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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 381
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| SecksThaNemesis | Posted 10/8/2006 9:59:40 PM | message detail |
| It's just one of those things to me that I
couldn't fathom people actually liking that pansy Mario clone more than
****ing Zero.... GameFAQs proves me wrong yet again... --- Sometimes it's darkest just before dawn. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/8/2006 10:00:14 PM | message detail |
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Zero will probably bring the % down some during the day, and Zero was only projected to win with 51%. 51% is hardly a lock. It's not a lock -- and like I said, I'm not so arrogant as to see the stat upset in all this -- but this is just a collapse on Zero's part. He's not even putting up a fight against the nose-picker. =P --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| Janus5000 | Posted 10/8/2006 10:00:21 PM | message detail |
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"Well it's Luigi, if he's not able to beat Zero, not many people should be able to." The thing is, not many people should beat Zero. <.< --- "Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." http://www.scorehero.com/scores.php?user=2916&diff=4 |
| AmazingKirby | Posted 10/8/2006 10:00:35 PM | message detail |
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No one that voted against Mario and Luigi because of their 500 games
over the last 20 years, is going to suddenly vote for them because of
some new game. --- caps |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/8/2006 10:00:50 PM | message detail |
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Man, these are weird voting patterns. TuRtLe ~~~ I used my brain and statistics to make my bracket. Karma Hunter used MGS fanboyism. KH won. Commit it to memory. |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 10/8/2006 10:00:55 PM | message detail |
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Yoshi had Super Mario 64 DS, yet he seemed to benefit perhaps the
least out of any Nintendo character in 2005. I ain't sold on NSMB
boosting Luigi significantly for that reason alone. He benefited, according to the stats, by 2% from SM64DS. Luigi increasing by that amount here wouldn't be surprising. You're all really just wanting to cut Luigi short no matter what. He wasn't supposed to be this high -- maybe even overrated, right? -- to begin with and he certainly wasn't supposed to beat Zero. Now that he is, it must be Zero dropping more than Luigi increasing thanks to the latest big Mario game. Come on. =/ --- "Master using it and you can have this." http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/160/masterjg3.jpg |
| EvenMyROgetsB7 | Posted 10/8/2006 10:01:42 PM | message detail |
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It's just one of those things to me that I couldn't fathom people
actually liking that pansy Mario clone more than ****ing Zero....
GameFAQs proves me wrong yet again... See, and I was the exact opposite. I couldn't see Zero beating friggin' Luigi. I'm not saying he's some kind of powerhouse, or trying to sound cocky, just putting my thoughts out there. I feared that Zero was capable of taking the 4-pack many times, but I never was scared enough to contemplate taking Zero > Luigi. ...I swear to god if my bracket ends up being perfect from here on out, and Ganon's run is the only wrong thing, I'm going to slaughter HM. --- I'm so hardcore. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/8/2006 10:02:23 PM | message detail |
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I dunno, the Mario franchise had been pretty lack-luster since SM64.
Sunshine was pretty damn forgettable, and their only real succesful
appearances were the Smash Bros. games. Although all this Nintendo boosting makes me wonder what a beast Snake will be after Brawl and MGS4... TuRtLe ~~~ I used my brain and statistics to make my bracket. Karma Hunter used MGS fanboyism. KH won. Commit it to memory. |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 10/8/2006 10:03:20 PM | message detail |
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No one that voted against Mario and Luigi because of their 500 games
over the last 20 years, is going to suddenly vote for them because of
some new game. Yeah. Because the last game that Luigi had before 2004 was, what, Luigi's Mansion? Is it surprising that Luigi -- and even Mario -- have increased since the release of Super Mario 64 and New Super Mario Bros.? Because I don't. This isn't a matter of getting new fans or changing the opinion of the character for them. Mario, Luigi, and all those types of characters would boost depending on what kind of games they have out at the time and how good they are. Mario games have been amazing lately. It has been quite a while since we saw Mario really kicking ass. NSMB is already easily looking to eclipse any Mario game released since Super Mario 64. --- "Master using it and you can have this." http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/160/masterjg3.jpg |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/8/2006 10:03:23 PM | message detail |
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We're not trying to cut Luigi short, we're just trying to figure out what the hell is going on here. TuRtLe ~~~ I used my brain and statistics to make my bracket. Karma Hunter used MGS fanboyism. KH won. Commit it to memory. |
| EvenMyROgetsB7 | Posted 10/8/2006 10:03:28 PM | message detail |
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He benefited, according to the stats, by 2% from SM64DS. Luigi
increasing by that amount here wouldn't be surprising. You're all
really just wanting to cut Luigi short no matter what. He wasn't
supposed to be this high -- maybe even overrated, right? -- to begin
with and he certainly wasn't supposed to beat Zero. Now that he is, it
must be Zero dropping more than Luigi increasing thanks to the latest
big Mario game. Come on. =/ Eh, I don't think Luigi boosted all of that much, and if this match stays where it is, and the % doesn't come down, I'm definitely attributing this to Zero getting weaker more than Luigi boosting. It could be both, but I don't see Luigi suddenly boosting like crazy, and I've always said his value last year was completely legit. --- I'm so hardcore. |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 10/8/2006 10:03:31 PM | message detail |
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So you want to compare a completely insignificant appearance at the
end of the game where you do not even play as Yoshi over a widely known
code that you enter on a save file to play as Luigi. And then ignoring
the fact that it's the next big Mario game to release. That's just
going to do nothing for Luigi? Why would people play through NSMB after beating it already? To uncover secrets or to get some coins, most likely. If they have to enter a code everytime to play as Luigi, who is THE EXACT SAME as Mario, then what is the point of continually playing as him? Why would he boost if he does absolutely nothing in the game but be a green Mario? And you can talk about the code being popular and all that, but you still have to realize that not everybody goes back to finish the entire game after they beat it. And even then, for those that do, a few of them won't know about the code, or just not care enough to do it. And after all those people are cleared, there's the people who have played as Luigi, and found him to be absolutely pointless in the game. Could he have boosted because of this? Probably. Thinking he boosted to being this strong is absolutely crazy (even more crazy then taking Ganon over the male bracket). --- - Why the hell did I bet against a character as deep, awesome and badass as Lara Croft, instead favouring a character from something as lame as HL2? Forgive me, XIII. |
| Gaddswell | Posted 10/8/2006 10:03:54 PM | message detail |
| Damn it! I had the Nintendo (or more Nintendo
alligned) characters all winning in the debated matches (With Kirby
> Luigi, Phoenix > Gordon, Ganondorf > Vincent) and the one
pick that people ended up making me change was Kirby > Luigi into
Zero > Kirby. And since all those matches end up going against
Nintendo, I started to feel better about this change. Then this happens
and Luigi > Kirby becomes a possibility. My bracket got burned bad.
I took every upset I shouldn't have and didn't take any that I
should've. On a more positive note, Yoshi and Luigi were always my 2 favourite Mario characters, so it's good to see Luigi winning. Too bad this is going to cost me 3 points. Also, I'd like to make a BOLD prediction here. Since Mario isn't in the main bracket, Luigi is becoming a Mario proxy of sorts and is technically taking Mario's place. I'm predicting Luigi to turn into Neo-Mario, and will be able to keep it very close with Sonic or maybe even beat him. This is probably as close as were going to get to having a Mario vs Sonic match. --- By the time we localize the programs, kids don’t even know they’re from Japan any more. - 4Kids CEO Al Kahn |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 10/8/2006 10:04:45 PM | message detail |
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Why would he boost if he does absolutely nothing in the game but be a green Mario? You obviously don't know what it feels like to be a Luigi supporter. Having him in a major game period is awesome nowadays. --- Do you really need me to bring out the stats?- Azp2k32 on why Zero would double Luigi |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 10/8/2006 10:04:45 PM | message detail |
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We're not trying to cut Luigi short, we're just trying to figure out what the hell is going on here. By primarily wanting to place blame on Zero decreasing. Can Zero decrease? Certainly. If he did in 2005, he can do it again in 2006. Is it going to be drastic? I really doubt it. In all likelihood, this is Luigi increasing some from NSMB and Zero decreasing some. That produces some nice, reasonable results. --- "Master using it and you can have this." http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/160/masterjg3.jpg |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/8/2006 10:05:25 PM | message detail |
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He benefited, according to the stats, by 2% from SM64DS. And if we assume that, not at ALL from the Nintendo boost. Luigi increasing by that amount here wouldn't be surprising. To me it would. Not shocking perhaps, but it certainly surprised me. You're all really just wanting to cut Luigi short no matter what. He wasn't supposed to be this high -- maybe even overrated, right? -- to begin with and he certainly wasn't supposed to beat Zero. Now that he is, it must be Zero dropping more than Luigi increasing thanks to the latest big Mario game. Come on. =/ But how high do you expect Luigi to get? I've prided myself on calling Luigi correctly for many years, and if anything I've overestimated him a lil' -- but I'm still having trouble picking him in a rematch with Yoshi. And yeah, I am confident in Kirby now...so, yeah! BRING IT ON GREEN MAN IN GREEN --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/8/2006 10:05:55 PM | message detail |
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If Luigi comes even remotely close to Sonic, I'll feel much better about Zero getting destroyed like this. TuRtLe ~~~ I used my brain and statistics to make my bracket. Karma Hunter used MGS fanboyism. KH won. Commit it to memory. |
| Big Bob | Posted 10/8/2006 10:07:19 PM | message detail |
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If you remember, I once said that Sonic would lose to Mr. Game and Watch due to SSB. Luigi's even more dangerous. --- "My opinion matters more to me than yours does." - Ulti |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/8/2006 10:07:41 PM | message detail |
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Why would he boost if he does absolutely nothing in the game but be a green Mario? Someone needs to post a link to that Luigi vs Bill Gates video. Luigi is a complete badass, though he doesn't hold a candle to ZELLLLLLLLLLLO!!!!!11 in that regard TuRtLe ~~~ I used my brain and statistics to make my bracket. Karma Hunter used MGS fanboyism. KH won. Commit it to memory. |
| HoorayProxies | Posted 10/8/2006 10:07:59 PM | message detail |
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By primarily wanting to place blame on Zero decreasing. Can Zero
decrease? Certainly. If he did in 2005, he can do it again in 2006. Is
it going to be drastic? I really doubt it. In all likelihood, this is
Luigi increasing some from NSMB and Zero decreasing some. That produces
some nice, reasonable results. I'll agree with that. I still think Kirby > Luigi, but a lot closer than before. But how high do you expect Luigi to get? I've prided myself on calling Luigi correctly for many years, and if anything I've overestimated him a lil' -- but I'm still having trouble picking him in a rematch with Yoshi. And yeah, I am confident in Kirby now...so, yeah! BRING IT ON GREEN MAN IN GREEN And once again, I still easily take Yoshi > Luigi, yet Luigi performs better on 5 random Nintendo characters. Looking at those favorite mario characters polls, it's pretty obvious that Yoshi is going to be able to net some serious rSFF against Mario characters. If Luigi comes even remotely close to Sonic, I'll feel much better about Zero getting destroyed like this. Luigi's not getting there sweetheart. --- Hooray Beer, Hooray Proxies! |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 10/8/2006 10:08:35 PM | message detail |
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Why would people play through NSMB after beating it already? To
uncover secrets or to get some coins, most likely. If they have to
enter a code everytime to play as Luigi, who is THE EXACT SAME as
Mario, then what is the point of continually playing as him? Why would
he boost if he does absolutely nothing in the game but be a green Mario? Why do people insist on referring to Luigi as Mario in green? The days of Luigi being Mario in green have long passed. The two have different types of personalities and each have a plenty of their own fanbase. You have people who love Luigi and don't care about Mario. And the fact that he is playable only reinforces that he should receive a boost from this. The primary reason is because it is the latest Mario game that was received extremely well by fans and critics alike. It sold extremely well and it is on the hottest system out right now. Despite all this, you find it that hard to imagine Luigi increasing? No one is saying he has to be above Vincent 2k5, but he's not that far off. Honestly, this match isn't that shocking to some of us here --- "Master using it and you can have this." http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/160/masterjg3.jpg |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/8/2006 10:08:37 PM | message detail |
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Just when you think NintendoFAQs is dying, this happens. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Now Playing: Disgaea 2, PW:AA, KH:COM (Sora), Castlevania: LoI |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 10/8/2006 10:09:09 PM | message detail |
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You have people who love Luigi and don't care about Mario. *raises hand* --- Do you really need me to bring out the stats?- Azp2k32 on why Zero would double Luigi |
| HoorayProxies | Posted 10/8/2006 10:10:03 PM | message detail |
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Why do people insist on referring to Luigi as Mario in green? The days of Luigi being Mario in green have long passed. The two have different types of personalities and each have a plenty of their own fanbase. You have people who love Luigi and don't care about Mario. Luigi and Mario are obviously pallete swaps while Scorp/Subby are completely different characters, that's why! --- Hooray Beer, Hooray Proxies! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/8/2006 10:11:39 PM | message detail |
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NintendoFAQs was never dying. Square is finally just getting their
asses in gear a little to help keep pace. Even if it is just KH2, that
helps a lot when they've done nothing for years... --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| Redtooth | Posted 10/8/2006 10:12:39 PM | message detail |
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Maybe it proves that this site *gasp* isn't
completely biased towards one company. Rather, it seems there are two
competing major factions with some success. Kind of like the US right
now. If nothing else, the fanboys could equal those specific american
voters who can't think outside their own party for the life of them. That, and Snake would make an awesome Ross Perot. --- Z1mZum>Redtooth Nice list, I counted twenty that would be in my top ten - BlondeAfroHero7 |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 10/8/2006 10:13:29 PM | message detail |
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And if we assume that, not at ALL from the Nintendo boost. Guess who else apparently didn't gain from the Nintendo Boost? Yep -- Samus. We just simply cannot say for certain how much he gained. What if the adjustments weren't enough (I don't necessarily believe this, but to throw it out there)? What if he did only gain 2%? I mean, mercy, it's not like he has to gain the most or even as much as Luigi or anyone else. But how high do you expect Luigi to get? I've prided myself on calling Luigi correctly for many years, and if anything I've overestimated him a lil' -- but I'm still having trouble picking him in a rematch with Yoshi. And yeah, I am confident in Kirby now...so, yeah! BRING IT ON GREEN MAN IN GREEN Taking Yoshi over Luigi has nothing to do with Luigi's indirect strength. I said before that if Luigi was indirectly equal to Yoshi in 2004, I would not have been surprised. Yoshi maybe still edges out Luigi in a rematch despite not being indirectly stronger. We have seen how the Mario fanbase prefers Yoshi by far when it comes to matches with Mario characters...except for Bowser. Hell, maybe Luigi's finally jumped into that status! Luigi of the past is not Luigi of the present and that's what really is confusing people. I think Luigi/Squall is much closer, Luigi/Tifa is possibly debatable, and Yoshi/Luigi is debatable, though an edge to Yoshi. --- "Master using it and you can have this." http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/160/masterjg3.jpg |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 10/8/2006 10:14:16 PM | message detail |
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Luigi and Mario are obviously pallete swaps while Scorp/Subby are completely different characters, that's why! Clearly!! --- "Master using it and you can have this." http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/160/masterjg3.jpg |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 10/8/2006 10:14:38 PM | message detail |
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Let's compare votals! 1:10 Vincent/Ganondorf: 12667 1:10 Luigi/Zero: 13086 Wow. --- Do you really need me to bring out the stats?- Azp2k32 on why Zero would double Luigi |
| Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 10/8/2006 10:14:53 PM | message detail |
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| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 10/8/2006 10:15:20 PM | message detail |
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Just when you think NintendoFAQs is dying, this happens. I said this in that other topic, but I'll say it again. Most places Luigi would probably beat Zero. The secondary character of the entire Mario series >> The secondary character of like 1/4 or 1/3 of the Mega Man series. --- Dancing with myself! Oh-oh! Dancing with myself! Oh-oh! And I'll sweat! Sweat! Sweat! Sweat! Sweat! Sweat! SWEAT! SWEAT! |
| consolefreak | Posted 10/8/2006 10:15:32 PM | message detail |
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But what's with these people now talking about Kratos 2k5 being
Prince's floor? Easy as hell to say that this morning when Prince was
getting 37%. Where were these people before the match? And yet now
they're all vocal and stuff? OK :) Actually, I've said PoP > Kratos often, even before the bracket was released. --- CB: 27/27. Today: Luigi vs. Zero. Tomorrow: Crono vs. Captain Falcon. |
| HoorayProxies | Posted 10/8/2006 10:16:02 PM | message detail |
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That's how hott Luigi is. Seriously though, this match hasn't changed
my mind on one thing about this contest... except that Luigi is
slightly stronger than last year, and Zero may have continued his drop.
--- Hooray Beer, Hooray Proxies! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 10/8/2006 10:16:33 PM | message detail |
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That, and Snake would make an awesome Ross Perot. Snake (pointing to a chart): And this obviously illustrates why the Nintendo/Square oligaronopoly needs to be kept in check by my randomly appearing in SSBB! And of course my VP candidate should be coming along shortly, isn't that right running mate? Dante: This party's gettin' crazy! Snake: The Konami/Capcom party, that is. VOTE SNAKE/DANTE IN '08!!! --- *kills self* Commit it to memory. |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 10/8/2006 10:16:45 PM | message detail |
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LUIGI > KIRBY. BELIEVE. --- "Master using it and you can have this." http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/160/masterjg3.jpg |
| HoorayProxies | Posted 10/8/2006 10:17:13 PM | message detail |
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Actually, I've said PoP > Kratos often, even before the bracket was released. Yes, forget Luigi, time to talk about PoP's greatness again! The best thing about this match is the whining, I actually think it's worse than PW/GF. --- Hooray Beer, Hooray Proxies! |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 10/8/2006 10:17:46 PM | message detail |
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Well, yeah, Zero was the favorite here. Not so much for Phoenix. --- Do you really need me to bring out the stats?- Azp2k32 on why Zero would double Luigi |
| somdude04 | Posted 10/8/2006 10:17:53 PM | message detail |
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Actually, I think distancing himself from Luigi's mansion is what is making him gain, not NSMB. GJ --- Me last Halloween: http://photos-808.facebook.com/ip003/profile/656/83/n9202808_15143.jpg |
| Zero_Kuribo | Posted 10/8/2006 10:17:53 PM | message detail |
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All this is result of Zero depowering, and Luigi finnally showing his true power after that horrid square dominated year. I hold no regret, scince I like Luigi. If anyone ended Zero's run early im at least glad it was him. --- No sig is worthy enough to hold the Awesomeness of Kuribo's Shoe. *Shoenin_Kakashi's Alt* |
| Tequilla Gundam | Posted 10/8/2006 10:17:56 PM | message detail |
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Luigi SFFs Zero :( --- Scooped in a coupe, Snoop we got news/Your girl was trickin' while you was draped in your county blues I ain't been out a second/And already gotta do some mutha****in chin checkin |
| HoorayProxies | Posted 10/8/2006 10:18:04 PM | message detail |
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Snake: The Konami/Capcom party, that is. VOTE SNAKE/DANTE IN '08!!! Best. Combo. Ever. --- Hooray Beer, Hooray Proxies! |
| SecksThaNemesis | Posted 10/8/2006 10:18:30 PM | message detail |
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--- Sometimes it's darkest just before dawn. |
| HoorayProxies | Posted 10/8/2006 10:18:42 PM | message detail |
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Well, yeah, Zero was the favorite here. Not so much for Phoenix. Once again someone projected to win 51/49, and then losing, is not OMG NO WAI SHOCKING! --- Hooray Beer, Hooray Proxies! |
| Zero_Kuribo | Posted 10/8/2006 10:18:59 PM | message detail |
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And looking at Kirby's preformance agianst the prince, I expect Luigi to beat him with relative ease, including SSF. --- No sig is worthy enough to hold the Awesomeness of Kuribo's Shoe. *Shoenin_Kakashi's Alt* |
| Redtooth | Posted 10/8/2006 10:19:10 PM | message detail |
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I don't think I'll vote against Dante or Snake ever again. --- Z1mZum>Redtooth Nice list, I counted twenty that would be in my top ten - BlondeAfroHero7 |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 10/8/2006 10:19:42 PM | message detail |
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Pshaw. No need for third party alliances - keep it in the company! Snake/Alucard, yo! --- Mustache...and green... http://www.rit.edu/~zmb0386/Top100.pdf |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/8/2006 10:19:54 PM | message detail |
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See, the thing about SquareFAQs or NintendoFAQs is that the boards are
heavily Square biased while everyone else is more Nintendo biased. That's why alot of the noob bracketeers who come through here say "omg another lame FF character wins" whereas board users would say "omg another lame nintendo character wins". It's really quite funny how so many people can be so asshatted. TuRtLe ~~~ I used my brain and statistics to make my bracket. Karma Hunter used MGS fanboyism. KH won. Commit it to memory. |
| XxSoulxX | Posted 10/8/2006 10:20:08 PM | message detail |
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Why do people insist on referring to Luigi as Mario in green? The days of Luigi being Mario in green have long passed. The two have different types of personalities and each have a plenty of their own fanbase. You have people who love Luigi and don't care about Mario. I'm not talking about in other games. I'm talking about in NSMB. Is Luigi any different from Mario at all in that game? Really? One is red and one is green, and that's about all that is different between the two. And the fact that he is playable only reinforces that he should receive a boost from this. The primary reason is because it is the latest Mario game that was received extremely well by fans and critics alike. It sold extremely well and it is on the hottest system out right now. Despite all this, you find it that hard to imagine Luigi increasing? No one is saying he has to be above Vincent 2k5, but he's not that far off. Honestly, this match isn't that shocking to some of us here Calling Luigi close to Vincent is INCREDIBLY shocking to me, after seeing the past 4 or 5 contests. Luigi is nowhere near as strong as Ganondorf or Bowser, or Yoshi for that matter. Now, all of a sudden, he becomes stronger then Zero (who some believed could beat Ganondorf on a good day a few years ago), because of NSMB? I'm telling you, if you believe that Luigi boosted that much because of NSMB, then Bowser over Crono should be close to a lock, as everyone has fought Bowser at least twice in that game, while only a few people have played as Luigi. --- - Why the hell did I bet against a character as deep, awesome and badass as Lara Croft, instead favouring a character from something as lame as HL2? Forgive me, XIII. |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 10/8/2006 10:20:12 PM | message detail |
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LUIGI > THIS FOURPACK! --- "Master using it and you can have this." http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/160/masterjg3.jpg |
| SecksThaNemesis | Posted 10/8/2006 10:20:14 PM | message detail |
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Sephiroth > All. --- Sometimes it's darkest just before dawn. |