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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 385

MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/11/2006 9:26:39 PM | message detail
Oh, looks like this won't be a doubling then.
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Auron vs. Alucard / Bracket: Auron / Vote: Abstain (28/30)
Tomorrow / Bracket: Sub-Zero / Vote: Sub-Zero
transience | Posted 10/11/2006 9:30:12 PM | message detail
nah, doubling seems out of the question to me. 64% seems possible, but I think Alucard cuts at the lead overnight.

I'm curious to see if Auron develops Sora-like voting patterns. that would indicate a KH boost to me. I don't know if we'll be able to see in this match since Alucard is so dreadful in the day, but Master Chief (should he win) would be a great way to evaluate that.
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Haste_2 | Posted 10/11/2006 9:32:13 PM | message detail
Squall had KH2, but he still lost the after-school vote against Tidus slightly. Auron shouldn't be incredible or anything with it.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/11/2006 9:33:16 PM | message detail
Well, it's easy to dip in percentage when you're that damn high.

The fact that he lost it to Vincent seems a bit more damning, but it was only by the slimmest of margins...
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Haste_2 | Posted 10/11/2006 9:33:54 PM | message detail
Or, maybe Squall didn't get a KH2 boost, but Auron's boost will show in the afterschool vote. :p

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transience | Posted 10/11/2006 9:34:22 PM | message detail
hmm.. maybe the night vote that you get for being a FF character makes your day vote look less potent? *shrugs* this is overanalysis anyway!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/11/2006 9:35:56 PM | message detail
Keep slowly bringing him down, Alucard! Make this look good for when Auron comes back for my Oracle.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/11/2006 9:37:47 PM | message detail
I really don't get how a semi-generic gun toting guy like Leon is able to hang so well with the iconicness that is Bowser.

Stop everything you're doing and play RE4 start to finish right this minute.

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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 10/11/2006 9:38:32 PM | message detail
Leon was good in RE4, but Jill in RE2 is a whole nother level :)
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Kyle Bowen | Posted 10/11/2006 9:39:35 PM | message detail
Leon was good in RE4, but Jill in RE2 is a whole nother level :)

You can be Jill in RE2???????


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MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/11/2006 9:39:35 PM | message detail
Jill was in RE2? Cool.
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Auron vs. Alucard / Bracket: Auron / Vote: Abstain (28/30)
Tomorrow / Bracket: Sub-Zero / Vote: Sub-Zero
Karma Hunter | Posted 10/11/2006 9:40:30 PM | message detail
Revelation that Jill was secretly in RE2 boost CONFIRMED !!
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/11/2006 9:42:21 PM | message detail
This has been pretty consistant so far. It'll be interesting to see if there's a big swing in terms of percentage.

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Janus5000 | Posted 10/11/2006 9:42:28 PM | message detail
Peach is so screwed
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BDawg | Posted 10/11/2006 9:56:59 PM | message detail
Hmm yeah Auron is the only FFX character I like. Oh wait damn I played straight into the writer's hands. I meant Wakka, Wakka I tell ya!
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transience | Posted 10/11/2006 10:07:40 PM | message detail
argh, Auron's predictable path drives me nuts. give him someone slightly above him like Squall or Bowser and you could have a fun little match. instead we get SZ/MC and then Crono.
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Janus5000 | Posted 10/11/2006 10:10:01 PM | message detail
It'd be cool if he had a close one with Crono - not likely, but awesome.
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Haste_2 | Posted 10/11/2006 10:11:38 PM | message detail
I'd consider Alucard's absolute ceiling to be 28% on BL, and I really doubt he's quite that high... Crono would get 65% on such an Alucard.

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transience | Posted 10/11/2006 10:13:43 PM | message detail
even if he has a close one with Crono, it's a wasted slot. give him, say, POP's spot and the bracket's a lot more interesting.

...man, if POP beat Alucard, the board would be in shock.
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Redtooth | Posted 10/11/2006 10:32:30 PM | message detail
Alucard needs more of these 42% updates. I'd be very pleased if he can hold Auron under 60.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 10/11/2006 11:11:02 PM | message detail
Poor Alucard. Going to look worse than Tails here.

Well, at least there's a possible reason
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Chinballz | Posted 10/11/2006 11:30:53 PM | message detail
*regarding an earlier analysis*

Actually, Alucard did have a release since his last contest appearance. Dawn Of Sorrow.
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cardboard_BoxA_ | Posted 10/11/2006 11:34:33 PM | message detail
I have 27 points even though I voted Nidoran F>Samus.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/12/2006 12:02:51 AM | message detail
From Chinballz Posted 10/12/2006 2:30:53 AM #422
*regarding an earlier analysis*

Actually, Alucard did have a release since his last contest appearance. Dawn Of Sorrow.


That really doesn't count. He's barely even a side character so much as an added bonus.

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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/12/2006 12:22:08 AM | message detail
This is the one time I'm going to say this, but it looks like the 360 is my only hope. Alucard needs to be pulled up massively, he's just lost way too much strength the last couple of years.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/12/2006 12:33:41 AM | message detail
Alucard 37.14% 34,366
Auron 62.86% 58,155
TOTAL VOTES 92,521

At least there something positive in this match, even if the fact that Auron gets any votes at all is disgusting.
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GyratingGrandma | Posted 10/12/2006 5:18:36 AM | message detail
Wow... this match is absolutely shocking me. Even though I think Auron is underrated last year, this is still far exceeding my expectations. Auron 2K5 doesn't even break 52% on Alucard 2K4 using lol x-stats, yet he's absolutely dominating right now. This only lends more credence to the Vincent > Sonic train, though Sonic's still the favorite, it's making me definitely think Ganon and Auron are underrated last year, which makes Vincent's win even more powerful.

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Who Cares? | Posted 10/12/2006 5:22:05 AM | message detail
Auron 2K5 doesn't even break 52% on Alucard 2K4 using lol x-stats, yet he's absolutely dominating right now.

Considering Sora scored 55% against Alucard last year, I'm not seeing how this match is all that shocking.

Anyway, good job Auron...ready for Subby/MC now please...
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GyratingGrandma | Posted 10/12/2006 5:26:26 AM | message detail
Considering Sora scored 55% against Alucard last year, I'm not seeing how this match is all that shocking.

Maybe because Auron is less than 1% ahead in the stats than Sora in 2K4?

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 10/12/2006 5:45:24 AM | message detail
Yeah, but if you use 2004 Sora=2005 Sora, then Auron would be projected to get over 58% on Alucard using Auron's 2005 value. Granted, the derivation of Auron's 2005 value is questionable.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/12/2006 5:58:51 AM | message detail
Impressive performance by Auron so far. I had a feeling he could push 60% here, though I'm not sure how much to attribute to him boosting and Alucard seemingly falling. Alucard is at 23.16% using Auron's straight up 2005 value, which is barely above Alucard's own 2005 value, so we know that's wrong. He's definitely stronger than that now (or he was stronger than the stats showed last year. Again, Samus/Mario and Samus/Ganon make that difficult to know, especially given that we've never had a clear reading on Auron).

I need a basic idea of where to place Auron so I can work on these preliminary stats.
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transience | Posted 10/12/2006 6:51:57 AM | message detail
how about Alucard through Sora 2k4? seems the best option, I don't know.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/12/2006 6:57:47 AM | message detail
I'm of the opinion that Sora 2005 > Sora 2004, but that's a good place to start, I suppose. These are only rough guestimates, just to see how well they hold up in the second round. Anyway, based on Auron's current percentage (62.56%), this is what it looks like...

Samus Aran – 41.69%
Crono – 39.87%
Mega Man – 38.79%
Sonic the Hedgehog – 38.50%
Solid Snake – 36.97%
Bowser Koopa – 36.54%
Vincent Valentine – 35.58%
Squall Leonhart – 35.16%
Kirby – 34.99%
Luigi – 34.66%
Auron – 34.49%
Dante Sparda – 34.12%
Ganondorf – 33.74%
Princess Zelda – 33.71%
Tifa Lockhart – 33.57%
Aeris Gainsborough – 32.81%
Leon Kennedy – 32.56%
Zero – 32.09%
Sora – 32.00%
Ryu – 29.98%
Yoshi – 29.01%
The Prince of Persia – 26.80%
Rikku – 26.55%
Yuna – 26.10%
Riku – 25.99%
Alucard – 25.83%
Kratos – 25.72%
Gordon Freeman – 25.60%
Chun-Li – 24.92%
Ryu Hayabusa – 23.75%
Jill Valentine – 23.74%
Princess Peach – 23.50%
Axel – 23.37%
The Boss – 23.00%
Phoenix Wright – 21.40%
KOS-MOS – 21.30%
Captain Falcon – 20.60%
Marle – 19.83%
Tidus – 19.68%
Kairi – 19.39%
Terra Branford – 18.65%
Ada Wong – 18.64%
Claire Redfield – 18.58%
Sheena Fujibayashi – 18.03%
Celes Chere – 17.90%
Lara Croft – 16.75%
Joanna Dark – 16.50%
Ivy Valentine – 15.99%
Tingle – 15.61%
Kasumi – 15.58%
Sarah Kerrigan – 15.41%
Nidoran F – 15.13%
CATS – 14.82%
Amy Rose – 14.73%
Lenneth Valkyrie – 13.28%
Soma Cruz – 13.20%
Cortana – 13.12%
Roll – 10.81%
Carmen Sandiego – 9.38%
Jade – 9.00%
Princess Daisy – 7.94%
Alyx Vance – 7.52%

KHII BOOST CONFIRMED
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/12/2006 7:34:56 AM | message detail
*Does some quick calculations*

Looks like Luigi is going to beat Kirby, not that it would matter since I would probably be out of the leaderboard for having Yoshi > Dante.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/12/2006 7:40:06 AM | message detail
Yoshi > Dante is still very possible.

To lose faith in Yoshi because he underperformed on a boosted Riku (who may have been underrated himself last year due to Frog fishyness) is silly.

Although Danta did impress against Hayabusa, Zero's falling to Luigi kinda takes away from that.

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charmander6000 | Posted 10/12/2006 7:49:40 AM | message detail
Never mind after looking through my stats it starts to make sense and Kirby > Luigi is still possible.

That's the last time I'm going to use lol x-stats to see if something is possible and as for Yoshi/Dante I still think Yoshi can win it, I just have a bad feeling.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/12/2006 7:55:37 AM | message detail
Although Danta did impress against Hayabusa, Zero's falling to Luigi kinda takes away from that.

Leon doing so well on Bowser doesn't speak too well for Yoshi either, as I'd take Dante over Leon.
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/12/2006 8:06:13 AM | message detail
If Leon made no gains then Bowser would be as strong as 2k5 Luigi.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/12/2006 8:12:14 AM | message detail
But even holding Bowser entirely at his 2005 level (meaning he isn't overrated at all) puts Leon Kennedy a hair below Dante, whom I believe is stronger this year than he was last year.
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Big Bob | Posted 10/12/2006 8:15:01 AM | message detail
Auron (2005c) VS Alucard (2005c)

Auron has a strength of 30.88.
Alucard has a strength of 22.94.

Auron wins with 62.86% of the vote!
A win of 23,789 with 92,521 total votes cast.

Surprisingly close to the result. My take is that Snake DID SFF Sora, so Alucard's stronger than his value makes him, yet Auron's KHII boost cancels it out.

Or he's really that weak and Auron didn't have a boost. I like the first one better.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/12/2006 8:17:12 AM | message detail
If Snake didn't overperform against Sora, that makes Ryu look really bad...
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charmander6000 | Posted 10/12/2006 8:18:48 AM | message detail
Wait, Kratos only got 42.89% on Ryu I thought it was closer to 45%, that changes everything about Luigi/Kirby.

Let's assume Auron = 2k5 Ganondorf and if Alucard gets 37% on Auron (note that I don't use Base Link so % are based on what they would get against 2k5 Link). Alucard is now worth 23.66% against Link and Kratos would get 21.05%. Assuming that Kratos didn't gain this puts Ryu at 24.53% and Bowser at 29.91% (expected to get 57.87% against Leon) which then puts Kirby at 28.64%. If Luigi hasn't changed in strength then Kirby would be expected to get 49.87%.

There's a lot of assuming, but this match will be closer than Luigi/Zero.
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 10/12/2006 8:19:58 AM | message detail
Ryu looking bad isn't the end of the world. He's overrated on Board 8, anyway. 55% on Rikku says enough :(

TG
THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/12/2006 8:22:10 AM | message detail
Yeah, it says that Rikku is stronger than people give her credit for.
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Big Bob | Posted 10/12/2006 8:24:05 AM | message detail
I said that in this topic! But no, everyone was like "Rikku can't possibly be stronger than Yuna!"
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/12/2006 8:25:27 AM | message detail
Rikku being stronger than Yuna IS a viable possibility, because Yuna is looked upon in the same light as Tidus is by a lot of people, and Rikku isn't as unpopular as some would have you think.

I'd still take Yuna directly, but Rikku won't be very far off.
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transience | Posted 10/12/2006 8:27:22 AM | message detail
those two are even to me. arguing over who's stronger comes down to a direct match, not an indirect match.

as for Tidus... I've given up with him. I have no idea.
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KingBartz | Posted 10/12/2006 9:55:13 AM | message detail
Rikku and Yuna could be even...
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BDawg | Posted 10/12/2006 9:57:42 AM | message detail
Eh did Auron ever bottom out last night, he's already a full percent above where I left.
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creativename | Posted 10/12/2006 9:59:33 AM | message detail
KH:
Well, it's easy to dip in percentage when you're that damn high.

Nah, it doesn't work like that. Plenty of people with 90%+ have only continued to go up as the match wore on. How high a percentage someone has, has no relation on their likelihood of dipping or rising in the day.


Ulti:
Stop everything you're doing and play RE4 start to finish right this minute.

Everyone says it's good, but survival horror has never really been my genre.

I just find it weird that a guy from one game can get 45% on Bowser. That means only 11/20 people on this site prefer Bowser. This is the type of result that could be turned around in a couple years...I doubt Leon has anywhere to go but down, but if he stars in another game he could go above Bowser, which would be very disturbing.
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