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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 366

FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/20/2006 11:41:29 PM | message detail
If anything, Rinoa winning a contest on Board 8 backs up my claim that noone likes her. I call it the "lol board 8" factor

Totally. Solid Snake? More like TOTAL FODDER M I RITE?!

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FastFalcon05 | Posted 9/20/2006 11:42:03 PM | message detail
So the common consensus on why we don't care for Terra/Kerrigan is because it's a wasted match?

I'm tired, cranky, and have to finish writing a paper, but sometimes I can't help but wonder if we don't appear more than just a tad insatiable to cjayc and any outsiders. So you get some bad matches; it happens every year! I feel like the complaining, and especially the complaining in the stats topic, has gone up since the series contest (because that was predictable, too, especially since Zelda won and all, and lol nintendofaqs(because we all predicted that)) and hasn't stopped. Yeah, there was a female bracket side, but it's just 1/2 the bracket! There's still a whole other half, which on paper at least allowed for a concentrated amount of good matches. Whether or not you think that happened/think it could happen still is up for debate, but geez, at least it's different. It wasn't as if Terra/Kerrigan wasn't debated; whose fault is it that it turned out to not be close? Who are we whining at?

And we already had a really close match in Kairi/Claire. I don't particularly care if it didn't end in a nailbiter; not every match can!

To summarize:

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/20/2006 11:42:44 PM | message detail
lol mario

Except Samus is the character who is stronger !! Did you really not see that coming tranman?

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/20/2006 11:43:07 PM | message detail
MGS/FF8?

I'd take MGS but not by a ton. Maybe 60-40.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/20/2006 11:44:45 PM | message detail
Yeah, there was a female bracket side, but it's just 1/2 the bracket!

This is where your argument falls apart.

It wasn't as if Terra/Kerrigan wasn't debated

The only reason it got as much debate as it did in the first place is because this half-bracket is so BAD. This was the expected result, the X-Stats are holding up so well that is considered the surprise.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2006 11:45:32 PM | message detail
Despite what several of the Squeenix message boards will tell you, FF8 was pretty well-liked. And everyone I've talked to that liked the game hated Rinoa. She was needy, clutchy and useless. Not to mention had no bewbs.


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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/20/2006 11:45:44 PM | message detail
No one should have ever been debating this match for a second. Looking back to one year ago, all sirens are screaming "LOL TERRA WITH 60%"

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/20/2006 11:45:52 PM | message detail
MGS/FF8?

I'd take MGS but not by a ton. Maybe 60-40.


MGS 60-40ing FF8 would make people go crazy. That's a slaughter considering that FF8 is generally considered the favorite against it.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/20/2006 11:46:32 PM | message detail
FF8 a favorite against MGS? Really?
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/20/2006 11:46:44 PM | message detail
Despite what several of the Squeenix message boards will tell you, FF8 was pretty well-liked. And everyone I've talked to that liked the game hated Rinoa. She was needy, clutchy and useless. Not to mention had no bewbs.

Once again ignoring any actual points people make against your argument, and continuing to repeat yourself over again? Classic BT debating style.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2006 11:47:01 PM | message detail
From FlamboyantSpy Posted 9/21/2006 2:45:44 AM
No one should have ever been debating this match for a second. Looking back to one year ago, all sirens are screaming "LOL TERRA WITH 60%"

Actually, a year ago I would've called this a 70-30 blowout by Terra. Celes taught me a hard lesson that needed to be learned.


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FFDragon | Posted 9/20/2006 11:47:40 PM | message detail
And everyone I've talked to that liked the game hated Rinoa.

See, more people I know liked Rinoa then the opposite. Hmmmm...
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2006 11:47:54 PM | message detail
Ignoring points?

I'll argue this tomorrow afternoon, when I'm full of pain-killers and shaking off anesthetics.

lol wisdom teeth


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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/20/2006 11:48:00 PM | message detail
Actually, a year ago I would've called this a 70-30 blowout by Terra. Celes taught me a hard lesson that needed to be learned.

Why the hell would you ever think Terra had strength looking at last year? I didn't need Celes getting rocked in the face to tell me Terra was weak crap.

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transience | Posted 9/20/2006 11:48:08 PM | message detail
that's a ton to me. hell, FFT lost to MGS by like 50 votes.

as for that little rant or whatever, I have no idea what you're talking about. you mean to tell me that Terra / Kerrigan's the kind of match you were waiting for? maybe next we'll get another Vyse / Laharl.

you're the one that asked us to be more excited. can't blame us for being realistic in that it was a matchup of two fodder characters. no one is really complaining here, at least not that I've seen.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/20/2006 11:48:35 PM | message detail
Despite what several of the Squeenix message boards will tell you, FF8 was pretty well-liked.

This is all Rinoa needs, really. She's the female lead in a popular FF, checkmate. Same as Ganondorf is the villain of the Zelda series.

It's the games that make the difference, not the characters. Only in extreme situations does that ever change.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2006 11:49:16 PM | message detail
I dunno, going by what I know about people that don't visit these message boards has helped me in the past. Then again it also hurts me because nobody I know plays Metal Gear.


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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/20/2006 11:49:29 PM | message detail
It's the games that make the difference, not the characters. Only in extreme situations does that ever change.

Please. Crono would still be just as strong if he was the lead in Elf Bowling 1 & 2.

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/20/2006 11:49:35 PM | message detail
Man, my arguments would hold so much more credibility if I knew what the hell I was talking.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2006 11:50:39 PM | message detail
Why the hell would you ever think Terra had strength looking at last year? I didn't need Celes getting rocked in the face to tell me Terra was weak crap.

I meant that if in the 2k5 bracket, Terra and Sarah were matched together, my oracle would've been 70% when we had no clue about either of them.


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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/20/2006 11:51:19 PM | message detail
...then why the hell would Celes teach you anything? Nevermind.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2006 11:52:10 PM | message detail
Because I had that last lingering hope that something from FF6 would match the game's popularity.


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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2006 11:52:47 PM | message detail
Also because I don't know who the hell The Boss is and didn't see her performing much differently than Big Boss.


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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/20/2006 11:52:48 PM | message detail
Even if Celes got 75% on The Boss, it wouldn't have made Terra any less pathetic, but okay.

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transience | Posted 9/20/2006 11:53:49 PM | message detail
well, games != characters, but consider:

Kirby 57.66% 57862
Ramza Beoulve 42.34% 42482
TOTAL VOTES 100344

Kirby 44.99% 42084
Squall Leonhart 55.01% 51462
TOTAL VOTES 93546


Final Fantasy Tactics 49.98% 40292
Metal Gear Solid 50.02% 40330
TOTAL VOTES 80622

FF8's a beast on this site, most likely the strongest game omitted from the Game Contest (and that was on purpose).
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/20/2006 11:54:15 PM | message detail
I won't deny, I am...dissatisfied with this match. But this just stems from having a female bracket. It's an okay twist in theory, but so was Ceej's idea to separate the Games Contest into divisions based on era. Honestly, you take out the 128 division and the few other barnburners we got, and that contest turns to crap. We got lucky...but just imagine what it could have been.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/20/2006 11:54:51 PM | message detail
Whoa, Deja Vu.
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 9/20/2006 11:55:24 PM | message detail

you're the one that asked us to be more excited. can't blame us for being realistic in that it was a matchup of two fodder characters. no one is really complaining here, at least not that I've seen.


It's likely due to the fact that I'm sleep deprived and have a paper to write.

The female bracket largely was not embraced at all, and the continuing criticism/hate it gets are just starting to get to me, especially at this late hour. I think there has been significant complaining, both due to the suckiness of the characters involved, the predictability of the matches, the way even close matches turn out to be predictable because of established trends, things like that. I sort of feel that we're expecting way too much out of these contests and might even be dismissing it before it even gets really going.

I guess I'm just a closeted Terra fanboy.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/20/2006 11:55:38 PM | message detail
But the problem with that Kirby comparison is that's a KH Squall we're dealing with...and I wouldn't expect Ramza to be as close to his game as Squall is to his.
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FFDragon | Posted 9/20/2006 11:57:01 PM | message detail
The KH Factor is probably the one factor I believe the least in. I can't see cameos boasting characters several percentage points. I just can't.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/20/2006 11:57:12 PM | message detail
Also because I don't know who the hell The Boss is and didn't see her performing much differently than Big Boss.

You could always, y'know...play an MGS game. <_<
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transience | Posted 9/20/2006 11:58:09 PM | message detail
well for me, I like watching matchups between good (strong) characters. personal preference plays pretty much no role here.

the girls in this contest are far inferior in that sense to their male counterparts. that's why people are down on it, not because the girls themselves suck. (though that part is kind of implied given that no one cares about them) we could be watching Knuckles vs. Shadow or something, but are instead forced to endure two weeks of fodder matchups waiting for the good stuff to happen. you can call it complaining if you want, that's up to you, but there's only been one match you could call good so far this contest and the female bracket is most likely to blame.
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transience | Posted 9/20/2006 11:59:19 PM | message detail
But the problem with that Kirby comparison is that's a KH Squall we're dealing with...and I wouldn't expect Ramza to be as close to his game as Squall is to his.

true, true. but I'd like you to point out one piece of evidence that points to FFT being stronger than FF8.

gah, I've been playing too much Phoenix Wright. OBJECTION OBJECTION HOLD IT TAKE THAT AHHHHHHHH
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/21/2006 12:02:13 AM | message detail
We only have two pieces of evidence for FFT to begin with. And what gives credence to the supposition is the whole Snake/Squall theory to begin with! =(
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/21/2006 12:03:42 AM | message detail
Boy I'm repetitive because I always repeat myself which is why I'm so repetitive.
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transience | Posted 9/21/2006 2:08:27 AM | message detail
whoa, Terra was going in the mid-sixties for a good hour. she seems to have gone back to normal now, but for a while she was kicking ass.
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Kaxon | Posted 9/21/2006 3:02:42 AM | message detail
Yeah, I'm happier than ever that Ceej decided to make the "other" contest a Series Contest rather than a Female Bracket. An entire contest of these females would be far worse than the Villains Contest could ever hope to be. It would almost be an insult if the Top 50 wasn't totally comprised of perfects.

Nothing could be worse than the Villain contest. Aeris/Zelda alone is more interesting than the entire Villain contest was.
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PlatinumSmurf | Posted 9/21/2006 3:14:04 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/cb5/cb511.jpg

I'd say it's advantage Amy, here. Althought she'd need to be at Tails's level to get a victory here. If she does make it close, it'll prove just how much Sonic has boosted.
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greatone10 | Posted 9/21/2006 3:18:43 AM | message detail
The best thing about Amy's pic is that I could have never heard of her before, but instantly know just by her artwork that she's probably a Sonic character.
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PlatinumSmurf | Posted 9/21/2006 3:19:42 AM | message detail
Actually I completly forgot about how bad KOS-MOS bombed last year. O_o

I mean, Knuckles was projected to double her. And if that's legit, you'd expect Amy to win!
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FFDragon | Posted 9/21/2006 3:21:08 AM | message detail
You're forgetting that Xenosaga III is freshly released, and getting far more acclaim than either of the previous installments.
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PlatinumSmurf | Posted 9/21/2006 3:24:23 AM | message detail
Any game with "Episode III" tagged onto it, is not going to attract new people to the series.

Also, check out her seeding. A 3rd seed. Which means that she would have been unlikely to qualify for a normal bracket, which means that she got less nominations than usual. Which again doesn't bode well.

Can you agree that if KOS-MOS performs like she did last year, she'll lose? So she's relying on a boost to win. And in which case, why the hell is she the favourite?
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FFDragon | Posted 9/21/2006 3:25:59 AM | message detail
Sonic fans don't care about Amy though. KOS-MOS doesn't need to be strong to win this one. KOS would have won regardless. Ep III just puts it totally out of reach.
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PlatinumSmurf | Posted 9/21/2006 3:32:44 AM | message detail
I'll hold you to that tomorrow. ^_~

Amy might not win, but I don't think that KOS-MOS will be "out of reach".

It'll be close either way.
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FFDragon | Posted 9/21/2006 3:34:19 AM | message detail
Yeah, there's really no point in going into it. We'll see how it goes down in about 17 hours anyway. I could see 60-40 for KOS, but if she really is weak I can see 55-45.
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Gooper Blooper | Posted 9/21/2006 4:28:55 AM | message detail
*comes in late*

Sorry, I'm not up at midnight discussing things like the rest of ya, but going back to the whole Kerrigan picture controversy for a sec... Ceej changed the pic? I wonder why he bothered, or why anyone else whined about it. Kerrigan's still ugly and she still loses 60-40. XD

Cortana won't get this treatment, I guarantee it. Board 8 loves their StarCraft, but Halo can't expect equal treatment, no sir, whether she's actually got better pictures out there or not.
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FFDragon | Posted 9/21/2006 4:46:54 AM | message detail
Terra 59.92% 58,916
Sarah Kerrigan 40.08% 39,409
TOTAL VOTES 98,324



Terra Branford 59.89% 17901
Sarah Kerrigan 40.11% 11988
TOTAL VOTES 29889

wtf lol x-stats being correct for once
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/21/2006 5:34:14 AM | message detail
Is Terra...winning the morning vote?

Just when I thought Celes had cemented FFVI as the epitome of suck with the day vote.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/21/2006 5:36:23 AM | message detail
Ah, more reasons to dislike Ceej. I love it.

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Who Cares? | Posted 9/21/2006 5:57:33 AM | message detail
Heh, I'm kinda suprised the x-stats held up so well for a couple characters fairly low in them.
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