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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 382

UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/8/2006 10:36:40 PM | message detail
From Ed Bellis Posted 10/9/2006 1:35:08 AM #047
Off-topic, I'm with Ulti. Columbus is the biggest slave trader in world history and one of the greatest war criminals that ever lived. How and why we celebrate his very existence disgusts me.

It's America. Celebrating warhawks is nothing new, but we must make sure that we're the only country allowed to do it. It's unbelievably sad.

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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/8/2006 10:37:27 PM | message detail

And if you doubt that so much, do you think Mario characters just will never increase again or something? Because they sure as hell aren't going to turn into amazingly deep characters. >>


Mario could increase after every new Mario game (I say could because he's already so popular now that it will take something extraordinarily huge to make him any noticably stronger). The other characters from that universe just have to have roles in games and be playable in the game. While Luigi is playable in NSMB after the main game, he has no role at all other than to be a different colored Mario. If he was playable during the main game, then I wouldn't be surprised at all with this result.
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Janus5000 | Posted 10/8/2006 10:38:06 PM | message detail
...We get Columbus Day off? >_>
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/8/2006 10:38:06 PM | message detail
War criminal? Slave trader?

The guy was looking for a shorter route to India. He can't be held responsible for what people did with what he discovered.

That would be like blaming Albert Einstein if North Korea nuked South Korea

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/8/2006 10:38:20 PM | message detail
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Looks like that 50-50 update was just people that caught Smith's topic.

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vash_131 | Posted 10/8/2006 10:38:49 PM | message detail
You guys almost had me fooled in picking Zero. Please don't rely on x-stats ever again.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 10/8/2006 10:39:07 PM | message detail

Zero's one bad match in his entire contest career. I wasn't too quick to believe it. Now, I realize it must have been completely right, and then some!


And that's what matters. What happened in 2004 or 2003 is completely irrelevant. What matters is what he did recently and that was end up very close to Luigi in 2005. Using his old performances is the equivalent of saying Gordon shouldn't be trusted thanks to GFNW or that he lost to Tina Armstrong.

I'm not against it. I just don't see how Mario version 2 is going to boost this much because of a role after the main game is finished.

It's not all the role, you know. I've said that plenty of times.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/8/2006 10:39:48 PM | message detail
I have to say it before going to bed.

LOL, X-Stats.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/8/2006 10:39:55 PM | message detail
XD

Poor Zero =(

He doesn't deserve this, unless Luigi is suddenly a near-elite, which is win-win for everyone but my bracket.

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Pikawil100 | Posted 10/8/2006 10:40:04 PM | message detail
Do you think Wario or Yoshi would boost because of NSMB?

He only needs Yoshi's Island 2.
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Janus5000 | Posted 10/8/2006 10:40:27 PM | message detail
COMEBACK WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/8/2006 10:40:43 PM | message detail
From vash_131 Posted 10/9/2006 1:38:49 AM
You guys almost had me fooled in picking Zero. Please don't rely on x-stats ever again.

RIKU > YOSHI!!!!!!!!!
SORA > MEGAMAN!!!!!!!!!!!
MASTER CHIEF > CHRONO!!!!!!!!!!!!11

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Heroic Mario | Posted 10/8/2006 10:40:48 PM | message detail
Zero actually won an update.


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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/8/2006 10:41:06 PM | message detail
Update win!

Time for bed.

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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 10/8/2006 10:41:17 PM | message detail
1500 vote swing begins out of nowhere >_>
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/8/2006 10:41:20 PM | message detail
And Zero finally wins an update!

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SecksThaNemesis | Posted 10/8/2006 10:42:15 PM | message detail
COMEBACK WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE

This made me laugh way more than it should have.

>XD
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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/8/2006 10:42:52 PM | message detail

And that's what matters. What happened in 2004 or 2003 is completely irrelevant. What matters is what he did recently and that was end up very close to Luigi in 2005. Using his old performances is the equivalent of saying Gordon shouldn't be trusted thanks to GFNW or that he lost to Tina Armstrong.


It's not so much as what he did, but his reputation. Zero was considered an elite character in these, and Luigi wasn't. Also, there was a chance that Mario/Zero was screwy, so I had a reason to believe Zero was underrated.
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Zero_Kuribo | Posted 10/8/2006 10:43:37 PM | message detail
Spark!

Goooo Zero! Till to the end! Its not over till its over >_<!

Guaaaaaaaaaah!
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/8/2006 10:44:13 PM | message detail
I wouldn't get your hopes up. That update was just Luigi going down and Zero staying constant.

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Redtooth | Posted 10/8/2006 10:44:16 PM | message detail
I only hope this winning update isn't a fluke/stuff. I want a match to end with <1000 vote difference...

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Heroic Mario | Posted 10/8/2006 10:44:46 PM | message detail
It's not so much as what he did, but his reputation. Zero was considered an elite character in these, and Luigi wasn't. Also, there was a chance that Mario/Zero was screwy, so I had a reason to believe Zero was underrated.

Guess what kind of reputation Gordon Freeman had? Always losing. He was always supposed to be fodder until his most recent year in 2005 where he was actually worth something. He may have been a bit too high then, but his "reputation" led many people to pick against him. It's a similar thing here except on the opposite end of the spectrum.

And Mario/Zero was only mentioned because Zero dropped and it was a way to try to explain why that was. It was always sketchy at best.

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Janus5000 | Posted 10/8/2006 10:45:40 PM | message detail
Whoops. False alarm. Go back to sleep.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 10/8/2006 10:45:43 PM | message detail
Big update win for Luigi there!

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Zero_Kuribo | Posted 10/8/2006 10:45:53 PM | message detail
I still hold strong.

To the end of time! And he still lives dangnabit!
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/8/2006 10:46:41 PM | message detail
Gordon boosting was the result of a popular game that was the first he had in 6 (?) years.

I don't think anybody expected Zero to drop/Luigi to boost as much as they did.

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XxSoulxX | Posted 10/8/2006 10:47:45 PM | message detail
He was always supposed to be fodder until his most recent year in 2005 where he was actually worth something. He may have been a bit too high then, but his "reputation" led many people to pick against him. It's a similar thing here except on the opposite end of the spectrum.

But Gordon had a reason to increase drastically in 2005 (hello Half-Life 2!). Zero didn't have a reason to drop, which is why I thought it was fishy in the first place.

Either way, time for bed. Thanks for killing my bracket on my B-day Zero!
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/8/2006 10:48:09 PM | message detail
Also, how odd would it be if there was a massive day vote swing in a match that by all means shouldn't have one while matches like Ganon/Vincent stayed relatively consistant?

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Zero_Kuribo | Posted 10/8/2006 10:48:37 PM | message detail
I would also Figure Seeding would have to do something with this.

but Luigi has boosted quite a bit and Zero lowered even with that.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 10/8/2006 10:49:13 PM | message detail
People are greatly overexaggerating how much of a boost this gives Luigi. The match isn't over yet and the percentage could very well go down to around 52%. That Vincent projection was when Luigi was around 56% on Zero.


With Luigi having 54.74% on Zero right now, assuming Zero remained constant, this puts Luigi in between Vincent and Squall in 2005 and slightly above Kirby.

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Zero_Kuribo | Posted 10/8/2006 10:49:19 PM | message detail
Happy B-day Soul <_<
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Zero_Kuribo | Posted 10/8/2006 10:49:57 PM | message detail
And the match isnt over.

Its only been 2 freggin hours.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/8/2006 10:50:27 PM | message detail
I don't see why we're still assuming this will be the final percentages. I'd wager that, if Zero still somehow won, that these early ideas of Zero dropping more would still be lingering because we're all so god-damned incessant on trying to predict "the truth" instantly by the update and we've said it entirely too much this first bit of the match.

I'm still saying Zero makes this a good deal closer guys. If I'm right, please, this "ZERO DROPPED WAY TOO MUCH / LUIGI CAN'T GAIN FROM BEING A SECRET CHARACTER" drama has gotta stop.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 10/8/2006 10:50:30 PM | message detail
But Gordon had a reason to increase drastically in 2005 (hello Half-Life 2!). Zero didn't have a reason to drop, which is why I thought it was fishy in the first place.

You never need a reason to drop. It wasn't like he fell off the map either; he decreased 2% from 2004.

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Gaddswell | Posted 10/8/2006 10:50:41 PM | message detail
Happy B-day Soul
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Ed Bellis | Posted 10/8/2006 10:51:21 PM | message detail
WAAAAHH SECRET CHARACTER WAAAHHHH
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Zero_Kuribo | Posted 10/8/2006 10:53:16 PM | message detail
Besides, Luigi isnt known for keeping an early percentage at the end..

This match could become another dandy here in the board of board 8.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 10/8/2006 10:53:30 PM | message detail
And on that subject, I do ask -- how many times people have played through a Mario game? Replaying through a Mario game again is one of the most unshocking things in the world. It's Mario, you better be replaying those games multiple times. What better way to do that than with Luigi to spice it up? And people needing to know the code? Well this is GameFAQs!!

Oh yeah.

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Heroic Mario | Posted 10/8/2006 10:54:36 PM | message detail
Besides, Luigi isnt known for keeping an early percentage at the end..

From what I gathered before the match, he almost always gains percentage during the day after losing some during the night hours, especially against Tifa.

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Zero_Kuribo | Posted 10/8/2006 10:55:40 PM | message detail
Do you even need to beat NSMB to even play as Luigi? Cant you figure it out by sheer dumb luck acctually? Playing as Luigi in NSMB isnt rocket science....
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/8/2006 10:57:27 PM | message detail
...yeah, Luigi gains nicely in the day, while Zero lost it to...Hayabusa, Lloyd Irving, Mario, Tommy Vercetti...

...he dipped a bit against Protoman for chrissakes. <_<
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Ed Bellis | Posted 10/8/2006 11:00:01 PM | message detail
So does that mean Luigi actually stands to gain in the day from this? Or does it just mean that Zero won't get anything extra?
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Heroic Mario | Posted 10/8/2006 11:01:18 PM | message detail
You just press L + R and press A to select a file. Nothing all that difficult.

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Lieutenant Kettch | Posted 10/8/2006 11:04:21 PM | message detail
From what I gathered before the match, he almost always gains percentage during the day after losing some during the night hours, especially against Tifa.

Eh, I'd say Tifa is a night character. She got absolutely destroyed by Sonic in the morning, from 52% to 57%.

I expect Zero to cut the percentage quite a bit, win some updates. Don't think he'll be coming back though.
Heroic Mario | Posted 10/8/2006 11:06:22 PM | message detail
It wasn't just against Tifa, but that was where he saw the biggest gain from the day vote. Zero tends to do better during the night than during the day from previous results, too. The percentage will probably still come down a tad, but a comeback is pretty much long gone at this point and this dropping significantly is probably out of the question too.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/8/2006 11:08:22 PM | message detail
Yeah, I expected this to be Zero's best time and all he's doing is making random stalls and the occasional update...but heck, I wouldn't be surprised if Luigi increased his percentage once we hit daytime.

If Zero can bring it down, I'll be much less skeptical on him keeping constant, however.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/8/2006 11:08:27 PM | message detail
Hmmm, I'm having a very interesting conversation with MarkSmith.

He claims there are dozens of people using his stuffing method for every close match in the last few contests.

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Ed Bellis | Posted 10/8/2006 11:09:13 PM | message detail
And George Romero claimed that he was almost singlehandedly responsible for every close match in the history of contests. Some people just say things.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 10/8/2006 11:10:11 PM | message detail
He claims there are dozens of people using his stuffing method for every close match in the last few contests.

...Yeah. Right.

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HaRRicH | Posted 10/8/2006 11:20:22 PM | message detail
Behold, a Romero wanna-be. Yeesh.
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