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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 390
| satai_delenn | Posted 10/16/2006 12:05:53 PM | message detail |
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I'm curious, did DMC2 really boost Dante significantly? It was so
terrible...I'm wondering if a new game will boost a character even if
no one liked said game. --- Beating FE5 and FE6 hard mode is a true test of manhood in the Japanese culture. However. This explains why they have a lot of effeminate men. ~Sytha |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/16/2006 12:17:23 PM | message detail |
| Boy oh boy, Karma. While I have so many ideas on
that subject I still can't see how one would untangle the mess that is
the upper half. So many things to ask: Why is Crono still equal to Mario in 2k3? Seems odd that he'd have a drop off similar to the post-Sunshine Mario, though he did gain quite a bit in 2k4 so he's known for random fluctuations. How do you adjust for Cloud? He should be stronger than Sephiroth, right? Or not... So on and so forth I will, however, point something out to you. MM has had 8-10 games every year for god knows how long, and he managed to stay dead even from 2k3 to 2k5 (2k4 he was SFF'd) and has absolutely no reason to be stronger in 2k2 than 2k3. He seems to be an ideal base. Hell, Mega Man seems to be the most stable character in the history of the contest, barring anomalies, and I wonder if he shouldn't be the basis of our comparisons. --- If B8 were any more like the WWE I'd be getting paid for this message. If you mark someone for flaming/trolling, you probably deserved it. |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 10/16/2006 12:24:01 PM | message detail |
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When I made my 2k2 stats, I went under the assumption that Mega Man 2k2
= Mega Man 2k3. For Cloud's half division, I held Tails constant, which
says Cloud beats Mario in 2k2 with 55.6%. Probably too much... --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Top100.pdf |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/16/2006 12:27:13 PM | message detail |
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"For Cloud's half division, I held Tails constant," 1) Tails 2k4 sorta puts that into question, if you mean to say his 2k3 value was your basis. 2) Knux and Sonic both dropped (the latter excessively so) going into 2k3 leading me to beleive Tails probably wasn't constant between the two. Not a terrible idea, but I like Alucard better. --- If B8 were any more like the WWE I'd be getting paid for this message. If you mark someone for flaming/trolling, you probably deserved it. |
| consolefreak | Posted 10/16/2006 12:27:59 PM | message detail |
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lol no This is Big Boss with his Metal Gear pic. The Boss is probably stronger. Or *gasp* Samus could be underadjusted! Well I was talking about Tifa's performance on Samus 2k5 there, so that's a moot point. But yeah, Samus could be underadjusted. If Tifa fails to break 45%, we'll know for sure she is! And your point with Dante? everyone expected Celes to be weaker than Terra, it was just a question of how much. As for this match, there can be plenty of SFF, MGS and FF7 have shown to go wacky before. Oh, and Dante totally rocks Tifa. "Plenty of SFF"? No kidding! That point was covered with the whole Frog/Liquid thing. Of course there's plenty of SFF. If there wasn't any, Tifa's projected to beat adjusted Samus 2k5 with 58.47% (Celes = Terra, Tifa ends with 75%). So yeah, SFF being there is pretty obvious. And Celes much weaker than Terra? Doubtful. And Dante > Tifa this year? Not happening. She was stronger last year, and KH2 + AC >>>>>> DMC3: SE and DMC collection. I'd totally account bet that Samus doesn't let Tifa break 45%, or even a no return account bet. No more console? What makes you think I would take that bet? Zelda over Tifa? Yeah, but it would be close either way... considering I don't really buy into the whole KH2F, and Tifa's role wasn't all that large, I'd have to. It could go either way though. So Zelda boosts more from nothing than Tifa does from KH2 and AC? You'll have to explain that one. --- CB: 32/34. Today: Tifa vs. The Boss. Tomorrow: Jill vs. Peach. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/16/2006 12:28:21 PM | message detail |
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*thinks* Heh, if you keep MM constant Knux gains, doesn't he. Silly me. Gomen, gomen. --- If B8 were any more like the WWE I'd be getting paid for this message. If you mark someone for flaming/trolling, you probably deserved it. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/16/2006 12:47:58 PM | message detail |
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Um...I may not be doing this right. Am I correct in assuming that if
you assume Mega Man is constant from 2k2 to 2k3, and you adjust Cloud
using the Alucard derived from those stats, that he is DEAD EVEN with
Link 2k2? o.O --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| King Bowser | Posted 10/16/2006 12:58:03 PM | message detail |
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What is this crazy nonsense about Tifa breaking 45% on Samus? Assuming
she wasn't underrated in those stats that year, Tifa would have to be
stronger than Solid Snake in 2005 for that. Yeah...no. --- "Thank You Mario! But our Princess is in another castle!" |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 10/16/2006 1:08:13 PM | message detail |
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Um...I may not be doing this right. Am I correct in assuming that if
you assume Mega Man is constant from 2k2 to 2k3, and you adjust Cloud
using the Alucard derived from those stats, that he is DEAD EVEN with
Link 2k2? o.O Figure out what 2k3 Alucard gets on 2k3 Mega Man: 35.70% Assume that Alucard and Mega Man are constant between 2k2 and 2k3. Figure out what Alucard gets on 2k2 Link:30.64% Look up what Alucard got on 2k2 Cloud: 30.36% Figure out what 2k2 Cloud gets on 2k2 Link: 49.54% Yup. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Top100.pdf |
| Haste_2 | Posted 10/16/2006 1:10:14 PM | message detail |
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Pray tell, what's the 'wackiest' thing that happened from 2k2 to 2k3 that can't be explained with Link/Mario SFF? Most of the South Division. Only Raziel and Bomberman fit in the next year if you assume a weaker 2K2 Link (say, 46% on BL). Using raw 2K2/2K3 stats: Pac-Man and Max Payne actually seemed to get a little stronger than their 2K2 raw value suggests, and Scorpion stayed about the same. Kirby increases slightly, and Jill Valentine drops, but Jill is debatable...if you say Samus was underrated a good amount in 2K3 and you assume a weaker Link in 2K2, it means Jill actually went up in strength significantly between '02 and '03. Anyway, seeing Kain (related to Raziel) do well on Kirby a couple years later makes me believe Raziel under-performed on Sephiroth in 2K3, and Bomberman looked like utter crap in his picture against Alucard. Link over-performance on Scorpion, anyone? I'm still siding with the WDF, though...it's not like something crazy happening with elites like someone doing 3% too well is impossible. --- Sign the Petition for more stats in the GameFAQs Contests here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=30693799 |
| creativename | Posted 10/16/2006 1:16:51 PM | message detail |
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I saw something about Samus' chances in the last bracket match. I'd say they have to be less than 50%. Samus would have a greater than 50% chance against the males individually, but all of them? Any one of Sonic, Snake, or even Crono and Mega Man could have boosted above her. There's too much swing potential there. Samus' odds of winning the main bracket are less than 50%. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/16/2006 1:18:37 PM | message detail |
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Yup. AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I think I'm gonna use Tails then --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/16/2006 1:19:00 PM | message detail |
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"that he is DEAD EVEN with Link 2k2" Consider his distance from Link in 2k3 when both had new games... --- If B8 were any more like the WWE I'd be getting paid for this message. If you mark someone for flaming/trolling, you probably deserved it. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/16/2006 1:22:19 PM | message detail |
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That crossed my mind briefly, but Sephiroth doubling up on poor Mega
Man changed my mind toot sweet. Unless Sephiroth getting that
much-hyped optional boss fight gave him a MUCH bigger boost in 2003
than Cloud got. Which means, err...Sephiroth for 2k6 Champ? --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/16/2006 1:25:04 PM | message detail |
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Sephiroth was significantly cooler in his
one apperance than Cloud was through all of his in KH. Besides, you
can't have a significantly lower target numebr for Cloud without making
him weaker than Sephiroth. And if life has taught me any painful
lessons, it's that the voters think Cloud is the better of the two. --- If B8 were any more like the WWE I'd be getting paid for this message. If you mark someone for flaming/trolling, you probably deserved it. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 10/16/2006 1:27:15 PM | message detail |
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Oh man, I forgot about Tifa's crappy day vote. She's the exception to the FF7 rule... And ewww, 2002/2003 stats. Have fun dealing with those... --- Moltar Status: Feeling good and hot-blooded. Tifa vs. The Boss - Bracket: Tifa - Vote: The Boss (32/36) |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/16/2006 1:27:35 PM | message detail |
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Grr stupid Auron why did you have to go and beat Tails and get SFFed by Cloud and ruin my glorious plans. Fine then, I'm using Alucard. BUT I'M NOT GOING TO BE HAPPY ABOUT SUPER MARIO SUNSHINE BOOSTING MARIO TO LINK'S LEVEL --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/16/2006 1:28:08 PM | message detail |
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They are fun. The 2k2 stats are the last great-unknown in contest statistics. --- If B8 were any more like the WWE I'd be getting paid for this message. If you mark someone for flaming/trolling, you probably deserved it. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/16/2006 1:28:53 PM | message detail |
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Will you be happy when Galaxy does it? I know I will. --- If B8 were any more like the WWE I'd be getting paid for this message. If you mark someone for flaming/trolling, you probably deserved it. |
| King Bowser | Posted 10/16/2006 1:29:37 PM | message detail |
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Ah, this wondrous female bracket makes us go back and start discussing insignificant 2002 stats. It's beautiful. --- "Thank You Mario! But our Princess is in another castle!" |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/16/2006 1:29:40 PM | message detail |
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And I expect him to maintain the lion's share for months rather than days. --- If B8 were any more like the WWE I'd be getting paid for this message. If you mark someone for flaming/trolling, you probably deserved it. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/16/2006 1:32:05 PM | message detail |
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I don't mind the lacking excitment on this half, HM, considering that
the Male's side is rough enough to make up for it. It just means we get
most of our exciting matches lumped together. --- If B8 were any more like the WWE I'd be getting paid for this message. If you mark someone for flaming/trolling, you probably deserved it. |
| MyworldisSmurf | Posted 10/16/2006 1:33:28 PM | message detail |
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4 year old stats are hardly useless. They've wavered a bit, but to
completly throw them out the window is foolish. It was only 4 years
ago, and in the same generation as it is now. --- I'm Shadow... the Hedgehog. I was created to bring justice to the humans. I'm going to destroy this damn planet! This is WHO I AM!' |
| King Bowser | Posted 10/16/2006 1:33:37 PM | message detail |
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It actually isn't too bad, really. It hurts for discussion -- minus
today which had three pages worth of new discussion about something as
silly as Tifa breaking 45% on Samus -- but it's a nice break! Tomorrow should be good, though, because Peach is so taking out Jill. --- "Thank You Mario! But our Princess is in another castle!" |
| creativename | Posted 10/16/2006 1:33:37 PM | message detail |
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The Super Mario Sunshine factor is one of the most overrated things in these topics. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/16/2006 1:34:59 PM | message detail |
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No it's not. It wasn't a huge boost by any means, but it was enough to put Mario over Cloud which is impressive even pre-KH. --- If B8 were any more like the WWE I'd be getting paid for this message. If you mark someone for flaming/trolling, you probably deserved it. |
| King Bowser | Posted 10/16/2006 1:35:12 PM | message detail |
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4 year old stats are hardly useless. They've wavered a bit, but to
completly throw them out the window is foolish. It was only 4 years
ago, and in the same generation as it is now. Thinking anything from 2002 has any credence whatsoever now is stupid. There was a major shift the next year. No characters from that year are going to be same as they were then. They're entirely pointless outside of trying to figure out why certain things were how they were for whatever reason. You can't take anything from them and apply them to now. --- "Thank You Mario! But our Princess is in another castle!" |
| Master Moltar | Posted 10/16/2006 1:35:12 PM | message detail |
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minus today which had three pages worth of new discussion about
something as silly as Tifa breaking 45% on Samus -- but it's a nice
break! Not that's crazy talk! And if Peach breaks 55%, heads will roll. I have her winning, but I want Jill to win (or at least make it close). --- Moltar Status: Feeling good and hot-blooded. Tifa vs. The Boss - Bracket: Tifa - Vote: The Boss (32/36) |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/16/2006 1:36:00 PM | message detail |
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"They're entirely pointless outside of trying to figure out why certain things were how they were for whatever reason." Yeah... it's called fun, man. --- If B8 were any more like the WWE I'd be getting paid for this message. If you mark someone for flaming/trolling, you probably deserved it. |
| TehMissingLink | Posted 10/16/2006 1:36:58 PM | message detail |
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We have two different ideas of "fun" !! --- "Thank You Mario! But our Princess is in another castle!" |
| transience | Posted 10/16/2006 1:36:58 PM | message detail |
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2002 stats may be useless, but you can still have fun playing with
them. 2002 is such a mess though that I don't think you can untangle
them. --- xyzzy |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/16/2006 1:37:49 PM | message detail |
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Well, you don't do the X-Stats thing, do you? --- If B8 were any more like the WWE I'd be getting paid for this message. If you mark someone for flaming/trolling, you probably deserved it. |
| Haste_2 | Posted 10/16/2006 1:38:01 PM | message detail |
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I really don't think Cloud was THAT close to Link in 2K2...he was only
above Seph in future years, and I'd imagine it's the same situation
there, in my opinion...plus, it makes Mario's SMS day seem a little
less severe. I don't think Alucard was constant, but I think he gained the next year a bit; otherwise that makes Duke Nukem fall about 3% in strength the next year, and Tails fall 2% to his only measured [2K4] value; granted, you could make a case for Tails being under-rated a bit in 2K4, behind VJoe-style Dante. Speaking of Auron...Auron beats Tails, Scorp, and Alucard with 64-65%, and in every single case people are saying "OMG weaker Tails, weaker Scorp, weaker Alucard!" And Ness, another of Auron's victims, beat Carl Johnson, and people say, "CJ's worthless!" :[ --- Sign the Petition for more stats in the GameFAQs Contests here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=30693799 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/16/2006 1:38:34 PM | message detail |
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From MyworldisSmurf Posted 10/16/2006 4:33:28 PM 4 year old stats are hardly useless. They've wavered a bit, but to completly throw them out the window is foolish. It was only 4 years ago, and in the same generation as it is now. lol claire lol tidus lol mario > cloud lol flurry of fodderific fighting characters TuRtLe ~~~ I used my brain and statistics to make my bracket. Karma Hunter used MGS fanboyism. KH won. Commit it to memory. |
| TehMissingLink | Posted 10/16/2006 1:39:36 PM | message detail |
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"Do the X-stats thing?" I don't make them, but I do use and look at them, sometimes make my own little adjustments on questionable things. I just don't particularly care much for discussing old stats that far back. Discussing 2005's or, later on, 2006's won't bother me too much because they're recent and apply to what the contests now. But, eh, not trying to stop anyone from discussing them. --- "Thank You Mario! But our Princess is in another castle!" |
| PlatinumSmurf | Posted 10/16/2006 1:40:09 PM | message detail |
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I never said that they are 100% still accurate today. At least read the post, BT. The noble 9 is still the same. And I can't think of a single character that has moved any more than 2 tiers in either direction. --- Smurf The Cream of Sonic Fanboyism |
| TehMissingLink | Posted 10/16/2006 1:40:43 PM | message detail |
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lol mario > cloud Summer Contest 2007 Champion -- Mario --- "Thank You Mario! But our Princess is in another castle!" |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/16/2006 1:42:35 PM | message detail |
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There are a few problems with what you've said. "I don't think Alucard was constant, but I think he gained the next year a bit;" Alucard really had no reason to gain, unless the game when GH between the two. I will not buy a very minor appearance in another game, if there was one. "that makes Duke Nukem fall about 3% in strength the next year," And then he went back up in 2k4... "and Tails fall 2% to his only measured [2K4] value;" Sonic dropped more. --- If B8 were any more like the WWE I'd be getting paid for this message. If you mark someone for flaming/trolling, you probably deserved it. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/16/2006 1:43:50 PM | message detail |
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""Do the X-stats thing?" I don't make them, but I do use and look at them," And that is precisely where the difference is. You don't make them. --- If B8 were any more like the WWE I'd be getting paid for this message. If you mark someone for flaming/trolling, you probably deserved it. |
| transience | Posted 10/16/2006 1:45:13 PM | message detail |
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any thoughts on this year's base yet? --- xyzzy |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/16/2006 1:46:16 PM | message detail |
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Well... Mega Man seems as stable as ever. :) Really, I can't see him moving up or down much at all for as long as he gets 8 unspectacular but noticable games per year. --- If B8 were any more like the WWE I'd be getting paid for this message. If you mark someone for flaming/trolling, you probably deserved it. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/16/2006 1:46:40 PM | message detail |
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Unless he goes and flat out loses to Snake I still like Mega Man. Granted, it's pretty early to be talking about this. <_< --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 10/16/2006 1:47:21 PM | message detail |
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Current stats based on Tifa/Boss so far: Samus Aran – 41.69% Tifa Lockhart – 33.57% Rikku – 26.55% Kairi – 22.15% Claire Redfield – 21.23% The Boss – 16.94% Ada Wong – 16.86% Ivy Valentine – 15.99% Nidoran F – 15.13% Lenneth Valkyrie – 13.28% Celes Chere – 13.19% Jade – 8.13% This tells me that Tifa got stronger or there's some more Fishy things happening between FF and MGS. --- Squall Leonhart's Road to the Character Battle V Championship: Round 2: (1) Solid Snake |
| LordOfDabu | Posted 10/16/2006 1:48:37 PM | message detail |
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I'd be really hesitant to think Mega Man stayed constant after Zero's performance. --- "Professor Planet, mathematical hero. Going to take epsilon down to zero." Math board: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=576216 |
| TehMissingLink | Posted 10/16/2006 1:48:47 PM | message detail |
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And that is precisely where the difference is. You don't make them. ...Okay. --- "Thank You Mario! But our Princess is in another castle!" |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/16/2006 1:49:20 PM | message detail |
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There's no reason why should wouldn't get stronger, I'd say. Now that's
not to say I believe it is to some extreme, but the evidence most
certainly points to that very conclussion. --- If B8 were any more like the WWE I'd be getting paid for this message. If you mark someone for flaming/trolling, you probably deserved it. |
| dragoontheguy | Posted 10/16/2006 1:50:21 PM | message detail |
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So, what potential sff matches are there left in the contest in
everyones opinion? I don't know about the rest of the contest, but for
this round it seems like kirby vs. luigi is the only possibility left. The battle royale is going to be sff hell though. Unless something unexpected happens were looking at three nintendo characters and three square characters... that might not create the most reliable poll weve ever seen to say the least. --- When D... I'd be able to finish this sig if Z1mZum didn't own me so hard in the guru contest. Congrats on your victory! |
| TehMissingLink | Posted 10/16/2006 1:50:24 PM | message detail |
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I'd like to see Mega Man's later performances before saying anything about him right now. --- "Thank You Mario! But our Princess is in another castle!" |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/16/2006 1:50:38 PM | message detail |
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Would Celes really lose to Lenneth Whatchamacalit? I'm thinking it's a combination of the two, easily. --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 10/16/2006 1:51:09 PM | message detail |
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Celes would beat Lenneth down, yo. --- Squall Leonhart's Road to the Character Battle V Championship: Round 2: (1) Solid Snake |