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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 368

Yesmar | Posted 9/22/2006 10:50:45 PM | message detail
And also, I refuse to say that the biggest flop in contest history is a lock to beat anything.

Gordon Freeman is not a flop.

He flopped in one match (Tina), MASSIVELY overperformed in two others (Leon and Max) and performed up to par in one. (Sam)
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/22/2006 10:51:07 PM | message detail
The fad exists for a reason. The fact of the matter is Gordon has lost to opponents he has no business losing to. Every year he gets put up against generic nobodies and every year he always loses. Why would this year be any different?
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/22/2006 10:52:33 PM | message detail
Does your opinion on this match really change that much if, say, Gordon Freeman beat Tina in 2002 and lost every other match up to this point?

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Janus5000 | Posted 9/22/2006 10:53:01 PM | message detail
I didn't know Leon Kennedy was a generic nobody...
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/22/2006 10:53:35 PM | message detail
Leon is really the only exception. He's pretty much the only one I can't explain.
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/22/2006 10:54:52 PM | message detail
Does your opinion on this match really change that much if, say, Gordon Freeman beat Tina in 2002 and lost every other match up to this point?

Even if he had beaten Tina, almost of all of his contest performances have him well below the fodder line. Hell, even if you take his performance with Leon at face value, he's still at the fodder line.
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greatone10 | Posted 9/22/2006 10:56:44 PM | message detail
If this was pre HL2, you might have a point, but Leon Kennedy is not a generic nobody, and yet he still performed decently on him.

Whereas the only thing that's going to keep Phoenix from ranking above the likes of Manny Calavera and Guybrush is that Objection fad, and the fact that a small percentage of DS owners may have heard of him.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/22/2006 10:58:30 PM | message detail
Leon is really the only exception. He's pretty much the only one I can't explain.

Half-Life 2.

Even if he had beaten Tina, almost of all of his contest performances have him well below the fodder line. Hell, even if you take his performance with Leon at face value, he's still at the fodder line.

And that's well above what Phoenix Wright has the potential to be at. Phoenix is absolute fodder.

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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/22/2006 11:02:18 PM | message detail
Upon further investigation of just how often he is called out by name in Half-Life 2, I came up with this...


He is called "Gordon Freeman" 16 times.
He is called "Dr. Freeman" 25 times.
He is called "Mr. Freeman" 2 times.

In comparison to Half-Life...

He is called "Gordon Freeman" 2 times.
He is called "Mr. Freeman" 10 times.


I have not actually played much of Half-Life 2, but given how much more he is referred to by name, along with the fact that he has gotten in the spotlight yet again thanks to the critics loving HL2, should explain his boost just fine.

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Draco1214 | Posted 9/22/2006 11:02:29 PM | message detail
I don't think Phoenix is going to be Manny-level fodder. But we'll just have to see what happens. I still say Phoenix is being underestimated in here.
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ps2rulezzz | Posted 9/22/2006 11:05:52 PM | message detail
This match is the VJ-Tails of last year. Just like back then everyone rooted for the new guy, who was supposed to be strong. Then Tails won and this time GF will win. How many people do you really think have played the phoenix game.
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/22/2006 11:07:21 PM | message detail
Eh, I guess one point off won't really kill my bracket, I suppose...
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transience | Posted 9/22/2006 11:07:37 PM | message detail
I love Phoenix Wright. really, I do. it just... for Phoenix to win, he'd have to show me he's got some strength and it's tough to believe. you have to believe GF will completely flop - something that doesn't make a lot of sense unless you listen to GFNW GFNW every day for months and months and months.

I found this whilst browsing wikifaqs yesterday, an interview with Darth Maul the moderator:


53. Will Phoenix Wright defeat Gordon Freeman in the Character Battle or will the Internet itself implode?

1. I don't know who Phoenix Wright is.
2. Gordon Freeman is the main character in the Half-Life series, right?
3. I don't care.


doesn't mean a thing, I just found it interesting how he knew who Freeman was and hadn't even heard of Phoenix Wright. a guy who spends a lot of his time on GameFAQs.
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Janus5000 | Posted 9/22/2006 11:07:55 PM | message detail
Who thinks Phoenix will be strong? Gordon's the decisive favorite, even here, where his losses are a fad.
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transience | Posted 9/22/2006 11:10:11 PM | message detail
and I will agree that some of the GF supporters have been arrogant and flaunting their pick, and I've got no problem with anyone who picks Wright. he's got a chance, I believe. it's just that statistically, it's tough to ignore how far Gordon is ahead of even the best PW estimation.

real quick: would you expect Phoenix Wright to get 40% on Leon Kennedy?

...30%?
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/22/2006 11:12:48 PM | message detail
From Redtooth Posted 9/22/2006 6:23:18 PM #009
DotA> the character contest

Ulti, name and server? =D


FUNNY WE SHOULD MEET TODAY.

God that game was a blast. We went from me feeding them to us almost losing to us winning even with them at higher levels.

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Janus5000 | Posted 9/22/2006 11:13:55 PM | message detail
I'm not even sure Phoenix could get 20%.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 9/22/2006 11:14:26 PM | message detail
Upon further investigation of just how often he is called out by name in Half-Life 2, I came up with this...


He is called "Gordon Freeman" 16 times.
He is called "Dr. Freeman" 25 times.
He is called "Mr. Freeman" 2 times.

In comparison to Half-Life...

He is called "Gordon Freeman" 2 times.
He is called "Mr. Freeman" 10 times.


This might be the best set of figures ever posted in a Stats Topic.
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/22/2006 11:28:39 PM | message detail
Meh, I've pretty much just thrown away a point on this. I know it won't finish my bracket off at least, so whatever, it's all good. <_<
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Character Battle V Score - 11/11 points
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frisqo | Posted 9/22/2006 11:29:10 PM | message detail
Who's Pheonix Wright and what does Objection mean?
Team Rocket Elite | Posted 9/22/2006 11:33:46 PM | message detail
Score-Brackets-% Right
10-----5069-----83.9218781
9------11982----77.4912369
8------12870----70.5594406
7------7661-----64.7435061
6------3349-----59.7491789
5------1064-----54.5112782
4------283------49.8233216
3------86-------40.6976744
2------77-------27.2727273
1------103------10.6796117
0------102------6.8627451

Overall prediction percentage: 71.23%

The top tiers are really starting to differentiate themselves from the lower tiers. The perfects do more than 6 percentage points better than the -1s and manage to break 80.

9 people fell off the Top 50. fallenroseangel, gonfre, Mr_Jin, PaGz_GF, day25366, Seihyouken, TheStrongSide, indoprince1800, capnobvious all had Amy over KOS-MOS.
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voltch | Posted 9/22/2006 11:38:32 PM | message detail
if phoenix is stronger than sam fischer then freeman will find it tough to implode the universe.
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Janus5000 | Posted 9/22/2006 11:39:14 PM | message detail
If.

And I'd take Freeman in a rematch with any of his first three opponents.
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Redtooth | Posted 9/22/2006 11:51:37 PM | message detail
FUNNY WE SHOULD MEET TODAY.

God that game was a blast. We went from me feeding them to us almost losing to us winning even with them at higher levels.


Yea, I really wasn't expecting to find you so quickly...

and the game was actually balanced, which rocked. That kind of game is like 1 in 10 nowadays. That, and you rarely find people who aren't total jerks, which was a huge bonus.

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HaRRicH | Posted 9/23/2006 12:57:49 AM | message detail
This ain't just FF7/CT though -- I would think more FF7 fans care about Aeris than CT fans care about Marle as well, and then factor in that Aeris has also been seen with small roles in both console-KH's (and maybe KH:CoM?) and FF:AC. With all that in mind, one would think Aeris could do a bit more than this. There's no doubt in my mind Aeris will finish higher than what she's got right now though, so I'll reserve final judgment for now...

...for what it's worth though, assuming the match stays contstant (30.7% for Marle), Aeris 2k3 = 2k5, and Liquid didn't get SFF'd by Sephiroth -- all that says that Lavos would get 45.61% on Marle. Aeris will probably be stronger now than 2k3 (and certainly has better seeding than ever before, heh), but Liquid likely was SFF'd by Sephiroth some...so maybe it won't be too bad of a comparison. As long as Marle remains above Lavos, I feel fairly content with not calling for much/any SFF...but let's see what the rest of the match does -- many of us remember CT/FF7's early hours.....
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 9/23/2006 2:16:30 AM | message detail
I think Aeris might end up with 71% here.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2100

Marle > Frog, Aeris > Samus. Oh yeah!


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transience | Posted 9/23/2006 2:25:28 AM | message detail
those early hours are happening and happening fast. Aeris is looking to rip through 70% before the sun comes up.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/23/2006 3:42:57 AM | message detail
when she destroys her.

No.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/23/2006 6:47:48 AM | message detail
Why must Marle be jobbin so hard? Come on girl, represent the best game ever ho!
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 9/23/2006 7:08:28 AM | message detail
Just for fun, how high in the x-stats is Aeris if Marle is as strong as Lavos?
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/23/2006 7:56:06 AM | message detail
Samus would be expected to win 62/38 (assuming the match ends with 71/29)

Samus (2005c) VS Zelda (2005c)

Samus has a strength of 41.69.
Zelda has a strength of 33.71.

Samus wins with 59.57% of the vote!
A win of 18,870 with 98,582 total votes cast.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/23/2006 7:57:36 AM | message detail
The more I think about it, the more unlikely it seems Phoenix will win his match.

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Tediz247 | Posted 9/23/2006 8:22:57 AM | message detail
Wow, Aeris is doing a lot worse than I expected. If there is any SFF involved, she stands no chance against Zelda.
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/23/2006 8:30:20 AM | message detail
At least we are on pace for 116k, better than the last two days.
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Kratos_42 | Posted 9/23/2006 8:31:52 AM | message detail
Hell, look at this match. Feelin' better about picking Kosy over her every day. Aeris is so screwed.
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/23/2006 8:35:54 AM | message detail
...how high in the x-stats is Aeris if Marle is as strong as Lavos?

Assuming Aeris ends at 71% and Lavos' x-stat is accurate, Aeris is at 31.69% on BL. However, I think Lavos there is underrated, since Lavos did only 5.5% worse against Liquid Snake than Frog, which would bring Aeris up to more like 37% on BL after making the adjustments. I think Marle is a bit weaker than Lavos, though.

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AmazingKirby | Posted 9/23/2006 8:37:02 AM | message detail
Marle is not weaker than Lavos!!

I played Chrono Trigger for 40 hours, and I still didn't know Lavos until the board told me where he was from.
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/23/2006 8:37:12 AM | message detail
Today's match is comparable to....Sephiroth vs. Vivi.

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Jen141 | Posted 9/23/2006 8:37:39 AM | message detail
i thought sephiroth won that one
Zylo the wolf | Posted 9/23/2006 8:38:36 AM | message detail
Samus would be expected to win 62/38 (assuming the match ends with 71/29)

And Marle has to be stronger than Lavos. Personaly I think Marle is closer to Frog's strenght than Lavos. Zelda is so screwed

Unless Vincent totally bombs against Ganon and shows that FFVII actually CAN SFF Chrono Trigger.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/23/2006 8:39:29 AM | message detail
Yeah, I'd presume Marle to be stronger than Lavos. Not by a huge amount, but I'd wager she puts 55+% on him without SFF.
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Who Cares? | Posted 9/23/2006 8:39:36 AM | message detail
...wait, wait, people were expecting Aeris to come close to 80% o_0
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/23/2006 8:41:40 AM | message detail
If Marle is closer to Frog than to Lavos and there's no SFF today (bar an LSnake drop between SC2K4 and Sp2K5), Zelda -is- screwed...=p

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/23/2006 8:41:44 AM | message detail
My oracle was 72%

The basis for that was Aeris scoring 66% on Sora. Although I thought I undershot by alot.

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Zylo the wolf | Posted 9/23/2006 8:42:06 AM | message detail
^Yup.

People seems to forget that Marle is from a game that defeat 3 Mario games and only the BIG Final Fantasy and Zelda title could get a higher place than it in the top 10 contest.
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Who Cares? | Posted 9/23/2006 8:45:36 AM | message detail
I personally though Marle could grab 30% for that very reason! CT/FF7 & Crono/Vincent pretty much told me the SFF wouldn't be that bad!
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therealmnm | Posted 9/23/2006 8:46:14 AM | message detail
And again, we're assuming that Chrono Trigger/FFVII SFF is minimal, even though we know that there are TONS of people who like both. I think it's kinda absurd to think that the two biggest RPGs on this site don't share a fanbase. Of course, some Chrono Trigger entities have shown that FFVII stuff isn't unproportionally preferred, but that doesn't mean that it holds true for EVERY match involving FFVII/CT. I'm not saying that Marle is necessarily getting SFF'd here, but I'm not automatically ruling it out because she got 30% on Aeris.
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/23/2006 8:46:55 AM | message detail
I had Aeris breaking 70% and I have Aeris > Zelda.
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lettuce Kefka | Posted 9/23/2006 8:50:13 AM | message detail
It'd be awesome if Marle was rSFFing Aeris. ¬_¬

Then Aeris could totally beat Zelda. ¬_¬
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Who Cares? | Posted 9/23/2006 9:00:52 AM | message detail
Votals at the halfway mark:

Tifa/Ivy -- 64797 [1st]
Aeris/Marle -- 59514
The Boss/Celes -- 56916 [6th]
Zelda/Carmen -- 54184 [2nd]
Samus/Nidoran F -- 52372 [3rd]

Hmm, was expecting this one to be the new top vote getter, but I guess we'll have to wait til we get to the male side for that!

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