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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 366

Lopen | Posted 9/20/2006 11:24:43 PM | message detail
Give me a break, you know you love it, EC!
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2006 11:24:54 PM | message detail

I agree... which is kinda why I said I'd smack myself in the balls with a hammer if Rinoa didn't make the female side, right after KH got done eating MGS. Thank god for that mans weak appetite.


Nobody likes Rinoa though. And the only people who would've nominated her (see: Square fanboys) already used their 7 spots on Tifa, Aeris, Kairi, Celes, Terra and Carmen Sandiego


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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/20/2006 11:25:21 PM | message detail
I think Peach would win vs. Rinoa pretty handily, but I suppose it's hard to gauge anything FF8 based on only Squall's preformance.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/20/2006 11:25:46 PM | message detail
I'm tempted to call Marle a snub, too. C'mon, Ceej. Anywhere but Aeris, and she'd have sparked some debate.
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transience | Posted 9/20/2006 11:25:48 PM | message detail
Rinoa would beat Kairi, no doubt.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2006 11:26:02 PM | message detail
I'd take Chun-Li over Yuffie. Yuffie would be little more than a midcarder at best. Nobody likes the annoying "ninja" chick that contribtes nothing to the story or battles.


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transience | Posted 9/20/2006 11:26:14 PM | message detail
and yeah, the two people in this bracket that drive me nuts are Squall and Marle.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/20/2006 11:26:47 PM | message detail
Why Squall?
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transience | Posted 9/20/2006 11:26:54 PM | message detail
I'd take Chun-Li over Yuffie. Yuffie would be little more than a midcarder at best. Nobody likes the annoying "ninja" chick that contribtes nothing to the story or battles.

lol vincent
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2006 11:26:56 PM | message detail
I'd take Kairi over Rinoa. KH fans are indifferent to Kairi, but FF8 fans HATE Rinoa.


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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/20/2006 11:26:58 PM | message detail
Turtle, you appear to be trying to gauge these things based off of your personal opinion of a character. This kind of thing does not bode well for your future predictions...
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2006 11:27:33 PM | message detail
But Vincent has everything going for him. He's got the whole badass thing that makes Auron beat Tidus down.


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transience | Posted 9/20/2006 11:27:48 PM | message detail
Squall got nearly doubled by his second round opponent in 2002. he's gotten stronger since, but given what happened to Sora, I'm not expecting it to make much of a difference.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/20/2006 11:28:23 PM | message detail
I'd take Kairi over Rinoa. KH fans are indifferent to Kairi, but FF8 fans HATE Rinoa.

Aeris didn't tell you that KH characters would lose to a speck of dust if it came from a Final Fantasy game?
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/20/2006 11:28:34 PM | message detail
You expect Squall to lose to Tidus?
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transience | Posted 9/20/2006 11:29:03 PM | message detail
that's round 1. Snake is round 2.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/20/2006 11:30:12 PM | message detail
Don't tempt me! =O

You don't have the nerve!

Of course I love it Lopen, just not when you're doing it on such putrid characters as Sheena and Kerrigan!

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/20/2006 11:30:27 PM | message detail
Meh, regardless of which 1st seed Squall was set up with, he would have lost. Snake is probably one of his better options, actually.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/20/2006 11:31:08 PM | message detail
Meh, regardless of which 1st seed Squall was set up with, he would have lost.

S-Sora?
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transience | Posted 9/20/2006 11:31:28 PM | message detail
as for Rinoa, she seems pretty similar to Rikku. I don't really care if you personally don't like her, that won't be the case for everyone. she'd be at the fodder line at worst.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2006 11:31:35 PM | message detail
I'm not basing this on personal opinion. I loved FF8, but nobody likes Rinoa, as evidenced by her absence from the field.


TuRtLe
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/20/2006 11:32:05 PM | message detail
Sora'd have no problem with Squall.
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Lopen | Posted 9/20/2006 11:32:15 PM | message detail
I'll have you know Claire was easily the most putrid of the characters that cost me points!
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/20/2006 11:32:22 PM | message detail
I'd take Kairi over Rinoa. KH fans are indifferent to Kairi, but FF8 fans HATE Rinoa.

Did you not see what Aeris did to Sora? KH is all fine and dandy until it faces a real square opponent.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/20/2006 11:32:35 PM | message detail
I'm not basing this on personal opinion. I loved FF8, but nobody likes Rinoa, as evidenced by her absence from the field.

Because nominations are a surefire gauge for strength!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/20/2006 11:33:25 PM | message detail
Sora'd have no problem with Squall.

I've got a feeling you're trying to have fun with me. Squall would make what Snake did to Sora look tame.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/20/2006 11:33:25 PM | message detail
I'm not basing this on personal opinion. I loved FF8, but nobody likes Rinoa, as evidenced by her absence from the field.

Totally. You know that Vincent guy who has been around long before 2K2, who needed a rally just to finally get in, in 2K5? Weak **** right thurr.

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The Real Truth | Posted 9/20/2006 11:33:39 PM | message detail
I'd love to see Sora put against Squall.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/20/2006 11:34:38 PM | message detail
ATTN: KH, STOP BEATING MY POSTS KTHX.

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FFDragon | Posted 9/20/2006 11:34:47 PM | message detail
I loved FF8, but nobody likes Rinoa, as evidenced by her absence from the field.

http://www.geocities.com/scorpionxsoul/ffviiismc.htm

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2006 11:36:00 PM | message detail
Did you not see what Aeris did to Sora? KH is all fine and dandy until it faces a real square opponent.

SFF: What happens when the stronger character in a match involving 2 characters from the same company or game, wins the match by way more than expected.


TuRtLe
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/20/2006 11:36:12 PM | message detail
I just don't see Squall as that strong of a character. Put him against some character from a non-SE game and yeah, he does good. Against another SE game, especially considering FF8 isn't the most accepted of Final Fantasies, don't know.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/20/2006 11:36:25 PM | message detail
Heh, that page makes me remember how much I liked FF8's character models. My personal opinion of the game aside, those were great for their time.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/20/2006 11:37:01 PM | message detail
SFF: What happens when the stronger character in a match involving 2 characters from the same company or game, wins the match by way more than expected.

Aeris is barely stronger than Sora indirectly.

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The Real Truth | Posted 9/20/2006 11:37:08 PM | message detail
You mean like how he barely lost to Vincent?
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transience | Posted 9/20/2006 11:37:27 PM | message detail
Meh, regardless of which 1st seed Squall was set up with, he would have lost. Snake is probably one of his better options, actually.

well, the thing with Snake is twofold:

1 - they've had a match before;
2 - Snake beat the living hell out of him and beat the hell out of Sora.

as KH and others have mentioned before, it's possible that Something Weird happened in Snake/Squall. Squall in 2003 was completely different than in 2002 and while Kingdom Hearts is credited as the reason, it's fully possible that Squall was just underrated. look how much he boosted up - that's pretty huge.

plus, MGS has shown itself to bomb horribly when going up against FF7 - twice, I think. if something similar happens with MGS and FF8 (and/or KH), the match is kinda pointless.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2006 11:37:38 PM | message detail
So some random Geocities page is supposed to prove me wrong? I'm sure you'd find similar pages for people like..... Amy Rose, who seems to be hated by the fanbase of her games.


TuRtLe
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/20/2006 11:37:50 PM | message detail
SFF: What happens when the stronger character in a match involving 2 characters from the same company or game, wins the match by way more than expected.

lol

I just don't see Squall as that strong of a character. Put him against some character from a non-SE game and yeah, he does good. Against another SE game, especially considering FF8 isn't the most accepted of Final Fantasies, don't know.

Yeah, that whole Squall/Vincent match? Totally unimpressive performance by Squall.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/20/2006 11:38:06 PM | message detail
I still think Vincent's strength is overrated.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/20/2006 11:38:19 PM | message detail
I just don't see Squall as that strong of a character. Put him against some character from a non-SE game and yeah, he does good. Against another SE game, especially considering FF8 isn't the most accepted of Final Fantasies, don't know.

I would take Squall over any FF character not from 7, without thinking.

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FFDragon | Posted 9/20/2006 11:38:55 PM | message detail
So some random Geocities page is supposed to prove me wrong? I'm sure you'd find similar pages for people like..... Amy Rose, who seems to be hated by the fanbase of her games.

Right, because one of the most prolific SMC contests on Board 8 means nothing. Your point was that NO ONE liked Rinoa. I just proved to you that B8 LOVES Rinoa.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2006 11:39:40 PM | message detail

Aeris is barely stronger than Sora indirectly.


I'm sure there's an example of something like this happening where someone who's barely stronger winds up blowing the other person out, but I'm too lazy/tired to look for it.


TuRtLe
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I used my brain and statistics to make my bracket. Karma Hunter used MGS fanboyism. KH won. Commit it to memory.
FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/20/2006 11:40:02 PM | message detail
By the way, nice job completely ignoring the seeding point BT.
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transience | Posted 9/20/2006 11:40:13 PM | message detail
I just don't see Squall as that strong of a character. Put him against some character from a non-SE game and yeah, he does good. Against another SE game, especially considering FF8 isn't the most accepted of Final Fantasies, don't know.

change this to Kingdom Hearts and you've got it right. FF8 is higher on the pecking order than KH is.

Sora/Aeris would probably be closer today than it was back when, but Sora still loses there. and assuming Aeris and Vincent were approximately equal as of 2k5, Squall looks a hell of a lot better than Sora.
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The Real Truth | Posted 9/20/2006 11:40:15 PM | message detail
I love Rinoa.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/20/2006 11:40:32 PM | message detail
So, a question here...if Squall does end up performing signficantly worse than expected on Snake this time around, how would you expect a MGS/FF8 match to go? FFT didn't seem to have much of a problem going up against it, and FFT > FF8 is dangerous territory...
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/20/2006 11:40:43 PM | message detail
If anything, Rinoa winning a contest on Board 8 backs up my claim that noone likes her. I call it the "lol board 8" factor


TuRtLe
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I used my brain and statistics to make my bracket. Karma Hunter used MGS fanboyism. KH won. Commit it to memory.
FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/20/2006 11:40:48 PM | message detail
I'm sure there's an example of something like this happening where someone who's barely stronger winds up blowing the other person out, but I'm too lazy/tired to look for it.

Nope, not really.

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FFDragon | Posted 9/20/2006 11:41:13 PM | message detail
From: The Real Truth | Posted: 9/20/2006 11:40:15 PM | Message Detail
I love Rinoa.
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transience | Posted 9/20/2006 11:41:22 PM | message detail
lol mario
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