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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 372

Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 9/29/2006 10:06:34 PM | message detail
Yoshi is still losing a decent bit of percentage here. Riku's now over 43% and I'm expecting Riku to do better during the day.


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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/29/2006 10:07:46 PM | message detail
Yoshi's already a bit under his projection and the day vote hasnt hit yet. I think he may be a wee bit overrated, and such a fact makes me even more confident in Zero>Luigi.

Are you totally blind of KH2 or something?
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Riku vs. Yoshi / Bracket: Yoshi / Vote: Yoshi (17/18)
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MarkSmith | Posted 9/29/2006 10:08:07 PM | message detail
I think Riku's gonna break 45%. Attn: poeple who took Luigi this round: kiss your brackets goodbye.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/29/2006 10:08:30 PM | message detail
I honestly can't see Yoshi failing the day vote at all. At the very minumum I can see Riku keeping the percent close to even.

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Janus5000 | Posted 9/29/2006 10:08:31 PM | message detail
That was Riku's best update so far.

Riku will obviously completely own the DAR-, er, night vote.
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MarkSmith | Posted 9/29/2006 10:10:41 PM | message detail
MarioSuperstar
Posted 9/29/2006 11:07:46 PM
message detail Yoshi's already a bit under his projection and the day vote hasnt hit yet. I think he may be a wee bit overrated, and such a fact makes me even more confident in Zero>Luigi.

Are you totally blind of KH2 or something?



Supposedly though this whole "lol Nintendofaqs" logic means Nintendo characters boost and exceed their projections no matter what this year. Its the reason people are picking Luigi. This match shows how poor that logic is.
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AmazingKirby | Posted 9/29/2006 10:11:35 PM | message detail
I think Riku is getting the night vote better than he will the day vote. Considering KH's opponents have been Castlevania, Resident Evil, and Metal Gear, I think it can get a good night vote with someone like Yoshi.
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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 9/29/2006 10:13:11 PM | message detail
Supposedly though this whole "lol Nintendofaqs" logic means Nintendo characters boost and exceed their projections no matter what this year.

Er, you do know Riku was in KH2 right? The one thing that could possibly cancel out NintendoFAQs?

Besides, Yoshi has no real projections since no one has a real base value to project him on.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/29/2006 10:14:24 PM | message detail
This match shows how poor that logic is.

No it doesn't. You can't just judge it from a character who is not only potentially underrated due to Samus' SFF match with Mario, but getting a boost to boot.
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Riku vs. Yoshi / Bracket: Yoshi / Vote: Yoshi (17/18)
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VanGauard | Posted 9/29/2006 10:16:57 PM | message detail
Man, My theory about how you guys might was just all wrong. My entry is totally screwed up. but in the long run I suppose it doesn't matter, Samus kicks everyones ass! But I am never gonna win, so like I said it doesn't matter.
transience | Posted 9/29/2006 10:36:16 PM | message detail
hmm.. pretty much what I expected here. I don't expect the percentage to fluctuate too much here. KH has shown that it's got a strong day vote, but it's always been against things that suck in the day - Castlevania, Resident Evil, etc. Nintendo is not just going to fold in the daytime. KH might drop the percentage by 1% or so, but I wouldn't expect this to turn into Riku / Frog II. Frog and Yoshi are miles apart. and while we're at it, Halo / Master Chief is kind of the same way. it's always had crappy day vote opponents so it looks more fearsome than it really is.

also, lol @ people saying every match was "obvious" well after they're done instead of before. especially when said person has been trying to debate them for the last two weeks.

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AmazingKirby | Posted 9/29/2006 10:38:46 PM | message detail
lol @ every match being pretty much what tranny expected.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/29/2006 10:39:13 PM | message detail
tranny's prediction is pretty much what I expected
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transience | Posted 9/29/2006 10:40:00 PM | message detail
not yesterday's!!
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transience | Posted 9/29/2006 10:40:55 PM | message detail
hey, I got a thirteenth place oracle prediction. and I was only off like 8%!

everyone else is so screwed
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/29/2006 10:58:44 PM | message detail
I sometimes debate matches that seem obvious, at least in my eyes. =P
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Riku vs. Yoshi / Bracket: Yoshi / Vote: Yoshi (17/18)
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transience | Posted 9/29/2006 11:09:49 PM | message detail
at 2:05, this match has 17946 votes. to compare it to some other matches:

Aeris/Marle: 17193
Tifa/Ivy: 19003
The Boss / Celes: 17718

man, Tifa/Ivy had a ton of votes. go breasts.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/29/2006 11:11:04 PM | message detail
Hmm.. is this Riku's weakest time now?
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transience | Posted 9/29/2006 11:12:26 PM | message detail
kinda hard to tell... Claire, Frog and Alucard all are horrible in the daytime. I'd say KH is decent at night and strong in the day. Nintendo characters are generally the same way.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/30/2006 12:34:56 AM | message detail
I'm pleasantly surprised that Yoshi has stabalized around 57%. That's a little under projection, but easily explained with a KH2 boost and seeding.

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transience | Posted 9/30/2006 1:23:35 AM | message detail
Yoshi's been slowly gaining here for the last two hours or so. Nintendo beating Square at night?!

just for kicks: Riku/Hayabusa, percentages. that way we can gauge Dante's performance tomorrow.
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consolefreak | Posted 9/30/2006 2:17:35 AM | message detail
Something interesting: Kingdom Hearts II has literally been 8, 9, or 10 on the Top FAQs for the last 3 weeks or so. Today, it is number 5. Europe boost? Probably.

Heh. I was so curious to see if the Europe release could boost KH2 up a bit. Glad to see it did! It'll be interesting to see if KH2 can climb a bit higher with today's match and Europe's release really kicking in.

Riku's doing a little worse than I expected here. Hopefully he can cut the percentage down some, though Samus finished with a higher percentage against Sora than she had this far into the match. Still a good performance for Riku.

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__Smurf__ | Posted 9/30/2006 2:18:31 AM | message detail
And I guess the slight chance Sora had at MegaMan is gone now too. >_<

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Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 9/30/2006 2:50:54 AM | message detail
We will never have a perfect bracket ever for a 64 character battle at this rate. This has been pretty much the easiest contest to predict and yet no one will end even close to perfect. >_<

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transience | Posted 9/30/2006 2:56:59 AM | message detail
you're nuts if you think this is the easiest contest to predict. 2k4 was easier than this.
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Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 9/30/2006 3:09:11 AM | message detail
Well its one of the easiest. No one was perfect in 2004 either.

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transience | Posted 9/30/2006 3:11:00 AM | message detail
and I'll be surprised -- no, shocked if anyone goes perfect in this one. the battle royale is likely to have Something Weird happen and none of us have any idea what that something is. throw in a bunch of debated matches in the actual bracket and it's pretty hard to predict.
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greatone10 | Posted 9/30/2006 4:45:41 AM | message detail
If Sora had not been SFFed in 2003, we would have had many perfects.
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cyko | Posted 9/30/2006 5:23:23 AM | message detail
i still think we might wind up with a perfect bracket at the end of the regular bracket. the Battle Royale is a whole different beast, but there's only about 16 more debated matches in the regular bracket. i would be so unbelieved ticked if i was the guy to get a perfect regular bracket and lose it in the Battle
Royale.

and i'm surprised that noone has mentioned it yet, but Riku has already come VERY close to wining an update. 2 updates ago Riku only lost by five votes. he also lost two updates by a single vote in the past hour. it's been somewhat inconsistent, but Riku could still pull this down into the 55/45 range. which isn't far from what i expected.

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Kaxon | Posted 9/30/2006 6:17:25 AM | message detail
16 debated matches is a lot. 2^16 is 65536, much more than the number of remaining perfect brackets. Of course those matches aren't exactly 50/50, but if the underdog wins one of them it considerably cuts down the number of perfect brackets remaining.
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Xuxon | Posted 9/30/2006 6:29:04 AM | message detail
Day vote seems clearly in favor of Riku. Yoshi's gotten 54.79% of the vote in the last hour, and I can see it continuing fairly similar to this until the end of the poll.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 9/30/2006 7:58:55 AM | message detail
Master Moltar | Posted 9/30/2006 12:03:09 AM | message detail
Yeah, it'll get closer, but there's no way this is falling under 60%


LOL Moltar

If Sora had not been SFFed in 2003, we would have had many perfects.

Or if the contest winner hadn't picked KOS-MOS > Ryu. Still can't get over that.

Either way, Riku's over 43% and will probably be gaining for a while, from the looks of the recent percentages. Let's make a few rough estimates off of this, shall we?

If Yoshi's given 2005 value is correct, Riku (percentage is 43.05% as I'm doing this) would currently stand at 24.98% on BL, .01% ahead of Frog.

If Yoshi is equal to Luigi's 2005 value, then Riku would currently stand at 26.97% on BL, in between Vivi and Rikku. He would beat his 2005 self with 55.27% in this case.

If Yoshi/Luigi 2004 holds to proportion, Yoshi would be at approximately 34.40% on BL, meaning Riku would currently stand at 29.61% on BL, nearly equal to Tidus and above 2005 Yoshi's given value. He beats his 2005 self with 59.25% in this case.

Of course, we must take into account that Riku and not just Yoshi may be underrated by a bit as well since he was in Samus's division, but we can draw a few possibilities from this (especially considering Riku will probably finish with more than what he has now):

1. If Yoshi really is at 34.40% on BL, watch out for Sora. Riku's KHII gain should pale in comparison to what he gets. If Sora gains proportionally what Riku does based on his 2004 value, he'd be worth about 34.65% on BL, right below Kirby 2005. This means Mega Man wins with 55.34% in their matchup. Keep in mind that Sora has reason to gain more than Riku as well, and that's...scary.

2. For some reason, Yoshi did not gain quite as much as his other Nintendo counterparts. There's really no explanation for this, but I don't think Riku's boost based off of Yoshi/Luigi is quite that big. He might NOT be able to beat Luigi anymore...or at least not with ease.

3. If Yoshi's given 2005 value is somehow correct, Riku's KHII isn't very big at all, which is almost what you'd expect given his particular role. If that's the case, Dante is going to roll over him.

Oh, and of course, this gives signs of good things for Squall > Snake! Just had to throw that one in there!
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LeonhartForever | Posted 9/30/2006 8:00:34 AM | message detail
Riku's KHII boost isn't very big at all, that should say.
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__Smurf__ | Posted 9/30/2006 8:01:17 AM | message detail
Whatever gain Squall got, Snake can match it.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 9/30/2006 8:02:03 AM | message detail
Against Tidus? No, Snake can't match that. Of course, there's a good reason why he can't.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/30/2006 8:07:27 AM | message detail
Psh, Snake can SFF anything. 80%+ on Tidus? Believe it, I say!

Anyway, Squall can boost to Snake's 2005 level. That's okay, Snake's beating Mega Man! And then Mega Man's beating Samus!

...don't question it!
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Heroic Viktor | Posted 9/30/2006 8:09:23 AM | message detail
Three days away from the most earth shattering match ever. Does the universe implode? Or does the ULTIMATE cult hero provide, definitively, that GFNW? I am not sure I could be more excited.

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Heroic Viktor | Posted 9/30/2006 8:14:57 AM | message detail
Also, might as well pretend there are only 2204 perfect brackets, as I apparently forgot to put Crono>Samus in the final, so my final match has the dreaded -none- winning. Come on tie!

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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/30/2006 8:17:57 AM | message detail
That's a question that's always bugged me, actually. What WOULD Cjay do if there was a tie? Run it for an extra 10 minutes?
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Guess how many teens | Posted 9/30/2006 8:21:03 AM | message detail
I think he'd run it for an extra day <_<
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/30/2006 8:22:31 AM | message detail
I say about an hour.
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Riku vs. Yoshi / Bracket: Yoshi / Vote: Yoshi (17/18)
Tomorrow / Bracket: Dante / Vote: Ryu
LeonhartForever | Posted 9/30/2006 8:22:47 AM | message detail
Uhhh...He can program it to where the poll doesn't close on a tie. A match does not have to run for exactly 24 hours.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/30/2006 8:23:48 AM | message detail
Yeah, I suspect he doesn't allow the poll to close with a tie. Just a gut feeling.
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/30/2006 8:31:30 AM | message detail
He'd close it, but not switch the match, see that there's a tie and open it for like a second or two then close it again.
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voltch | Posted 9/30/2006 8:35:09 AM | message detail
so how does this match reflect on sora?
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Ed Bellis | Posted 9/30/2006 8:35:16 AM | message detail
Or if the contest winner hadn't picked KOS-MOS > Ryu. Still can't get over that.

Didn't balrog0 claim that was a mistake on his part? I think I remember him saying that.
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swirIdude | Posted 9/30/2006 8:36:23 AM | message detail
Didn't balrog0 claim that was a mistake on his part? I think I remember him saying that.

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Haste_2 | Posted 9/30/2006 8:38:54 AM | message detail
CJayC would cast the tiebreaking vote, duh!

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LeonhartForever | Posted 9/30/2006 8:39:26 AM | message detail
Which means Crono wins!
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Who Cares? | Posted 9/30/2006 9:00:51 AM | message detail
Votals at the halfway mark:

Tifa/Ivy -- 64797 [1st]
Riku/Yoshi -- 63269
Yuna/Roll -- 61936 [2nd]
Aeris/Marle -- 59514 [5th]
The Boss/Celes -- 56916 [9th]

Looks like Tifa/Ivy may hold on to it's top spot at least until next week! HOORAY oversized jugs! :P
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