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Axem Turtle | Posted 9/16/2006 9:39:55 PM | message detail
I will never understand how FF6 is so damn popular, but it's characters aren't.

Moreso, I can't understand how Kefka is the most popular of the bunch.....

Is anyone else extremely confused by all of this? I mean, ONE of them has to have some strength.... right?

TuRtLe
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laughingman1 | Posted 9/16/2006 9:40:30 PM | message detail
Raiden was easily the worst main character in a MGS game.
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AmazingKirby | Posted 9/16/2006 9:41:01 PM | message detail
Is anyone else extremely confused by all of this?

Yes.

I mean, ONE of them has to have some strength.... right?


Nooooooooooo.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/16/2006 9:41:07 PM | message detail
MGS doesn't have the Survival Viewer and still manages to be more stealth-oriented than any of its sequels (no FPV FTW). Hence, MGS > all, not even taking into account its superior story and the best protagonist EVAR WOO GO SOLID SNAKE TO THE FINALS BABY YEAH OKAY I'M DONE
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DeathChicken | Posted 9/16/2006 9:41:17 PM | message detail
Well, given Raiden's competition is Snake and Naked Snake (who was like, the ultimate deadpan warrior), that isn't fair
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laughingman1 | Posted 9/16/2006 9:42:11 PM | message detail
Ok, Let me put it in another way, Raiden was a crap character period.
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i thought what i would do was pretend i was one of those deaf mutes but should i
Haste_2 | Posted 9/16/2006 9:43:14 PM | message detail
Heh, I was just messing around when I said Old Ocelot = Young Ocelot. I'm not saying I don't believe it, of course, but obviously you can't conclude anything based on a match of two unmeasured characters.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."
Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/16/2006 9:43:14 PM | message detail
The same odds of people not overestimating FF6 again.

Like those crazy people who would actually take FFVI over SSBM in a games contest?

Dude, are you my twin?

Heh, that's what I thought when I was reading your arguments about MGS3...long ago.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/16/2006 9:43:14 PM | message detail
MGS3 easily has the worst gameplay out of the series.

Jungle environment, as opposed to the much better indoor environment? Check.
Camoflauge that makes you switch it every time you walk over a new area? Check.

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Do you really need me to bring out the stats?- Azp2k32 on why Zero would double Luigi
Heroic Mario | Posted 9/16/2006 9:44:05 PM | message detail
The Boss doing this is good for numerous reasons. This match is filled with awesome.

...Okay! Done!

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DeathChicken | Posted 9/16/2006 9:44:12 PM | message detail
Except the indoor environment in MGS2 was awful. The ship was fine, but the plant was......bland. Incredibly so
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 9:44:48 PM | message detail
Everytime someone says MGS3 is the best of the series, a little part of me dies inside.

MGS3 is one of the best games, period, not just the series. Of course, the other two are up there as well, but I figured I'd try to get more than just a little part of you dead.
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"...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow
Karma Hunter | Posted 9/16/2006 9:45:12 PM | message detail
Meh, once you start playing MGS3 with speedrunning in mind (which kicks ass), you never bother to switch camos throughout the course of the game. Learning how to bolt through areas with just the right routes without changing camouflage is all kinds of awesome.
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laughingman1 | Posted 9/16/2006 9:45:19 PM | message detail
1.Indoor areas that look like the same damn thing in every room? Check.

2. Crappy villian(Solidus) Check.

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i thought what i would do was pretend i was one of those deaf mutes but should i
Haste_2 | Posted 9/16/2006 9:46:02 PM | message detail
There is ONE good thing about today's result: We won't have to see an ugly SFF-fest in Round 2 against Tifa, so we'll have reliable x-stats values.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."
Yesmar | Posted 9/16/2006 9:46:13 PM | message detail
Is anyone else extremely confused by all of this? I mean, ONE of them has to have some strength.... right?

I still say that the FFVI characters would do much better if they had sprites. Kefka overperformed on Wesker with a Final Battle Sprite. Imagine what he'd do with the Laughing Sprite.

I think Mog might be fairly popular though, although more because he's a moogle than due to his character in FFVI.
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DeathChicken | Posted 9/16/2006 9:46:15 PM | message detail
Was just about to say, the Moss camo fits about 90% of the terrain you run into. And it keeps your stamina at full <_<
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 9:46:29 PM | message detail
And hopefully we can have another good thing with The Boss performing respectably and breaking 30% as well!
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"...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow
KamikazePotato | Posted 9/16/2006 9:46:35 PM | message detail
MGS Environment>>MGS2 Environment>>>>>MGS3 Environment

MGS2 Storyline>MGS Storyline>>>>>MGS3 Storyline

MGS Characters>>MGS2 Characters>MGS3 Characters

MGS2 Gameplay>>MGS Gameplay>>MGS3 Gameplay

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Do you really need me to bring out the stats?- Azp2k32 on why Zero would double Luigi
Axem Turtle | Posted 9/16/2006 9:46:56 PM | message detail
This sucks losing my perfect so soon. Not only that, but Axem Turtle will be off the leaderboard after today ;___;

TuRtLe
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DeathChicken | Posted 9/16/2006 9:47:29 PM | message detail
MGS2 Storyline>MGS Storyline>>>>>MGS3 Storyline

*spits out Coke*
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 9:47:56 PM | message detail
MGS2 Storyline>MGS Storyline>>>>>MGS3 Storyline

NO.
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"...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow
KamikazePotato | Posted 9/16/2006 9:48:09 PM | message detail
Yes.

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Do you really need me to bring out the stats?- Azp2k32 on why Zero would double Luigi
KamikazePotato | Posted 9/16/2006 9:48:34 PM | message detail
Although,

MGS3 Ending>>>>the other two endings combined

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Do you really need me to bring out the stats?- Azp2k32 on why Zero would double Luigi
laughingman1 | Posted 9/16/2006 9:48:46 PM | message detail
1.MGS3 Boss fights >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MGS2 Boss fights.

2. MGS2 had such a crap story, Most of it was unnecessary garbled crap near the end.
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i thought what i would do was pretend i was one of those deaf mutes but should i
THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 9:49:15 PM | message detail
The plotline of MGS2 was unnecessarily convoluted.

And while Snake, Otacon, and Ocelot are better as characters in MGS2, that still doesn't save the MGS2 cast from the land of suck compared to the rest of the series.
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"...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow
Karma Hunter | Posted 9/16/2006 9:49:36 PM | message detail
MGS2's storyline was cool, it was the presentation that was off.

MGS2's gameplay mechanics are superior to perhaps all three, but the implementation of them makes the game too easy. I'll never understand why people complain about TTS's difficulty when MGS2 does most of the same damn things.

However, the VR Missions in MGS2 make that game the best of the MGS trilogy, gameplay-wise. Heck, Substance's VR arguably makes it the best gameplay EVER.
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/16/2006 9:50:31 PM | message detail
I still say that the FFVI characters would do much better if they had sprites. Kefka overperformed on Wesker with a Final Battle Sprite. Imagine what he'd do with the Laughing Sprite.

Ultros might've benefited from a sprite picture, as well, and he also seems like a character that might grab some joke votes. In fact, I can't say it's impossible sprite Ulty is weaker than than Celes with her current picture, though I'd definitely still bank on Celes being the stronger one.

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"Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?"
"Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think."
KamikazePotato | Posted 9/16/2006 9:50:36 PM | message detail
MGS Boss Fights>>MGS2 Boss Fights=MGS3 Boss Fights

MGS3 had absolutely horrible characters. Everyone except for, you guessed it, The Boss, was either bland or awful.

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Do you really need me to bring out the stats?- Azp2k32 on why Zero would double Luigi
XxSoulxX | Posted 9/16/2006 9:50:56 PM | message detail
The jungle in MGS3 happens to be the worst level in all games this generation!
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DeathChicken | Posted 9/16/2006 9:51:19 PM | message detail
The story of MGS3 was incredible, even before the ending. Everyone was double crossing everyone, and it's vastly entertaining to look back on it

I'll take it anyday over MGS2. AKA Kojima furiously masturbating over how he's mind controlling anyone silly enough to buy his products
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 9:51:24 PM | message detail
Whoa, 65.27% update for The Boss. Granted, that was all Celes dropping, but still.
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"...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow
KamikazePotato | Posted 9/16/2006 9:51:43 PM | message detail
MGS2's storyline was cool, it was the presentation that was off.

This I agree with, although I thought the stuff at the end (you know what I mean) was presented perfectly.

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Do you really need me to bring out the stats?- Azp2k32 on why Zero would double Luigi
The_Ocelot | Posted 9/16/2006 9:51:44 PM | message detail
Yea the Bosses in MGS3 were completely lame and had no back story other than The Boss herself and The Sorrow.
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laughingman1 | Posted 9/16/2006 9:52:35 PM | message detail
What's it matter when the boss fights were FUN? The Furys fight was awesome.
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i thought what i would do was pretend i was one of those deaf mutes but should i
THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 9:52:39 PM | message detail
MGS3 had absolutely horrible characters. Everyone except for, you guessed it, The Boss, was either bland or awful.

I'll take a combination of bland or awful over MGS2's awful villains cast. Dead Cell is horrendously bad.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/16/2006 9:52:44 PM | message detail
The story of MGS3 was incredible, even before the ending. Everyone was double crossing everyone, and it's vastly entertaining to look back on it.

The MGS3 storyline was bland, and was only saved by the ending.

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Do you really need me to bring out the stats?- Azp2k32 on why Zero would double Luigi
Karma Hunter | Posted 9/16/2006 9:52:44 PM | message detail
I'll take it anyday over MGS2. AKA Kojima furiously masturbating over how he's mind controlling anyone silly enough to buy his products

I love MGS2, and this is still one of the best descriptions of it ever.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 9:53:46 PM | message detail
MGS spoiled you people with villains ranting for 15 minutes before they died. The Cobra Unit didn't need a cool backstory to be enjoyable boss fights.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/16/2006 9:53:49 PM | message detail
What's it matter when the boss fights were FUN? The Furys fight was awesome.

I didn't find most of them fun either.

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Do you really need me to bring out the stats?- Azp2k32 on why Zero would double Luigi
Axem Turtle | Posted 9/16/2006 9:56:35 PM | message detail
How are the votals looking?

TuRtLe
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/16/2006 9:56:54 PM | message detail
MGS spoiled you people with villains ranting for 15 minutes before they died.

Another reason why MGS is THE BEST GAME EVER
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/16/2006 9:57:57 PM | message detail
To clarify, the reason I didn't find them fun is because the characters didn't rant for 15 minutes before they died. Or have any redeeming qualities whatsoever. Or present any sort of difficulty whatsoever.

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Do you really need me to bring out the stats?- Azp2k32 on why Zero would double Luigi
THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 10:01:24 PM | message detail
What? Making The Fear vomit to death is awesome.
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DeathChicken | Posted 9/16/2006 10:01:49 PM | message detail
Funny. Most people complain over how difficult they found End to be
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/16/2006 10:02:56 PM | message detail
The End posed no real challenge once I put on the Thermal Goggles.

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Do you really need me to bring out the stats?- Azp2k32 on why Zero would double Luigi
HaRRicH | Posted 9/16/2006 10:02:56 PM | message detail
MGS environment > MGS2 >= MGS3 (though it's very cool)

MGS storyline >= MGS3 > MGS2

MGS characters > MGS3 >> MGS2 (when Raiden and Vamp are the two best new characters...yeah)

MGS2 gameplay > MGS >= MGS3

MGS3 ending > MGS = MGS2
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Big Bob | Posted 9/16/2006 10:03:01 PM | message detail
I was away for an hour, and I just got back and was curious what was going on.

Once I saw that The Boss was whipping Celes, I laughed my ass off. XDXDXD
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 10:04:04 PM | message detail
For those wondering about what The Boss might get on Tifa next round...

If Celes = Ivy and The Boss finishes with 60% here, she will get 28.58% against Tifa.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/16/2006 10:04:17 PM | message detail
Also, let me clarify that I can understand why someone would like MGS3 better than 2, even if 2 is my favorite.

But better than the original? Heresy!

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Do you really need me to bring out the stats?- Azp2k32 on why Zero would double Luigi