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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 374

XIII_rocks | Posted 10/2/2006 3:19:14 PM | message detail
If there isn't a delay, I at least expect Cloud to make it considerably closer than last time.

If there is a delay, it'll be Cloud's worst ever loss.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/2/2006 3:20:13 PM | message detail
I laugh at those thinking Cloud over Link is a possibility!!

Once again, the propaganda is working like a charm!
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Heroic Mario | Posted 10/2/2006 3:22:06 PM | message detail
Even without a delay, Link still has his biggest game yet coming out the next day. I don't know about you, but I think the voters who like both are very likely going to vote Link on hype alone. The next day they'll be able to play what is likely to be the greatest game ever.

Link will be kicking some ass and taking some names, with or without TP. And that means Cloud could never win again!

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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/2/2006 3:23:40 PM | message detail
I take hype, no matter how much or how imminent, as a pretty low factor in any match. The PS3 coming out just before the match will be enough to at least counteract anything that stuff does.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 10/2/2006 3:25:03 PM | message detail
...You really think PlayStation 3 hype here is going to exceed The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess hype? The hype for that game is going to be palpable here in a few weeks.


Italics for emphasis!

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Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 10/2/2006 3:25:04 PM | message detail
"I take hype, no matter how much or how imminent, as a pretty low factor in any match. The PS3 coming out just before the match will be enough to at least counteract anything that stuff does."

Mario vs Cloud 2002 would like a word with you.

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H__RR____H | Posted 10/2/2006 3:26:28 PM | message detail
About Yoshi/Luigi, since we've talked about it alot...


http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=634
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2328


Considering Yoshi/Luigi have the same fanbase, I think these polls are completely reasonable to use (completely reasonable, not completely reliable). Since Yoshi already had more than a quarter of the votes in both polls and Yoshi has always been generally well-liked amongst the fanbase, it's not hard to imagine Yoshi being able to outdo Luigi there.

Now, of course...Bowser/Yoshi ****s it up to a degree, but as it's been said already, it's not completely reliable -- Bowser just has that many more fans that like him over Yoshi than #1 fans, yet Yoshi's strong fanbase in the Mario world kept him in the game too and probably made the most reliable value we have for Yoshi to date...but it's hard to say for sure.

Anyway, back to Yoshi/Luigi: 2k3 indicated Yoshi > Luigi close to how the match actually went in 2k4, and Yoshi increased in the Mario-poll while Luigi dropped in it earlier this year...so one could say that would solidify Yoshi > Luigi again, whether it be by rSFF or not -- that's arguable until we get a clean value on Yoshi. However, last year shows Luigi beating Yoshi a lil' worse than Yoshi beat Luigi, so perhaps a rematch wouldn't be favorable for Yoshi. So may say Yoshi's under-rated, but Laharl and Pac-Man both lead to almost exactly the same area for him to land at, so that's not worth over-looking.

So...I dunno, I don't think a rematch should have Yoshi being the immediate favorite anymore. It's too big of a toss-up for me to bother with for now.
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Samurai7 | Posted 10/2/2006 3:31:04 PM | message detail
Mario vs Cloud 2002 would like a word with you.

It was planetgamecube.com's doing. Not Sunshine.
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H__RR____H | Posted 10/2/2006 3:31:52 PM | message detail
It was PGC coupled with SMS -- neither one would have been as effective without the other.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 10/2/2006 3:32:15 PM | message detail
I hope you don't believe PlanetGameCube had more to do with that than Super Mario Sunshine being released on that day.

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Samurai7 | Posted 10/2/2006 3:32:58 PM | message detail
I hope you don't believe PlanetGameCube had more to do with that than Super Mario Sunshine being released on that day.

I do
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Haste_2 | Posted 10/2/2006 3:32:59 PM | message detail
Sonic > Male Bracket = 10:1...only Crono and Mega Man to overcome.
Vince > Sonic = 5:1...come on, Vincent was worth like 46% on Sonic last year.
Snake > Megaman = 10:1
Sephiroth > Cloud in royale = 5:1
Cloud > Link in royale = 20:1...the Wii is gonna be out at this time, right?
PoP evading a doubling from Kirby = 1:1...Kain evaded a doubling. I think PoP is stronger than Kain.
Dante > Yoshi = 1:5...I'm surprised at the 1:1 odds some of you gave for this one after the past couple days.
Jill > Peach = 2:1
Kratos > Ryu = 50:1

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H__RR____H | Posted 10/2/2006 3:33:04 PM | message detail
*Though SMS was the bigger factor.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/2/2006 3:52:14 PM | message detail
A preliminary rough guestimate of what the 2006 stats MAY look like based on what we've seen so far. Perhaps we can use it to guess increases, decreases, etc. Note that several values are arbitrary.

Samus Aran – 41.69%
Solid Snake – 36.97%
Squall Leonhart – 35.16%
Dante Sparda – 34.12%
Princess Zelda – 33.71%
Tifa Lockhart – 33.57%
Aeris Gainsborough – 32.81%
Sora – 32.00%
Yoshi – 29.01%
Rikku – 26.55%
Yuna – 26.10%
Riku – 25.99%
Chun-Li – 24.92%
Ryu Hayabusa – 23.75%
Jill Valentine – 23.74%
Princess Peach – 23.50%
The Boss – 23.00%
KOS-MOS – 21.30%
Marle – 19.83%
Tidus – 19.68%
Kairi – 19.39%
Terra Branford – 18.65%
Ada Wong – 18.64%
Claire Redfield – 18.58%
Sheena Fujibayashi – 18.03%
Celes Chere – 17.90%
Lara Croft – 16.75%
Joanna Dark – 16.50%
Ivy Valentine – 15.99%
Tingle – 15.72%
Kasumi – 15.58%
Sarah Kerrigan – 15.41%
Nidoran F – 15.13%
Amy Rose – 14.73%
Lenneth Valkyrie – 13.28%
Soma Cruz – 13.20%
Cortana – 13.12%
Roll – 10.81%
Carmen Sandiego – 9.38%
Jade – 9.00%
Princess Daisy – 7.94%
Alyx Vance – 7.52%
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/2/2006 3:54:05 PM | message detail
SMS was released on the day of Mario/Cloud. That's not hype, that's a release day. Cloud obviously has no shot if TP falls on the day of Link/Cloud.

Also, it's not PS3 hype. It's an actual release, which invariably dwarfs something as fickle as hype.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/2/2006 3:55:14 PM | message detail
20:1...the Wii is gonna be out at this time, right?

If there's no delay in the contest, no.
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trannyscience | Posted 10/2/2006 3:56:09 PM | message detail
Marle – 19.83%
Tidus – 19.68%
Kairi – 19.39%

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Master Moltar | Posted 10/2/2006 3:56:55 PM | message detail
Marle – 19.83%
Tidus – 19.68%
Kairi – 19.39%
Terra Branford – 18.65%


He fits right in!
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/2/2006 3:57:17 PM | message detail
Note: For Kairi, I just took Ansem's VC value and upped it by 1%. Characters like Jade...Just guessed.
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therealmnm | Posted 10/2/2006 3:59:35 PM | message detail
What did you do for Peach? Guess as well?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/2/2006 4:01:49 PM | message detail
Since he has Jill above her, I suppose he went with making Jill near-even with Hayabusa and working Peach a bit below.
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Master Moltar | Posted 10/2/2006 4:02:03 PM | message detail
Oh, and it's also funny that "Claire got 45% on Tidus!" was actually a semi-valid argument, seeing as how (according to those stats), she would get 47% on him now, and everyone would take Tidus over Kairi with ease.

I'm sorry, but Tidus = Kairi is just too damn funny.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 10/2/2006 4:03:26 PM | message detail
Also, it's not PS3 hype. It's an actual release, which invariably dwarfs something as fickle as hype

The release of the PS3 should generate just about nothing for Cloud.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/2/2006 4:04:29 PM | message detail
The release of the PS3 should generate just about nothing for Cloud.

Like I said, about as much as TP hype for Link!
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Heroic Mario | Posted 10/2/2006 4:05:51 PM | message detail
Like I said, about as much as TP hype for Link!

TP Hype > > > > PS3 Release.

Palpable, man, palpable.

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AmazingKirby | Posted 10/2/2006 4:06:43 PM | message detail
Kairi vs. KOS-MOS, who wins?!
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Haste_2 | Posted 10/2/2006 4:10:31 PM | message detail
KOS-MOS!

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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/2/2006 4:12:43 PM | message detail
Palpable, man, palpable.

The only thing palpable about it was the sensation of you screaming down my throat that it was going to be out before Sonic/Ganon, much less Link/Cloud...
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 10/2/2006 4:19:10 PM | message detail
Oh, and another reason yesterday's match doesn't mean much for the Devil Division (although I'm sure you're all sick of hearing about this by now): it's entirely possible that Hayabusa pulled a KOS-MOS/Vyse. Random under/overperformances happen all the time, and if KH's right, there was SFF in this match, which would contribute even further to this.

I don't really care whether the Devil Division's overrated, though. I'm far more concerned about Zero remaining at the top.

A far more definitive answer about the Devil Division (and VV/Ganon ins particular) comes from Celes/The Boss. Assuming that Celes/Terra and Big Boss/The Boss are close to each other, that match looked very good for Ganon supporters.

Kairi vs. KOS-MOS, who wins?!

KOS-MOS, easily. I'm convinced that 2k4 KOS was an anomaly, and XS3 goes a long way to pushing KOS up even further.
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Kaxon | Posted 10/2/2006 4:34:29 PM | message detail
I hate Vegas odds, so I'll do percentages.

Sonic > Male Bracket - 25% (Do I misunderstand or do the 25:1 people really think Sonic only has a 4% chance of winning the male side?)
Vince > Sonic - 20%
Snake > Megaman - 35%
Sephiroth > Cloud in royale - 45%
Cloud > Link in royale - 25%
PoP evading a doubling from Kirby - ?
Dante > Yoshi - 67%
Jill > Peach - 50%
Kratos > Ryu - 10%
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/2/2006 4:37:37 PM | message detail
Assuming that Celes/Terra and Big Boss/The Boss are close to each other, that match looked very good for Ganon supporters.

I'd wager that The Boss is closer to Ocelot than Big Boss at this point, and my projections put Celes not far below Terra.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/2/2006 4:40:28 PM | message detail
What did you do for Peach? Guess as well?

Pretty much. There's nothing to base her on. Note that I originally had Jill at her 2004 value, but...that put her below Ada Wong's original projection. To fix it, I moved Jade from 11.00% to 9.00% and it made things look better. I just decided to keep Jill where she was though.

Gotta keep that Jill > Peach spirit alive!
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trannyscience | Posted 10/2/2006 5:04:56 PM | message detail
hmm.. is Sora like Crono, where his vote patterns are different from his game / other characters? Sora's starting to increase now for whatever reason. maybe he's got more of an evening vote than we thought.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/2/2006 5:17:17 PM | message detail
I think this is more indicative of Tingle. Not that Tingle would seem to have a stronger day vote than most other Zelda/Nintendo characters, but he probably gets an 'anti-night' vote instead. The hardcore gamers that actually know him (and aren't *that* friendly toward Zelda to begin with) would make the day and night votes seem more extreme.

I'd expect Sora to gain in the day against, say, Ganondorf.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/2/2006 5:20:27 PM | message detail
So, who's ready for the inevitable board explosion tomorrow?

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Draco1214 | Posted 10/2/2006 5:21:17 PM | message detail
I know I am. The PW supporters are already going crazy rallying for Phoenix.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/2/2006 5:22:31 PM | message detail
If PW can win I'll sort of welcome it...we haven't had an upset yet, and this would be pretty big.

If the match is competitive, though, I'll consider it a miracle.
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greatone10 | Posted 10/2/2006 5:24:47 PM | message detail
It's not going to be a board expolosion, it's a board IMPLOSION.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/2/2006 5:25:29 PM | message detail
Yeah, I'm worried about more than the board exploding tomorrow...
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dragoontheguy | Posted 10/2/2006 5:28:56 PM | message detail
When people realize PW never stood any semblence of a chance to win, I'll expect the board to go insane tomorrow. There's already tons of topics on the match. In fact I don't recall there ever being so many board topics about a match before it even starts in recent memory.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/2/2006 5:29:35 PM | message detail
I've never seen so much discussion for a fodder-fodder match anyway.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 10/2/2006 5:30:25 PM | message detail
It's hilarious, but there will be more whining/gloating tomorrow than any of the Mario/Crono matches or contest finals.

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Draco1214 | Posted 10/2/2006 5:31:38 PM | message detail
It won't be as bad if Freeman wins since most of this board agrees it'll be an easy Gordon Freeman victory.

However, if Phoenix Wright wins...oh boy...
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/2/2006 5:32:27 PM | message detail
Yeah, this could turn into another Ansem/CATS if Phoenix wins or even leads for any prolonged period of time.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 10/2/2006 5:32:55 PM | message detail
Phoenix losing will cause a mixture of whining, gloating, and tons of topics talking about world implosion or something.

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longbladeofhiko | Posted 10/2/2006 5:33:51 PM | message detail
It's hilarious, but there will be more whining/gloating tomorrow than any of the Mario/Crono matches or contest finals.

Its sad because its probably true!
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greatone10 | Posted 10/2/2006 5:35:08 PM | message detail
Most people will probably laugh their asses off if Gordon somehow loses.

Personally, I think Gordon hitting 70% is more likely than Phoenix winning, but I'd love to see Phoenix pull off the upset.
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Big Bob | Posted 10/2/2006 5:35:21 PM | message detail
If Phoenix wins it'll be one of the most hilarious contest matches going all the way back to...Gordon/Tina.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/2/2006 5:36:27 PM | message detail
Personally, I think Gordon hitting 70% is more likely than Phoenix winning, but I'd love to see Phoenix pull off the upset.

I personally think Gordon's going to destroy him as well, but most people are going conservative for GFNW reasons.
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trannyscience | Posted 10/2/2006 5:37:43 PM | message detail
actually, most people are abandoning Phoenix. all of the high people in the Oracle are afraid of getting burned and changed their Phoenix picks to like 60% Gordon picks.

lol groupthink
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