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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 376

GyratingGrandma | Posted 10/4/2006 2:29:05 PM | message detail
In Kefka/PoP, I'd take PoP pretty confidently. Not because I think PoP is that much stronger, but because Kefka can't win close matches. Yes, that's more of just who he's been up against, and part of his inherent strength, but dammit I'll never pick him in a debatable match.

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Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 10/4/2006 2:30:01 PM | message detail
So whats the explanation for why Ryu completely sucks ass today? Kratos should be nothing but fodder.

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GyratingGrandma | Posted 10/4/2006 2:30:50 PM | message detail
What's the explanation for you acting like an ass?

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/4/2006 2:31:01 PM | message detail
The explanation is that you're wrong about Kratos.
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therealmnm | Posted 10/4/2006 2:35:54 PM | message detail
Ryu doesn't have to fall. This is Sora being underrated, not that it's a shock to anybody. Plus, Kratos probably went up somewhat.

Stop getting protective! I wasn't implicating anything on Ryu... I was just seeing if anyone was actually saying that it was because of Ryu rather than looking at Kratos obviously being underrated. I really don't think Kratos is much stronger than last year... Sure God of War went greatest hit, but last year's contest was still during the peak of the God of War craze. And God of War II has kinda fell off the hype-meter with all the next-gen stuff going on. Not to say it isn't anticipated, but I don't see it making Kratos any stronger right now. I put this match all on him being underrated last year.

And for the record, I think Ryu was underrated as well. I don't see him all of a sudden decreasing in strength. Seriously, 45% on Sonic to 41% on Bowser within the span of a year? Something was up with that. He just ran into that Bowser train! If you want more speculation on that... the Street Fighter craze DID start on the SNES... Hmmm...
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GyratingGrandma | Posted 10/4/2006 2:36:07 PM | message detail
Another update taken by Kratos! It's comeback time, baby! Oh how I wish...

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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/4/2006 2:40:00 PM | message detail
It's great to see Kratos doing so well here. I wonder if he can actually hit 43% at this rate. Do any of the smart number guys here think there's any chance?
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GyratingGrandma | Posted 10/4/2006 2:40:55 PM | message detail
And for the record, I think Ryu was underrated as well. I don't see him all of a sudden decreasing in strength. Seriously, 45% on Sonic to 41% on Bowser within the span of a year? Something was up with that. He just ran into that Bowser train! If you want more speculation on that... the Street Fighter craze DID start on the SNES... Hmmm...

I think most people will agree with you thar Ryu/Bowser would have made Ryu underrated, but if you take into consideration Bowser/Snake, I think it all pretty much evens out. If you give Kratos a 3% boost in the stats (Sora), and another 2% for GoW selling another 600K copies, you end up with 57.2% for Kratos in this match, which I think is pretty reasonable at this point. If you adjust Ryu up, you're getting into crazy boosting territory for Kratos.

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GyratingGrandma | Posted 10/4/2006 2:41:35 PM | message detail
It's great to see Kratos doing so well here. I wonder if he can actually hit 43% at this rate. Do any of the smart number guys here think there's any chance?

While I have the intellect of a clubbed baby seal, I'm gonna go with there's a pretty decent chance.

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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/4/2006 2:43:06 PM | message detail
Clubbed baby seal, eh? You wouldn't happen to have any mayonnaise, would you? >_>
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GyratingGrandma | Posted 10/4/2006 2:43:51 PM | message detail
mmm... mayo

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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/4/2006 2:47:25 PM | message detail
So you believe in random variation being potentially enough to boost Sonic > Crono, but Dante increasing from 3 games in his favor is farfetched? That just seems silly to me. I want Snake to do as well as possible, as he's easily my favorite character, but Dante kicking ass their would make me incredibly pleased. And The higher you get, we all know the harder it is to increase, getting to Link's level would be insane, plus we all know Link gets his boosts too.

Fine then, Base Link. =P

Dante increasing isn't far-fetched, but I don't put much, if any of it on the games. And Snake and Dante could be centralized on two completely different systems and I'd still expect Snake to crush him there. It's what I expected in Dante/Hayabusa, after all!
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GyratingGrandma | Posted 10/4/2006 2:49:14 PM | message detail
Also, to be a bit more serious, the % should only continue falling at this rate until about 6:30, 7 at the latest. After that it should get pretty stabalized until it ends. 57 will be a stretch. 57.5 is looking pretty likely.

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GyratingGrandma | Posted 10/4/2006 2:49:25 PM | message detail
stabilized even.

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/4/2006 2:51:46 PM | message detail
Yeah, 43% for Kratos is probably out of reach at this point. This will slow down once the night vote hits and Ryu should be able to hold on in the 57% range.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 10/4/2006 2:52:12 PM | message detail
If Kratos can continue this rate all the way until the match ends, he would actually be projected to end at 43.25% or around that area.

That's a pretty big if though
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GyratingGrandma | Posted 10/4/2006 2:56:51 PM | message detail
Jesus Christ massive cut by Kratos.

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 10/4/2006 2:56:59 PM | message detail
Well if can keep winning updates like that, he won't quite need to keep it up until the end of the match O_o
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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/4/2006 2:59:25 PM | message detail
He's got six hours to increase 1%. Obviously, things will get pretty stable for most of those six hours, but I'm not counting him out, especially if wins more updates by 26 votes. o__O
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/4/2006 2:59:53 PM | message detail
COMEBACK

I sure hope Kratos can get this over 43% by the end, as it would make EC look like a fool again since yoblazer would get the point instead of HM !!
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trannyscience | Posted 10/4/2006 3:01:27 PM | message detail
jesus, Kratos is a beast in the day. this reminds me of a slightly weaker Master Chief.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/4/2006 3:01:31 PM | message detail
Heh, 42% on the nose. Exactly six hours to gain 1%.

GO KRATOS GO
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/4/2006 3:04:00 PM | message detail
Master Chief vs. Kratos: Who gets the day vote?

...Bigger question: Who gets the night vote?
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trannyscience | Posted 10/4/2006 3:04:57 PM | message detail
Kratos for the night, MC for the day.. but I wouldn't expect much a swing in that match at all.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/4/2006 3:09:46 PM | message detail
Hmm... it seems that God of War 2 is scheduled to come out in the beginning of 2007. Next year, I really hope Kratos gets an easy first round opponent and a debatable second round match. He's certainly earned it.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/4/2006 3:10:38 PM | message detail
Yeah, Kratos and Riku both need winnable matches next year.

...Perhaps against each other...
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Phediuk | Posted 10/4/2006 3:13:58 PM | message detail
Kratos is impressing me here.
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Phediuk | Posted 10/4/2006 3:14:31 PM | message detail
God of War is a great game, BTW. I only wish it were longer.
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therealmnm | Posted 10/4/2006 3:21:52 PM | message detail
Yeah, Kratos is looking to be another Dante. Don't forget that Dante himself came into the contest as a new character being a decent midcarder in 2k2 and moving up since then. Character difference means that Kratos isn't guaranteed to end up like Dante, but he certainly is on the same path.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/4/2006 3:23:57 PM | message detail
From Xuxon Posted 10/4/2006 2:20:16 PM #071
Also, people are saying Axel will be weaker than Kairi. That seemed kind of weird to me, but I haven't played Kingdom Hearts, does anyone have any thoughts on that?

Yes, Axel being weaker than her would shock me.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 10/4/2006 3:25:44 PM | message detail
Axel being weaker than Kairi would shock me as well.

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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/4/2006 3:28:59 PM | message detail
Initially, the thought of Axel being weaker than Kairi never even entered my head. However, some of the debate surrounding him got me thinking. As far as I remember, there's really only one scene in KHII that distinguishes him from the other members of Organization XIII whom you have to battle. I'd definitely consider Kairi to be a lot stronger than those other Org. XIII guys, so Axel is a big question mark for me right now.
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GyratingGrandma | Posted 10/4/2006 3:30:28 PM | message detail
COMEBACK

I sure hope Kratos can get this over 43% by the end, as it would make EC look like a fool again since yoblazer would get the point instead of HM !!


*KH 15 minutes into the match* OH MAN KRATOS CAN PUSH FOR 45+!!!

*KH few hours later* OH MAN KRATOS WILL BE LUCKY TO BREAK 60%, 57? YOU CRAZY EC, YOU CRAZY.

WELL WHO'S CRAZY NOW!?!?

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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/4/2006 3:32:52 PM | message detail
Both of me, it would seem!
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therealmnm | Posted 10/4/2006 3:34:25 PM | message detail
Eh, Karma Hunter already touched on this, but Axel was really hyped for Kingdom Hearts CoM and Kingdom Hearts 2. Him in his battle stance was shown in damn near every preview that I saw of either game. And though the individual members of Org XIII may not be too strong, as a whole, Org XIII is adored by the KH fanbase and >> Ansem as villains. And Axel is probably the most prominent of them all.

He already has the incredibly casual appealing design, and he is the manipulator in Chain of Memories. And even though his role in KH2 isn't that large, he still puts on a good show for the beginning of the game. I don't think he is weaker than Kairi...
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Draco1214 | Posted 10/4/2006 3:35:51 PM | message detail
Wait, why do people think Kairi will be stronger than Axel? Axel has been more of the fan favorite than Kairi has ever been.
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AmazingKirby | Posted 10/4/2006 3:36:31 PM | message detail
Kairi is like the main character of the series. Axel won't even come close to her strength. Though they're both equally awesome and should blow out Mega Man!
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Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 10/4/2006 3:39:27 PM | message detail
So whats the explanation for why Ryu completely sucks ass today? Kratos should be nothing but fodder.


Kratos isn't that bad. Of course, you have to look at 2005 Ryu vs 2004 to see Ryu take small dip but despite that, Kratos is a lot more than fodder.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/4/2006 3:40:13 PM | message detail
You know, I probably would vote for Kairi over Mega Man. Also, as I type this, thoughts of suicide are creeping into my mind for the first time.
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trannyscience | Posted 10/4/2006 3:41:30 PM | message detail
Kratos seems really underrated by the board. I don't understand why anyone would think he would be fodder. it's nice to see someone recent do relatively well instead of the same old guard for the fifth year in a row.
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EvenMyROgetsB7 | Posted 10/4/2006 3:42:21 PM | message detail
Because people are incapable of looking at the x-stats, and thinking for themselves at the same time. Then when something goes horrendously different it's LOL X-STATS.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 10/4/2006 3:43:27 PM | message detail
I think Axel can just avoid the tripling as Ansem is already close to Conker as it is.

Oh, and about Ryu dropping and such, I don't know who said this but there was once a theory that Ryu overperformed on Sonic in 2004 because of the new SF game coming out around that match.

Then, come the next year, KOS-MOS bombs and Ryu bombs along with her.
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EvenMyROgetsB7 | Posted 10/4/2006 3:45:29 PM | message detail
It doesn't matter if Axel is stronger than Jesus himself, MM will be SFFing his way to a 90% victory, isn't that right KH?

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Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 10/4/2006 3:47:12 PM | message detail
Well, I don't see how you can say to look at 2004 Ryu and ignore 2005 Ryu because i"t didn't seem right."Why wouldn't it seem right? It's not as if Bowser SFFed Ryu. Ryu didn't exactly impress against Rikku. I think the theory about the SF game being released for the Sonic match could be possible...eh...
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EvenMyROgetsB7 | Posted 10/4/2006 3:50:49 PM | message detail
If you don't think something funny happened in Ryu/Bowser (and you should), and you belive something funny happened in Bowser/Snake (and you should), then Ryu has become ridiculously weak, and Kratos wasn't underrated last year. Sorry, but that's a little hard to swallow.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 10/4/2006 3:51:52 PM | message detail
I've really gotten to the point where I don't care much about stats. Wins and losses are what's ultimately important.

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trannyscience | Posted 10/4/2006 3:52:49 PM | message detail
Well, I don't see how you can say to look at 2004 Ryu and ignore 2005 Ryu because i"t didn't seem right."Why wouldn't it seem right? It's not as if Bowser SFFed Ryu. Ryu didn't exactly impress against Rikku. I think the theory about the SF game being released for the Sonic match could be possible...eh...

I've seen people suggest it. I personally think it's a silly idea and that 2005 Ryu is equal to 2006 Ryu.. and it makes me worried about Sub-Zero's chances against Master Chief. fighting games in general haven't looked good recently.
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EvenMyROgetsB7 | Posted 10/4/2006 3:53:04 PM | message detail
But the percentages certainly play a role in determining how strong or weak a character is. I agree with you though, I'd much rather get every match right and be in dead last in the oracle standings (that'd be really weird), than win the oracle and get 5 matches wrong.
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EvenMyROgetsB7 | Posted 10/4/2006 3:53:40 PM | message detail
I personally think it's a silly idea and that 2005 Ryu is equal to 2006 Ryu..

Why?

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Draco1214 | Posted 10/4/2006 3:54:14 PM | message detail
Considering Street Fighter's performance in the series contest, I highly doubt this site has all of a sudden stopped caring about its characters and they've dropped off the map.
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