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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 370

therealmnm | Posted 9/27/2006 2:54:03 PM | message detail
I think Ness vs. Chun Li would be the better match.

I couldn't see Chun-Li only getting 55% against CJ and Jak... Ness would beat Lara Croft, but it wouldn't be by that much... (Still assuming Chun Li gets 58-62% on her).
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/27/2006 2:55:50 PM | message detail
Well, on my perspective, Ness got 35% on Auron, which isn't too far off from Chun Li's 34% on Bowser. Bowser'd probably beat Auron with, oh, 56%, so Chun Li would already have a 55/45 match with Ness right there. Next, add the Nintendo boost.

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/27/2006 2:59:09 PM | message detail
Vercetti fell between 2K3 and 2K5...what if Vercetti had his 2K5 strength in 2K4? The reason I'm questioning this is that Vercetti underperformed against Max Payne. Of course, that would also mean rSFF against Mega Man, and the right amount of it to make Zero's and Vercetti's x-stat about the same as the previous year, which seems like too much of a coincidence, so whatever.

Here's the thing: everyone expected Vercetti to stay pretty much the same between 2k3 and 2k4 (just look at VC, not to mention GTADP), and everyone expected him to drop after San Andreas.

Though, I do think Vincent will boost no matter how you look at it. I mean, Yuna boosted from FFX-2 pretty good and Dante boosted from DMC2 as well.

Both of those games sold far better and were far more well-liked than DoC. There's just no comparison.

The movie? Gimme a break. If anything, the cause of her being overrated would be Zelda because she faced Mega Man.

Tomb Raider the movie was actually a massive success at the box office. Far more so than any other VG movie.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/27/2006 3:10:33 PM | message detail
Bowser'd probably beat Auron with, oh, 56%, so Chun Li would already have a 55/45 match with Ness right there

Bowser gets 56% when Ganon only got 54%?

Well, whatever works! I'm all for Ganon not being as strong as people think!
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/27/2006 3:11:20 PM | message detail
Tomb Raider the movie was actually a massive success at the box office. Far more so than any other VG movie.

I don't particularly care how successful it was. It's just a movie.
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The Real Truth | Posted 9/27/2006 3:12:32 PM | message detail
Tomb Raider was a horrible movie.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/27/2006 3:33:04 PM | message detail
I maintain it's over-rated the chance that it's not looks better now that Aeris/Marle has occured.

Eh, can someone explain me why Aeris/Marle relate to the Devil Division?
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/27/2006 3:34:13 PM | message detail
Eh, can someone explain me why Aeris/Marle relate to the Devil Division?

Because Marle was able to resist SFF from Aeris, which debunks the theory of Vincent rSFFing Crono.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/27/2006 3:35:51 PM | message detail
Hmm.. I see. Good note.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/27/2006 3:37:12 PM | message detail
Bowser'd probably beat Auron with, oh, 56%,

I would sooner expect 54% or less from Bowser, not more than what Ganon got.

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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/27/2006 3:38:27 PM | message detail
it would explain the nonexistent boost for Zelda between 2k3 and 2k5

....What?

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Draco1214 | Posted 9/27/2006 3:40:39 PM | message detail
Zelda boosts a whopping 3% in 2 years, when it took the Mario character one year to increase 5%. Though I still stand by the point that Zelda characters did not benefit from the boost as much as Mario characters did.
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trannyscience | Posted 9/27/2006 3:40:41 PM | message detail
2k3: 19 Zelda 30.29%
2k5: 14 Zelda 30.89%

compare that to what's happened to every other Nintendo character and it's not much of a boost. if 2k3 is rSFF, then Zelda wasn't actually all that strong and her boost was bigger than expected.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/27/2006 3:43:41 PM | message detail
Wait, you have to use what Zelda would get on 2K3 Link instead of 2k5 Link. >_>
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trannyscience | Posted 9/27/2006 3:44:32 PM | message detail
hey, you're right. nevermind then!
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/27/2006 3:46:45 PM | message detail
Though, it is assuming Crono is constant.
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trannyscience | Posted 9/27/2006 3:48:06 PM | message detail
yeah, using Crono overrates everyone by a percent or two. I still like Snake as the base.
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/27/2006 3:48:39 PM | message detail
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/27/2006 3:48:59 PM | message detail
Which Snake as a base? 2003?
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trannyscience | Posted 9/27/2006 3:49:36 PM | message detail
yeah. that's what we originally used until cn put his own stats up.
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trannyscience | Posted 9/27/2006 3:51:18 PM | message detail
and if memory serves, the Snake 2k3 = 2k5 bandwagon started when Snake/Zelda played out to 2k3 expectations.
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/27/2006 3:52:48 PM | message detail
Kefka, Crono, and Mega Man all fit well with the current model, though I'm open to the 2K3 Snake constant, as well.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/27/2006 3:55:43 PM | message detail
I'd like to see a Kefka list.
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Kid Radd | Posted 9/27/2006 4:17:10 PM | message detail
Zelda boosts a whopping 3% in 2 years, when it took the Mario character one year to increase 5%. Though I still stand by the point that Zelda characters did not benefit from the boost as much as Mario characters did.

Considering that the Nintendo Boost of 2K5 is one of the most overhyped things ever (Hey there KHF!), 3% is a nice solid boost. Every other extreme boost can be explained for and reasoned that they aren't quite as deserving of the magnitude of the boost we've given them. I've gone over it many times before, and don't feel like it doing it again right now, but will if I need to.

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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/27/2006 4:34:46 PM | message detail
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KOOLOO LIMPAH!

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trannyscience | Posted 9/27/2006 4:35:53 PM | message detail
the entire first round's pictures are up.

comments coming!
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/27/2006 4:36:02 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/cb5/cb526.jpg

That is made of badass and win.

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therealmnm | Posted 9/27/2006 4:37:16 PM | message detail
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Oh god YES! Not saying it will do anything, but a nice pic if I do say so myself. Plus it's so refreshing to be on the male side of the bracket.

*goes to play NG and buy DMC3 as well*
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/27/2006 4:38:53 PM | message detail
Ganondorf/Vincent is standard...just their basic character art.

The Prince looks badass, but that's not the picture that he needed there to win his fans over -- though I had a feeling Ceej would use it, it's the most common character art he's got. Oh, well, not like he was going to win. =/
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YoAriel33 | Posted 9/27/2006 4:39:12 PM | message detail
Vincent and Ganondorf both have their standard pics. That's about as fair as you can get.
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Master Moltar | Posted 9/27/2006 4:39:39 PM | message detail
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Poor, poor Snake

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lol meg ryan. Squall wins the pic advantage there easy.

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Riku looks pretty bad and KH1'd. I'm sick of that Yoshi pic though...

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Holy freakin' badass pic!

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rolf @ Tingle...that should get him a good amount of joke votes.

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Pheonix is so screwed. Even Freeman is disappointed for no Objection pose!

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/cb5/cb523.jpg

Ew...could have been much better.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/cb5/cb524.jpg

Decent, I guess.
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wavedash101 | Posted 9/27/2006 4:39:50 PM | message detail
How do you get to the pictures?
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/27/2006 4:39:56 PM | message detail
Dante vs. Hayabusa is the best match pic I have ever seen.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/27/2006 4:40:09 PM | message detail
Zelda boosts a whopping 3% in 2 years, when it took the Mario character one year to increase 5%. Though I still stand by the point that Zelda characters did not benefit from the boost as much as Mario characters did.

There are some things that need to be taken into consideration with this boost. While it is true that it a widescale Nintendo Boost, Mario characters had more of a reason to benefit from this boost than any others -- they had an actual game release. Super Mario 64 DS, combined with the DS itself, likely propelled Mario characters to be the bigger gains from that boost than other characters. It makes some sense to me, at least, because SM64DS was the first million seller on the DS, the biggest DS game at the time, and featured nearly all of those who got a boost -- including a playable Luigi and Yoshi in Super Mario 64.

Zelda likely benefited more from the showing of Twilight Princess at E3 2004. That was one of the biggest moments in gaming with one of the most surprising and awesome trailers ever. Link, Ganon, and Zelda all probably boosted more from that than in 2005, though they certainly got something of a boost then, no doubt. 3% over the course of two years seems appropriate for Zelda. The whole idea of her rSFFing Mega Man is just silly to me. If one believes that, they should easily buy into Vincent rSFFing Crono...and maybe even Squall.

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trannyscience | Posted 9/27/2006 4:40:11 PM | message detail
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both characters seem to be represented decently. even.

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I don't like either picture here. Tidus stands out more, I guess.

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uhh Yoshi wins

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edge: Dante.

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oh man Tingle's gonna get destroyed

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Phoenix isn't pointing! Gordon's got his half-life symbol. good picture.

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Ryu looks badass.

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never played KH2, but Mega Man looks fine to me.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/cb5/cb525.jpg

now that's a CATS. Sonic looks good too.

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exactly what you'd expect.

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looks good. Kirby always wins a picture battle but the Prince looks pretty badass too.

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even, I'd say.

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advantage: Crono. Falcon is not bad though.

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Bowser looks good.. Leon too I guess. edge Bowser for how colourful he is.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/cb5/cb531.jpg

bigtime edge to Auron in my opinion.

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SUB-ZERO WINS
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Kid Radd | Posted 9/27/2006 4:40:29 PM | message detail
Ceej had to give PoP a WW pic didn't he? DIDN'T HE?!!?!?

I laughed when I saw PW/GF just because it's exactly what everyone though, and Vincent/Ganon is one of my favorite pics EVER. That's my first impressions.

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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/27/2006 4:43:06 PM | message detail
oh man Tingle's gonna get destroyed

Just you wait! When Tingle is breaking 25% with ease, you're all going to be "OMG! WHOA!" Oh yeah.

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Master Moltar | Posted 9/27/2006 4:43:28 PM | message detail
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CATS with another recognizable pic!

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As fair as it was going to get.

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This was so done on purpose. Cute Kirby against badass, ugly Prince

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Oh Luigi...looking so...you know. Go Zero!

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Show me ya moves? Standard Crono pic.

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**** SMRPG Bowser, k?

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Standard art, nice pic.

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Subbie FTW! Awesome pose.
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trannyscience | Posted 9/27/2006 4:45:21 PM | message detail
heh, 16 pictures and pretty much nothing to complain about. good job, Ceej.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/27/2006 4:46:02 PM | message detail
Chief is ready to kick some Sub-Zero ass is that picture is telling me. I'm getting the Master Chief domination vibes that thing.

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Kid Radd | Posted 9/27/2006 4:48:12 PM | message detail
Upon further inspection, Ganon/Vincent isn't that great, it's just that, that Ganon is so perfect and amazing looking it's not even funny. Probably my favorite character design ever, and I'm not a fan of Ganon. He usually gets that pic with a close-up, but it's nice to see it with a full body shot. <3 <3 <3 that artwork. Also, Alucard's pic is kickass too.

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Haste_2 | Posted 9/27/2006 4:48:18 PM | message detail
After seeing this new CATS pic, the Eggplant CATS pic finally makes sense! CATS might lose a little recognition, though.

Great pictures for...The Prince and Hayabusa, especially. Bad picture for Riku. Soma has the inferior of his 2 pieces of common art, unfortunately.

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therealmnm | Posted 9/27/2006 4:48:40 PM | message detail
Snake/Soma: Nice to see the male side of the bracket! Good Snake pic too. Nice way to start off this side of the bracket.

Squall/Tidus: Bland. He could have at least picked a better picture than Standard Squall. Some KH/KH2 would have been nice.

Riku/Yoshi: KH1 Riku, although since KH2 Riku has such little screentime, the KH1 picture might actually be the better pic for him as far as maxing out his strength. People not TOTALLY familiar with KH2 might not recognized Riku with a KH2 pic.

Dante/Ryu: Ownage. Any pic with Ninja Ryu owns though.

Sora/Tingle: ...

Phoenix Wright/Gordon Freeman: Why does Gordon Freeman always look like he wants to lose. All this pic needs is a pointing Phoenix Wright mocking him. Petition!

Kratos/Ryu: Ryu looks like he is about to own Kratos in the back with a SHIN-SHORYUKEN, or something of the sort. Good pic though.

Mega Man/Axel: Standard fare. What I expected. Plus Mega Man isn't pointing his blaster, so Axel might stand up to him! <_<;

Sonic/CATS: ??????? Royal CATS? Where the hell did that picture come from? It looks awesome! And I care nothing for CATS. It's his best picture yet though.

Ganon/Vincent: Standard. Bleh.

Kirby/PoP: Talk about totally opposites. Probably one of the most contrasting pictures we've seen!

Zero/Luigi: Meh, a good pic but I don't like that particular Zero pic personally. I want some Z-saber action. Luigi gets his nose picker. No advantage for either side.

Crono/Falcon: Good pic for Falcon. Crono is Crono.

Bowser/Leon: Meh, I don't like SMRPG Bowser. Not that it matters against Leon, who is standard RE4. Hopefully Bowser gets an awesome pic against Crono.

Auron/Alucard: Standard fare, but good pic.

MC/Sub-Zero: Subby's pic looks stretched. Could have used a better pic, but it's adequate.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/27/2006 4:49:02 PM | message detail
it's just that, that Ganon is so perfect and amazing looking it's not even funny.

Good man, EC, good man!

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longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/27/2006 4:49:10 PM | message detail
SMRPG Bowser? Now thats what I'm talkin bout!
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Kid Radd | Posted 9/27/2006 4:50:45 PM | message detail
Great pictures for...The Prince and Hayabusa, especially.

Eh, it was the one pic I was hoping The Prince wouldn't get. It's not bad though, it's not like there are any bad pics of him out there to find, so I knew it would be decent at worst.

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longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/27/2006 4:51:54 PM | message detail
Hey, just because Warrior Within was the least good PoP game doesn't mean the pics for it sucked EC :P
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LusterSoldier | Posted 9/27/2006 4:52:30 PM | message detail
As for the highly debated matches, this is what I got in my bracket:

Yoshi > Riku
Ganondorf > Vincent
Phoenix > Gordon
Luigi > Zero
Alucard > Auron
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Kid Radd | Posted 9/27/2006 4:54:25 PM | message detail
Hey, just because Warrior Within was the least good PoP game doesn't mean the pics for it sucked EC :P

Pretty boy Prince >>>> gruff and brooding prince.

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YoAriel33 | Posted 9/27/2006 4:54:53 PM | message detail
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I like Snake's pic here. I was hoping for the now famous SSBB shot, but this will do.

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Squall looks very pale, but at least you can see his sword. Tidus is going for the Meg Ryan, as always.

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Heh, there goes any chance this Squall>Luigi upset had of taking place. While Yoshi looks cool and vibrant, Riku looks like a little brat. Slap the **** out ya, punk.

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Bad. Ass. Overload. Best of the round so far, by far.

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398 RUPEES?! GET THE HELL OUT OF HERE.

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The biggest match in Board 8 history has a surprisingly average picture. **** him up, Gordy.

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Challenges Dante/Ryu on the badass meter, but doesn't quite match it.

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Does Mega Man ever look cool? I'm voting for Axel.

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LMFAO. Hey CATS, Marge Simpson called. Guess why, FORLMAO.

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Both heavy hitters have their standard pictures. This is the best route CJayC could have gone to eliminate whining.

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Whoa, Prince looks badass. Prince/Hayabusa would have made one of the best pictures ever.

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What the hell is up with the ass shot? If anything, it should be Luigi with his bum for all to see. Ah well, he looks fruity enough as it is.

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SHOW ME YO MOVES, CRONO. EEEEEYAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!!

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I have a feeling Bowser will mess Leon up almost as badly (or hell, even worse) than Mega Man did last year. My god, imagine the chaos that would bring.

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Another pretty sweet pic. I'd give the slight advantage to Alucard, but it doesn't really matter.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/cb5/cb532.jpg

Like hell I'm voting for you, Master Chief. Get the **** off my monitor. OLD SCHOOL FOR LIFE.

Overall, I'd say CJayC did a very good job with these first round pics.
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