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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 366

dragoontheguy | Posted 9/21/2006 10:16:29 AM | message detail
Oh yeah, Shadow. That game that allowed Shadow back into the contest.

That probably had a lot to do with the game itself being completely abysmal.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/21/2006 10:26:00 AM | message detail
Abysmal Games: Hey!
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Big Bob | Posted 9/21/2006 10:32:06 AM | message detail
I'm a big Sonic fan, and I didn't even touch Shadow. Just from watching videos it looked like it was impossible to control.

They kept hyping guns as the big addition in this game, and yet you can't even aim! What's the point of that?!

Sonic Rush, however, was the best Sonic game I've played in a long time. If anything's gonna boost him, it'll be SR.

And Amy's Sonic Rider art = <3
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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/21/2006 10:33:31 AM | message detail
Shadow was one of the worst games of that year. Seriously.

Hell, it was one of the worst games this gen.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/21/2006 10:34:02 AM | message detail
And to note, I don't dislike games easily. I'm very easily pleased, but Shadow failed to come up to even my standards.
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H__RR____H | Posted 9/21/2006 10:35:46 AM | message detail
Aeris/Zelda alone is more interesting than the entire Villain contest was.

Kuja/Master Hand.


Any game with "Episode III" tagged onto it, is not going to attract new people to the series.

It may not have "Episode" in it, but Super Mario Bros. 3 is the best selling game of all time.


A 3rd seed. Which means that she would have been unlikely to qualify for a normal bracket, which means that she got less nominations than usual. Which again doesn't bode well.

She made the contest last year and had a new game released -- which apparently is very well-liked -- so it's not like it's bad logic to think she would have made the contest again. A 3-seed, no, not in a normal one, but still higher than her 7-seed last year.


It'll be close either way.

If the Villain Contest still has any truth or accuracy to it, Dr. Robotnik shouldn't break 40% on KOS-MOS before XS3 (sadly). Old-ass GF-polls will tell you that Amy is both less-liked and more-hated than Dr. Robotnik, she's no icon of gaming, she's not been in nearly as many games as he has, she missed out on the Genesis era, and she's PINK (heh, I think some GF-poll actually shows pink is its least-favorite color...but this is a joke anyway, so shut up if I'm wrong!). Amy can kiss her ass good-bye against KOS-MOS -- she might even be doubled.


They care for her less than the big 4, but like Peach is to the Mario series, Amy is still going to act as a magnet for Sonic voters.

Big five, at least.


I'm very easily pleased, but Shadow failed to come up to even my standards.

If your mom's standards weren't rock bottom, it wouldn't have matched hers either. =P
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/21/2006 10:36:13 AM | message detail
When you say "that year", you mean this year, right?
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consolefreak | Posted 9/21/2006 10:39:36 AM | message detail
By the way, we should totally rally for Liquid back into the next contest. I know he bombed completely, but barely avoiding a tripling from somebody like Sephiroth is still fairly decent.

I nominated him this year, actually. I'll do it again next year.

Also, Liquid appears to be the main villain for MGS4 (in Ocelot's body, that is), and Sephiroth probably SFF'd him a good bunch, so he could prove to be pretty popular.

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/21/2006 10:40:45 AM | message detail
I'd rather see Raiden get another chance.
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MyworldisSmurf | Posted 9/21/2006 10:42:00 AM | message detail
Anybody that dismisses Shadow either didn't give it a fair chance or a hype magnet. It was difficult to appreciate, but once you gave it a chance, the rewards were there.

I mean, playing through Cosmic Fall was one of the highlights of any platforming game. Plummeting thousands of feet outside the Ark, with space all around. Using the gunplay to delay air effects, wall jumps, spin dash, air tornados, homing strikes. For the first time in any platforming game, I felt like I was controlling a god.

And hell, compare the story with something like Mario Sunshine or Sonic Heroes. It was much better, cleared a lot about shadow, and it made sense.

I'll admit it's not for everyone, but don't dismiss it. Even check the GF reviews for it, I counted 9 perfect 10's. Does that sound like the work of the "Worst game this generation". XD
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/21/2006 10:43:43 AM | message detail
Most of the reader reviews on this site should be taken with a grain of salt.

Or bucket.

Or a truckload.
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Big Bob | Posted 9/21/2006 10:44:13 AM | message detail
I would like to play it someday just to form my own opinion on it, but it just doesn't seem like the kind of game that has a soul...

I know a couple of people who played it who both said they initially loved it, but quickly grew to think it sucks.
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consolefreak | Posted 9/21/2006 10:48:33 AM | message detail
I'd rather see Raiden get another chance.

This is very entertaining as well, considering his MGS4 role.

We need both, really.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/21/2006 10:48:53 AM | message detail
Raiden definitely needs another shot before Liquid.

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/21/2006 10:49:46 AM | message detail
Raiden could potentially win a few matched if he doesn't get screwed with seeding.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/21/2006 10:51:03 AM | message detail
We also need to get Naked Snake in the contest, and everyone has to actually nominate him as Naked Snake, not Big Boss.

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H__RR____H | Posted 9/21/2006 10:51:39 AM | message detail
QUICK WITHOUT THINKING: Smurf, give me three bad aspects of the Sonic series, pronto. I don't know if I've ever heard you give the series any criticism, and I have to see if it can really happen.....
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/21/2006 10:51:57 AM | message detail
That would be so weird...

"Hay, why is Snake in the bracket twice?"
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/21/2006 10:54:00 AM | message detail
On IGN Solid Snake took down the house as most popular character, the character doing the next best on him? Naked Snake with 49+% IIRC. I'm sure if we got him into a contest, and he was given a good place in the bracket, he could cause hell.

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H__RR____H | Posted 9/21/2006 10:55:07 AM | message detail
Naked Snake VS Dante, who ya got?
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 9/21/2006 10:55:34 AM | message detail
Any game with "Episode III" tagged onto it, is not going to attract new people to the series.

I saw a bewildering amount of people on the Disgaea 2 board ask "Xenosaga 3 or Disgaea 2"

Only to learn after a few posts that not only had they played Disgaea 1, but they hadn't played Xenosaga 1 or 2 either O_o

I'm not exactly sure what possesses someone to go out and start on episode 3, but...
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/21/2006 10:56:03 AM | message detail
Naked Snake VS Dante, who ya got?

Considering Solid > Naked, Dante.

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/21/2006 10:57:08 AM | message detail
Screw that, let's nominate Otacon.
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H__RR____H | Posted 9/21/2006 10:58:18 AM | message detail
Screw that, let's...not.

Meryl, bay-bee, that's where it's at.
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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/21/2006 10:59:40 AM | message detail
Johnny Sasaki plz.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/21/2006 11:01:38 AM | message detail
Vamp plz.

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KleenexTissue50 | Posted 9/21/2006 11:02:32 AM | message detail
Actually, Johnny could make for an interesting joke character rally. Hmm...
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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/21/2006 11:06:35 AM | message detail
Holy ****. Johnny for 2k7. PLEASE.
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MyworldisSmurf | Posted 9/21/2006 11:08:50 AM | message detail
QUICK WITHOUT THINKING: Smurf, give me three bad aspects of the Sonic series, pronto. I don't know if I've ever heard you give the series any criticism, and I have to see if it can really happen.....

- Camera angles
- Big the cat
- Some of the voices. Especially Cream.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/21/2006 11:12:09 AM | message detail
Now, do the original 2D Megadrive/Genesis ones (Sonic 1, 2, 3+K and CD ONLY, please).

This is fun >_>
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MyworldisSmurf | Posted 9/21/2006 11:12:56 AM | message detail
- No story
- Can't save
- Repetitive
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consolefreak | Posted 9/21/2006 11:15:11 AM | message detail
We also need to get Naked Snake in the contest, and everyone has to actually nominate him as Naked Snake, not Big Boss.

I disagree with this. Naked Snake would get a crapload of votes for looking like Snake. Heck, Solid Snake got a Naked Snake picture once. Do we really want characters like Dark Link or Dark Samus in the contest? Because they're pretty comparable.

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MyworldisSmurf | Posted 9/21/2006 11:16:17 AM | message detail
What we need is every Metal Gear character not named Solid Snake as far away from the contest as possible.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/21/2006 11:17:13 AM | message detail
How would collections do in a games contest? Super Mario All-Stars + World vs. FFVII? Sonic Mega Collection + vs. Ocarina of Time? Zelda Collector's Edition vs. Anything? Mega Man X Collection vs. SSBM? They could be quite an interesting wild card.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/21/2006 11:20:31 AM | message detail
lol, smurf

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Yeah, maybe Naked Snake is a little too close to Solid for it to be true. If he looked a little more different to Solid (Give him Black hair or the full Big Boss Beard or something), then it would be fine. He would get votes as "MGS3 Protagonist" not "OOH IT'S SOLID SNAKE O WATE". Hell, even then he'd be decent. But he isn't like that.

And after MP3, I think Dark Samus might make the contest.

And then I WEEP FOR HUMANITY.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/21/2006 11:23:08 AM | message detail
How would collections do in a games contest? Super Mario All-Stars + World vs. FFVII? Sonic Mega Collection + vs. Ocarina of Time? Zelda Collector's Edition vs. Anything? Mega Man X Collection vs. SSBM? They could be quite an interesting wild card.

Hypothetically that's awesome, but it's not really in the spirit of a GAMES contest. I mean, Bros 3 and World are two popular games here. Stick them together and they became almost godly. Same with ZCE.

It would be too unpredictable. And it would have to make the original games inelligible. Imagine putting Sonic Mega Collection in, and that causing Sonic 2 to be snubbed. No.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/21/2006 11:32:40 AM | message detail
Hypothetically that's awesome, but it's not really in the spirit of a GAMES contest. I mean, Bros 3 and World are two popular games here. Stick them together and they became almost godly. Same with ZCE.

Who cares about spirit? If it makes more interesting matches, it's certainly worth it.

It would be too unpredictable.

I have never, ever, heard someone complain about a bracket being too unpredictable.

And it would have to make the original games inelligible. Imagine putting Sonic Mega Collection in, and that causing Sonic 2 to be snubbed. No.

Why would it have to make the originals ineligible? I see no reason not to have both.

In fact, discussing this has convinced me that including characters like Dark Samus and Mega Man X would be awesome. Massive unpredictability for the win!
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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/21/2006 11:36:12 AM | message detail
I have never, ever, heard someone complain about a bracket being too unpredictable.

I literally gasped when I read that I said unpredictable. I meant predictable.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/21/2006 11:37:47 AM | message detail
Why would it have to make the originals ineligible? I see no reason not to have both.

If you allowed Collections and the originals, there's a good chance they'd meet each other. Massive SFF/Completely stupid match right there.

Plus, it's a disadvantage to the original game even if they don't meet.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/21/2006 11:40:55 AM | message detail
If you allowed Collections and the originals, there's a good chance they'd meet each other. Massive SFF/Completely stupid match right there.

Meh, I doubt CJ would put collections up against their members. That just wouldn't make any sense, and he's largely learned his lesson from 2k4.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/21/2006 11:42:18 AM | message detail
Yeah, but even if you didn't have Sonic 2 vs. Mega Collection, you might wind up with a singular game, which is otherwise a decent midcarder (like Sonic 2), facing a collection.

Imagine Sonic 2 vs. MMX Collection. Ouch.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/21/2006 11:42:53 AM | message detail
Even worse, imagine Sonic 2 vs. SUPER MARIO ALL-STARS/SUPER MARIO WORLD. That would be painful to watch.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/21/2006 11:56:24 AM | message detail
I mean, SMW/Sonic 2 was bad enough.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/21/2006 11:57:53 AM | message detail
I disagree with this. Naked Snake would get a crapload of votes for looking like Snake. Heck, Solid Snake got a Naked Snake picture once. Do we really want characters like Dark Link or Dark Samus in the contest? Because they're pretty comparable.

Solid Snake/Naked Snake is so completely different from Dark Link and Samus it isn't even funny. As he has his own personal story (better than Solid's IMO), his own game where he is the main character, and plays a role as an older man in previous MGS's.

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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/21/2006 12:02:44 PM | message detail
*nods @ EC*

Naked Snake would be a strong character for sure, but...would it really be legit, or would he just leech of Solid's Strength? I mean, Solid vs. Naked would be Ganon/Link-esque.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/21/2006 12:04:14 PM | message detail
I don't think Solid/Naked would turn out anywhere close to Ganon/Link, since you know, Naked actually has his own ground to stand on. If you played MGS3 there's no way you don't know it's Naked Snake.

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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/21/2006 12:07:08 PM | message detail
I know, but some of Naked's advantage has to come from looking like Solid Snake. "HAY! It's Solid Snake! But why is he called Naked Snake in the poll? o_O Oh well, I'll vote for him anyway."

Yeah, it wouldn't be a Link/Ganon affair, but it wouldn't be pretty.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/21/2006 12:08:36 PM | message detail
Then how could Naked put up 49%+ on Solid Snake himself on an IGN poll? Sure GameFAQs =/= IGN, but I don't think there's suddenly going to be a ton of people here to make that a match that close, to a 70-30 affair. People like Naked Snake because he's the hero of MGS3, not because of Solid Snake.

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/21/2006 12:09:01 PM | message detail
Kerrigan, much like the female bracket, sucks nuts.

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