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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 371

TheCruelAngel | Posted 9/28/2006 9:20:56 PM | message detail
Wow. Squall for the tripling?
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dragoontheguy | Posted 9/28/2006 9:21:34 PM | message detail
0_o @ that last update. Based on a static Tidus, Squall now beats Link!

Squall for 2k6 battle royale champion!
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FFDragon | Posted 9/28/2006 9:22:03 PM | message detail
This day is... so nice...

And I got lead Squall to victory!
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/28/2006 9:22:12 PM | message detail
Oh, I see. Well, it IS an SFF match.. don't take too much from it.
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Squall Leonhart vs. Tidus / Bracket: Squall / Vote: Tidus (16/17)
Tomorrow / Bracket: Yoshi / Vote: Yoshi
MegatokyoEd | Posted 9/28/2006 9:22:17 PM | message detail
Squall is getting dangerously close to getting as much on Tidus as he did on GENO.
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/28/2006 9:23:34 PM | message detail
Alright, the next step in proving Kirby's overratedness needs to be the Prince of Persia overperforming...
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Current Prediction - Squall Leonhart vs. Tidus
dragoontheguy | Posted 9/28/2006 9:24:58 PM | message detail
This really doesn't prove anything about kirby... it's pretty obvious sff. Unless you actually think Tidus is nearly as weak as Geno of all people. >_>
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TheCruelAngel | Posted 9/28/2006 9:25:11 PM | message detail
=(
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Warden: Talk! What is SeeD all about!?
Squall: ...Flower.
Kyle Bowen | Posted 9/28/2006 9:25:50 PM | message detail
Oh, I see. Well, it IS an SFF match.. don't take too much from it.

SFF is not going to account for a 30% turn change... I dont think.


KB
Draco1214 | Posted 9/28/2006 9:25:55 PM | message detail
There's definitely SFF involved, but Square SFF has never been this severe.
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TheCruelAngel | Posted 9/28/2006 9:26:18 PM | message detail
Tidus is more likely to take the day vote, correct?
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Squall: ...Flower.
therealmnm | Posted 9/28/2006 9:27:11 PM | message detail
I'm still catching up, but I'm surprised the Analysis Crew didn't take Squall to be beating Tidus by more. I saw a lot of 60-40s and such. Seeing how Kirby beat Tidus down, and this being a SFF match against two FF leads, I would have taken Squall to get at least 65% on Tidus. He's exceeding even that. I mean, Squall/Cloud shows that SFF goes down between FF leads. I know Tidus has the PS2 fanbase, but he's still Tidus. Anyways, still catching up...
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/28/2006 9:27:16 PM | message detail
SFF is not going to account for a 30% turn change... I dont think.

Yes, but nonetheless, how badly Tidus gets SFF'd won't say much about his actual value.
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Squall Leonhart vs. Tidus / Bracket: Squall / Vote: Tidus (16/17)
Tomorrow / Bracket: Yoshi / Vote: Yoshi
The n00b Avenger | Posted 9/28/2006 9:27:19 PM | message detail
Oh jesus this is brutal
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greatone10 | Posted 9/28/2006 9:29:27 PM | message detail
To think that Squall could potentially be overrated due to Vincent, and yet he is still pulling this kind of percentage on Tee-dus.
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/28/2006 9:29:41 PM | message detail
I thought about comparing Tidus/Squall to Cloud/Squall, but I figured Squall and Tidus were relatively in the same league, but...well, so much for that.

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Kyle Bowen | Posted 9/28/2006 9:30:57 PM | message detail
Tidus is more likely to take the day vote, correct?

I dont know... KHF could give it to Squall.


KB
therealmnm | Posted 9/28/2006 9:31:14 PM | message detail
Oh, and what's all this talk about Tidus being better than Squall? Squall may not have been the most likable character in FFVIII, but KH Squall rocks! Plus he's voiced by Angel, who all the girls like.

IT'S OVER!
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ExquisiteSamurai | Posted 9/28/2006 9:31:53 PM | message detail
Man.. At this point, I wonder what Cloud would get on Tidus..

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Haste_2 | Posted 9/28/2006 9:32:18 PM | message detail
Tidus'll get the day vote, but not a huge one.

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TheCruelAngel | Posted 9/28/2006 9:34:32 PM | message detail
You know what I'm feeling? Squall upsetting second round opposition a la 2003!
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Squall: ...Flower.
therealmnm | Posted 9/28/2006 9:35:19 PM | message detail
Still catching up, but the only significance this match had for me was to see if Tidus actually stood up to Squall, which would have raised flags for me on Squall's strength. Tidus isn't getting any more popular, and I definitely don't see him able to get ANY SFF against other Square leads (not even Sora). Squall's doing as expected for me here.
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AmazingKirby | Posted 9/28/2006 9:35:32 PM | message detail
So, can we finally agree that Rikku and Yuna > Tidus?

I say yes!
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dragoontheguy | Posted 9/28/2006 9:36:06 PM | message detail
There's definitely SFF involved, but Square SFF has never been this severe.

Square sff has proven itself to be very severe before, and even if you assume tidus is overrated, the sff is still ridiculous. I'd say it's better to wait for a match that actually gives us a better idea of if kirby, and maybe bowser were overrated in 2k5 instead of trying to make sense of an sff-fest. There's simply no way of knowing if any of this is tidus being overrated.
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ExquisiteSamurai | Posted 9/28/2006 9:37:26 PM | message detail
TheCruelAngel
Posted 9/28/2006 9:34:32 PM
message detail You know what I'm feeling? Squall upsetting second round opposition a la 2003!


TCA .. I couldn't hope for more!

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therealmnm | Posted 9/28/2006 9:40:51 PM | message detail
Looks like I missed some good discussion earlier on regarding Dante, Zero, Auron, etc...
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Garsha_III | Posted 9/28/2006 9:41:55 PM | message detail
So, can we finally agree that Rikku and Yuna > Tidus?

Yeah... right. SFF is playing a big factor in this match. Rikku and Yuna will undoubtedly perform worse than Tidus is doing right now.

Don't let your feminine taste pull you too far, boy.
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/28/2006 9:42:25 PM | message detail
I think it's pretty clear Auron would beat Tidus, don't you think? =p

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Hidan | Posted 9/28/2006 9:44:00 PM | message detail
Auron > Tidus is too obvious to laugh at.
Garsha_III | Posted 9/28/2006 9:44:01 PM | message detail
Now that's possible.
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transience | Posted 9/28/2006 9:45:28 PM | message detail
heh, before 2k5 that was all the talk - Tidus or Auron? now it's more like Tidus or Rikku?

Tidus just strikes me as the kind of guy who sucks when you put him up against a good opponent. Mega Man pretty much proved this in my mind. I wanted to go higher, but I just couldn't see him getting beat down like Geno did. guess I underestimated Squall yet again.
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/28/2006 9:45:45 PM | message detail
Auron vs. Tidus WOULD be laughable... =p

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therealmnm | Posted 9/28/2006 9:46:01 PM | message detail
I *never* would have taken Tidus to beat Auron. Auron's whole purpose in FFX was to look superior to Tidus. It's even worse than the Zero > X stigma of the MMX series. Auron establishes himself over Tidus from the very start of the game.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 9/28/2006 9:46:44 PM | message detail
QUICK WITHOUT THINKING

Bowser or Squall? I'd take Bowser.
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/28/2006 9:46:45 PM | message detail
Me neither. Some people expressed doubt in that, though.

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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 9/28/2006 9:47:09 PM | message detail
I would never take a side character over the main one. Never.
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TheCruelAngel | Posted 9/28/2006 9:47:18 PM | message detail
I'd take Squall instantly.
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YoboD | Posted 9/28/2006 9:47:59 PM | message detail
I'd take Bowser.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/28/2006 9:48:03 PM | message detail
I would never take a side character over the main one. Never.

You do that.
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Squall Leonhart vs. Tidus / Bracket: Squall / Vote: Tidus (16/17)
Tomorrow / Bracket: Yoshi / Vote: Yoshi
MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/28/2006 9:48:35 PM | message detail
I'm actually stuck on Squall/Bowser.. I might go with Bowser in the end.
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Squall Leonhart vs. Tidus / Bracket: Squall / Vote: Tidus (16/17)
Tomorrow / Bracket: Yoshi / Vote: Yoshi
transience | Posted 9/28/2006 9:49:05 PM | message detail
Bowser > Squall until Squall convinces me otherwise. a SFF match isn't going to change my mind on that.
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Shivan Reincarnated | Posted 9/28/2006 9:49:39 PM | message detail
I would never take a side character over the main one. Never.


Foolishness
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/28/2006 9:49:57 PM | message detail
After looking at this SFF match, though, does anyone think it's enough to say his 2k5 value is right where he should be?
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Squall Leonhart vs. Tidus / Bracket: Squall / Vote: Tidus (16/17)
Tomorrow / Bracket: Yoshi / Vote: Yoshi
therealmnm | Posted 9/28/2006 9:50:20 PM | message detail
Tidus just strikes me as the kind of guy who sucks when you put him up against a good opponent. Mega Man pretty much proved this in my mind. I wanted to go higher, but I just couldn't see him getting beat down like Geno did. guess I underestimated Squall yet again.

Meh, I think you're just underestimating SFF. Kirby beat Tidus 58-42. You'd expect Squall to at least get 60% on Tidus based on that. Then you throw in SFF between two FF leads, and add that Squall has all of the intangibles among the FF fanbase. I never would think that Tidus fans are that loyal to him. They have to spend enough time justifying why he's a good character in the first place!
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TheCruelAngel | Posted 9/28/2006 9:50:30 PM | message detail
Looks like it might be stabilizing.
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Squall: ...Flower.
transience | Posted 9/28/2006 9:51:04 PM | message detail
ahh, TG just brought me back to a year and a half ago.

"Lloyd > Kratos - he's the main character!"
"Zidane's got strength! look at Vivi!"
"Terra's gotta be stronger than Kefka!"
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YoboD | Posted 9/28/2006 9:51:48 PM | message detail
I would never take a side character over the main one. Never.

Sephiroth/Mario would want a word with you.
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/28/2006 9:53:29 PM | message detail
Hrm...Squall is doing almost as well on Tidus as he did on Geno...but, Sora did almost as well against Marle as he did Sora, and Sora's clearly out of Marle's league, and Riku almost beat Frog. I guess those two sets are sort of comparable.

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transience | Posted 9/28/2006 9:54:10 PM | message detail
Sora did almost as well against Marle as he did Sora, and Sora's clearly out of Marle's league, and Riku almost beat Frog.

I missed something here!
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YoAriel33 | Posted 9/28/2006 9:54:18 PM | message detail
I'm trying to think of some reasons why the SFF in this match seems to be so severe. At this point, either the SFF is more than anyone was anticipating, or Squall has taken an enormous boost. Even when considering the possibility of Tidus being overrated last year, it's still nowhere near enough for Squall to amass this type of percentage without significant SFF.

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