contest hit everyone was so tired of saying the same things over again we haven't got all that much debate prior to controversial matches.

I'd attribute this topic being dull to those that were against Peach initially but conceded that she would win did it with very little enthusiasm. From what I've seen, some of the people here don't care for Peach at ALL...
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/17/2006 4:19:37 PM | message detail
Hey, I don't care for Ganondorf one whit and we debated that match to high heaven. Want to know why this match wasn't debated?

Because it's Jill/Peach. Vincent/Ganondorf will actually matter in the grand scheme of things. Peach will be very fortunate just to return next contest.
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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 10/17/2006 4:20:08 PM | message detail
Uh oh! Jill cuts off 10
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/17/2006 4:20:46 PM | message detail
I was with Peach the entire time, and thought she'd pull in 60%+

As we got closer to this match, I realized it would probably be close with a Peach victoly.

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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/17/2006 4:21:12 PM | message detail
Grand scheme of things? >_>
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/17/2006 4:22:38 PM | message detail
Grand scheme of things? >_>

Grand scheme of THE OH SO IMPORTANT GAMEFAQS CONTESTS, BELIEVE IT !!

Seriously, that was like a year's worth of debate and then some coming to a head in an awesome showdown. This is a match that would have never seen the light of day if it hadn't been for the female half.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 10/17/2006 4:22:53 PM | message detail
Grand scheme of things? >_>

I think he means that people tend to care more about matches involving characters that have a lot of contest strength.
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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 10/17/2006 4:23:46 PM | message detail
Okay, Peach just *****slapped her after she thought of possibly coming back.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/17/2006 4:24:31 PM | message detail
Wow Jill got a 1400 vote lead and as I comeback Peach got it all back and has a 167 vote lead.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/17/2006 4:25:41 PM | message detail
Not only that, but it puts a lot of questions to rest. We'll have our first clear reading on Ganondorf...ever (never mind that Twilight Princess will make that inconsequential by the next contest <_<), and we get to see the Devil Division's herald stack up as well. For a guy that follows the contest stats, that's a match that you simply can't ignore.

This is like...the number seven on the Nintendo totem pole facing off against a character that hasn't had a game in six years.
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Kaxon | Posted 10/17/2006 4:31:26 PM | message detail
This is like...the number seven on the Nintendo totem pole facing off against a character that hasn't had a game in six years.

I don't think Peach is even in the Nintendo top ten...

Link, Mario, Samus, Bowser, Zelda, Ganondorf, Kirby, Yoshi, Luigi, Donkey Kong.
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Lopen | Posted 10/17/2006 4:32:50 PM | message detail
#7 on the Mario totem pole would probably be closer to correct.
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therealmnm | Posted 10/17/2006 4:32:56 PM | message detail
Fox...
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dragoontheguy | Posted 10/17/2006 4:34:12 PM | message detail
I'd like to see fox in another contest as well. I think he'd easily beat peach in the xstats.
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wavedash101 | Posted 10/17/2006 4:35:40 PM | message detail
More like five on the Mario totem pole...after Mario, Bowser, Luigi, and Yoshi..unless you count DK in which case she's sixth.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/17/2006 4:37:58 PM | message detail
Fine, go on then, correct me. BAH
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Lopen | Posted 10/17/2006 4:38:30 PM | message detail
Wario vs Peach gets some debate, probably. Heck, I think Toad vs Peach should too... but I'm probably alone in that. And yeah, DK if you count him.

Still... close to 7th.
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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 10/17/2006 4:38:49 PM | message detail
Damnit Jill stop making me nervous!

+51 votes for Jill
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/17/2006 4:38:55 PM | message detail
And yeah, we definitely need to see Fox in one of these things again, if only so we can get a proper read on him.
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DpObliVion | Posted 10/17/2006 4:39:01 PM | message detail
What the hell, 51 vote gain for Jill?!

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