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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 366

Master Moltar | Posted 9/20/2006 8:34:01 PM | message detail
Oh, and also, even assuming my "X-Stats don't work for fodder" logic doesn't work… Kerrigan has another factor going in: She'll probably have a better match picture this time. Everybody whined about it last year… and they should have. I surely didn't recognize her, nobody did. That wasn't the chick on my Starcraft loading screen, or my Starcraft box, or my Starcraft game! What? Her name? Maybe I forgot it! This could be huge for Kerrigan, methinks. (Go picture factor!)

Lopen's Prediction: Sarah Kerrigan with 54.91%



KH’s Analysis

lol x-stats history

Terra

Summer 2005 Contest
Extrapolated Strength --- 50th Place [17.10%]

Terra, considered by many to be the main character of Final Fantasy 6, is another glaring example of how characters from that game fail to be strong on nearly every level. The fact that the game's characters have three career wins against Pac-Man, Wesker, and Mithos is absolutely pathetic, and all of those wins come from Kefka. Terra is far weaker than the clown, and proved it when she stunk up the place in her match against Dante last year. What a disappointment.

Sarah Kerrigan

Summer 2005 Contest
Extrapolated Strength --- 64th Place [13.70%]

But if Terra was a disappointment, Kerrigan was a complete, total, utter disgrace. With a higher seed, the luxury of at least going up against untested competition, and the resounding successes of Blizzard entries such as Starcraft and Diablo, Kerrigan bombed to all hell against Vincent, ending up one of the five weakest characters in the entire contest going by the stats.

...there's not much more to say about these two.

Notable Releases Since Last Appearance

Terra: N/A
Sarah Kerrigan: N/A

Upcoming Releases

Terra: N/A
Sarah Kerrigan: N/A

The first debatable match in a while, and I'm inclined to treat it like a 1 v. 8 blowout. That's how much I dislike this match. The fact that two of the biggest bombs we had in the last contest are able to be pitted against one another in a subsequent contest just makes me want to boycott this match altogether.

In all honesty, when you get this low with fodder, I really don't think you can say anything for certain with this match. Things like match picture can have far more of a sway when the voters don't know or care about either contestant, and Kerrigan getting a Brood War picture might be the only thing she needs to tip this into a close match. Being Blizzard won't exactly hurt in terms of rallying potential.

Then again, I have a hard time seeing more people care about Kerrigan than people care about Terra. I really don't think Starcraft is in FF6's league here. Yes, I know what that implies. I'll just be stubborn and stick to the X-Stats on this one. If it goes differently, fine, I hate this damn female bracket anyway.

Karma Hunter's Vote: BOYCOTT

Karma Hunter's Krazy Prediction: Terra with 58.86%.

...yeah. I gotta win a point one of these times. =/

Upset Potential: 30%

I'm not even going to grace this with the typical upset alert that accompanies such a high upset probability. Man, I hate this match.

Upset Prediction: Kerrigan with 53.8%.



Guest’s Analysis - cyko

(4) Terra Branford
(Final Fantasy3/6) vs. (5) Sarah Kerrigan (Starcraft)
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at first glance, this seemed like an easy match to predict:

unadjusted S2K5 x-stats -

47) Terra Branford - 17.10% ..... 18.65%
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58) Sarah Kerrigan - 13.70% ..... 14.95%


that means that Terra is expected to win with 59.94% of the vote. therefore, most people in the BOP and the Guru Contest took Terra without giving this match a passing thought. in fact, pretty much noone talked about this match until this past Sunday, when Celes got absolutely clobbered by The Boss:
Master Moltar | Posted 9/20/2006 8:34:25 PM | message detail

The Boss 61.08% 66787
Celes Chere 38.92% 42565
TOTAL VOTES 109352


everyone to the PANIC ROOM!!!!

so, should we be panicing about Terra's chances? well, first of all, we have no guarantee of where Celes or The Boss lie in relation to Terra. most people feel that Celes had a slim, if any, chance at being stronger than Terra. there's really been no evidence (up until Sunday's match) that Celes was any stronger or weaker than Terra. as for The Boss, she did have a lot of casual bracket-maker support. and being a fan-favorite boss from the MGS series, she might be as strong as Revolver Ocelot, who was pretty even with Kefka (who in turn, seemed quite a bit stronger than Terra). so it's quite possible that The Boss would beat Terra as easily as she did Celes.

the other thing that makes people a little nervous about picking against Kerrigan is that she's a Blizzard character and Blizzard keeps finding a way to throw matches in the face of this board. however, those same people keep forgetting that Kerrigan is NO Starcraft. the majority of Starcraft fans do not play Starcraft for the campaign or because of how much they love Kerrigan. she will not gather the Blizzard support the same way that Diablo, GTA, and Starcraft did.

finally, don't forget about the pictures; because in fodder vs. fodder matches - they do make a difference. Terra holds a HUGE advantage in this department. i tried finding decent, recognizable pictures of Kerrigan. i really did. the only thing i could come up with was the cover of Starcraft: Brood War. and it seems highly unlikely that Ceej will use that pic because it just doesn't lend itself to the style of match pics that he uses. all that leaves is that ugly, unrecognizable pic that she got against Vincent last year. so, even though some people are still nervous about the Mass Carriers of Blizzard, they aren't gonna rescue Kerrigan.

cyko's prediction
- Terra Branford with 60.43%
UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/20/2006 8:43:04 PM | message detail
Slippery slope on Ceej's part. Now we'll just hear 900000 whining topics whenever a bad pic comes up.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/20/2006 8:43:53 PM | message detail
That always happens anyway!
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/20/2006 8:43:53 PM | message detail
They were in the same four-pack and Terra was expected to win 60-40...Terra's got all the intangables, though Kerrigan at least has a better pic now than before...and I still haven't heard anything about rallies for Kerrigan.

Terra should win with no less than 58%, and I'm calling for 59...point-twelve.
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trannyscience | Posted 9/20/2006 8:44:12 PM | message detail
maybe it'll become a fad and people will get modded for it. eh, I can hope.

the weird thing about this match is that if Kerrigan does indeed win, everyone will blame it on the picture. if the current picture was the original, I bet there'd be a lot less people saying something.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/20/2006 8:49:33 PM | message detail
Kerrigan will definitly do a bit better thanks to the new pic, but not enough to put her over Terra.
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creativename | Posted 9/20/2006 8:52:15 PM | message detail
I wonder who'll flop more with the day vote, Terra or Kerrigan.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/20/2006 8:52:44 PM | message detail
Both >_>
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trannyscience | Posted 9/20/2006 8:53:09 PM | message detail
Terra for sure. Terra would lose the day vote to a piece of air.
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/20/2006 8:54:03 PM | message detail
So, you're saying air is amazing with the night vote? =p

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creativename | Posted 9/20/2006 8:54:45 PM | message detail
And Kerrigan wouldn't?

A piece of air might be neutral in it's day/night tendencies...
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Janus5000 | Posted 9/20/2006 8:54:52 PM | message detail
I don't think anyone actually votes during the day in this case.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/20/2006 8:56:00 PM | message detail
Zelda getting 102,000 votes is good stuff. That's more than LoZ got against Civilization.

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trannyscience | Posted 9/20/2006 8:56:28 PM | message detail
hmm... maybe people will just stop voting altogether.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/20/2006 8:57:14 PM | message detail
Terra [52.00%] - 52 votes
Kerrigan [48.00%] - 48 votes
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/20/2006 8:57:23 PM | message detail
I say Terra does better during the day since Starcraft is strongest at night.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 9/20/2006 8:58:41 PM | message detail
I say Terra does better during the day since Starcraft is strongest at night.

And ff6 isn't?
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/20/2006 8:59:30 PM | message detail
*stronger
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Master Moltar | Posted 9/20/2006 9:00:15 PM | message detail
Terra Branford 66.67% 8
Sarah Kerrigan 33.33% 4
TOTAL VOTES 12

FINISH'D
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Moltar Status: Feeling good and hot-blooded.
Terra vs. Kerrigan - Bracket: Terra - Vote: Terra (8/9)
Karma Hunter | Posted 9/20/2006 9:00:34 PM | message detail
I say Terra does better during the day since Starcraft is strongest at night.

The Boss won the day vote against Celes.
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Master Moltar | Posted 9/20/2006 9:00:34 PM | message detail
98.13% for Zelda! Dayum!
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Terra vs. Kerrigan - Bracket: Terra - Vote: Terra (8/9)
Janus5000 | Posted 9/20/2006 9:00:51 PM | message detail
Terra Branford 64% 32
Sarah Kerrigan 36% 18
TOTAL VOTES 50

Hah, Zelda had a higher prediction % than Samus too.
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trannyscience | Posted 9/20/2006 9:00:57 PM | message detail
lol x-stawhat?
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/20/2006 9:01:41 PM | message detail
Terra Branford 60.98% 250
Sarah Kerrigan 39.02% 160
TOTAL VOTES 410

Bam!

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RPGuy96 | Posted 9/20/2006 9:02:22 PM | message detail
90 vote lead at the first freeze looks pretty good for Terra.

Y'know, this was kinda what I expected in the second round of the Devil Division last year. <_<
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/20/2006 9:02:25 PM | message detail
Zelda had an insane bracket percentage. Zelda over Samus confirmed.

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TheCruelAngel | Posted 9/20/2006 9:02:32 PM | message detail
Zelda > Samus.
Ganon > Sonic.
Link > Sephiroth + Cloud

Yes! Yes!
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dragoontheguy | Posted 9/20/2006 9:03:06 PM | message detail
Y'know, this was kinda what I expected in the second round of the Devil Division last year. <_<

Don't worry, you weren't alone. >_>
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 9/20/2006 9:04:01 PM | message detail
Score-Brackets-% Right
8------8583-----99.7320284
7------15100----99.2913907
6------11169----98.8539708
5------5250-----97.6380952
4------1737-----95.3367876
3------425------88.7058824
2------129------56.5891473
1------126------16.6666667
0------127------0.7874016

Overall prediction percentage: 98.13%

Close but not quite, we're still losing perfects and zeroes. It's still a good performance with the top 5 tiers breaking 90. Once again no one fell off the Top 50!
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Lopen | Posted 9/20/2006 9:04:48 PM | message detail
The board vote should massively favor Terra... I expect the % to plummet... though Kerrigan winning ain't feeling so great.
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cyko | Posted 9/20/2006 9:05:36 PM | message detail
c'mon, Terra - stay over 60%!!

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/20/2006 9:05:46 PM | message detail
Just stay around here, gals, and I'll be sitting pretty!
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/20/2006 9:06:01 PM | message detail
Kerrigan cuts into the percentage, but I think it's safe to say that Terra has it. Yeah, Terra had better win if her friggin' GAME can get 47% on Zelda: LttP.

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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/20/2006 9:06:13 PM | message detail
The board vote should massively favor Terra... I expect the % to plummet... though Kerrigan winning ain't feeling so great.

Really now? =p

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Big Bob | Posted 9/20/2006 9:07:26 PM | message detail
This has been a weird contest so far...

I expected Kairi/Claire to be a blowout, and instead it was really close.

I expected The Boss/Celes to be relatively close, but it was a blowout.

Now I expected this match to be close, but instead it's a blowout. Yet, I've corrected all three of these winners correctly, so that means...

Rose > KOS-MOS with 60%!
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Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 9/20/2006 9:07:43 PM | message detail
Theoretically wouldn't a battle royale favor Link by default since the Square fanbase will split their votes between Cloud and Sephiroth (who are relatively close in strength)? Whereas I guarantee if Link and Mario had another match right now Link would be around the 60% or more range.

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Lopen | Posted 9/20/2006 9:09:39 PM | message detail
What kinda plummeting is that? Come on, Kerrigan!
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trannyscience | Posted 9/20/2006 9:10:42 PM | message detail
percentage has pretty much stabilized.. this should stay around this percentage unless there's a ton of bracket voting going on.
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cyko | Posted 9/20/2006 9:11:52 PM | message detail
now, i wonder if this match will turn out like Peach vs. Daisy and the entire match stays in the 58% range all day long....

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Vincent Valentine to win the Blast Division!!
TheCruelAngel | Posted 9/20/2006 9:13:14 PM | message detail
I hope not. I want to see Terra 100tupling that *****. <_<
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/20/2006 9:14:08 PM | message detail
Meh...maybe even fodder is more linear than I gave credit for. It's pretty darn close to the x-stats right now. I thought x-stats for fodder was really only accurate if they faced different opponents of fairly similar strength (see CATS for 3 consec. years, see Conker, etc.)

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Janus5000 | Posted 9/20/2006 9:14:21 PM | message detail
Relax. It takes a while to get carriers.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 9/20/2006 9:14:32 PM | message detail
Theoretically wouldn't a battle royale favor Link by default since the Square fanbase will split their votes between Cloud and Sephiroth (who are relatively close in strength)? Whereas I guarantee if Link and Mario had another match right now Link would be around the 60% or more range.

Not really. One on one, Link beats everybody with only a small chance of losing to Cloud. We've never seen a Battle Royale before so there is at least a chance something wierd happens and Link loses and Link STILL has to fight Cloud at the end.
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/20/2006 9:16:21 PM | message detail
Bleh, this percentage slicing isn't looking good for my 59% Oracle.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 9/20/2006 9:17:53 PM | message detail
Looks like kerrigan will make this look a bit more respectable on her part. She still has about as much chance of winning as Carmen sandiego at this point though.
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/20/2006 9:20:52 PM | message detail
Ah, that's better.

NOW STAY THERE TERRA.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/20/2006 9:21:43 PM | message detail
Did Kerrigan have the board vote?!?!?
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Terra vs. Sarah Kerrigan / Bracket: Terra / Vote: Terra (8/9)
Tomorrow / Bracket: KOS-MOS / Vote: Amy Rose
Lopen | Posted 9/20/2006 9:25:13 PM | message detail
You know what this %age slicing isn't looking good for? My 52% Kerrigan Oracle pick. Attack fiercer, woman!

Damn it... man, Kerrigan just makes me sad. At least Sheena lost to a respectable opponent! Kerrigan shouldn't be this weak!
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creativename | Posted 9/20/2006 9:35:56 PM | message detail
Link STILL has to fight Cloud at the end.

Or Sephiroth. Can't see Mario lasting to the final two, but Sephiroth has some shot. Not much hero SFF would be necessary.

At any rate I expect to see something odd happen in the Battle Royale, as I think many of us do.
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