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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 363

THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 6:38:03 PM | message detail
I think you missed the line by quite a bit.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 9/16/2006 6:39:02 PM | message detail
Sheena is gonna bomb, real bad dude.

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 6:40:09 PM | message detail
She's not gonna win by any means, but she's not that bad.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 9/16/2006 6:40:37 PM | message detail
She will be that bad.

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Draco1214 | Posted 9/16/2006 6:41:31 PM | message detail
Sheena will rank above Lloyd.
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/16/2006 6:42:57 PM | message detail
Kratos Aurion isn't the main character, and he's above Lloyd by a pretty good margin.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 9/16/2006 6:49:32 PM | message detail
Lloyd is a special case in some regards as a protaganist. Even though he's the undeniable main hero of the game, a large sum, if not the vast majority of ToS fans don't consider him to be the best character. That title would probably go to Kratos.
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Phediuk | Posted 9/16/2006 6:53:02 PM | message detail
Sheena will be bad fodder. Lloyd and Kratos are both much more prominent within the game than she is (don't bring up Vincent, FFVII isn't in the same ocean as ToS) and the ToS hype has long worn off.

It'll be Ada/Jade 2.0.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/16/2006 6:53:19 PM | message detail
I don't see why Sheena would also get that title, though. I mean, yeah, Kratos > Lloyd wasn't *particularly* surprising to see. Kratos just makes Lloyd look like a damn fool for the entire game (not that Lloyd needs help, but still). The only thing I've really seen go in Sheena's favor to help her out over Lloyd is, um, sex appeal.

I just don't think that will do it, at least not in a match against Jill. The match picture may be the deciding factor, come to think of it. =/
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/16/2006 6:57:37 PM | message detail
I'd take Lloyd > Sheena without a second thought. And I fully expected Kratos to outrank Lloyd.

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 6:59:19 PM | message detail
The only thing I've really seen go in Sheena's favor to help her out over Lloyd is, um, sex appeal.

And, you know, likeability.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 9/16/2006 6:59:46 PM | message detail
Hey, I never said she'd outrank Lloyd, just that lloyd isn'tthe ceiling of ToS character strength. I don't think she could be any weaker than mithos though.

(don't bring up Vincent, FFVII isn't in the same ocean as ToS)

No, but vincent does prove prominence doesn't have much to do with strength. Just to give you another example, while he wasn't exactly strong, hk-47 would probably be by far the most powerful kotor character in a contest setting and at the time he was in the contest kotor2 wasn't out yet, and he wasn't even remotely prominent in kotor, he was simply as vincent is, a fan favourite.

Not that Sheena will be even remotely strong, I see her hanging around the fodder line myself.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/16/2006 7:00:17 PM | message detail
And, you know, likeability.

...exactly how many ToS characters do you expect to be stronger than Lloyd?!?!
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 9/16/2006 7:00:38 PM | message detail
If Sheena gets the artwork of her showing off her cleavage she'll do good. Sheena really will look good regardless and kids nowadays love sexy anime looking girls.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 7:01:15 PM | message detail
Other than Kratos, just Sheena, really. The rest are a very mixed bag among the fanbase. Zelos is the only other one that would really stand a chance.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/16/2006 7:02:35 PM | message detail
No, but vincent does prove prominence doesn't have much to do with strength. Just to give you another example, while he wasn't exactly strong, hk-47 would probably be by far the most powerful kotor character in a contest setting and at the time he was in the contest kotor2 wasn't out yet, and he wasn't even remotely prominent in kotor, he was simply as vincent is, a fan favourite.

...this is sort of due to the nature of the main character though. I really think the PC would be stronger if he/she had a set appearance and name at the beginning rather than letting you choose. Of course, that would significantly diminish the whole KOTOR experience, I just don't think HK-47's the ceiling of what KOTOR could have produced.
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Who Cares? | Posted 9/16/2006 7:03:46 PM | message detail
I've always seen the fanbase as Kratos > Sheena >= Lloyd > everybody else > Colette

I think Jill/Sheena will look much like Kefka/Mithos, she'll avoid the doubling but won't be close to 40%
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/16/2006 7:04:38 PM | message detail

...exactly how many ToS characters do you expect to be stronger than Lloyd?!?!


Maybe Zelos...but even he's iffy. Kratos and Sheena are just far and away the two most liked characters from the game. Everyone else is rather split in like and hate.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/16/2006 7:06:04 PM | message detail
I can't see anyone else other than Kratos outranking Lloyd because Lloyd is too strong and easy to use in combat, as well as being the main character.

Why was Kratos stronger then? Because he was just too cool, much like Magus.

Why is Crono stronger than Magus, then? Because Crono has the good sense to have a cool design and not sound like an idiot every time he opens his mouth. Being mute saved the lad. <_<
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Keno316 | Posted 9/16/2006 7:06:35 PM | message detail
...Poor Raine...she gets no love...
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 9/16/2006 7:06:47 PM | message detail
Riku > Yoshi

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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/16/2006 7:08:23 PM | message detail
Because Raine was dreadfully dull.

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 7:08:52 PM | message detail
Sheena is popular for much the same reason that Tifa is. And she's got cool Summon Spirits! I mean, I find most ToS fans like her, unlike the rest of the fanbase (sans Kratos), which has a lot of love/hate mixture. But if even Mithos (who seems to be hated much more than loved) can come close to matching Lloyd, I see no reason why Sheena can't.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 7:10:43 PM | message detail
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 7:10:44 PM | message detail
http://www.animeka.com/bonus/tos/gallery/33.jpg

Here is the picture Ms. Valentine has to watch out for.
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therealmnm | Posted 9/16/2006 7:12:05 PM | message detail
Since we were talking about FFVI characters at the beginning of the topic, I have to add in one thing.

There is Edgar... and then there is everybody else. An engineer and a gentleman, who happens to be a king!
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dragoontheguy | Posted 9/16/2006 7:12:24 PM | message detail
...this is sort of due to the nature of the main character though. I really think the PC would be stronger if he/she had a set appearance and name at the beginning rather than letting you choose. Of course, that would significantly diminish the whole KOTOR experience, I just don't think HK-47's the ceiling of what KOTOR could have produced.

I suppose, but then again Auron is debatably stronger then Tidus, I was just using hk-47 as an example. I'd mainly attribute that to squeenix deciding to make a side character the badass of the story and the main character the idiot of the group though.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 9/16/2006 7:14:26 PM | message detail
Since we were talking about FFVI characters at the beginning of the topic, I have to add in one thing.

There is Edgar... and then there is everybody else. An engineer and a gentleman, who happens to be a king!


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Locke > all!!!!

Of course this sort of disagreement is exactly why despite being one of gamefaqs favourite games, it's incapable of producing a contest powerhouse. Hell, it's incapable of even producing a mid-carder.
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therealmnm | Posted 9/16/2006 7:19:09 PM | message detail
I never used Locke. I actually despised it when he kept forcing himself upon the party! I liked using Edgar, Cyan, Sabin, and either Terra or Celes. But Edgar, Cyan, and Sabin were definitely my most used party members.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 7:20:42 PM | message detail
My ideal party was Locke, Celes, Edgar, and Sabin. Sometimes I'd use Cyan or Terra.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 9/16/2006 7:20:43 PM | message detail
Locke>Cyan>Shadow>Celes>Terra>=The rest
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 9/16/2006 7:21:09 PM | message detail
I don't get why FFVI can't produce a decent character regardless. The fanbase is split but so what? I'm sure a lot of the CT fanbase varies on if they like Magus or Frog more but they seem to support both anyway.

Terra and Kefka both are liked far more than a character like Lloyd among their fanbase and yet both are garbage even though FFVI is so much more popular. I just don't understand it.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 9/16/2006 7:21:45 PM | message detail
Oh and Sabin ranks just ahead of Celes of course...
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 7:22:11 PM | message detail
I'm sure a lot of the CT fanbase varies on if they like Magus or Frog more but they seem to support both anyway.

Yeah, but it's a lot different than having to choose between Locke, Sabin, Edgar, Terra, Celes, and Shadow.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 9/16/2006 7:23:19 PM | message detail
Dammit, I need to play FF6 again; I keep forgetting characters to put on my list. Setzer fits in as tied with Cyan as my second favourite character in the game.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 9/16/2006 7:24:12 PM | message detail
The reason I picked Terra last year was I figured somebody from FFVI had to be strong, and it certainly wasn't Kefka, so why not Terra? Since then, we've had even more proof that Final Fantasy VI is strong (10AC, 66% playership rate, FF's performance in the Series contest), and, yet, all the characters still suck. It flummoxes me to this day.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/16/2006 7:25:23 PM | message detail
What really gets me, is that they're on par with characters that shouldn't even be in their league. I mean, sure, you like Terra, Locke, Sabin, Edgar, Shadow, and Celes all more than Kefka. That doesn't necessarily mean you're going to vote frigging Pac-Man over him.

Or how Terra is projected to lose to Kratos Aurion with around 45% of the vote. HAS 50% OF GAMEFAQS EVEN PLAYED TOS??? Shouldn't Terra get default votes in that sort of a situation? Yet as much as logic might tell me to ignore the stats in that circumstance, I'm pretty sure Kratos would win...

Damn FF6.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 9/16/2006 7:25:45 PM | message detail
Yeah, but it's a lot different than having to choose between Locke, Sabin, Edgar, Terra, Celes, and Shadow.

I think his point is that despite the differences you'd still think fans of ff6 would vote for Terra even if she was their fourth favourite character or somewhere way back like that. I mean, I voted for Cecil last contest, and he's MAYBE my third or fourth favourite character in FFIV.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/16/2006 7:26:05 PM | message detail
Hey, EC! Lost? <_<
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RockMFR 5 | Posted 9/16/2006 7:26:24 PM | message detail
Has this been posted yet?

Who is your favorite Final Fantasy VI character?
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=847

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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/16/2006 7:27:40 PM | message detail
Why some of those characters even have votes perplexes me.

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dragoontheguy | Posted 9/16/2006 7:27:53 PM | message detail
That poll is from so long ago and had so few votes that it really doesn't hold up too well IMO.
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Keno316 | Posted 9/16/2006 7:29:25 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=847


Relm being second last is an atrocity...


...She should be ****ING LAST!!!!!
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RPGuy96 | Posted 9/16/2006 7:30:34 PM | message detail
Well, Shadow is the fan favorite, and fan favorites tend to do well in those kind of polls, so I wouldn't be surprised if he managed to win again if it was held today. Beyond that, I don't think you can really draw any conclusions from a four and half year old poll with fourteen characters and about a fourth of the amount of votes that a match gets nowadays.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 7:30:35 PM | message detail
Too many characters, too few votes, too old.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/16/2006 7:46:05 PM | message detail
grrr firefox and tricking me with it's tabs!

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