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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 376

Karma Hunter | Posted 10/4/2006 1:00:53 PM | message detail
If the Devil Division wasn't overrated last year, and I don't think it was, Dante has every reason to do better on Snake than Yoshi does on him. DMC3 doubling it's sales + DMC2: Greatest Hits + DMC: Greatest Hits Collection, all being out, is going to give him a decent sized boost. And DMC:GHC will be coming out during the contest.

All that and it doesn't change the simple fact that Snake would crush him.
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Draco1214 | Posted 10/4/2006 1:01:18 PM | message detail
I'll make a 32 male bracket complete with (some) realistic seeding!:

(1) Solid Snake
(8) Diablo
(4) Bowser
(5) Ganondorf
(3) Auron
(6) Squall Leonhart
(2) Vincent Valentine
(7) Captain Falcon

(1) Mega Man
(8) Soma Cruz
(4) Gordon Freeman
(5) The Prince of Persia
(3) Ryu (Street Fighter)
(6) Alucard
(2) Master Chief
(7) Sub-Zero

(1) Sonic the Hedgehog
(8) Ryu Hayabusa
(4) Tidus
(5) Leon Kennedy
(3) Luigi
(6) Magus
(2) Sora
(7) Knuckles the Echidna

(1) Crono
(8) CATS
(4) Kratos (God of War)
(5) Riku
(3) Kirby
(6) Yoshi
(2) Dante
(7) Zero

I couldn't think of a good place to put Hayabusa, but there are some interesting matches there. I kept MC/Sub-Zero since it's a pretty good match, but I wanted to try out some different matches with Bowser/Squall/Vincent/Ganon and give them all a shot at Snake.
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GyratingGrandma | Posted 10/4/2006 1:02:04 PM | message detail
Why are we talking about the stats topic bracket again? Didn't Ceej shoot down that idea personally back in '04? <.<

I don't think anyone actually believes it would happen, more of a "That would just kick ass" type of thing. Plus there's not much else to talk about now, we knew Kratos would be doing better here than the x-stats indicated, and that he'd win the morning and day vote, now it's just about where he finishes.

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MyworldisSmurf | Posted 10/4/2006 1:02:14 PM | message detail
Knuckles v Sora would be a bracket buster for sure.
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GyratingGrandma | Posted 10/4/2006 1:03:04 PM | message detail
All that and it doesn't change the simple fact that Snake would crush him.

Without PS SFF? Sorry, but a 4% lead in the x-stats, with the complete likelihood of another decent sized boost doesn't lead to blowout for me.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/4/2006 1:07:35 PM | message detail
Sorry, but that '4% lead' leads to a 56-44 match assuming that Dante isn't overrated at all. And as much as you and HM want to desperately prove to me that games continuing to sell well are going to lead to such notable boosts ('cause, y'know, we'll end up with Dante > Link in a few years, yo!), I won't buy it until I see it. Not to mention that I'm thinking Snake will be stronger than he was in 2005 anyway.

You can call it SFF, you can call it whatever. Snake would crush Dante in a direct matchup.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 10/4/2006 1:09:30 PM | message detail
('cause, y'know, we'll end up with Dante > Link in a few years, yo!),

Haw!

Twilight Princess with a 6% boost~!

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/4/2006 1:09:44 PM | message detail
Wow, Kratos is doing very well for himself with the after-school vote. Slow it down, Ryu! Slow it down!
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/4/2006 1:13:24 PM | message detail
Man, I knew I should have stayed with 58%. I just would have thought Ryu would have built up his percentage enough overnight to stay at 60%, even when Kratos' day vote began. Oh well, good performance none the less.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 10/4/2006 1:15:44 PM | message detail
Kratos soars past 41%!

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Crono801 | Posted 10/4/2006 1:15:46 PM | message detail
No, we would've seen Ryu losing pathetically to Dante, and Ryu H. losing pathetically to Kratos. I'm sure the margins of victory would've been smaller, but the matches wouldn't be anything close to "good".

But at least they would have become harder to predict. It may have been in 2k3, but Ryu beat Dante by a comfortable margin before and I'm sure at least a few people would have taken him to upset. Also, Ryu H. was well above Kratos in the 2005 X-stats and that was really the only reading we have for him. I would wager that he would have been the bracket favorite.
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cyko | Posted 10/4/2006 1:17:07 PM | message detail
that's a nice bracket, Draco! my only complaint is that post KH2 Sora would steamroll over his 4-pack.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/4/2006 1:23:47 PM | message detail
(3) Kirby
(6) Yoshi
(2) Dante
(7) Zero


Jesus, that's a tough fourpack

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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 10/4/2006 1:26:44 PM | message detail
A stats-topic bracket would rule, too bad Ceej won't do it. His loss, if he wants to continue making such crappy brackets people will start to lose interest. I mean Draco's whipped up bracket already kills anything Ceej has ever done.
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LordOfDabu | Posted 10/4/2006 1:28:01 PM | message detail
You really think people would lose interest?
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BDawg | Posted 10/4/2006 1:29:07 PM | message detail
All these stupid (although admitedly predictable) day vote swings are giving me a craving for an Angry Sun/Majora's Moon match.
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Draco1214 | Posted 10/4/2006 1:30:33 PM | message detail
My own predictions:

Round 1:
Solid Snake
Bowser
Squall Leonhart
Vincent Valentine

Mega Man
Gordon Freeman
Ryu (Street Fighter)
Master Chief

Sonic the Hedgehog
Leon Kennedy
Luigi
Sora

Crono
Riku
Kirby
Dante

Round 2:
Solid Snake
Vincent Valentine

Mega Man
Ryu (Street Fighter)

Sonic the Hedgehog
Sora

Crono
Dante

Round 3:
Solid Snake
Mega Man

Sonic the Hedgehog
Crono

Finals:
Mega Man
Crono

Winner: Crono

Yeah, Dante's fourpack gave me the most problems, specifically Dante/Zero. Dante clearly outperformed Zero on a common opponent, but we still haven't seen Zero in action yet and Hayabusa could have fallen or something. For now, I'd take Dante just on their respective performances, but it is subject to change depending on how Zero does.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 10/4/2006 1:34:19 PM | message detail
Kratos has taken 52.68% of the vote in the past hour.

Pretty impressive.

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 10/4/2006 1:35:06 PM | message detail
Er, I mean Ryu has.
Why do I always do that
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/4/2006 1:36:02 PM | message detail
The problem with a stat-bracket is that it would be nigh-impossible for casual bracketeers to predict. THAT would make people lose interest more than a somewhat predictable bracket with 3 or 4 key matches.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/4/2006 1:36:17 PM | message detail
Yeah, you made me do a double take just then, I nearly fell out of my chair.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/4/2006 1:36:46 PM | message detail
(1) Solid Snake - Easy enough
(4) Bowser - Good, heavily debated match with either one having a good chance at Snake. I don't necessarily like the idea of a rematch if Bowser wins though, since I wouldn't expect him to get any closer, especially since it won't be a sprite round.

(6) Squall Leonhart - Squall as a 6? HA!
(2) Vincent Valentine - Two rematches in the same division? Meh...Either way, you threw all of the top contenders at Snake into the same division, which means the rest will probably be rather boring in the divisional finals.

(1) Mega Man - Yeah, utter destruction
(5) The Prince of Persia - Against anyone with some sort of recognizability, I'm not taking Gordon

(3) Ryu (Street Fighter) - After today? Yeah, there's no way Ryu loses this.
(7) Sub-Zero - Bring it!

(1) Sonic the Hedgehog - Destruction!
(4) Tidus - I'll be in the minority here, but I'll go with him.
(3) Luigi - Another potential rematch if Magus and Knux win? Come on, close rematches are fine when they were actually nailbiters, ya know.
(7) Knuckles the Echidna - Psh, like Knuckles can lose a first round match.

(1) Crono - Easy enough
(5) Riku - 45% on Yoshi > 41-42% on Ryu

(3) Kirby - Gimme the upset
(2) Dante - Before his match with Hayabusa, I would've taken Zero. Now, I'll take Dante.


(1) Solid Snake - Again, I doubt this match will be as close as before.
(6) Squall Leonhart - Turn it around!

(1) Mega Man - Not much competition here
(3) Ryu - Yeah, fighting game SFF and whatnot destroys Sub-Zero beyond his nonexistent chances anyway

(1) Sonic the Hedgehog - Yeah, this would be ugly now
(7) Knuckles the Echidna - Luigi win a debated four-pack? I'll believe it when I see it! Devil Division ain't overrated, folks!

(1) Crono - Yeah...
(3) Kirby - I've said I'll take Kirby from the beginning, and I'm sticking to it!


(1) Solid Snake - As much as I want to take Squall...
(1) Mega Man - 40%+ for Ryu in defeat!

(1) Sonic the Hedgehog - Probably nowhere close to 40% for Knuckles in defeat...
(1) Crono - Kirby does respectably, but there's no way he wins this.


(1) Solid Snake - Believe.
(1) Sonic the Hedgehog - See above.


(1) Solid Snake - See above.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/4/2006 1:37:26 PM | message detail
The problem with a stat-bracket is that it would be nigh-impossible for casual bracketeers to predict. THAT would make people lose interest more than a somewhat predictable bracket with 3 or 4 key matches.

Assuming this was even true, there's a reason why 2k2 has a big consensus on being the best contest we've ever had. Unpredictabillity is great.
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Draco1214 | Posted 10/4/2006 1:42:08 PM | message detail
I'd actually struggle with Gordon/Prince.
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Kratos_42 | Posted 10/4/2006 1:44:06 PM | message detail
;_; Pheonix, you've failed me!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/4/2006 1:46:04 PM | message detail
I wouldn't struggle with Gordon/Prince...not after what I saw PW pull yesterday. I doubt the Prince's power, but he's got three high selling games on multiple-current gen systems. Add in that he doesn't have Gordon's inherent weakness (people actually recognize and like the guy) and...
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The Real Truth | Posted 10/4/2006 1:48:47 PM | message detail
(1) Solid Snake
(8) Diablo
(4) Bowser
(5) Ganondorf
(3) Auron
(6) Squall Leonhart
(2) Vincent Valentine
(7) Captain Falcon

(1) Mega Man
(8) Soma Cruz
(4) Gordon Freeman
(5) The Prince of Persia
(3) Ryu (Street Fighter)
(6) Alucard
(2) Master Chief
(7) Sub-Zero

(1) Sonic the Hedgehog
(8) Ryu Hayabusa
(4) Tidus
(5) Leon Kennedy
(3) Luigi
(6) Magus
(2) Sora
(7) Knuckles the Echidna

(1) Crono
(8) CATS
(4) Kratos (God of War)
(5) Riku
(3) Kirby
(6) Yoshi
(2) Dante
(7) Zero


See, for the most part this is a great bracket. I don't understand why it's so hard to come up with something like this. Make a few changes and this bracket is perfect (Move Squall/Auron around).
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Aprosenf | Posted 10/4/2006 1:53:53 PM | message detail
Who would you guys all take in Conker vs. Axel? Because I'd probably take Axel, yet lots of people are calling for Mega Man to get 77-80%+ on Axel. (For reference, Mega Man got 76.02% against Conker last year).
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/4/2006 1:55:41 PM | message detail
Honestly, if Axel beats Conker, it won't be by any significant margin. It's not like he can't lose to him.
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Aprosenf | Posted 10/4/2006 1:57:21 PM | message detail
No, it'd be close between them, but at the present I'd probably take Axel by a hair. But I'd also be willing to bet that next year Conker beats Axel, since Axel is still riding out KHII and can fall, but Conker won't fall as much.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/4/2006 1:57:46 PM | message detail
...What is Conker riding, exactly?
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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/4/2006 2:00:01 PM | message detail
I think Conker was riding his Xbox remake last year. I certainly hope that's the case, anyway, as Crono did 2% better on him in 2004 than Mega Man did in 2005. That was a pretty surprising result, IIRC.

I have no idea what Conker is riding now, though.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/4/2006 2:01:02 PM | message detail
And...Kratos wins an update by 1 vote.
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Draco1214 | Posted 10/4/2006 2:02:13 PM | message detail
Actually, The Prince has been on damn near every console in existence (though his most prominent titles are the current gen ones). It's just that some of the old polls around here (namely GotY polls involving his game) say this site really doesn't care too much about him.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 10/4/2006 2:02:23 PM | message detail
GO KRATOS GO

Actually, I've been yelling "GO KRATOS GO" in a Sean Connery-like voice all day. I should probably upload it.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/4/2006 2:05:58 PM | message detail
I really wouldn't put too much stock into GotY polls for the weakness of the Prince's games, just like I wouldn't for the strength of other games now (LOL GTA). In the few polls that they've been in, the Prince's games have shown themselves to be superior to Sam Fisher's games, and ultimately I'd expect the Prince to be stronger than Fisher in every way. Sam beat Gordon with around 55% before HL2, and while I'd take Gordon now I think the Prince is far enough above Fisher to be out of Gordon's reach.
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therealmnm | Posted 10/4/2006 2:07:41 PM | message detail
Okay, so my internet connection decided to go out yesterday, so I've missed the past two days. What all did I miss? Gordon Freeman dismantles Phoenix Wright with the day vote I see... and Kratos is doing well against Ryu. I'm assuming this was expected due to an underrated Sora right? Or are people saying Ryu fell or anything?
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therealmnm | Posted 10/4/2006 2:08:39 PM | message detail
And since I see that this topic started this morning, I'm assuming the last two topics were filled with stuff about GFNW and the universe imploding, right?
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voltch | Posted 10/4/2006 2:09:30 PM | message detail
characters with no acual names are probably rubbish in a contest setting.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/4/2006 2:11:24 PM | message detail
characters with no acual names are probably rubbish in a contest setting.

Yeah, that Master Chief guy? Total fodder, him.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 10/4/2006 2:11:42 PM | message detail
Seeing Ryu's streak of winning at least one match every contest ending would not have been my idea of a good match. He and Dante are about the only non-Noble Niners left with that to their name, now that Knuckles got snubbed.

I know this is quite a few pages back, but Zero's in that list too! Heck hes won two matches every contest hes been in! <_<
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/4/2006 2:12:50 PM | message detail
Zero wasn't in 2002. -_-
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 10/4/2006 2:13:47 PM | message detail
And in 2003 he lost to Sonic in round 2 >_>
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GyratingGrandma | Posted 10/4/2006 2:21:28 PM | message detail
Oh man, since I've been at Spanish Kratos has been kicking some serious ass. 57.2% here he comes!

Sorry, but that '4% lead' leads to a 56-44 match assuming that Dante isn't overrated at all. And as much as you and HM want to desperately prove to me that games continuing to sell well are going to lead to such notable boosts ('cause, y'know, we'll end up with Dante > Link in a few years, yo!), I won't buy it until I see it. Not to mention that I'm thinking Snake will be stronger than he was in 2005 anyway.

So you believe in random variation being potentially enough to boost Sonic > Crono, but Dante increasing from 3 games in his favor is farfetched? That just seems silly to me. I want Snake to do as well as possible, as he's easily my favorite character, but Dante kicking ass their would make me incredibly pleased. And The higher you get, we all know the harder it is to increase, getting to Link's level would be insane, plus we all know Link gets his boosts too.

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longbladeofhiko | Posted 10/4/2006 2:22:26 PM | message detail
Zero wasn't in 2002. -_-

Thats why I clearly said every contest hes been Mr. Smartaleck Who Is Always On Hiko's Case
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 10/4/2006 2:23:06 PM | message detail
And in 2003 he lost to Sonic in round 2 >_>

My bad then.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/4/2006 2:25:22 PM | message detail
Well, I was specifically talking about every single contest, which is why I said Knuckles is no longer on the list.

and Kratos is doing well against Ryu. I'm assuming this was expected due to an underrated Sora right? Or are people saying Ryu fell or anything?

Ryu doesn't have to fall. This is Sora being underrated, not that it's a shock to anybody. Plus, Kratos probably went up somewhat.
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Haste_2 | Posted 10/4/2006 2:26:06 PM | message detail
I think Kefka vs. Prince of Persia would be a good match...

As long as we have a character contest every year, they'll always be predictable. We need to cut down on them... we gotta another game contest. A break of three years, along with mixed divisions, will surely make a more interesting contest. To bring it up again, it would be nice if we had a character contest one year, followed by a game contest the next year, and so forth. In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing them done every three years, and with the remaining year we'd see something completely different: A tag-team contest one year, best random enemy contest, best weapon/item, or whatever. Or, how about this: a 64-character Battle Royale! ...just kidding. Think about how huge those PotDs would be, and we'd only be able to vote for one character!

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GyratingGrandma | Posted 10/4/2006 2:26:15 PM | message detail
Kratos wins another one by one vote.

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GyratingGrandma | Posted 10/4/2006 2:27:46 PM | message detail
I'd absolutely love to see a 64 character BR consisting of every character in this contest after the actual contest concluded. Not for predicting or anything, just for fun.

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