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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 372

dragoontheguy | Posted 9/29/2006 9:22:01 PM | message detail
And I don't understand how "Kairi/Claire was the only debateable match". Or are you people forgetting Boss/Celes?

I think people tend to forget debatable matches were debatable when they pick the right character, and the match ended up not being close. There's also kerrigan/terra...
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/29/2006 9:22:32 PM | message detail
Boss/Celes wasn't obvious -- my biggest fear was that she wouldn't be anywhere near where Big Boss was. I'd take him over Terra and Celes in a heartbeat, but she was the real oddball.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/29/2006 9:23:02 PM | message detail
*points to my previous post*

The only reason that match was debated is because way more people have played FF6 than MGS3 on this board.

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dragoontheguy | Posted 9/29/2006 9:23:41 PM | message detail
I was one of the people who never got the hype behind Boss/Celes. I thought The Boss was going to win with ease.

The debatability of the match came almost entirely from how little we knew about each characters possible strength.
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AmazingKirby | Posted 9/29/2006 9:23:44 PM | message detail
Looks like Riku summoned the darkness to the front page to swallow away Yoshi's votes! >_>
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dragoontheguy | Posted 9/29/2006 9:24:19 PM | message detail
DARKNESS!!!!
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/29/2006 9:25:44 PM | message detail
Eh, The Boss/Celes just felt like another Kefka/Tommy V.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 9/29/2006 9:26:56 PM | message detail
Interesting fact: The actual poll isn't covered in darkness when logged out. I've also noticed that when using ie, the content of the main page isn't dark, just the surrounding adspace.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/29/2006 9:27:21 PM | message detail
*points to my previous post*

That doesn't mean anything concerning The Boss' strength as related to Big Boss...BB would easily beat Terra and Celes, that was obvious to me from the beginning.

The only reason that match was debated is because way more people have played FF6 than MGS3 on this board.

I think it's because more people have played FF6 than MGS3 on this site.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 9/29/2006 9:27:37 PM | message detail
However I have no clue what it looks like when logged in on ie, I only took a quick peak.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/29/2006 9:29:03 PM | message detail
That doesn't mean anything concerning The Boss' strength as related to Big Boss...BB would easily beat Terra and Celes, that was obvious to me from the beginning.

The Boss had a very good chance of being stronger than BB, for a number of reasons, the biggest being that the casual MGS fanbase thinks that the main character of MGS3 is Solid Snake.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/29/2006 9:30:10 PM | message detail
She had a good chance, of course (and there's no doubt in my mind now that she is closer to Ocelot than BB). But it wasn't a lock, and if she was weaker she was in danger of losing.
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creativename | Posted 9/29/2006 9:30:55 PM | message detail
How in the world can anyone be confident Big Boss would beat Terra?
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 9/29/2006 9:31:20 PM | message detail
Score-Brackets-% Right
17-----2763-----79.8045603
16-----6474-----73.7411183
15-----8793-----70.7039691
14-----8350-----68.8143713
13-----6662-----66.8117682
12-----4340-----64.8617512
11-----2495-----62.8456914
10-----1384-----56.9364162
9------660------56.2121212
8------270------53.3333333
7------106------56.6037736
6------43-------60.4651163
5------19-------47.3684211
4------27-------29.6296296
3------40-------27.5000000
2------52-------23.0769231
1------93-------17.2043011
0------75-------12.0000000

Overall prediction percentage: 68.54%

Okay performace today. The perfects are a clear cut above the -1s with 6 percentage points better. The 0s also do well only losing 9.

10 people fell off the Top 50. leper73, deathadder79, ss4g0ku, pukerman, KohlrabiGod, fish_gonzo, Medea53, BobTheFishyFish, stayinalive84 and KingofSweden had Tidus taking down Squall.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/29/2006 9:31:34 PM | message detail
Of course it wasn't a lock. No match is a lock except for 1/8 matches, and even then Starcraft has proved that that isn't a sure fire thing. What I'm saying is that Boss was the obvious choice.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/29/2006 9:32:25 PM | message detail
How in the world can anyone be confident Big Boss would beat Terra?

...because Ganondorf is underrated...
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/29/2006 9:32:46 PM | message detail
From MarioSuperstar Posted 9/30/2006 12:21:03 AM
Boss/Celes was debatable, but I, myself, found it obvious.

And that's exactly how I felt about Kairi/Claire

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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/29/2006 9:33:53 PM | message detail
Yoshi is kicking some ass! Go Yoshi!

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/29/2006 9:34:42 PM | message detail
If Riku actually goes even with Yoshi during the day, this'll be Riku/Frog v 2.0 in a hurry.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/29/2006 9:35:50 PM | message detail
Ah, I was just reminded of why I love contest times. Someone claiming that Alucard is in a 'league of his own', Percentage Gain=Comeback, Kratos>Ryu...I love newbs.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/29/2006 9:35:52 PM | message detail
That'll be damn hard for Riku, though. Yoshi is no Frog.

Looking at Samus/Sora, it was mostly consistent. I don't expect the day to affect this percentage greatly, though I guess we'll see.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/29/2006 9:35:56 PM | message detail
How in the world can anyone be confident Big Boss would beat Terra?

I know I would have complete confidence in Big Boss over Terra, especially considering that Ganon was definitely underrated that year.

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Draco1214 | Posted 9/29/2006 9:36:10 PM | message detail
Yoshi just keeps on dropping percentage.

I think Riku will at least go even with Yoshi during the day.
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creativename | Posted 9/29/2006 9:36:19 PM | message detail
...because Ganondorf is underrated...

There's still no way in hell one can say with any confidence that Big Boss would beat Terra.

I might be inclined to take him simply because he's a male, but it would be very iffy.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 9/29/2006 9:38:10 PM | message detail
By go even, do you mean match him vote for vote? Because I very much doubt that riku is going to manage that.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/29/2006 9:38:59 PM | message detail
If the percentages remain constant we're looking at a ~55/56-44/45 finish. But it's KH. We could easily see Yoshi score something like 53-54%, if not less.

Either the board vote favored Yoshi but the bracket vote actually favored Riku, a large KH2 boost is in effect (Kairi backs this up, because no way in hell she beats Claire last year), or Yoshi is just overrated. Dante might actually beat him, depending on how overrated he himself is.

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creativename | Posted 9/29/2006 9:39:03 PM | message detail
By 'going even', do people mean Riku will split the vote 50/50 or that the percentage won't swing during the day? Because I can't see Riku splitting the vote with Yoshi during the day. I think Yoshi will do better during the day than he will overnight.

Percentage Gain=Comeback

No chance of a Riku comeback here, but momentum is often a very important thing in these contests due to voting patterns.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/29/2006 9:39:51 PM | message detail
From creativename Posted 9/30/2006 12:39:03 AM #327
By 'going even', do people mean Riku will split the vote 50/50 or that the percentage won't swing during the day?

Yeah.

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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/29/2006 9:40:06 PM | message detail
I really think people are overrating just how much favor Riku will get with the day vote. He may bring down the percentage a bit, but we're not going to see anything that drastic. This is a Nintendo character he's up against -- they tend to get a very favorable day vote.

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Draco1214 | Posted 9/29/2006 9:41:48 PM | message detail
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Gaddswell | Posted 9/29/2006 9:42:41 PM | message detail
Yoshi is no Frog

Actually, Yoshi's quite similar to frog. The long tongue for one thing is noticable and they're both green.

Anyways, Yoshi just dropped below 57.5%. All those spread betters who picked Yoshi look like they're going to be losing money. Anyone here think that Yoshi can return to 58% or will Riku continue to chip away at the percentage points?
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/29/2006 9:42:56 PM | message detail
This is a Nintendo character he's up against -- they tend to get a very favorable day vote.

Look at what Sora did to Samus. The percentage barely moved during the day.
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AmazingKirby | Posted 9/29/2006 9:43:19 PM | message detail
Riku/Frog never happened, and this is Riku's first appearance, getting 42.5% on Yoshi:

Everyone: "OMG, WHOA!"
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Everyone: "Gee wiz, Riku isn't winning, what a flop."

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dragoontheguy | Posted 9/29/2006 9:43:59 PM | message detail
Look at what Sora did to Samus. The percentage barely moved during the day.

Err... wouldn't that add credence to the argument that riku won't be able to do much during the day to yoshi?
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/29/2006 9:44:04 PM | message detail
I think Yoshi will pick it up during the day and probably end up close to 60% by the end.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 9/29/2006 9:44:26 PM | message detail
I think Riku is benefiting from a nice KHII boost and that Yoshi is doing a fine job here. Of course, it'll be very hard to see this in the first round, especially with the KH characters themselves. Yoshi was behind SFF last year, Sora is up against a complete wild card (think Nidoran F x5), and Kairi and Axel are both new. The best read will probably come from Auron.
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/29/2006 9:45:04 PM | message detail
Err... wouldn't that add credence to the argument that riku won't be able to do much during the day to yoshi?

I'm not expecting Riku to outright win the day vote, but I'm expecting Yoshi to remain stable throughout the day.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/29/2006 9:45:16 PM | message detail
Yoshi looks impressive against Riku: "OMG what happened to that KH2 boost fellas???"

Riku looks impressive against Yoshi: "OMG Yoshi is so overrated LOL"

Even where Yoshi is based on Laharl from last year, this is still better than Riku was expected to do. I consider that Yoshi's absolute floor.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 9/29/2006 9:46:06 PM | message detail
I'm not expecting Riku to outright win the day vote, but I'm expecting Yoshi to remain stable throughout the day.

Oh, I thought you were arguing that riku would either match yoshivote for vote during the day, or that he would knock off a huge percentage. My bad. >_>
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/29/2006 9:47:01 PM | message detail
Bowser 2005 scores 55.21% on Dante 2005.
Bowser scored 43.67% on Yoshi in 2003.

Sure Dante may be overrated in 2005, but Bowser probably was overrated as well.

Yoshi is relying on NintendoFAQs factor (and Dante could seriously get burned by that), Dante being overrated and getting SFFd by Bowser to win, more or less.

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Draco1214 | Posted 9/29/2006 9:47:12 PM | message detail
And it looks like it's stabilizing around the 57% range. This is a good performance by Riku, but it doesn't tell us much about where Yoshi stands.
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/29/2006 9:47:16 PM | message detail
Truth to be told, I think Yoshi has a slightly better day vote than Samus. If anyone cared...

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Haste_2 | Posted 9/29/2006 9:48:31 PM | message detail
Heh, that's right. What I think IS the truth!

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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/29/2006 9:49:02 PM | message detail
Bowser scored 43.67% on Yoshi in 2003.

Uh....

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/29/2006 9:49:42 PM | message detail
Oh you know what I meant, jeez.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/29/2006 9:51:20 PM | message detail
Heh.

Personally, I picked Yoshi, my reasoning being that I think both Bowser and Dante are overrated in the 2005 stats, and that Yoshi is underrated due to Mega Man's SFF but the main reason that I picked Yoshi is that I couldn't give to ****s about my bracket and thought it would be funny if Yoshi won.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/29/2006 9:52:12 PM | message detail
Yeah, Bowser's proportion with Yoshi suggests that Dante has the advantage, while Yoshi's proportion with Luigi suggests that Yoshi has the advantage. However, Yoshi's match is more recent, and I also cut some slack on Bowser's end because it's just that much harder to increase in strength when you're that much stronger. A character that can go 50/50 with Snake is pretty damn strong.
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Janus5000 | Posted 9/29/2006 10:02:13 PM | message detail
Strong enough to get beat 70/30 by Samus!
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/29/2006 10:02:55 PM | message detail
Yoshi is doing fine, as long as he doesn't drop like a rock during the day.
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MarkSmith | Posted 9/29/2006 10:04:17 PM | message detail
Yoshi's already a bit under his projection and the day vote hasnt hit yet. I think he may be a wee bit overrated, and such a fact makes me even more confident in Zero>Luigi.
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