GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 384
| TehMissingLink | Posted 10/10/2006 4:57:32 PM | message detail |
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Make no mistake, Chrono Break starring Crono would boost him back
over Mario, where he belongs. Crono's second game would help him more
than Mario's 123456th game is going to help him, even if it is a big
one. I don't buy that at all. Super Mario Galaxy would be far bigger than Chrono Break could hope to be. There's no way I take Crono over Mario unless this "Chrono Break" game happens to be insanely good, feature Crono as a main character, and is just eaten up by tons of people. Mario is already stronger than Crono by a good bit -- and likely increasing the gap this year -- and knowing that Mario has a huge game coming down the pipeline doesn't exactly inspire that much confidence in Crono here. ...But this game isn't going to be coming for a long time, if ever, so yeah. A CT remake is far, far more likely than a new Chrono game. Square is way too fixated on using the "Final Fantasy" name to make them all their money these days. --- "Looking good, Princess, especially from this angle!" |
| wavedash101 | Posted 10/10/2006 4:58:55 PM | message detail |
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Chrono fans just want the freakin sequel or remake. How good it is
maybe a triviality. (Plus if Magus is in it, it automatically wins.
Woo!) Besides, from a sales and overall critical stand point, Square Enix hasnt dropped the ball on any of their recent releases, cept DoC, which was pretty much doomed to be hated on from the start. KHII, FFXII, DQVIII, FF3....Rocket Slime (Yes!) They have done a pretty good job. I wouldnt worry too much. (Glances at Cross) They have learned from their mistakes...>_> --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Board 8's Unofficial Master of the Phoenix Down |
| wavedash101 | Posted 10/10/2006 5:05:15 PM | message detail |
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I really doubt it would produce the sales -- or even feature Crono -- to give him this massive boost you're talking about. Well Crono starring or in a well liked role is what I am talking about. And if they made a new Chrono game, Crono would still boost just from the influx of Chrono fans to the site. No game is a bad game, unless its Shadow the Hedgehog...>_> A Chrono Trigger remake would likely produce optimal results obviously. And Chrono may gets his day in the sun sooner than you think. Square went back to the Mana series after all...why not Chrono? --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Board 8's Unofficial Master of the Phoenix Down |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/10/2006 5:07:13 PM | message detail |
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therealmnm Posted 10/10/2006 7:48:07 PM message detail #098 Chrono's game would actually have to be GOOD before I say he gets a huge boost. I could very well see Square dropping the ball on a new Chrono game as far as everyone's expectations for the game go. Chrono would boost in that situation, but it wouldn't be that much... After Cross, I don't think anybody is expecting much from a new Chrono game. TuRtLe ~~~ I used my brain and statistics to make my bracket. Karma Hunter used MGS fanboyism. KH won. Commit it to memory. |
| trannyscience | Posted 10/10/2006 5:09:04 PM | message detail |
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I don't buy that at all. Super Mario Galaxy would be far bigger than Chrono Break could hope to be. this doesn't matter at all. as far as contest strength goes, Crono's second game would be miles bigger than Mario's 45th or whatever. Crono is currently facing Mario with a whopping one game on his side. Mario's got dozens. it's really simple! --- xyzzy "12 percent of those who liked opera had experimented with magic mushrooms." - Reuters |
| wavedash101 | Posted 10/10/2006 5:09:37 PM | message detail |
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After Cross, I don't think anybody is expecting much from a new Chrono game. Which is good, so we can be awesomely surprised if it is good and be prepared for the disappointment if it isnt! ^_^ --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Board 8's Unofficial Master of the Phoenix Down |
| AmazingKirby | Posted 10/10/2006 5:11:44 PM | message detail |
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If Mario simultaneously released 42 games on every system, I would
still take Chrono Break Crono over him. It's really not that hard to
understand that everyone knows Mario and they either like them or they
don't. --- caps |
| Kaxon | Posted 10/10/2006 5:12:34 PM | message detail |
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Chrono has disappeared for a generation and Square right now is a
shell of what they used to be. I really doubt it would produce the
sales -- or even feature Crono -- to give him this massive boost you're
talking about. Square has been a shell of what they used to be - but they seem to be making a comeback bid. If FF XII is as good as it's supposed to be, and with KH2 already popular, they could be getting back on track after this year. ...But this game isn't going to be coming for a long time, if ever, so yeah. A CT remake is far, far more likely than a new Chrono game. Square is way too fixated on using the "Final Fantasy" name to make them all their money these days. Well, they're making Seiken Densetsu sequels and Front Mission sequels, so they could certainly make a Chrono sequel. --- ....TCELES B HSUP |
| Sir Auron | Posted 10/10/2006 5:14:05 PM | message detail |
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this doesn't matter at all. as far as contest strength goes, Crono's
second game would be miles bigger than Mario's 45th or whatever. Crono
is currently facing Mario with a whopping one game on his side. Mario's
got dozens. it's really simple! Link has dozens of games, Cloud only has one (main) game to his name! Is a FFVII remake or a new Final Fantasy spin-off featuring Cloud going to be enough to make you take Cloud over post-TP Link? A new Chrono game does not equate in a large boost at all. There are numerous factors that could make it not be big. Anyone hoping for an optimal Crono boost should hope he's in SSBB or something. |
| trannyscience | Posted 10/10/2006 5:15:04 PM | message detail |
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Link has dozens of games, Cloud only has one (main) game to his
name! Is a FFVII remake or a new Final Fantasy spin-off featuring Cloud
going to be enough to make you take Cloud over post-TP Link? quite probably, yeah. --- xyzzy "12 percent of those who liked opera had experimented with magic mushrooms." - Reuters |
| Sir Crono | Posted 10/10/2006 5:15:14 PM | message detail |
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Is a FFVII remake or a new Final Fantasy spin-off featuring Cloud going to be enough to make you take Cloud over post-TP Link? Yes. --- As you wish. |
| Sir Crono | Posted 10/10/2006 5:16:12 PM | message detail |
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Well, maybe not a spinoff, but a FFVII full remake with new content? Absolutely I'd take Cloud over Link. --- As you wish. |
| wavedash101 | Posted 10/10/2006 5:16:44 PM | message detail |
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You better believe I'd take post-remake Cloud over post-TP Link. FFVII
is the sites biggest game. A remake would have insane boosting effects,
it would be KH boost x 3! --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Board 8's Unofficial Master of the Phoenix Down |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 10/10/2006 5:17:01 PM | message detail |
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If we ever see a new game starring Crono that's as good as Chrono
Trigger, I'd be tempted to put him over Clinkeroth. CT's playership
rate is only ~70% (compared with 95% for just
SMB3), yet Crono is more or less even with Mario. A new game would
cause the number of people familiar with Crono to skyrocket, and at
least some of those people would presumably like Crono if the game was
as good as the site's third favorite game. A CT remake would do
somewhat less for him, but CT2 (as a straight-up sequel, not like
Cross) would be downright scary. --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Top100.pdf |
| Sir Auron | Posted 10/10/2006 5:17:02 PM | message detail |
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If Mario simultaneously released 42 games on every system, I would
still take Chrono Break Crono over him. It's really not that hard to
understand that everyone knows Mario and they either like them or they
don't. Everyone knows Link, too, and they have formed an opinion on him one way or another. That's not going to stop Link from distancing himself a ton from Cloud and Sephiroth with Twilight Princess. Well, they're making Seiken Densetsu sequels and Front Mission sequels, so they could certainly make a Chrono sequel. I'd sooner expect a CT remake, myself. Unless it was for a handheld, we'd be many years off from the release of a new Chrono game anyway. I'm not exactly certain why we're discussing this like it stands a possibility of happening anytime soon. --- "That's a cruel, rotten, disgusting idea -- and I love it!" |
| trannyscience | Posted 10/10/2006 5:17:29 PM | message detail |
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oh, I read that as a remake. if it was a full fledged game and not Dirge of Buster Sword or some nonsense, yeah. --- xyzzy "12 percent of those who liked opera had experimented with magic mushrooms." - Reuters |
| Sir Crono | Posted 10/10/2006 5:18:05 PM | message detail |
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A ton? No, not a ton. --- As you wish. |
| trannyscience | Posted 10/10/2006 5:18:34 PM | message detail |
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what are you expecting, Link > Cloud with 60% or something? --- xyzzy "12 percent of those who liked opera had experimented with magic mushrooms." - Reuters |
| Sir Crono | Posted 10/10/2006 5:19:13 PM | message detail |
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Well, this is the guy who thought Ganondorf could boost high enough to take the entire male bracket with Twilight Princess. --- As you wish. |
| Sir Auron | Posted 10/10/2006 5:20:03 PM | message detail |
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I've stated multiple times that I expect Link to beat Cloud with 55% after Twilight Princess. That is a rather big
gap when they're that strong. It's going to take something absolutely
massive for Link to ever have to worry about losing again after that.
Cloud probably doesn't even beat Link this year, with or without TP. --- "That's a cruel, rotten, disgusting idea -- and I love it!" |
| Sir Crono | Posted 10/10/2006 5:21:22 PM | message detail |
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So you're saying a full-fledged remake of FFVII for the PS3 isn't going
to be enough for Cloud to turn around a 55/45 match? Considering we
have a poll that indicates that people would BUY a PS3 solely for this, that's insane. --- As you wish. |
| trannyscience | Posted 10/10/2006 5:23:21 PM | message detail |
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Mario turned around a 53-47 match with Crono on the basis of what, SM64DS? you think a FF7 remake does nothing? --- xyzzy "12 percent of those who liked opera had experimented with magic mushrooms." - Reuters |
| Sir Auron | Posted 10/10/2006 5:23:33 PM | message detail |
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I wouldn't take Cloud over Link after a post-FFVII remake for a couple
of reasons. The first being that Link would have a couple of more games
to his name by the time that remake even rolled around and two being
that making up that gap would not be easy, regardless of whatever it
is. Does that match definitely become more debatable? Absolutely. Does
Cloud win? I don't think so. --- "That's a cruel, rotten, disgusting idea -- and I love it!" |
| wavedash101 | Posted 10/10/2006 5:23:35 PM | message detail |
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Well, this is the guy who thought Ganondorf could boost high enough to take the entire male bracket with Twilight Princess. There is a big difference between hype and the game actually being released. Even worse for Ganon is the fact that we have no idea what his role is. If we had some scans or info regarding him other then the fact that he will be in the game, Ganon might have done a bit better on Vin. --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Board 8's Unofficial Master of the Phoenix Down |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 10/10/2006 5:24:00 PM | message detail |
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Most people who would buy a PS3 for the remake are crazy rabid fans who are voting Cloud anyway. And a remake doesn't actually change Cloud at all. If you played FFVII and disliked Cloud, a prettier Cloud won't make you like him. It would draw in some new people, sure, but it wouldn't turn that match in Cloud's favor... --- Dancing with myself! Oh-oh! Dancing with myself! Oh-oh! And I'll sweat! Sweat! Sweat! Sweat! Sweat! Sweat! SWEAT! SWEAT! |
| AmazingKirby | Posted 10/10/2006 5:24:30 PM | message detail |
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Whoa. I thought Sir whoever was the same person and I said why does
this person think both Link and Cloud will win at the same time? --- caps |
| Sir Crono | Posted 10/10/2006 5:25:25 PM | message detail |
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Most people who would buy a PS3 for the remake are crazy rabid fans who are voting Cloud anyway. So...you're saying the two most popular series at all have NO OVERLAP WHATSOEVER? There aren't fans who are rabid about both? --- As you wish. |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 10/10/2006 5:27:54 PM | message detail |
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So...you're saying the two most popular series at all have NO OVERLAP WHATSOEVER? There aren't fans who are rabid about both? I'm not saying that at all, but the people crazy enough to pay 500 or 600 + 60 dollars for a remake of a game they've already played are probably already Cloud voters, or at the very least Cloud fans. Cloud doing the same thing he did in FFVII, but on a new system, shouldn't sway change anyone's vote. --- Dancing with myself! Oh-oh! Dancing with myself! Oh-oh! And I'll sweat! Sweat! Sweat! Sweat! Sweat! Sweat! SWEAT! SWEAT! |
| trannyscience | Posted 10/10/2006 5:28:15 PM | message detail |
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isn't the explanation for uber-Link in 2k4 usually the GC collector's edition disc? if that
can boost Link over Cloud like that, I'd think a full fledged remake on
a new system would be a lot, lot more. especially for a character
that's living off one or two games. but this is silly speculation.. so I'll just drop it. you can tell we're in the middle of a boring tripling. --- xyzzy "12 percent of those who liked opera had experimented with magic mushrooms." - Reuters |
| Sir Crono | Posted 10/10/2006 5:29:02 PM | message detail |
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at the very least Cloud fans. And perhaps they like Link about the same. The excitement that a FFVII remake would produce would be HUGE. --- As you wish. |
| wavedash101 | Posted 10/10/2006 5:29:47 PM | message detail |
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I wouldn't take Cloud over Link after a post-FFVII remake for a
couple of reasons. The first being that Link would have a couple of
more games to his name by the time that remake even rolled around and
two being that making up that gap would not be easy, regardless of
whatever it is. Does that match definitely become more debatable?
Absolutely. Does Cloud win? I don't think so. If a FF7 remake is in the works, I bet it releases before the next console Zelda. The handheld ones dont boost him nearly as much as a console game would (though this logic blurs somewhat in the face of the DS's rampage through the worldwide sales), but Zelda take a loooooong time to make. Look at TP. Got delayed a ton. FFVII is just a remake. Not nearly as time consuming as building a game from the ground up. And if Zelda Wii and FFVII Redux launch before what number contest, I still probably take Cloud. Look what bloody KH did. Its close, but the fact that FF7 will likely remain Gfaqs fav game for a long time makes me side with Cloud. --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Board 8's Unofficial Master of the Phoenix Down |
| red sox 777 | Posted 10/10/2006 5:29:51 PM | message detail |
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I've stated multiple times that I expect Link to beat Cloud with 55%
after Twilight Princess. That is a rather big gap when they're that
strong. It's going to take something absolutely massive for Link to
ever have to worry about losing again after that. Cloud probably
doesn't even beat Link this year, with or without TP. KH allowed Cloud and Seph to make up more ground than that; why wouldn't an FFVII remake do more? And considering FFVII is already very well known, more so than CT, I'd expect a CT remake or sequel to help Crono even more than an FFVII remake helps Cloud. --- "........!" ~Magus |
| Sir Crono | Posted 10/10/2006 5:30:01 PM | message detail |
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isn't the explanation for uber-Link in 2k4 usually the GC collector's edition disc? Either that, or a trailer for the biggest game he's had since Ocarina of Time. Either way, and it favors Cloud if the same were to happen to him. --- As you wish. |
| PortugalTheMann | Posted 10/10/2006 5:30:57 PM | message detail |
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Bringing this up from the old topic... ...Yes, and? I know this already, I referred to it, in fact. What I'm saying is, people are just dimsissing the possibility of a Crono decrease for no other reason than "It's been mentioned before every year", which is horrendous logic. Saying Crono is going to drop this year, has just as much validity as me randomly saying Sonic will drop this year. There has never been any indication of Crono decreasing, much like Sonic, both of them have just of good of a chance of randomly decreasing in strength this year. Simply because it's been another year, it doesn't matter, it's been another year every year, and yet Crono has shown he can withstand the test of time. --- Portugal. The Man Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| trannyscience | Posted 10/10/2006 5:31:21 PM | message detail |
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not to mention it'd bring fans to the site. it's not like crazy fanboys
are the ones only looking forward to buying a PS3 either. FF7 is ten
years old now. that's opening yourself up to a whole new generation. --- xyzzy "12 percent of those who liked opera had experimented with magic mushrooms." - Reuters |
| wavedash101 | Posted 10/10/2006 5:32:25 PM | message detail |
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but this is silly speculation.. so I'll just drop it. you can tell we're in the middle of a boring tripling. Well what else are we gonna do. I like this discussion. Whats wrong with speculating on future contests? --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Board 8's Unofficial Master of the Phoenix Down |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 10/10/2006 5:33:48 PM | message detail |
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. And perhaps they like Link about the same. The excitement that a FFVII remake would produce would be HUGE. And the percentage of people who like Cloud and Link pretty much the same amount, but previously voted for Link that will then be tipped to Cloud's side due to temporary excitement seems like it would be pretty small. And up until then Link will be getting more and more games pushing more people to his side, and giving Cloud more ground to make up. At the very least Link would have Twilight Princess, Phantom Hourglass, and Super Smash Bros. Brawl before a FFVII remake could come out. --- Dancing with myself! Oh-oh! Dancing with myself! Oh-oh! And I'll sweat! Sweat! Sweat! Sweat! Sweat! Sweat! SWEAT! SWEAT! |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/10/2006 5:33:51 PM | message detail |
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Whats wrong with speculating on future contests? What if there aren't any? :( --- Crono vs. Falcon / Bracket: Crono / Vote: Falcon (26/28) Tomorrow / Bracket: Bowser / Vote: Bowser |
| Haste_2 | Posted 10/10/2006 5:35:03 PM | message detail |
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Okay... If a Chrono remake that features Crono comes around, and it
manages to be a multi-million seller (and better than CC), I think
Crono would boost more than Cloud would ever hope to from any new game
for him. FF7's already the most popular thing at GameFAQs, and it is
widely acknowledged by mainstream, unlike CT...there's just not of room
for Cloud to grow anymore. If that Chrono game gets released and
doesn't do so hot, I could definitely understand Crono not getting much
benefit, though. That said, an FF7 remake would most likely boost Cloud enough to beat even a post-TP Link. --- Sign the Petition for more stats in the GameFAQs Contests here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=30693799 |
| Sir Crono | Posted 10/10/2006 5:35:30 PM | message detail |
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And the percentage of people who like Cloud and Link pretty much the
same amount, but previously voted for Link that will then be tipped to
Cloud's side due to temporary excitement seems like it would be pretty
small. I ain't talkin' about temporary excitement, but Cloud would do his best if the match happened very soon after the game was released. However, that's true for anyone. --- As you wish. |
| wavedash101 | Posted 10/10/2006 5:35:38 PM | message detail |
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What if there aren't any? :( With the traffic the site is receiving from these contests, I highly doubt they will stop doing them. --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Board 8's Unofficial Master of the Phoenix Down |
| Draco1214 | Posted 10/10/2006 5:36:05 PM | message detail |
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I'm more interested in seeing what SSBB will do to Solid Snake once it hits. --- Character Battle V Score - 26/28 points Current Prediction - Crono vs. Captain Falcon |
| Sir Auron | Posted 10/10/2006 5:37:38 PM | message detail |
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isn't the explanation for uber-Link in 2k4 usually the GC collector's edition disc? I'm far more inclined to think it was the most shocking trailer for Link's biggest game that did that. I wouldn't take Cloud over Link after a post-FFVII remake for a couple of reasons. The first being that Link would have a couple of more games to his name by the time that remake even rolled around and two being that making up that gap would not be easy, regardless of whatever it is. Does that match definitely become more debatable? Absolutely. Does Cloud win? I don't think so. If a FF7 remake is in the works, I bet it releases before the next console Zelda. The handheld ones dont boost him nearly as much as a console game would (though this logic blurs somewhat in the face of the DS's rampage through the worldwide sales), but Zelda take a loooooong time to make. Look at TP. Got delayed a ton. Twilight Princess is an exception as opposed to the rule. Zelda games do take a while to create -- mostly because it's the same internal development team making them all -- but with TP, it's Nintendo's largest and most expensive game to date. They have put more time and resources in Twilight Princess more than they have any other game in their history. It makes sense that they would want to get it down just right. A Final Fantasy VII remake has not even been confirmed to be in development. We saw a tech demo, similar to FFVIII with the PS2 and Zelda with the GCN, and have not seen anything come out of that. If a FFVII remake it coming, I would bet it's at least three years off. Another Zelda game coming out before or around that time would be likely, and then you can add in the DS game to that. Needless to say, a FFVII remake hardly guarantees that match is going Cloud's way. We still are uncertain on just how much Twilight Princess is going to affect Link and how large a game it will end up being here. It could very well exceed expectations for both of these things. And if Zelda Wii and FFVII Redux launch before what number contest, I still probably take Cloud. Look what bloody KH did. Its close, but the fact that FF7 will likely remain Gfaqs fav game for a long time makes me side with Cloud. I'm not sure why people point to Kingdom Hearts and then point to how something should do at least that. Kingdom Hearts exposes Cloud to an entirely different fanbase. It was not the typical Final Fantasy fans buying that game. They got introduced to these Final Fantasy characters through that game. It's why Crono appearing in SSBB would do far more than just another Chrono game release. Crono is guaranteed to hit millions of people who aren't likely too knowing of him. --- "That's a cruel, rotten, disgusting idea -- and I love it!" |
| wavedash101 | Posted 10/10/2006 5:38:26 PM | message detail |
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I'm more interested in seeing what SSBB will do to Solid Snake once it hits. Should be interesting unless MM and Sonic are playable characters as well. I dont think that gets Snake anywhere in that scenario. --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Board 8's Unofficial Master of the Phoenix Down |
| Sir Crono | Posted 10/10/2006 5:38:56 PM | message detail |
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| Sir Crono | Posted 10/10/2006 5:39:28 PM | message detail |
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I'm far more inclined to think it was the most shocking trailer for Link's biggest game that did that And the release of an actual trailer for the FFVII remake would undoubtedly have a large effect, no? --- As you wish. |
| trannyscience | Posted 10/10/2006 5:39:56 PM | message detail |
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I don't think KH and FF are as distinct as you think. just look at
Sora-Aeris. and if they are so distinct, I'd feel better about Auron
> Crono than I would Bowser > Crono. --- xyzzy "12 percent of those who liked opera had experimented with magic mushrooms." - Reuters |
| Sir Auron | Posted 10/10/2006 5:42:27 PM | message detail |
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And the release of an actual trailer for the FFVII remake would undoubtedly have a large effect, no? Not anywhere near enough to change the deficit, but yeah, it would probably be worth a good bit. It at least gets people excited knowing it's more than a tech demo...but it needs to become more than a tech demo. --- "That's a cruel, rotten, disgusting idea -- and I love it!" |
| Sir Crono | Posted 10/10/2006 5:43:35 PM | message detail |
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And then the actual release makes up the rest! --- As you wish. |
| Sir Auron | Posted 10/10/2006 5:44:17 PM | message detail |
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Four years later after the next Zelda game has come along? Hah! --- "That's a cruel, rotten, disgusting idea -- and I love it!" |