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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 374

Karma Hunter | Posted 10/1/2006 10:39:51 PM | message detail
And another -- SSStylish !!

Oh wait, should have used that one last match. Oh well!
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Shoenin_Kakashi | Posted 10/1/2006 10:41:50 PM | message detail
Carmen got owned as hard as she did because she didnt have the A capella group with her.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/1/2006 10:42:54 PM | message detail
That's Rockapella, friend! And don't you forget it. *spins, poses*
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Incompetence | Posted 10/1/2006 10:53:25 PM | message detail
So, when exactly is the universe imploding tomorrow? After Gordon takes the lead from Phoenix? After Gordon has a 5000 vote lead? Once the match ends and Gordon's name is colored green next to Sora's?


Hell, has Gordon ever had the lead in any of his matches before?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/1/2006 10:59:59 PM | message detail
Gordon got very close to Fisher early in their match, but never held the lead. He might have had it against Max, though.
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transience | Posted 10/1/2006 11:03:09 PM | message detail
75% scoffs at Sora.
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HaRRicH | Posted 10/1/2006 11:05:20 PM | message detail
When Gordon's name goes green. Think of the time-period before that like death row.
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Janus5000 | Posted 10/1/2006 11:05:34 PM | message detail
Gordon Freeman Never Wins. He's allowed to lead as long as it doesn't involve winning in the end.

Well, technically he can (and probably will) win, but we like to remain optimistic about the state of the universe.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/1/2006 11:06:46 PM | message detail
Sora, hurry up and get over 75% you joker, so I can rest in peace!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/1/2006 11:08:16 PM | message detail
Ugh...GF/PW percentages are killing me. I've gone everywhere from Gordon with 50.5% to Gordon with 61.5%.

...what kind of percentage are you supposed to expect from a Gordon win, anyway?!
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TheCruelAngel | Posted 10/1/2006 11:08:21 PM | message detail
So, I can't tell. Is Sora performing as well as he should given KH2, or is he underperforming?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/1/2006 11:08:59 PM | message detail
He's doing around what most thought he would...take that as you will.
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Janus5000 | Posted 10/1/2006 11:09:10 PM | message detail
I could see Freeman going anywhere from 49% to 69% tomorrow.
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transience | Posted 10/1/2006 11:09:28 PM | message detail
no one knows, and I don't think it really matters. I can't imagine trying to gauge strength off a joke character. anyone who thinks Samus is showing weakness because of Nidoran F is also way off.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/1/2006 11:10:50 PM | message detail
I can't imagine trying to gauge strength off a joke character.

Unfortunately, the longest running joke character in the contest predicted two contest champions in a row...
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transience | Posted 10/1/2006 11:12:41 PM | message detail
knew you were gonna say that... I think CATS and these new jokes are different. everyone gets the joke with CATS while Tingle and Nidoran F.. well, no one cares about them at all.
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Janus5000 | Posted 10/1/2006 11:13:26 PM | message detail
It's a shame he couldn't predict DARKNESS > Ganondorf in round 2. The pig was supposed to be weaker !!
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transience | Posted 10/1/2006 11:14:39 PM | message detail
dammit, there goes 75%. time for Sora to start rolling him!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/1/2006 11:14:50 PM | message detail
It's a shame he couldn't predict DARKNESS > Ganondorf in round 2. The pig was supposed to be weaker !!

Well, it's a well known fact that CATS massively underperforms with a face pic, so it was to be expected.
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consolefreak | Posted 10/2/2006 12:23:52 AM | message detail
So, I can't tell. Is Sora performing as well as he should given KH2, or is he underperforming?

It's hard to tell for Sora. KH gets heavily anti-voted here, it can't blow anything out it seems. Although 75% on tingle is certainly a lot more impressive than 71.5% on Agent 47 IMO.


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transience | Posted 10/2/2006 2:57:21 AM | message detail
Tingle's fighting to keep him under 75% here!

just for kicks:

Sora (2004c) VS Master Hand (2005v)

Sora has a strength of 28.93.
Master Hand has a strength of 13.61.

Sora wins with 76.48% of the vote!
A win of 45,852 with 86,586 total votes cast.

who here takes Tingle over Master Hand?
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YoboD | Posted 10/2/2006 3:05:51 AM | message detail
How could you belittle Master Hand to Tingle's level?
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/2/2006 5:35:55 AM | message detail
This match makes me lose a little more faith in humanity, but I can't say this was entirely unexpected.

Going back to the last topic:

and today's match hardly provides conclusive evidence to support your whole "The Devil Division wasn't overrated!" because Dante's projected to get 63.72% in this match or something similar. It's not way ahead of the projection right now.

But the fact of the matter is that Dante DID finish ahead of his projection by 1.5% there. Of course, if we factor in your "LOL DEVIL DIVISION IS OVERRATED BY 2%!" here, he "overperformed" by even more. He would've been expected to get 61.36% if you drop Dante by that 2% that you said, meaning Dante 2006 gets 55% on Dante 2005. That's a noticeable boost there of about 3.5% for him, if you drop him down to where you think the Devil Division "actually" is.

Now if you keep him to where he was in 2005, Dante gets a modest boost of about 1.5% here, which certainly sounds more reasonable than 3.5% considering he had nothing new.

But if Ganondorf does defeat Vincent, it won't change my mind about the Devil Division unless he wins by a significant margin (as in, 52-53%+), and even then, I'd be hesitant to accept any sort of "overratedness." I've never bought into the idea because it never made any sense. People only threw that in there because things didn't "look right," which is a stupid reason to make any kind of adjustment. Tingle getting 25% of the vote doesn't look right to me, but I'm not calling for an overperformance. Base an adjustment off of performances, and if you do that, the Devil Division is fine.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/2/2006 6:13:54 AM | message detail
By the way, based off of a constant Hayabusa, Dante stands at about 34.20% on BL, between Zelda and Kirby. Of course, I suppose we can't rule out some sort of overperformance by Dante, but as it stands, the Devil Division is looking pretty good to me! What a shock!

Honestly, I'm not feeling as good about Zero winning his four-pack right now. He might beat Luigi, but I'm beginning to doubt him against Kirby.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/2/2006 8:27:48 AM | message detail
At the 11:25 mark, this match has 53999 votes. To compare with other matches at the same time:

Samus/Nidoran F - 49552
Zelda/Carmen - 51399
Squall/Tidus - 50370
Dante/Hayabusa - 55606
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/2/2006 8:32:14 AM | message detail
Also, currently based on 2004 Sora, Tingle stands at 14.26% on BL, only above Manny and Yuri in the 2005 stats. Of course, we're dealing with a stronger Sora, but he has to hit about 30.50% on BL before Tingle hits 15% himself.

By contrast, Nidoran F stands at 15.13% on BL based on 2005 Samus. Sounds like we'd have a barnburner on our hands!
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creativename | Posted 10/2/2006 8:33:01 AM | message detail
I think Zero/Kirby is very debatable right now. We pretty much all agree that Kirby is overrated is last year's standings by a significant amount, so even if Zero isn't underrated and nothing changed since last year he could well win anyway.

I think it's close to being a tossup right now. I have more faith in Zero myself, for no particular reason.
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GyratingGrandma | Posted 10/2/2006 8:41:53 AM | message detail
If I had to guess I'd say Kirby is overrated by 3% or so, and I still have him taking the four pack, that entire thing could go any way, and I wouldn't be surprised at all... unless PoP pulled one straight from the depths of his anus, but that's enough wishful thinking for now.

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BDawg | Posted 10/2/2006 8:43:19 AM | message detail
I don't even know why Kirby has strength, his series sure didn't. I guess people really love him in Smash Bros. Mini-Falcon punch anyone?
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GyratingGrandma | Posted 10/2/2006 8:44:14 AM | message detail
Character design.

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 10/2/2006 8:45:35 AM | message detail
1. Metroid likely SFF'd Kirby.

2. Kirby has gotten way stronger since 2k2. Smash is obviously not the main source of this newfound strength.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/2/2006 8:59:48 AM | message detail
We pretty much all agree that Kirby is overrated is last year's standings by a significant amount

A significant amount? I don't believe it's significant. Even if Kirby fell into exact proportion with Squall from last year (which I highly doubt), he's still at 31.64% on BL (and that's with Squall at his highest mark), he still gets 49.29% on Zero by that mark, and I'm having more and more doubts about this Mario SFFing him stuff.

Also, Kirby being that low just makes Tidus look really bad, 26.80% on BL to be exact. That's barely above Rikku, and if Yuna is underrated by any amount, that would make her stronger.
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GyratingGrandma | Posted 10/2/2006 9:01:51 AM | message detail
Yuna is underrated, but you have to remember they got FFX, along with FFX-2, which is a very popular game, despite what people here may think of it. I wouldn't be shocked to see them on the same level of Tidus.

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GyratingGrandma | Posted 10/2/2006 9:02:28 AM | message detail
Also, to add onto that, I wouldn't expect it either, if I didn't know anything about contests, but it's not like it's that hard to swallow.

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Who Cares? | Posted 10/2/2006 9:25:28 AM | message detail
Also, currently based on 2004 Sora, Tingle stands at 14.26% on BL, only above Manny and Yuri in the 2005 stats. Of course, we're dealing with a stronger Sora, but he has to hit about 30.50% on BL before Tingle hits 15% himself.

After reading that, just for kicks I decided to go and check just where some of the newcomers would land on the BL based on their opponent's 2k5 Adjusted levels. Just to get an idea of how the final rankings may look early on.

Marle - 20.29% (Assuming Aeris = Tifa)
Sheena - 18.04% (Assuming Jill = Ryu H)
Ivy - 15.99%
Kasumi - 15.58%
Nidoran F - 15.13%
Amy Rose - 14.72%
Lenneth - 13.28%
Soma - 13.20%
Cortana - 13.12%
Roll - 10.80%
Carmen - 9.38%
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XIII_rocks | Posted 10/2/2006 9:42:58 AM | message detail
KHII released in Europe on Friday.

Slight Sora overperformance FTW?
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Haste_2 | Posted 10/2/2006 9:44:36 AM | message detail
Interesting how Dante EXCEEDED the x-stats predictions, when two different signs pointed to it being the opposite. I expected Ryu H to grow, but that makes Dante's margin of victory even more extreme... Maybe Dante just gained a bit, while Ryu H didn't budge...it's not rare for a new game to do nothing for a character. I suppose there's the possibility of SFF, which is all that Yoshi can possibly hope for at this point.

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GyratingGrandma | Posted 10/2/2006 9:46:39 AM | message detail
DMC3 has doubled it's sales since the last contest, and DMC2 has gone greatest hits, Dante had plenty of reason to boost again this year, especially with DMC: Greatest Hits Collection coming out prior to Yoshi/Dante, which will probably end up overrating Ryu H.

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HoorayProxies | Posted 10/2/2006 9:49:02 AM | message detail
Actually he's getting DMC: GHC 4 days after his match with Yoshi, not like he'll need it anyway, he's just saving it for Snake.

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 10/2/2006 10:14:28 AM | message detail
Who Cares brought up something I was planning on working on myself. That is, preliminary statistics after round 1, just to see how they play out. Of course, for several characters we'll have to place guestimated values on them, but it'll be interesting to see if they line up.
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Kaxon | Posted 10/2/2006 10:49:03 AM | message detail
I think CATS and these new jokes are different. everyone gets the joke with CATS

I don't believe that actually... the best explanation for face CATS doing so much better is that a lot of people didn't know he was the All Your Base guy when he had the eggplant pic.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 10/2/2006 10:52:04 AM | message detail
But the fact of the matter is that Dante DID finish ahead of his projection by 1.5% there. Of course, if we factor in your "LOL DEVIL DIVISION IS OVERRATED BY 2%!" here, he "overperformed" by even more.

Yes, minus the fact that I have said time and time again that if he was overrated in 2005, he would have gained it back in 2006 thanks to DMC3: SE. He would have at least gotten back to his 2005 levels through that, which makes that match nothing remotely conclusive -- and it isn't. Unless, of course, you think Dante is boosting from his 2005 value by enough amount to be considered near-elite.

Now if you keep him to where he was in 2005, Dante gets a modest boost of about 1.5% here, which certainly sounds more reasonable than 3.5% considering he had nothing new.

Uh, yeah, he had DMC3: SE, which sold about as many copies as the original DMC3 sold. I would hope he could get a bit more than a measly 1.5% from that. That larger boost would make much more sense if he were overrated in 2005 and got back up to around those levels in 2006. Doing around a percent better than expected is nothing to get worked up about.

Tingle getting 25% of the vote doesn't look right to me, but I'm not calling for an overperformance. Base an adjustment off of performances, and if you do that, the Devil Division is fine.

Because there's no reason to call for a Tingle overperformance here. Vincent faced two Square characters back-to-back and had something come out before his match with Crono. There's reason to think he would have overrated that division whereas there's no reason to call an overperformance here. When you have that with unnaturally large boosts for some characters that shouldn't get them, it makes sense why people would raising having question marks about that division.

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XIII_rocks | Posted 10/2/2006 10:54:20 AM | message detail
Sora is overperforming today.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 10/2/2006 10:54:55 AM | message detail
By the way, based off of a constant Hayabusa, Dante stands at about 34.20% on BL, between Zelda and Kirby. Of course, I suppose we can't rule out some sort of overperformance by Dante, but as it stands, the Devil Division is looking pretty good to me! What a shock!

There's absolutely nothing conclusive from that match. What a shock!

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The Real Truth | Posted 10/2/2006 10:57:11 AM | message detail
Ganon > Sonic











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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/2/2006 10:57:31 AM | message detail
Well, Sora seems to have gotten a piece of that day vote...but Tingle seems to be hanging tough in there. Tougher than Yoshi.

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Heroic Mario | Posted 10/2/2006 10:58:54 AM | message detail
Tingle hanging in there is good stuff!!

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XIII_rocks | Posted 10/2/2006 11:03:00 AM | message detail
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Karma Hunter | Posted 10/2/2006 11:04:28 AM | message detail
As usual, the European side of things factors into little for me when concerning the GameFAQs contests. lol SFII
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 10/2/2006 11:10:06 AM | message detail
All KH2's European release will do is make the KH Crew's day vote slightly weaker.
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