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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 381
| HaRRicH | Posted 10/8/2006 4:40:13 PM | message detail |
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I do too -- it's the other guy you're thinkin' of. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| therealmnm | Posted 10/8/2006 4:41:05 PM | message detail |
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I still don't buy Yoshi outperforming Luigi by 5% on Pac-Man meaning nothing.
Sure, they are SFF matches... but it's not like Luigi's and Yoshi's
fanbases are drastically different to the point where their preference
for Pac-Man is different. --- Currently playing: Grand Theft Auto 3, Castlevania:Curse of Darkness, Mega Man ZX |
| EvenMyROgetsB7 | Posted 10/8/2006 4:41:18 PM | message detail |
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Oh right, I always mix you and KH up. Sorry !! --- I'm so hardcore. |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 10/8/2006 4:43:43 PM | message detail |
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I mean...it's Zero. This is the guy who's known for the noble nine sweat, and now he's going to lose to Luigi? Trying to bank on what he did in the past as opposed to what he did most recently is something I think is going to end up biting a lot of people. Yes, Zero has been impressive in the past, but that doesn't mean he's a lock or anything because of that. Luigi ended up extremely close to him last year and has plenty of reason to go up there year. The combination of increased DS ownership and the huge success of New Super Mario Bros. should give him a very nice, noticeable boost. This match is definitely going to be close and Zero could easily lose this match. The fact that he went close with Sonic in 2003 is almost completely a non-factor at this point. It's like trying to say that because Gordon Freeman lost to Tina Armstrong in 2002 that he was going to get a scare from Phoenix Wright. Performances that took place years ago don't hold any water in comparison to what they did most recently. --- "Master using it and you can have this." http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/160/masterjg3.jpg |
| EvenMyROgetsB7 | Posted 10/8/2006 4:44:09 PM | message detail |
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I still don't buy Yoshi outperforming Luigi by 5% on Pac-Man meaning
nothing. Sure, they are SFF matches... but it's not like Luigi's and
Yoshi's fanbases are drastically different to the point where their
preference for Pac-Man is different. Well that's where rSFF comes into place. Luigi is vastly preferred to Yoshi outside the Mario fanbase. In matches against other opponents, Luigi gets the same core Mario fanbase vote as Yoshi, but he has the ability to bring in more outside fans. Among the Mario fanbase, Yoshi is vastly preferred to any Mario character, I'd call for serious Yoshi overperformance on Mario btw, making it possible for him to do better on Luigi, even beat him. It's basically the same theory with Samus. Samus is more liked by people outside the Nintendo fanbase, but the Ninty fanbase still gets behind her. Put her up against another Ninty character, and she loses her advantage. --- I'm so hardcore. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 10/8/2006 4:45:55 PM | message detail |
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I agree with mnm in that it means something...but how I take it is that
the comparison made there only mattered in 2k4. Luigi obviously shot up
in 2k5, obviously being stronger than before and outdoing projections
for Yoshi by both Pac-Man and Laharl last year...so then, factoring in
that Yoshi beat Luigi in 2k4, I think that fits much more than that
Luigi is still weaker than Yoshi based off of Pac-Man. In other words, let Luigi/Pac-Man have a rematch and I think Luigi would match or beat Yoshi's score on him. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| EvenMyROgetsB7 | Posted 10/8/2006 4:46:30 PM | message detail |
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I don't think Luigi shot up so much as he was finally given a fair chance. --- I'm so hardcore. |
| transience | Posted 10/8/2006 4:48:47 PM | message detail |
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Squall wasn't a fair chance? I'd think that was as fair as Tifa. --- Query "Results" failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ' WHERE Gordon.IsWinner = True AND Predic || Winner: Strider Hiryu - 57.11% |
| HaRRicH | Posted 10/8/2006 4:49:59 PM | message detail |
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The fair chance definitely helps, but Luigi still gets almost 5% more
on Squall in 2k5 than he did in 2k3. Luigi still outdoes projections
for Yoshi by Laharl and Pac-Man, and noticably at that. There had to be
a boost somewhere in that. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| transience | Posted 10/8/2006 4:50:00 PM | message detail |
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and remember, last year people were thinking about taking KOS-MOS
over Luigi. he boosted so high in one year that I can't help but think
he's overrated. I won't count him out, but it sure looks weird to go
from a projected 60%+ victory two years in a row to a 51% one. --- Query "Results" failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ' WHERE Gordon.IsWinner = True AND Predic || Winner: Strider Hiryu - 57.11% |
| EvenMyROgetsB7 | Posted 10/8/2006 4:50:32 PM | message detail |
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Squall wasn't a fair chance? I'd think that was as fair as Tifa. This is the second time today I've needed to remind you of Link/Samus SFF. --- I'm so hardcore. |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 10/8/2006 4:50:43 PM | message detail |
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Luigi clearly shot up in 2005. Between
the overall voter shift combined with Super Mario 64 DS, his boost was
pretty much warranted. Luigi 2k5 was a very different Luigi from what
we usually see. Because of that, plenty of people are all suspect of
Luigi's strength and doubt his ability to beat Zero and so forth. --- "Master using it and you can have this." http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/160/masterjg3.jpg |
| AmazingKirby | Posted 10/8/2006 4:50:58 PM | message detail |
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Tomorrow, we will have weekend vote totals because it's Labor Day and everyone is off from school! --- caps |
| transience | Posted 10/8/2006 4:51:30 PM | message detail |
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Labor Day? in October?! --- Query "Results" failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ' WHERE Gordon.IsWinner = True AND Predic || Winner: Strider Hiryu - 57.11% |
| charmander6000 | Posted 10/8/2006 4:52:07 PM | message detail |
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Match XVIII: (2) Luigi Mario vs. (7) Zero Contest History Luigi Mario Summer 2003 Defeated Ratchet, 74.54% - 25.46% Lost to Squall Leonhart, 39.79% - 60.21% Ranked: 30th Summer 2004 Defeated Pac-Man, 67.73% - 32.27% Lost to Yoshi, 45.52% - 54.48% Ranked: 41st Summer 2005 Defeated KOS-MOS, 66.00% - 34.00% Lost to Tifa Lockhart, 46.64% - 53.36% Ranked: 20th Zero Summer 2003 Defeated Scorpion, 62.84% - 37.16% Lost to Sonic the Hedgehog, 47.66% - 52.34% Ranked: 14th Summer 2004 Defeated Protoman, 71.72% - 28.28% Defeated Tommy Vercetti, 61.84% - 38.16% Lost to Mega Man, 43.99% - 56.01% Ranked: 10th Summer 2005 Defeated Ryu Hayabusa, 63.00% - 37.00% Defeated Lloyd Irving, 73.25% - 26.75% Lost to Mario, 37.14% - 62.86% Ranked: 18th Analysis: Luigi is from the Super Mario Bros. series. When Luigi first came to the contest there was high hope for him to be like his brother. He was suppose to storm through his 4-pack and give even Samus a run for her money. The first round went as planned, but with the power of Kingdom Hearts Squall was able to destroy Luigi and respect for him was dramatically lost. It wasn’t until 2k5 before Luigi was able to redeem himself by keeping it fairly close with Tifa when it was thought that Tifa would steamroll through him. Zero is from the Mega Man X series. Unlike Luigi Zero has been impressive in his contest career keeping it close with Sonic, avoiding SFF against Mega Man and doing fairly well against a stronger Mario. Zero may be the lower seed by a lot, but on the board he is the favorite to take the match. This match really hasn’t gotten a lot of talk, especially since it will be the last time we’ll see an interesting match for a while. For the first time ever Luigi isn’t behind any sort of SFF or other weird factors, Zero on the other hand does. There has been some calls of SFF in Mario/Zero because if Mega Man can SFF and get SFF by Nintendo characters then why couldn’t Zero? Well looking at Zero 2k3 because 2k4 Zero may have gotten SFF by Mega Man it looks like any SFF was kept to a minimal. Then again Zero is behind 2k3 Sonic which was his weakest year compare to his other years, but if you look at that year Knuckles and Tails also took a drop so something weird happening in Cloud/Sonic doesn’t look so good. All in all if Zero is weaker than he looks it probably isn’t by much, but that may be all he needs to keep Luigi from winning. There is also a sense that Zero may be weaker than what the stats say. Earlier this round we saw Hayabusa losing to Dante by worse than he lost to Zero, despite Zero being stronger than Dante last year. Then again Dante did have DMC3: SE released so that may have explained why. Also staying on the same subject all of Zero’s opponents took a drop in strength the year after they versed him, namely Scorpion and Vercetti, but they did have their own reasons to drop so it could be a coincidence. Luigi may have choked at matches that he has a chance at winning, but hopefully he doesn’t do that in this match. The real reason why I took Luigi to win the match was because I knew this was going to be really close so I decided to go with my favorite between the two. As for voting patterns I don’t see much difference between Luigi and Zero so if one of them does get a good enough lead it could be over before morning hits. charmander6000’s Bracket: Luigi Mario over Zero charmander6000’s Prediction: Luigi wins, 50.62% - 49.38% --- "I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush |
| EvenMyROgetsB7 | Posted 10/8/2006 4:52:33 PM | message detail |
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Woah, and here I was thinking OoT was popular and tomorrow was the day Columbus slaughtered Indians. --- I'm so hardcore. |
| AmazingKirby | Posted 10/8/2006 4:52:44 PM | message detail |
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Labor Day! Columbus Day! I live in America and I don't even know the difference! --- caps |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 10/8/2006 4:53:35 PM | message detail |
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Isn't tomorrow Columbus Day or something? --- "Master using it and you can have this." http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/160/masterjg3.jpg |
| charmander6000 | Posted 10/8/2006 4:53:46 PM | message detail |
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Tomorrow, we will have weekend vote totals because it's Labor Day and everyone is off from school! It's Thanksgiving here in Canada, but US gets it next month. --- "I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush |
| transience | Posted 10/8/2006 4:54:25 PM | message detail |
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This match really hasn’t gotten a lot of talk, especially since it
will be the last time we’ll see an interesting match for a while. Master Chief begs to differ! --- Query "Results" failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ' WHERE Gordon.IsWinner = True AND Predic || Winner: Strider Hiryu - 57.11% |
| Master Moltar | Posted 10/8/2006 4:54:55 PM | message detail |
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I still think there was something weird in Tifa/Luigi, but I don't
doubt that Luigi boosted...I guess we'll find out for reals tommorrow! --- Moltar Status: Feeling good and hot-blooded. Kirby vs. The Prince - Bracket: Kirby - Vote: Kirby (24/26) |
| charmander6000 | Posted 10/8/2006 4:55:18 PM | message detail |
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Master Chief begs to differ! I'm expecting him to underperform, but be in no danger to lose. --- "I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 10/8/2006 4:55:43 PM | message detail |
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Besides, even if Luigi was overrated slightly in 2006, there's the clear fact that Luigi 2k6 > Luigi 2k5 anyway~! --- "Master using it and you can have this." http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/160/masterjg3.jpg |
| transience | Posted 10/8/2006 4:55:46 PM | message detail |
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name me a MC match that wasn't interesting! --- Query "Results" failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ' WHERE Gordon.IsWinner = True AND Predic || Winner: Strider Hiryu - 57.11% |
| HaRRicH | Posted 10/8/2006 4:56:08 PM | message detail |
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NEW AK MOMENT!!! Heh. The increased DS ownership will really have to show off its worth tomorrow though. Considering its three biggest games are SM64DS, MKDS, and NSMB...Luigi has reason to boost from the DS ownership rising as much as anybody not named Mario. I think if Luigi loses, then the DS factor won't be worth considering for other matches since this match is already practically 51-49 by the stats. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| xp1337 | Posted 10/8/2006 4:56:10 PM | message detail |
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From transience | Posted 10/8/2006 7:55:46 PM name me a MC match that wasn't interesting! MC/Aeris Though that's the only one. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? SC2k6 (024/026) Kirby v Prince |
| xp1337 | Posted 10/8/2006 4:57:11 PM | message detail |
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Or maybe MC/Crash. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? SC2k6 (024/026) Kirby v Prince |
| HaRRicH | Posted 10/8/2006 4:58:15 PM | message detail |
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MC/Crash was great. MC/CATS was boring though. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| EvenMyROgetsB7 | Posted 10/8/2006 4:58:57 PM | message detail |
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Besides, even if Luigi was overrated slightly in 2006, there's the clear fact that Luigi 2k6 > Luigi 2k5 anyway~! TIME PARADOX --- I'm so hardcore. |
| xp1337 | Posted 10/8/2006 5:00:02 PM | message detail |
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I'm waiting for MC to underperform on Sub-Zero, and then go on to make a close match v Auron. DK = Auron in the X-Stats! --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? SC2k6 (024/026) Kirby v Prince |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 10/8/2006 5:01:09 PM | message detail |
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I clearly meant 2005! --- "Master using it and you can have this." http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/160/masterjg3.jpg |
| transience | Posted 10/8/2006 5:01:28 PM | message detail |
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MC/CATS was awesome for the first couple of hours. CATS stayed at 40%
for like an hour straight. it also started the DK > MC bandwagon. --- Query "Results" failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ' WHERE Gordon.IsWinner = True AND Predic || Winner: Strider Hiryu - 57.11% |
| EvenMyROgetsB7 | Posted 10/8/2006 5:02:28 PM | message detail |
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I wish PoP could have had an easier opponent, but one pretty much no
one would have picked him over, except me, THEN WHEN YOU ALL GOT BURNED
I WOULDN'T GIVE YOU ANY OINTMENT. --- I'm so hardcore. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 10/8/2006 5:02:44 PM | message detail |
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Or MC destroys Subbie, and then gets destroyed by Auron by enough to make Auron look like a threat to Crono. You never know with the Chief! --- Moltar Status: Feeling good and hot-blooded. Kirby vs. The Prince - Bracket: Kirby - Vote: Kirby (24/26) |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 10/8/2006 5:03:28 PM | message detail |
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Or MC destroys Subbie, and then gets destroyed by Auron by enough to make Auron look like a threat to Crono. I'm liking this! --- "Master using it and you can have this." http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/160/masterjg3.jpg |
| transience | Posted 10/8/2006 5:04:34 PM | message detail |
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MC and destroys? does not compute! --- Query "Results" failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ' WHERE Gordon.IsWinner = True AND Predic || Winner: Strider Hiryu - 57.11% |
| HaRRicH | Posted 10/8/2006 5:06:12 PM | message detail |
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How about if Reptile takes Sub-Zero's spot and destroys MC worse than
he beats Auron before thrashing Crono and losing to Sonic in a
respectable fashion? --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 10/8/2006 5:07:06 PM | message detail |
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How about we go back in time and make sure Mortal Kombat never plagues the world? --- "Master using it and you can have this." http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/160/masterjg3.jpg |
| Draco1214 | Posted 10/8/2006 5:08:10 PM | message detail |
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I don't get the MC/Sub-Zero hype. I usually sell Halo short in these
things (even though I had Halo > CV, my oracle was something like
52% for Halo) and even I don't think Sub-Zero has much of a chance
here. For one simple reason. I wouldn't take Sub-Zero over Donkey Kong. MC wins. --- Character Battle V Score - 25/26 points Current Prediction - Kirby vs. The Prince of Persia |
| HaRRicH | Posted 10/8/2006 5:09:08 PM | message detail |
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WE SAW HOW MANY PEOPLE TOOK SCORPION OVER PAC-MAN TOO M I RITE --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 10/8/2006 5:09:09 PM | message detail |
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I wouldn't take Sub-Zero over Donkey Kong. MC wins. Same here. --- "Master using it and you can have this." http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/160/masterjg3.jpg |
| xp1337 | Posted 10/8/2006 5:09:11 PM | message detail |
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I wouldn't take Sub-Zero over Donkey Kong. MC wins. Would you take him over Felix? 2k3 Strikes Back! --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? SC2k6 (024/026) Kirby v Prince |
| Draco1214 | Posted 10/8/2006 5:11:52 PM | message detail |
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I'll admit he underperforms against characters that are supposed to be weaker than him, but did he actually lose to them? He didn't lose to Felix or Donkey Kong. --- Character Battle V Score - 25/26 points Current Prediction - Kirby vs. The Prince of Persia |
| therealmnm | Posted 10/8/2006 5:12:58 PM | message detail |
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But Master Chief is going to disappoint
no matter who he faces. There still is a good chunk of this site that
don't care for the Xbox or Master Chief whatsoever whose votes Sub-Zero
will welcome with open arms. --- Currently playing: Grand Theft Auto 3, Castlevania:Curse of Darkness, Mega Man ZX |
| transience | Posted 10/8/2006 5:13:15 PM | message detail |
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there's not much difference between 51% and 49%, ya know. --- Query "Results" failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax. Check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near ' WHERE Gordon.IsWinner = True AND Predic || Winner: Strider Hiryu - 57.11% |
| xp1337 | Posted 10/8/2006 5:14:34 PM | message detail |
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From Draco1214 | Posted 10/8/2006 8:11:52 PM I'll admit he underperforms against characters that are supposed to be weaker than him, but did he actually lose to them? He didn't lose to Felix or Donkey Kong. Oh, I think MC will never have his win in doubt, I just need a new bandwagon to jump on before Sonic winning the Male Bracket. --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? SC2k6 (024/026) Kirby v Prince |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/8/2006 5:42:18 PM | message detail |
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Samus Aran – 41.69% Mega Man – 38.79% Sonic the Hedgehog – 38.50% Solid Snake – 36.97% Vincent Valentine – 35.58% Squall Leonhart – 35.16% Kirby – 34.99% Dante Sparda – 34.12% Ganondorf – 33.74% Princess Zelda – 33.71% Tifa Lockhart – 33.57% Aeris Gainsborough – 32.81% Sora – 32.00% Ryu – 29.98% Yoshi – 29.01% The Prince of Persia – 26.68% Rikku – 26.55% Yuna – 26.10% Riku – 25.99% Kratos – 25.72% Gordon Freeman – 25.60% Chun-Li – 24.92% Ryu Hayabusa – 23.75% Jill Valentine – 23.74% Princess Peach – 23.50% Axel – 23.37% The Boss – 23.00% Phoenix Wright – 21.40% KOS-MOS – 21.30% Marle – 19.83% Tidus – 19.68% Kairi – 19.39% Terra Branford – 18.65% Ada Wong – 18.64% Claire Redfield – 18.58% Sheena Fujibayashi – 18.03% Celes Chere – 17.90% Lara Croft – 16.75% Joanna Dark – 16.50% Ivy Valentine – 15.99% Tingle – 15.61% Kasumi – 15.58% Sarah Kerrigan – 15.41% Nidoran F – 15.13% CATS – 14.82% Amy Rose – 14.73% Lenneth Valkyrie – 13.28% Soma Cruz – 13.20% Cortana – 13.12% Roll – 10.81% Carmen Sandiego – 9.38% Jade – 9.00% Princess Daisy – 7.94% Alyx Vance – 7.52% --- Captain Jack Sparrow's Run to the NCAA Character Contest II Championship: Week 2: W, 52-14 vs. Etna |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/8/2006 5:55:28 PM | message detail |
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Silly people thinking Master Chief can beat any opponent of strength with any sort of ease! Sub-Zero > DK! Believe it. --- Captain Jack Sparrow's Run to the NCAA Character Contest II Championship: Week 2: W, 52-14 vs. Etna |
| wavedash101 | Posted 10/8/2006 6:01:23 PM | message detail |
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lol at Kirby being above Dante (lol ertyu) and both being above Ganondorf. --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Board 8's Unofficial Master of the Phoenix Down |
| AmazingKirby | Posted 10/8/2006 6:04:50 PM | message detail |
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The Prince of Persia – 26.68% Rikku – 26.55% WHAT YOU SAY!! --- caps |