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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 386

THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/12/2006 5:10:26 PM | message detail
Nah, DK is noticeably lower in 2004, compared to 2003. Either way, all I'm saying is that I just can't buy MC or DK being anywhere near as high as 2005 indicates, and if they're not, Sub-Zero's got a chance. It's not nearly as farfetched as people are acting.
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Gooper Blooper | Posted 10/12/2006 5:10:30 PM | message detail
So, who else will be voting for Subby? =D

Now that my breacket is sunk, I'm jumping at every upset I see, hoping at least some of them happen. Luigi scored one; who else?
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Haste_2 | Posted 10/12/2006 5:12:12 PM | message detail
DK is at 23.5% in 2K4 using unadjusted Seph...if you adjust Sephiroth up to his 2K3/2K5 level, DK goes up to his 2K3 level (25%).

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/12/2006 5:13:57 PM | message detail
But I just realized that Moltar was probably referring to Vivi, who is oddly around the same area in both 2004 and 2005.
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Yesmar | Posted 10/12/2006 5:20:19 PM | message detail
And even after Halo 2, XBox hasn't become THAT much more popular around here

Ownership increased by almost 5% after staying steady for around a year. That's a lot for just one game.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/12/2006 5:20:38 PM | message detail
Vivi probably dropped a lil' in 2k5...while I don't think he got SFFed by Sephy, it's all but universally accepted Seph got SFFed by Cloud (or is at least 'underrated'). Still, there's no way Donkey Kong turns that beating around into one just as bad in the span of a year.

CATS has already gone some way toward exposing the Chief (yet again). People who are clinging to that 2k5 value are being a bit delusional...
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/12/2006 5:21:45 PM | message detail
XBox ownership still isn't anything stellar.
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Haste_2 | Posted 10/12/2006 5:23:12 PM | message detail
What about 3% lower than his 30.87% value? I don't think that's delusional, since MC boosted from Halo 2 after beating a Frog worth 25% on BL.

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trannyscience | Posted 10/12/2006 5:24:13 PM | message detail
even that's a bit high for me. I think of MC as being worth about 26%.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 10/12/2006 5:24:43 PM | message detail
Either way, all I'm saying is that I just can't buy MC or DK being anywhere near as high as 2005 indicates, and if they're not, Sub-Zero's got a chance. It's not nearly as farfetched as people are acting.

Heh, he certainly has a chance, but IMO, that's ONLY because of Armageddon coming this week.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/12/2006 5:25:21 PM | message detail
Armageddon is just icing on the cake, baby! Sub-Zero could have won, with or without it!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/12/2006 5:25:50 PM | message detail
26-27% is where I see the Chief...28% is pushing it for me. Though with any of those values Sub-Zero conceivably has a chance.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/12/2006 5:26:58 PM | message detail
And Master Chief never beat Frog !!
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Haste_2 | Posted 10/12/2006 5:27:43 PM | message detail
Oops, I mean losing to Frog. :p

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trannyscience | Posted 10/12/2006 5:28:07 PM | message detail
I see Sub as worth about 25%, MC about 26. 1% is easily overcome. add in a random spike for Sub thanks to Armageddon and I think he's got a great chance.

if you believe MC's up in the high 20's then I can understand why you wouldn't give Sub a chance. but I don't think that at all.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/12/2006 5:29:20 PM | message detail
I'd put MC around 27%, but I'd never put Subby at 25%, he may end up that close to MC anyway though, just because how MC operates.

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/12/2006 5:30:28 PM | message detail
...What's wrong with Sub-Zero at 25% on BL? Scorpion in 2003 was 24.74% on BL. And it's not like it puts him up against competition he can't possibly beat.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/12/2006 5:31:12 PM | message detail
Scorpion was arguably at or around 25% for three years running. Why wouldn't Sub-Zero be there?
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 10/12/2006 5:31:38 PM | message detail
Personally, I'd put MC around 28-29%. Sure, he's quite possibly overrated in 2k5, but Halo 2 should at least give as big of a boost as RE4 PS2 or DMC3SE.
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PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/12/2006 5:31:41 PM | message detail
Because I only expect MK to go down since then, it's not like he couldn't be there, but I just don't see it happening. If Sub wins, he does so on MC's weakness, not his strength.

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/12/2006 5:32:28 PM | message detail
An XBox game being worth as much as big PS2 games that this site cares about? I'll give that one a "meh."
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/12/2006 5:33:07 PM | message detail
Sure, Scorpion may not be there anymore, but I don't think he's far off. Factor in Sub-Zero > Scorpion, and him being 25% isn't unrealistic.
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TehMissingLink | Posted 10/12/2006 5:33:37 PM | message detail
Oh mercy. We have to Sub-Zero losers out in full force, I see! They should be silenced with Master Chief doesn't struggle later tonight!

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PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/12/2006 5:34:00 PM | message detail
Factor in that I've never though Subby would be much > Scorp if at all, and bam! Either way, I'm beyond tired right now, and I'm going to bed before midnight for the first time in I don't know how long.

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/12/2006 5:34:11 PM | message detail
At least this ONE bandwagon has outlasted TWO of your bandwagons!
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/12/2006 5:34:41 PM | message detail
Sub-Zero = Scorpion still makes no sense to me, and I haven't seen anyone explain why that would be the case.
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TehMissingLink | Posted 10/12/2006 5:34:50 PM | message detail
That's because this bandwagon had the luxury of being at the end of the round! But, no matter, it'll all over soon!

Thankfully.

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therealmnm | Posted 10/12/2006 5:35:19 PM | message detail
Why would MK be dropping since 2k3? It's not like it was at a peak of popularity in that year. MK had probably ALREADY seen most of it's decrease in popularity by then. Since then we've had Deception and Shaolin Monks, which were actually well received, and we've got Armageddon on the horizon. Nothing THAT major, but I don't see MK continually dropping from where it was in 2k3...
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/12/2006 5:35:55 PM | message detail
Armageddon on the horizon, you say?

*checks Top 10 FAQs*
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trannyscience | Posted 10/12/2006 5:36:41 PM | message detail
the only argument I see for MK dropping is that Ryu's been apparently dropping and Soul Calibur went from 49% on KH to 30% on MG. it could follow that MK is the same way.

but MK's been putting games out by the truckload, so it's not like the series is dead or anything.
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TehMissingLink | Posted 10/12/2006 5:37:30 PM | message detail
The series should be dead, but we have some people out there who insist on buying crap!

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trannyscience | Posted 10/12/2006 5:38:22 PM | message detail
ahh, HM. discussion about MK wouldn't be the same without you insulting it with every post you make!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/12/2006 5:38:47 PM | message detail
Hey HM, just wait until Sub-Zero ends up above all of Ken's values this year! BURN
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trannyscience | Posted 10/12/2006 5:39:56 PM | message detail
wait a second, what's this?

Ken Masters (2003c) VS Scorpion (2003c)

Ken Masters has a strength of 21.71.
Scorpion has a strength of 24.74.

Scorpion wins with 56.12% of the vote!
A win of 10,072 with 82,241 total votes cast.

whoa ~!!
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Big Bob | Posted 10/12/2006 5:40:06 PM | message detail
Aside from Scorpion in 2k2, MK really doesn't have a fanbase here. Besides, all the guys he beat in 2k2 were losers. (some fighting guy, Max Payne, Pac-Man...and I'd take Pac-Man in a rematch).

Master Chief won't be in trouble, but I bet anti-voting helps Sub-Zero do reasonably. Master Chief with 58%.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 10/12/2006 5:41:06 PM | message detail
An XBox game being worth as much as big PS2 games that this site cares about? I'll give that one a "meh."

As I mentioned earlier, it's a boost relative to his old self. Compare Halo 2 to Halo 1, and compare DMC3SE to DMC3/DMC2/DMC1. One would certainly expect a bigger increase, on a relative scale, for MC, much as HL2 managed to boost Gordon Freeman by more that TP will likely manage to boost Link.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/12/2006 5:42:19 PM | message detail
You'd take Pac-Man in a rematch? Suit yourself.
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TehMissingLink | Posted 10/12/2006 5:42:52 PM | message detail
Hey HM, just wait until Sub-Zero ends up above all of Ken's values this year! BURN

Sub-Zero is going to higher than 29% on BL? Hah! He'll be equal to Scorpion at best!

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/12/2006 5:43:36 PM | message detail
Not this dreaded Sub-Zero = Scorpion trash again!

Please explain to me why those two would be equal while Ryu and Ken are not.
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trannyscience | Posted 10/12/2006 5:43:38 PM | message detail
hey, if Master Chief wins that's very possible!

I love it, if Sub loses he gets a higher x-stat value.
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therealmnm | Posted 10/12/2006 5:44:47 PM | message detail
the only argument I see for MK dropping is that Ryu's been apparently dropping and Soul Calibur went from 49% on KH to 30% on MG. it could follow that MK is the same way.

The jury's still out on Ryu... I don't see why he would suddenly drop in popularity now. Soul Calibur was behind Starcraft, and the games contest was also right after the Soul Calibur 2 hype, so it probably was a bit stronger then, since the series temporarily drew in a non-traditional fighting game fanbase (i.e. Gamecube) that probably have since left the series by the wayside.

I certainly don't think that fighting games are suddenly losing popularity or anything, if that's where you are pointing at.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/12/2006 5:45:34 PM | message detail
Come on, we're getting awfully close to Scorpion = Alucard territory! It's a sign, folks!
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 10/12/2006 5:45:39 PM | message detail
Please explain to me why those two would be equal while Ryu and Ken are not.

Cuz Liu Kang is the main character of MK. If Chunners = Ken, I don't see why Subs = Scorp is so crazy.

Not that I think Sub will be as weak as Scorp, but still.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/12/2006 5:47:03 PM | message detail
But Liu Kang wouldn't be anywhere close to being strong. Being the "main character" of a fighting game has nothing to do with it.
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therealmnm | Posted 10/12/2006 5:47:16 PM | message detail
Cuz Liu Kang is the main character of MK. If Chunners = Ken, I don't see why Subs = Scorp is so crazy.

Oh please... Main character has nothing to do with MK character popularity. It has always been about Sub-Zero and Scorpion. Liu Kang might not even be in the Top 4...
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 10/12/2006 5:48:11 PM | message detail
Come on, we're getting awfully close to Scorpion = Alucard territory! It's a sign, folks!

That's the best evidence of MC > Sub-Zero yet! MC would definitely beat Alucard, and since Auron has no doubt increased since 2k4, MC >>> Sub-Zero!

Bah, this makes me want to see MC vs. Alucard. That match might have at least been a little more interesting than MC vs. SZ.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 10/12/2006 5:49:10 PM | message detail
Oh please... Main character has nothing to do with MK character popularity. It has always been about Sub-Zero and Scorpion. Liu Kang might not even be in the Top 4...

Duh? That's not the point. The point is that Sub-Zero is not the main character, so he doesn't get that benefit, while Ryu does.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/12/2006 5:49:41 PM | message detail
Cuz Liu Kang is the main character of MK. If Chunners = Ken, I don't see why Subs = Scorp is so crazy.

Liu Kang is the Guile of MK, he just happens to win it every year. Sub and Scorps have a Ryu/Ken relationship going on, it just happens to be on more even footing...Sub-Zero's the one that's been in every MK and has had his own game though, so the advantage is clearly toward him.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 10/12/2006 5:51:02 PM | message detail
*Really hopes Sub-Zero beats the tar outta Master Chief tomorrow*
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therealmnm | Posted 10/12/2006 5:52:54 PM | message detail
Duh? That's not the point. The point is that Sub-Zero is not the main character, so he doesn't get that benefit, while Ryu does.

That's one of the reasons why Ryu is much more popular than Ken... but it certainly isn't the reason. It still does nothing to disprove that Sub-Zero isn't more popular than Scorpion. The MK duo have much more of a difference than Ryu and Ken, and many reasons to have different fans.
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