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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 379

UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/7/2006 12:43:47 AM | message detail
Oh yeah, because we all know Vincent has the majority of the support this match.

I highly doubt that Aeris is stronger than Vincent or even Tifa. FF7 fans have done a complete 180 on her since that game was released. Everyone likes Tifa and hates Aeris now for some reason.

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SilverNightmareX7 | Posted 10/7/2006 12:43:52 AM | message detail
Better yet, why is no one comparing Ganon to Squall, who was suffering SFF. And if people believed Ganon could possibly take Sonic (#8 on the noble 9), does this mean Snake could be in trouble against Squall, whom at this point looks to have gained as much power as Vincent in his near-tripling of Tidus?
Ngamer64 | Posted 10/7/2006 12:44:29 AM | message detail
Ganon's doing considerably better than Dante. Sure, in both cases the lead was in the 700s around this point, but Vincent had 53.30% of the vote by now last year.

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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/7/2006 12:44:31 AM | message detail
I meant that to be for Zylo, since he's pretty much saying "Ganon = Dante", which isn't even close to right.

As far as letting them foolishly believe Ganon's a beast during the day, well, to each their own.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/7/2006 12:45:16 AM | message detail
Solid Snake has already won over Squall once, I believe that match made everyone think Luigi > Squall in 2003, because Squall couldn't even get 40%
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 10/7/2006 12:47:35 AM | message detail
I would give Dante/Ganon some thought >_>
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SilverNightmareX7 | Posted 10/7/2006 12:48:17 AM | message detail
Squall lost to Snake in the first tournament, he was almost doubled up on. Since then, Squall has only gotten stronger (probably more so than ANY other character in the initial contest) where Snake has only gotten weaker (easily more so than any other character in the noble nine). It will be interesting to see how Squall does 4 years after one of the worst non-SFF defeats the FF series has ever known.
ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/7/2006 12:49:54 AM | message detail
But NGamer, the poll times were different then. That means it won't be until slightly later that Vincent loses steam meaning he does have time to extend his lead. I'm not trying to say Vincent will certainly put it out of Ganon's range, but I am saying it's not necessarily a good idea to compare the two matches directly.
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Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 10/7/2006 12:50:16 AM | message detail
I really want to know where this talk of Ganondorf being some day vote monster comes from. He did very little against Yuna and Auron, lost it to Sephiroth and lost it to Ansem. I don't care if Ansem is KH. There is no excuse for the widely known main Legend of Zelda villain to lose the day vote to someone like Ansem.

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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/7/2006 12:50:39 AM | message detail
"non-SFF"

Evidence suggests otherwise.
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/7/2006 12:51:54 AM | message detail
Shivan, don't forget how telling of a sign it is that actually lost the day vote to a character that's from the same game as his current opponent. That' should really be bolded, or something.
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/7/2006 12:52:13 AM | message detail
I guess Auron really is as weak as Tidus now. >_<
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/7/2006 12:53:27 AM | message detail
From ChichiriMuyo Posted 10/7/2006 3:51:54 AM #211
Shivan, don't forget how telling of a sign it is that actually lost the day vote to a character that's from the same game as his current opponent. That' should really be bolded, or something.

Huh?

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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/7/2006 12:54:20 AM | message detail
The two really should go hand in hand. It's only by the width of a hair that I'd hae ever given Auron the edge of Tidus in the past (which is to say I'd ride that upset like a bat out of hell). Of course, post-KH2 he should have the edge, regardless of the fact that he's (at best) only as strong as he was in 2k3/2k4 post (unimaginably difficult) adjustment.
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transience | Posted 10/7/2006 12:54:39 AM | message detail
funny how no one trusts Ganon's performance on Sephiroth, yet use the voting trends from it!

I don't know how this match is going to play out, but I sure wouldn't count Ganon out when the lead is under 1000 with 20 hours to go.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/7/2006 12:55:46 AM | message detail
JESUS CHRIST

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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/7/2006 12:55:57 AM | message detail
Another strong ht for Vincent.
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transience | Posted 10/7/2006 12:56:10 AM | message detail
of course, if Vincent keeps getting 60% updates, it's not going to matter what kind of day vote he has.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/7/2006 12:56:25 AM | message detail
Ganon can't take too many more of these 60-40 updates.

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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/7/2006 12:56:27 AM | message detail
Heh, forgot a word. Or rather, a name.

It should be a telling sign that Ganon lost the day vote to a character (Sephiroth) that is from the same game as his current opponent (Vincent).

Much clearer. :)
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__Smurf__ | Posted 10/7/2006 12:58:07 AM | message detail
If Ganon does what he did aganist Auron, I'd expect him to win this quite easily.
This is Vincents strongest time and Ganons weakest. He'll need more than 1000 votes to secure this.

That said, it is Saturday. So maybe....
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voltch | Posted 10/7/2006 12:58:08 AM | message detail
so this match is about to be over.
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Draco1214 | Posted 10/7/2006 12:58:28 AM | message detail
He won't lose the day vote to Vincent, but at the rate Vincent's going, it won't matter. Vincent's lead will be too big if he continues to rake in huge updates.
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/7/2006 12:59:32 AM | message detail
Well, even if we can't trust the results why does that mean his voting pattern would change? Seems reasonable to me that even if his result was padded (and it wasn't by on overly large amount, just one that is large enough to see straight away) it'd be spread evenly through the day. And even if it weren't, wouldn't it be more reasonable to expect it to come from Ganon's supposed best time?
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 10/7/2006 1:03:40 AM | message detail
We need some more staunch Ganon supporters in this discussion; his day vote will prevail!
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transience | Posted 10/7/2006 1:04:09 AM | message detail
I wouldn't trust it myself - if Sephiroth was antivoted, it was from the early voters, the ones who follow the contest closely. he's got nowhere to go but down in that situation.

not to mention that Sephiroth is an anomaly as is. I don't know, Vincent most likely wins this with ease, but I wouldn't count out the chance of a comeback after seeing what Ganon did to Auron, Link did to Cloud and Zelda did to Final Fantasy with the morning vote.
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SilverNightmareX7 | Posted 10/7/2006 1:04:18 AM | message detail
I think 2 more updates and I am done. Vincent now holds a 3% edge and is starting to gain some very large leads. If the kiddies do indeed wake up, it wont heal the wound, only stop blood from continuing to gush.
Tequilla Gundam | Posted 10/7/2006 1:04:42 AM | message detail
In the past hour, Vincent has increased his lead by 347 votes.

At this rate and assuming the morning vote begins in 4 hours , Vincent will have increased his lead to 2227 votes.
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/7/2006 1:05:05 AM | message detail
What day vote? The one he lost to Sephiroth or the one that only brought him to the same point at 24 hours in on Auron as he was at 1 hour in?
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transience | Posted 10/7/2006 1:06:14 AM | message detail
yeah, at the time when votes come in much slower. HM, Draco and I were looking at it and the "day vote" seems to start around 6:30 AM EST. that's two and a half hours during the dead time of the poll. I'd expect a lead of about 1300-1400 votes when that comes. whether Ganon can come back or not is another story.
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Draco1214 | Posted 10/7/2006 1:06:19 AM | message detail
Ganondorf didn't do much against Auron. He gained two percent during the morning and then Auron chipped away at his percentage throughout the afternoon and the rest of the match.
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 10/7/2006 1:07:00 AM | message detail
What day vote? The one he lost to Sephiroth or the one that only brought him to the same point at 24 hours in on Auron as he was at 1 hour in?

But Sephiroth isn't Vincent, and 1 hour in probably wasn't enough time to completely erase the awesome board vote Ganon's been documented to have, or so I've read. Plus, the Villain's contest, while not incredibly old, is still not current.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/7/2006 1:07:31 AM | message detail
Magus 44.87% 43,190
Vincent 55.13% 53,064
TOTAL VOTES 96,254


Vincent wins with 55.13% of the vote!

Come on Vincent you can do better than that on Ganondorf!
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transience | Posted 10/7/2006 1:07:36 AM | message detail
Ganon had a huge board/bracket vote vs. Auron, so that's not really reliable. he had the same thing with Vincent in this match - one hour in, it was 50/50.

it's not the day vote that he's great with, it's the morning vote. he even held his own vs. Sephiroth during that time.
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/7/2006 1:07:39 AM | message detail
"it was from the early voters, the ones who follow the contest closely."

However, that doesn't effect hs voting patterns because those peopel would have voted early anyway. Those people never would have voted during the day to begin with, so why is it his day vote was suddenly changed? Face it, even when he wins the day vote it's not by a whole lot, and it's generally not enough to deal with a sizable vote deficit.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/7/2006 1:07:48 AM | message detail
I said a few days ago that the Zelda day vote might be weakened or spread out due to this being on a weekend, where Square has always been at its best. Assuming Vincent wins this in a close one, Ganon supporters might actually get to blame the day of the week.

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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/7/2006 1:10:10 AM | message detail
FF, Ganon STILL got that insane early poll boost. He took off like crazy at the start of THIS match just like he didn against Auron. How does the fact that Auron hadn't worked it off completely, so to speak, have anything to do with how the votes actually come in?
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transience | Posted 10/7/2006 1:10:12 AM | message detail
the votes come no matter when, it doesn't matter if they vote at 5am, 2pm or 11pm. I wouldn't blame my incorrect pick on the day of the week, that's a bit much for me to swallow.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/7/2006 1:11:33 AM | message detail
Wind Waker beats Starcraft on ANY OTHER DAY besides Saturday night during a poll that gave Bnet and Korea a full 7-8 hours of Saturday Starcraft traffic to work with.

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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/7/2006 1:11:53 AM | message detail
Not really. Different people visit the site on different days. Not all of us are here every day of the week, and the past has indicated that there's a fair chance Square gets a slight boost on the weekend.
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transience | Posted 10/7/2006 1:13:01 AM | message detail
that's rallying, it's completely different. no one is going to be rallying for friggin' Ganondorf.

I will say one thing about this match: neither of these two are impressing me to the point where I'm worried about Sonic losing. I would need to see an impressive win (55%+) to be worried about Sonic losing in that match. I don't think Vincent gets that and no way in hell does Ganondorf.
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 10/7/2006 1:14:04 AM | message detail
How does the fact that Auron hadn't worked it off completely, so to speak, have anything to do with how the votes actually come in?

Because if Ganon was at a higher percentage at the start of the match just based off a ridiculous board vote, that extreme value really isn't a fair comparison to his ending value. In the next few hours, he could have dropped it a lot, only for Ganon to recover it during the day back to his high starting value. But, whatever, I'd rather put more stake in the claim that the Villain's contest, or last year's summer contest, is open to change, and won't predict how this match occurs absolutely.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/7/2006 1:14:52 AM | message detail
neither of these two are impressing me to the point where I'm worried about Sonic losing

That hype was 100% useless from the start.

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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/7/2006 1:17:42 AM | message detail
FF, that "ridiculous board vote" constitutes around 200, maybe 300 people. If you look at poll updates, you'll actually see that the ridiculous boost is almost completely unnoticable after 10 minutes of a match, and within an hour it's a small drop in the bucket and has no effect on the vote totals at all...

But even IF it did, HOW DOES THAT MAKE THIS MATCH ANY DIFFERENT? He still got the ridiculous boost at the start. So again, how is this match any different?
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 10/7/2006 1:18:20 AM | message detail
Anyone reconsidering Chief/Auron?
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Draco1214 | Posted 10/7/2006 1:19:24 AM | message detail
Not at all. Post KH2 Auron beats the Chief with ease.
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SilverNightmareX7 | Posted 10/7/2006 1:19:55 AM | message detail
I still hold my ground in saying Chief may not make it past Sub-Zero. I mean, he is Chief..... the guy almost lost to Donkey Kong.
ChichiriMuyo | Posted 10/7/2006 1:20:28 AM | message detail
Naw. Auron has had KH2 since last year, and he'd end up a tad closer to Ganon if they were in a rematch right now. Also, Vincent has had FF7 AC (which all of perhaps 150,000 on the net seen by the end of Vincent's run last year, only a small number of which actually visit GF) AND his own friggin' game since then.
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 10/7/2006 1:21:19 AM | message detail
FF, that "ridiculous board vote" constitutes around 200, maybe 300 people. If you look at poll updates, you'll actually see that the ridiculous boost is almost completely unnoticable after 10 minutes of a match, and within an hour it's a small drop in the bucket and has no effect on the vote totals at all...

But even IF it did, HOW DOES THAT MAKE THIS MATCH ANY DIFFERENT? He still got the ridiculous boost at the start. So again, how is this match any different?


It's different in that it's a different match, for one, with different contestants, but I'd assume you're recognized that. It's also a different year, after a series contest where Zelda dominated. But in addition to what I said about this match not needing to follow past results explicitly, I both don't care enough nor know enough to argue about Ganon/Auron.

I'm more blindly defending Ganondorf than I am making accurate points. I'm fully aware of that, and completely happy in this capacity at 4:20 in the morning.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/7/2006 1:22:23 AM | message detail
For all the trolling consolefreak used to do in this topic, his points on today's match were spot-on almost all the way through. I wish I had archived them so I wouldn't have to look through 100 topics to find them.

I'm going to bed once this hits 1000.

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