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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 367
| Master Moltar | Posted 9/21/2006 4:30:47 PM | message detail |
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Hey, KH2 made an Auron fan out of me. I'd consider him to have the 2nd
biggest FF cameo role in there behind Leon (who I also became a fan of
thanks to the game). --- Moltar Status: Feeling good and hot-blooded. Terra vs. Kerrigan - Bracket: Terra - Vote: Terra (8/9) |
| Haste_2 | Posted 9/21/2006 4:31:23 PM | message detail |
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Interesting stuff, Draco. I don't know how to do the calculations, but I'm pretty sure that through Alucard 2003, he's at about 30% on BL before the Nintendo boost. If he gained 3% like Zelda did, he's at 33%, which is pretty much exactly where 2005 stats have him without taking into account Samus/Ganondorf SFF. Ganondorf's at 32% on BL through Alucard. On the other hand, Alucard 2005 is possibly weaker than in 2K4, so I wouldn't put it past me to say that Ganondorf through 2K4 Alucard is actually less than 32%. (on the other hand, Sora could've gained a bit in 2K5 due to Chain of Memories and Alucard had a terrible picture) But, let's say Ganondorf grew that 3%, and it was between 2K3 and 2K4 Link's primary gain was in that time frame, so maybe Ganondorf never got stronger since 2K4? (again, just pretending here) Heh... But, anyway, I think Ganondorf did actually get stronger since then, though. He got 65% against Diablo, which suggests 35% on BL. Then, he got 54% on Auron, which just seems much better than 57% on Alucard, considering Auron's 64/65% on Tails and Scorpion, and Auron at 32% just plain makes sense. I'm not sure exactly what people mean by "Ganondorf is overrated" unless they mean that they simply they're Ganondorf isn't stronger than Bowser. One interesting thing between Ganondorf and Bowser is that Ganondorf actually outperformed Bowser in two matches in Sp2K5...Along with their Sephiroth opponent, Ganondorf did almost as well against Diablo in 2K5 as Bowser against Ocelot, and the same Ocelot pic lost to Pac-Man. On the other hand, I can't see Chun-Li losing to Ocelot or being equal to M. Bison, making me believe Ocelot overperformed against Bowser. I can't get myself to believe Ganondorf is stronger than Bowser, but considering Auron has still been pretty unclear along with what I said earlier... I'm not going to deny the possibility of Ganondorf being stronger than Bowser, especially since Bowser may have overperformed against Snake. If Ganondorf is stronger than Bowser, Vincent won't have much chance of winning, unless Bowser has proven himself overrated, as well. Now, speaking of Zelda characters not gaining as much as Mario characters...it could be right, but Kirby seemed to gain a lot, too, and nobody's certain as to where Ganondorf actually stands. Now, anyway, what if Zelda somehow underperformed against Snake? Maybe Zelda actually grew more than 3%. I could see Zelda voters somewhat fickle depending on the how old Zelda is in her pic (moreso than Snake), and she looked young when facing Snake. The reason I'm saying that is because Vivi seemed to drop from 2K4. Vivi is at about the same value as in 2K4, but Sephiroth and DK happened to be proportionally lower in 2K4 than in 2K3, making it likely Vivi was at 29% on BL rather than 27%. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| Kaxon | Posted 9/21/2006 4:32:20 PM | message detail |
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..gah, this makes me wonder how the hell Crono is so strong. IT MAKES NO SENSE Being the clear main character, coming from a game that's more popular than FF VI (and WAY more popular than FF IV), and the Toriyama character design all help him. Plus he's just got more of a heroic personality than someone like Terra. --- CATS's Road to the Character Battle V Championship Round 1: Sonic |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/21/2006 4:32:21 PM | message detail |
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the thing with Auron is that he wasn't in KH1 (..right?), so he should
potentially have a bigger boost than the rest of those guys. yeah he
was on the PS2 instead of the PS1, but it's not like the PS2 can't play
PS1 games and it's not like FF7 is unknown. I think it has like 75%
playership according to the most recent one of those polls. I don't
think FF10 has close to that, so it helps him just as much. --- xyzzy |
| Draco1214 | Posted 9/21/2006 4:32:41 PM | message detail |
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Honestly I don't wanna argue this without risking venturing into
spoiler territory, but seriously? Auron's role in KH2 was a hell of a
lot more significant than any of the other FF cameos because of one
huge detail. --- Character Battle V Score - 9/9 points Current Prediction - Terra Branford vs. Sarah Kerrigan |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/21/2006 4:33:58 PM | message detail |
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Being the clear main character, coming from a game that's more
popular than FF VI (and WAY more popular than FF IV), and the Toriyama
character design all help him. Plus he's just got more of a heroic
personality than someone like Terra. that's the thing though - even side characters like Frog would crush Terra. CT's more popular than FF6, but not that much more popular. *goes off to read Haste's wall* --- xyzzy |
| Osfan | Posted 9/21/2006 4:35:45 PM | message detail |
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a KH appearance by Rydia = her making the contest book it! I mean if
the 3 X-2 girls could make it why not Rydia? Plus shes a summoner and
summons are in the game the idea is gold ;-) --- "I'll do it with my magic!" Tellah-Final Fantasy 4 |
| Haste_2 | Posted 9/21/2006 4:36:28 PM | message detail |
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Auron doesn't do much. He might have the most limited role out of
any of the world characters. You can't even use him in the Colosseum,
for crissakes! *slight KH2 spoilers* It doesn't matter that you can't use him in the Colosseum...you fight him there (IIRC)! Auron has a bigger role than Squall, I say, since, even though you can fight Squall, his battle isn't required. Squall has a bigger role in the overall story, yes, but he still doesn't do anything exciting. Auron is the only FF character to ever fight alongside you in a world...that really says a lot. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| Draco1214 | Posted 9/21/2006 4:37:04 PM | message detail |
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but Kirby seemed to gain a lot, too I responded to this earlier: "Also, on the subject of Kirby, I think he's overrated and he'll be exposed by Zero. Look at the vote totals for Kirby/Bowser. 83k -- the lowest of the entire contest, behind even Lloyd/Wesker. And he was behind Solid ****." But everything you said is definitely possible, Haste. We'll have to see what happens with Ganon/Vincent. --- Character Battle V Score - 9/9 points Current Prediction - Terra Branford vs. Sarah Kerrigan |
| Haste_2 | Posted 9/21/2006 4:38:03 PM | message detail |
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The vote-total of Kirby/Bowser definitely seems fishy. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/21/2006 4:38:48 PM | message detail |
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The extremity of Kirby's boost (and Luigi's, while we're at it) can be lessened by assuming Squall 2003 = Squall 2005! --- "...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow |
| Osfan | Posted 9/21/2006 4:40:15 PM | message detail |
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Canvas Curse and NintendoFAQS probably had alot to do with the Kirby boost too ;-) --- "I'll do it with my magic!" Tellah-Final Fantasy 4 |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/21/2006 4:40:57 PM | message detail |
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Of course, but adjusting Squall 2003 up to Squall 2005's level still allows a noticeable boost for Kirby. --- "...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow |
| red sox 777 | Posted 9/21/2006 4:41:12 PM | message detail |
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Yes, Link SFF'd Samus. --- "........!" ~Magus |
| Lopen | Posted 9/21/2006 4:42:33 PM | message detail |
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*slight KH2 Spoilers* I don't believe you fought Auron in the Colosseum in a battle, but correct me if I'm wrong on that. And I'd say that Olympus might have the lowest combined play time of the worlds with extra characters. *end slight KH2 Spoilers* Well, it's pretty obvious I'm outnumbered on this situation. I just don't see a multi-% boost for a cameo character that already had fame from a very popular game on the very same system. I'll wait until Alucard/Auron to delve into this further. If Auron breaks 60%, I might just be shaking in my boots. Might. --- Squall: "Hi, like Cloud from the last game, I am full of angst and am named after weather." - Slow Beef |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/21/2006 4:42:51 PM | message detail |
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Squall 2003 = Squall 2005 just makes me then wonder...what the hell happened to Jill? No way does a character that can put up 40% on Squall 2k5 go from that to what Jill looked like in 2k4. --- Commit it to memory. |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/21/2006 4:43:39 PM | message detail |
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I'd take Dante > Auron post KH2, so all you can suck it! --- Explicit Content Philadelphia's Path to Cheer Up Emo Kids (1-1) - Next week @ SanFran 49ers. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/21/2006 4:44:05 PM | message detail |
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You do, Lopen. You do. Auron's role in KH2 is arguably the biggest one
of all thanks to that and the fact that he's the first one that fights
alongside you in your party. Amazingly, there was more to Olympus than the Coliseum! --- Commit it to memory. |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/21/2006 4:45:55 PM | message detail |
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Like Auron getting his ass handed to him by Dante. --- Explicit Content Philadelphia's Path to Cheer Up Emo Kids (1-1) - Next week @ SanFran 49ers. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/21/2006 4:48:12 PM | message detail |
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You're gonna be mighty sad about that tune when Yoshi beats Dante's ass come their match. As will I from a preference standpoint, but my bracket will be happy! --- Commit it to memory. |
| Haste_2 | Posted 9/21/2006 4:48:40 PM | message detail |
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Now, speaking of Zelda characters not gaining as much as Mario
characters...it could be right, but Kirby seemed to gain a lot, too,
and nobody's certain as to where Ganondorf actually stands. Now,
anyway, what if Zelda somehow underperformed against Snake? Maybe Zelda
actually grew more than 3%. I could see Zelda voters somewhat fickle
depending on the how old Zelda is in her pic (more-so than Snake), and
she looked young when facing Snake. The reason I'm saying that is
because Vivi seemed to drop from 2K4. Vivi is at about the same value
as in 2K4, but Sephiroth and DK happened to be proportionally lower in
2K4 than in 2K3, making it likely Vivi was at 29% on BL rather than
27%. Then, I see little reason to see Vivi drop in 2K5. Or maybe Snake
was somehow underrated...dunno. I doubt Zelda was underrated, but at
the very least you can make another case favoring Zelda over Aeris. It's too fun to note how well most everything fits if you say that Crono overperformed against Mario (Mario being stronger than we thought, not Crono being weaker): Let's assign Zero 2K5 = Zero 2K4 and see how it all unfolds: Mario - 45.71% Snake - 39.11% Bowser - 38.66% Zelda - 35.67% Zero - 33.96% Ryu - 31.72% Vivi - 28.85% Rikku - 28.09% Sora - 27.18% Chun Li - 26.37% Ryu H - 25.13% Alucard - 24.27% Kratos - 21.58% Lloyd - 18.17% Kirby - 37.01% Tidus - 31.35% Not that I'd consider such an adjustment up for Mario's half of the bracket, but, but...look at the upsides: 1)No need to adjust for Zero/Mario SFF! 2)Sora didn't underperform against Snake nearly as much as we thought! 3)Ryu and Vivi didn't lose ground! 4)We can still call Bowser and Kirby overperformances and almost everything else falls into place! 5)Suddenly Bowser's 40% against Sephiroth can make a lot more sense! Heh. Though obviously Mario should've done much better against Seph in such a case (but, WATE...Vincent's overrated against Crono, meaning maybe the AC leak did it and Sephiroth gained strength!) As for Link/Cloud, a combination of some AC leak help and Link was aided by the Nintendo Boost! But...how could Mario, Snake, and Bowser boost THAT much? Uh...I don't know! Mega Man, watch out for Snake this year! =p There's my non-sense post of the day...looks about as good as the theory someone else made that Sephiroth 2K3 was actually equal to Seph 2K4 and that Seph overdid it against Cloud in 2K3. :p --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/21/2006 4:50:00 PM | message detail |
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You're gonna be mighty sad about that tune when Yoshi beats Dante's ass come their match. As will I from a preference standpoint, but my bracket will be happy! Pfft... word on the street is Yoshi's out getting his Preparation H right now for when Dante gets through with him. --- Explicit Content Philadelphia's Path to Cheer Up Emo Kids (1-1) - Next week @ SanFran 49ers. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/21/2006 4:50:50 PM | message detail |
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There's no way in hell ANYONE is going to convince me that Zelda is
underrated in 2k5. I'm sorry, but she arguably had more of an advantage
in that picture than Bowser did against Snake. Young Zelda, Older
Zelda, I really don't give a damn -- she was facing a Snake with battery acid poured over his face. --- Commit it to memory. |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/21/2006 4:51:13 PM | message detail |
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Oh please KH, no one cares about OoT Zelda. --- Explicit Content Philadelphia's Path to Cheer Up Emo Kids (1-1) - Next week @ SanFran 49ers. |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/21/2006 4:52:01 PM | message detail |
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those are some big numbers there. I.. don't know what to make of that other than to just dismiss it... so I will! I see no reason for Zelda to underperform against Snake. that was the worst picture of the entire contest. --- xyzzy |
| Lopen | Posted 9/21/2006 4:52:46 PM | message detail |
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There really wasn't as much to Olympus compared to the other worlds,
though. You combine the length of the required parts of that world and
compare it to the others and I bet it loses out with ease. But,
whatever, I'm giving up until Alucard/Auron, because this argument is totally exhausted right now! And also, I don't why you kids are talking about matches that aren't even going to be happening! Dante/Yoshi? Please! --- Squall: "Hi, like Cloud from the last game, I am full of angst and am named after weather." - Slow Beef |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/21/2006 4:52:55 PM | message detail |
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not to mention that her god damn name is Zelda.
it's not like the name Zelda is unrecognizable. I point to today's
picture and x-stats as proof that it isn't a big deal, at all. --- xyzzy |
| Haste_2 | Posted 9/21/2006 4:53:02 PM | message detail |
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I sincerely hope you are right, since I've got Aeris beating Zelda! Ahhhhhhh! --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/21/2006 4:59:24 PM | message detail |
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Does anyone besides me find it weird that Snake's percentage against
Tidus in 2k5 is very similar to the one that he's projected to get in
2k4? I'm really starting to believe Mega Man was underrated in the 2k4 adjusted stats. --- Commit it to memory. |
| red sox 777 | Posted 9/21/2006 4:59:40 PM | message detail |
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No way does a character that can put up 40% on Squall 2k5 go from that to what Jill looked like in 2k4. My theory for that is that Sora simply underperforms against the elite. His 3 losses have all been in the 33-35% range. One of them was an obvious SFF match, while Snake and Samus received similar percentages in the others. Maybe both Snake and Samus overperformed on Sora, just to different degrees? That would help to explain Alucard's tanking in 2005, Jill's tanking in 2004, and Hayabusa's doing well against Zero in 2005. Also, if you assume Squall 2k3 = Squall 2k5, and Samus 2k3 = Samus 2k5, that predicts Samus to get 52.73% on Crono assuming Vincent received no help from AC against Crono. Probably too many constancy assumptions. --- "........!" ~Magus |
| AmazingKirby | Posted 9/21/2006 5:04:41 PM | message detail |
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No one cares about OoT! --- caps |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/21/2006 5:05:31 PM | message detail |
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I'm really starting to believe Mega Man was underrated in the 2k4 adjusted stats. Well duh. Link rSFFed him to pull of the win. --- Explicit Content Philadelphia's Path to Cheer Up Emo Kids (1-1) - Next week @ SanFran 49ers. |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/21/2006 5:13:49 PM | message detail |
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Kirby's boosts can be explained by one simple fact: four of Kirby's
five biggest games have come out since 2k2, including, IIRC, his top
two. Kirby 2k2 was likely supported more by SSB/M than his own games. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| trannyscience | Posted 9/21/2006 5:20:37 PM | message detail |
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yeah, that fact got him what, 30% against Metroid? --- xyzzy |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/21/2006 5:24:27 PM | message detail |
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yeah, that fact got him what, 30% against Metroid? Well, IMO, that match is evidence for a number of things: 1. Samus SFF'd Ganon. 2. Metroid is in the Noble Nine in the Series Contest. 3. Xenogears got SFF'd big time by FFVII. 4. Fox got SFF'd big time by Link (thus hurting Pikachu). 5. Mewtwo would kick ass in another character contest. 6. Isaac is as strong as Felix. 7. Bowser overperformed big time on Snake. 8. Kirby in a series contest before 2k2 would've had a tough match with Suikoden. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| charmander6000 | Posted 9/21/2006 5:30:50 PM | message detail |
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Match XI: (3) KOS-MOS vs. (6) Amy Rose Contest History KOS-MOS Summer 2003 Defeated Crash Bandicoot, 61.98% - 38.01% Lost to Samus Aran, 30.25% - 69.75% Ranked: 36th Summer 2004 Lost to Ryu, 37.87% - 62.13% Ranked: 21st Summer 2005 Lost to Luigi Mario, 34.00% - 64.00% Ranked: 41st Amy Rose No Previous Contest Matches Analysis: KOS-MOS is from Xenosaga. Even though she had a good couple of years her 2k5 year was really bad. Was is a one year thing or has KOS-MOS dropped like a rock. Amy Rose is from the Sonic series though she is probably one of the weakest that appeared in a contest. Another easy match, even if KOS-MOS was as weak as she was last year she should still have no problem beating Amy Rose. According to lol x-stats Tails is only expected to beat the weaken KOS-MOS with about 54%. Also Xenosaga 3 was just released one month ago so that couldn’t hurt (forget about Xenosaga 2 >_>). If KOS-MOS was at her pre-2k5 level I could see her pushing 70% or at least a doubling and if she isn’t I could see her failing to break 60%, but there is no way I could see KOS-MOS failing to win this match, unless she decides to take another drop because of Xenosaga 3. charmander6000’s Bracket: KOS-MOS over Amy Rose charmander6000’s Prediction: KOS-MOS wins, 62.38% - 37.62% --- "I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/21/2006 5:34:52 PM | message detail |
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2. Metroid is in the Noble Nine in the Series Contest. Forgive me if I think Resident Evil and Street Fighter are a little out of reach for Metroid. --- Commit it to memory. |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/21/2006 5:36:36 PM | message detail |
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Forgive me if I think Resident Evil and Street Fighter are a little out of reach for Metroid. Why on earth would Street Fighter be stronger than Metroid? I can see RE, post-RE4, but certainly not Street Fighter. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/21/2006 5:37:42 PM | message detail |
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Why on earth would Street Fighter be stronger than Metroid? I can see RE, post-RE4, but certainly not Street Fighter. Because I wouldn't take Pokemon to break 48% on them. --- Commit it to memory. |
| Haste_2 | Posted 9/21/2006 5:39:09 PM | message detail |
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Well, considering both Metroid and Pokemon are Nintendo I would take Metroid over RE. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/21/2006 5:40:45 PM | message detail |
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Why on earth would Street Fighter be stronger than Metroid? I can see RE, post-RE4, but certainly not Street Fighter. You do realize RE barely beat SF.. right? --- Explicit Content Philadelphia's Path to Cheer Up Emo Kids (1-1) - Next week @ SanFran 49ers. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/21/2006 5:41:00 PM | message detail |
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Well, considering both Metroid and Pokemon are Nintendo I would take Metroid over RE. ... Well, considering Resident Evil is stronger than Metroid, I'm going to go with a 'no' on that one. --- Commit it to memory. |
| wavedash101 | Posted 9/21/2006 5:41:15 PM | message detail |
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K-MOS should definitely not take a drop cause of XSIII. It considered
to be the best in the series by a large margin. Hell, if XSII had the
same combat system and art style as III we might have actually gotten
the six part saga we were promised. And K-MOS might actually have been
a real force in this contest. Not amazing but someone who would
actually have a shot at the Sweet 16 every year. --- Our shields cannot withstand wavedashing of this magnitude! Board 8's Unofficial Master of the Phoenix Down |
| Lopen | Posted 9/21/2006 5:41:34 PM | message detail |
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Why on earth would Street Fighter be stronger than Metroid? I can see RE, post-RE4, but certainly not Street Fighter. It's funny when people say stuff like this about two entries that went 50-50 with each other... lopsided picture or not. --- Squall: "Hi, like Cloud from the last game, I am full of angst and am named after weather." - Slow Beef |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/21/2006 5:42:34 PM | message detail |
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It's funny when people say stuff like this about two entries that went 50-50 with each other... lopsided picture or not. Hey Lopen, welcome to three posts ago! --- Explicit Content Philadelphia's Path to Cheer Up Emo Kids (1-1) - Next week @ SanFran 49ers. |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/21/2006 5:45:57 PM | message detail |
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Because I wouldn't take Pokemon to break 48% on them. lol you made the same point about Pokemon that I made about SF. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/21/2006 5:48:13 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, Xenosaga II was a major disappointment. But I hear Xenosaga III makes up for it and thensome. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/21/2006 5:48:37 PM | message detail |
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lol you made the same point about Pokemon that I made about SF. The difference is that I'm right. Or, if you want something a little more concrete... The Elder Scrolls (2006s) VS Street Fighter (2006s) Street Fighter wins with 64.76% of the vote! A win of 34,886 with 118,179 total votes cast. vs. Metroid (2006s) VS Star Ocean (2006s) Metroid wins with 67.49% of the vote! A win of 44,157 with 126,243 total votes cast. Which is more impressive, do you think? --- Commit it to memory. |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/21/2006 5:50:42 PM | message detail |
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The match that drew 8000 more votes despite being earlier in the contest, of course! --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| Draco1214 | Posted 9/21/2006 5:50:44 PM | message detail |
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I have to agree with KH here. I'd take The Elder Scrolls over Star Ocean with ease. --- Character Battle V Score - 9/9 points Current Prediction - Terra Branford vs. Sarah Kerrigan |