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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 380

shadow8021 | Posted 10/7/2006 12:56:22 PM | message detail
"I won't be worried about Zero no matter what Kirby does. Luigi is the bigger threat to him."

That's exactly what I've been thinking. Whoever wins Luigi/Zero will prolly win the fourpack, unless Luigi gets under the same hex the Bowser did against Kirby.
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creativename | Posted 10/7/2006 12:58:53 PM | message detail
Bowser/Kirby are overrated in the standings, but I'm pretty sure Kirby is stronger than Luigi.

I don't think Luigi can really beat Zero, but Kirby can.
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 10/7/2006 1:03:37 PM | message detail
3500 vote lead.

Out of the range for random variation. Hooray, NintendoFAQs hath fallen.
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Dark115 | Posted 10/7/2006 1:05:52 PM | message detail
If all of this keeps up I may actually get out of the first round with a perfect for the first time. Hopefully Zero/Luigi is the only possible upset left in the first round
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/7/2006 1:23:42 PM | message detail
Percentages by hour:
0:00-1:00 – 50.07%
1:00-2:00 – 50.64%
2:00-3:00 – 53.64%
3:00-4:00 – 54.43%
4:00-5:00 – 54.50%
5:00-6:00 – 56.17%
6:00-7:00 – 55.15%
7:00-8:00 – 54.20%
8:00-9:00 – 50.35%
9:00-10:00 – 50.23%
10:00-11:00 – 50.16%
11:00-12:00 – 50.36%
12:00-13:00 – 51.32%
13:00-14:00 – 52.26%


That makes this win look more dominating than it feels, heh.


As for Kirby/PoP tomorrow...as long as Kirby gets the doubling, I'm not going to worry on his behalf -- PoP just has a big range, and statistically it's on Luigi and Zero to catch him, anyway, no matter if Kirby's a bit over-rated from last year or not.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/7/2006 1:25:52 PM | message detail
won't be worried about Zero no matter what Kirby does. Luigi is the bigger threat to him.

There's no reason to believe this. Luigi has never looked better than Kirby.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/7/2006 1:27:25 PM | message detail
*gets home from work*

Well, so much for this being a photo finish.

lol ganondorf

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HaRRicH | Posted 10/7/2006 1:28:54 PM | message detail
Hell, neither Luigi nor Yoshi has ever looked better than Kirby at that.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/7/2006 1:30:22 PM | message detail
Chances of taking the fourpack by KH probability!

Zero - 70%

I'm fairly sure Zero's got this one in the bag right now, and this is coming from someone who has Kirby taking the pack. It's hard to see Luigi and/or Kirby preferred over the penultimate badass known as Zero...

Kirby - 20%

But Kirby could still pull it out...there's a reason I took him in the first place.

Luigi - 9.99%

Luigi's in the worst spot of all. He's got a tough enough time against Zero, and even if he can win and is indirectly stronger than Kirby, I think that's still the best case scenario for Kirby. If the puffball can rSFF Bowser to 48% (which is what supposedly overrates him), what stops him from rSFFing Luigi to victory?

The Prince - 0.01%

I rig the poll.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/7/2006 1:31:00 PM | message detail
Hopefully this match will shut up all the "lol nintendofaqs" asshats for good.

Square is still damn popular around here. And with people like Dante and Kratos on the rise, the site is turning into something that's a far cry from the "ZOMG FF7!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111" days of olde.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/7/2006 1:32:43 PM | message detail
Yeah, Luigi being better than Kirby is a stretch.

2002

45% on Jill Valentine vs Nothing

2003

48% on Alucard vs 40% on Squall

2004

45% on Squall vs 45% on Yoshi

2005

48% on Bowser vs 47% on Tifa

...yeah, I ain't worried about Kirby if Luigi beats Zero.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/7/2006 1:33:23 PM | message detail
Although this match is over, it will still be interesting to see how Vincent performs against Snoic, to give us some kind of accurate reading on these two.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/7/2006 1:34:39 PM | message detail
If Luigi manages to beat Zero, I will be shocked. I would consider it an exposing on par with Magus/Knuckles in terms of "WTF?"

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longbladeofhiko | Posted 10/7/2006 1:38:02 PM | message detail
Zero will never lose to Luigi. Never.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 10/7/2006 1:38:03 PM | message detail
Eh, all that has to happen is Zero not needing an adjustment (hardly shocking) and Luigi being where he was in 2005. He should probably get a boost from NSMB, too.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/7/2006 1:39:37 PM | message detail
Eh, all that has to happen is Zero not needing an adjustment (hardly shocking)

With arguably the third piece of evidence that the Devil Division wasn't overrated and everything that could have gone funky in Dante/Hayabusa plus a potentially stronger Dante, I would consider it a surprise.
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DGZFIGHTERS | Posted 10/7/2006 1:40:19 PM | message detail
This doesn't make any sense, why would Gannondorf lose after the boost?

Especially after Zelda, the series, and Zelda, the character, each won their tournament and match with such domination.

Did we over-estimate Gannondorf's popularity, under-estimate Vincent's possible boost from DoC or both?

Cause I thought this is a pretty big anomaly considering how dominant Zelda has been so far.

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Big Bob | Posted 10/7/2006 1:40:52 PM | message detail
I think Luigi definitely stands a chance.

Lemme put it this way: Dante outdid the Xstats on Ryu by a few good points, despite Ryu being behind Zero/Mario "SFF". That means that perhaps Zero wasn't SFF'd, and that his ranking is legitimate. Luigi DID do rather well on Tifa...

So my fourpack is Kirby > Luigi > Zero.
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BDawg | Posted 10/7/2006 1:43:23 PM | message detail
Oh Ganon you failed and yet Sonic will just have to clean up your mess. As for Kirby, well I KNOW series doesn't equal character and yet...I just can't get the beating it took (and he's the title character no less) from the Metroid "juggernaut" that let Pokemon hang in there. He just screams fraud and yet he will probably win the four pack just to screw me.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/7/2006 1:44:16 PM | message detail
People just assumed that Zelda boosted since 2k5 because of what we saw of it in the series contest. Of course, we had never had a series contest before, so drawing that conclusion was hardly substantiated (although an understandable reaction given how many of the board's brackets got slaughtered thanks to Zelda).

I'm saying it now -- a BOLD PREDICTION, if you will -- there is no second Nintendo boost. This was a perfectly reasonable outcome, and looking at the most recent stats Vincent was the clear favorite. There were other potential intangibles at work, of course, but this isn't some radical anomaly at work here.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/7/2006 1:48:29 PM | message detail
Eh, saying there won't be a second boost when the Wii won't be coming out midcontest isn't that bold of a prediction. It's what I would've expected. It was the launch date that had me worried when filling out my bracket.
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creativename | Posted 10/7/2006 1:49:03 PM | message detail
If the puffball can rSFF Bowser to 48% (which is what supposedly overrates him)

It's Bowser/Snake that overrates him.

there is no second Nintendo boost.

Not until after the Wii comes out. There should be one then, though it may take some time for the Wii boost to come into its own.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/7/2006 1:53:28 PM | message detail
It's Bowser/Snake that overrates him.

Well, there are people around here who think Kirby performed a little too well against Bowser.
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 10/7/2006 1:56:05 PM | message detail
Kirby/Bowser was never the problem. Bowser/Snake is.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/7/2006 1:56:31 PM | message detail
I've got Luigi > Zero, and I'm retaining my faith in a close match. Last year's stats show Zero beats Luigi by 51.19%, and Luigi should have all the intangibles...

--Nintendo > Capcom / SMB and/or SSB > MMX (and MK shouldn't be too far off from MMX)
--more well-known/iconic
--more recent big release
--huge seed/bracket advantage
--much improved DS ownership since last year
--hype for Nintendo's Wii puts Nintendo in a more favorable light
--last year Luigi's 2/7-match should have been close, and it certainly wasn't
--Mega Man and Zero both got lower than expected seeds this year, and (though it may have been all Axel) Mega Man failed to impress

...add to it (again) that they're close as of last year, and I don't feel bad with Luigi. It should be a great match either way and Zero has good reason to win...but I'm not looking back with Luigi given what we've seen and what we got right now.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/7/2006 1:57:51 PM | message detail
The more I think about it, the more I think Bowser/Snake is a lot more legitimate than we thought. Ganondorf losing today may not be saying bad things about Ganon and more about saying things about Vincent.

All will be revealed next round. From a statistical point, round 2 will have a lot of validation of potentially fishy 2k5 matches, and better ideas on where characters stood after a couple of surprising round 1 results.

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dragoontheguy | Posted 10/7/2006 1:59:44 PM | message detail
Vincent is doing very well right now. Did he have a major role in kh2? If so that could have brought him way up with the day vote. If he can finish with over 52% I seriously wouldn't doubt his ability to beat sonic.

I'm surprised that vincent's day vote has improved so much, but that can only mean good things for him against sonic.
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When D... I'd be able to finish this sig if Z1mZum didn't own me so hard in the guru contest. Congrats on your victory!
Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/7/2006 2:00:04 PM | message detail
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/7/2006 2:00:09 PM | message detail
Vincent wasn't in KH2.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 10/7/2006 2:03:08 PM | message detail
Vincent wasn't in KH2.

I remember hearing last contest that he was going to be... huh, that's strange. Now I'm just flat out confused about his day vote. >_>

How well did Advent Children sell in english?
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When D... I'd be able to finish this sig if Z1mZum didn't own me so hard in the guru contest. Congrats on your victory!
Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/7/2006 2:03:54 PM | message detail
Vincent is doing worse than what the LOL X-stats says, but he's still winning :D
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/7/2006 2:04:42 PM | message detail
Vincent never had a bad day vote! Look at all of Crono's matches and tell me losing the day vote to him is a bad thing.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/7/2006 2:05:48 PM | message detail
--Nintendo > Capcom / SMB and/or SSB > MMX (and MK shouldn't be too far off from MMX)

SMB came close to beating Final Fantasy. Doesn't mean I'd take Mario over Cloud.

--more well-known/iconic

This iconicness didn't help him against Yoshi or Tifa

--more recent big release

Ok, KRATOS > RYU!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111

--huge seed/bracket advantage

Ok, SORA > MEGA MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111

--much improved DS ownership since last year

Which would help Zero as well

--hype for Nintendo's Wii puts Nintendo in a more favorable light

Ok, GANON > VINCENT!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111

--last year Luigi's 2/7-match should have been close, and it certainly wasn't

Ok, DANTE > SNAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111

--Mega Man and Zero both got lower than expected seeds this year, and (though it may have been all Axel) Mega Man failed to impress

Ok, MASTER CHIEF > CHRONO 2k5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Heroic Mario | Posted 10/7/2006 2:07:04 PM | message detail

How well did Advent Children sell in english?


1.4 million a month after its release in America.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/7/2006 2:07:22 PM | message detail
Um...Turtle, he was just giving his reasons for his pick. Most, if not all, are completely valid (though I don't agree).

Sure, you should be upset, but that's because he failed to take the TOP 100 LIST INTO ACCOUNT !!
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/7/2006 2:12:41 PM | message detail
NO MMX OR EVEN MMX GAMES MADE THE DROP-DOWN BOX SO LUIGI WILL SHUT OUT ZERO
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/7/2006 2:18:28 PM | message detail
--much improved DS ownership since last year
--hype for Nintendo's Wii puts Nintendo in a more favorable light


These were supposed to help out Ganondorf, and...well...
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/7/2006 2:18:41 PM | message detail
Meh, most, if not all of those points can be countered by points supporting Zero, but I'll leave it at Mario/Zero SFF and be on my merry way.

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TehMissingLink | Posted 10/7/2006 2:20:01 PM | message detail
These were supposed to help out Ganondorf, and...well...

They're much more likely to help out Luigi considering NSMB and everything.

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/7/2006 2:20:48 PM | message detail
He already mentioned NSMB. I was only assuming he was compounding those two points on top of that.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/7/2006 2:21:13 PM | message detail
Stop winning random updates and let Vincent break 52%, Ganon!
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 10/7/2006 2:21:33 PM | message detail
I really don't understand why DS ownsership would help Ganondorf at all.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/7/2006 2:21:44 PM | message detail
Also, KH already defended me, but since I'm passing time right now.....



SMB came close to beating Final Fantasy. Doesn't mean I'd take Mario over Cloud.

Maybe you should have in 2k2 then. =P


This iconicness didn't help him against Yoshi or Tifa

It's not meant to be the deciding factor, but it can't hurt him. Besides, Yoshi is iconic too.


Ok, KRATOS > RYU!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111

Kratos is newly-introduced though -- that is, he ONLY from his new release. Luigi's been around much longer (though you could then say that new releases wouldn't help Luigi so much, which would be hard to disagree with in many cases).


Ok, SORA > MEGA MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111

2-seed > 1-seed is hardly a huge seeding upset, and the bracket-support between Sora and Mega Man will likely be much closer than the bracket-support between Luigi and Zero.


Which would help Zero as well

Maybe a touch, but not like it would help Luigi -- SM64DS, MKDS, and NSMB are likely the three biggest games on the DS, no?


Ok, GANON > VINCENT!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111

Again, shouldn't be the deciding factor, but Nintendo/Wii hype couldn't hurt. Besides, Vincent had plenty of reason to impress today anyway.


Ok, DANTE > SNAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111

...I missed your point with this one. Solid Snake has always had the higher seed over Dante barring last year where they both had 1-seeds. When were they ever supposed to be close, too?


Ok, MASTER CHIEF > CHRONO 2k5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MC also impressed against Crono. Bad example.
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AmazingKirby | Posted 10/7/2006 2:22:11 PM | message detail
No, bring it back down to 51%, Ganon!
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/7/2006 2:51:25 PM | message detail
4000 vote lead for Vincent, 52% soon to be broken.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/7/2006 2:53:34 PM | message detail
I'll be honest with you Harr, I really half-assed those contradictions.

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Tai | Posted 10/7/2006 2:57:31 PM | message detail
LOL!

Damn, I haven't had time to do **** and come in here for the good matches like this! :( Of course..no one cares....:(

But, nice job Vincent! :-) Too bad you won't beat Sonic...hehe :D
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Aprosenf | Posted 10/7/2006 3:01:16 PM | message detail
And Vincent falls 9 votes short of 52%.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/7/2006 3:07:02 PM | message detail
If Vincent bombs against Sonic next round, I have a shiny "Overrated bust" badge for Ganny.

On the other hand, if Samus didn't SFF him at all, she may be a bigger beast than we thought.

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/7/2006 3:10:12 PM | message detail
You know, if not for those three or four morning hours, Vincent would have 53%+ right about now.
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