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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 362

cyko | Posted 9/16/2006 2:16:27 PM | message detail
*shrugs*

i still think Celes looks perfectly fine. however, that scene that picture is taken from is one of my absolute favorite video game scenes of all-time. so maybe i am a bit biased. she still looks way more feminine and way prettier than The Boss, though.

and i also don't think this match will be close wire to wire. but i really don't think either character can manage a blowout. whoever wins, i predict a 45-55 match.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/16/2006 2:18:32 PM | message detail
The fact that we can still see the black under her arm and the outlines...whether you think Celes is inherently more appealing than The Boss is one thing. But the quality of the picture is very lacking, which is something you can't say for Boss'.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 2:18:50 PM | message detail
I really can't see this as being a Vergil/Ghaleon match. The only way I can see one of them even breaking 60% in this match is if one of them turns out not to be fodder or one is just ridiculously weak.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/16/2006 2:22:00 PM | message detail
I really can't see this as being a Vergil/Ghaleon match. The only way I can see one of them even breaking 60% in this match is if one of them turns out not to be fodder or one is just ridiculously weak.

BINGO. The way I see it someone's going to turn out absolutely pathetic, even beyond expectations. It could be Celes, due to Devil Division overrating for Terra, leading to Celes overestimation (or maybe she's just not as popular). It could be The Boss, suffering from Wesker syndrome. Or maybe it'll be both, and we get a close match. <_<

It'd be weird to see them both as high fodder. I can't imagine it happening -- there's too much potential for failure here.
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 9/16/2006 2:22:34 PM | message detail

i still think Celes looks perfectly fine. however, that scene that picture is taken from is one of my absolute favorite video game scenes of all-time. so maybe i am a bit biased. she still looks way more feminine and way prettier than The Boss, though.


I agree with just about all of that. I guess it's because I really like both of the characters, but both pictures suit their personalities well. That Celes scene is also one of my favorites from FFVI, it's just so epic. I think The Boss looks strong but still feminine, which fits her character.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 2:26:48 PM | message detail
But once again, the tricky part is figuring out which one will bomb. Even if the match doesn't turn out to be close at all, I can say that it was a good setup in the bracket by CJayC.
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transience | Posted 9/16/2006 2:31:21 PM | message detail
eh, the one more likely to bomb is the boss. that's not to say she will, but Celes is a character from a popular Square RPG who already has had one of its characters be shown as fodder. I doubt she's going to deviate much from that. the boss could be anything from Ocelot to Kuja.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 2:32:34 PM | message detail
That's part of the reason I picked Celes. The Boss has a bigger chance of crashing and burning. We've never seen an MGS3-exclusive character, so we don't know what to expect.
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Kijuna | Posted 9/16/2006 2:33:00 PM | message detail
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Aprosenf | Posted 9/16/2006 2:34:55 PM | message detail
You're 40 posts too early.
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/16/2006 2:38:55 PM | message detail
MGS characters aren't good with the day vote, but we're talking about FF6 characters here. I bet even Alucard would win the day vote against Kefka or Terra. Terra lost percentage all day long against Dante, who has a similar day vote to Vincent.

I'm not gonna be here tomorrow, so I won't be able to watch how it really goes except for tonight. But, I'm going to assume this: If Celes doesn't manage 53% in the first hour I'm just going to assume The Boss wins it.

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Ayvuir | Posted 9/16/2006 2:39:45 PM | message detail
Celes will pull it off because of the FF Factor, and thats all. Boss i can see crashing and burning in the 45% hell, and Celes will reign supreme
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Yesmar | Posted 9/16/2006 2:43:09 PM | message detail
eh, the one more likely to bomb is the boss. that's not to say she will, but Celes is a character from a popular Square RPG who already has had one of its characters be shown as fodder. I doubt she's going to deviate much from that. the boss could be anything from Ocelot to Kuja.


I wouldn't say that The Boss is the one more likely to bomb. MGS side characters have a history of being moderately strong. The same can't be said for Final Fantasy "fan favorites" like the bolded example.
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Master Moltar | Posted 9/16/2006 2:44:38 PM | message detail
Good to see Ivy put up a somewhat respectable daytime performance. I was hoping this match would follow Tifa/Vyse patterns.

The Boss/Celes...I'm not too worried about it. I'll agree that The Boss is more likely to bomb. Celes can't be that strong though...Meh, I don't know. I'll just go with whatever argument I have in my analysis.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 2:47:20 PM | message detail
MGS side characters have a history of being moderately strong.

We've seen, what, two? How many FF characters have we seen?

The same can't be said for Final Fantasy "fan favorites" like the bolded example.

...I can't believe you just called Kuja a fan favorite. He's one of the most despised FF characters in existence.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/16/2006 2:58:28 PM | message detail
Not really. How many close fodder/fodder matches are there, really? I expect a Vergil/Ghaleon out of this. It's the victor I'm iffy on.

Claire/Kairi was pretty damn close, and those two are far more fodderific than Celes/The Boss.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/16/2006 2:59:26 PM | message detail
Claire/Kairi was pretty damn close, and those two are far more fodderific than Celes/The Boss.

I ****ing wish. =(
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/16/2006 3:05:51 PM | message detail
Heh, I believe Mac is purposefully becoming that guy who says the opposite of what he thinks to make more arguements.....
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/16/2006 3:10:44 PM | message detail
Nah, I argued for Terra > Kairi for a while a few stats topics ago. I don't really believe it any more, since that would require a pretty enormous drop for Claire, but why change your opinion even when all the facts turn against you?
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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 9/16/2006 3:16:21 PM | message detail
Neither Celes or Boss really has anything going for them. This match will be decided by who bombs more.

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HaRRicH | Posted 9/16/2006 3:24:23 PM | message detail
Yeah, they're both from very popular games here that take until you beat the game before you can fully appreciate them (that's what I understand about Celes, anyway). Though FF/FF3-6 is bigger than MG/MGS3 here, I think MGS3 is character-based enough to let one of its fan-favorites beat one of FF3/6's less-liked characters.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 3:25:49 PM | message detail
I think MGS3 is character-based enough to let one of its fan-favorites beat one of FF3/6's less-liked characters.

Since when was The Boss facing Gau? Celes is rather well-liked by the FFVI fanbase.
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/16/2006 3:30:55 PM | message detail
I had the fave-FF3/6 poll in mind when I said that, and considering she's below Terra (both in that poll and in seeding) as well as several others and Terra is not only behind Kefka and Ultros already but could still be over-rated thanks to the Devil Division.....
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 3:32:14 PM | message detail
Please don't even take Ultros into consideration when talking about this. Ultros > Terra ought to send up flares as it is.

Besides, you're talking about a favorite poll with a ridiculous amount of characters. It means less than most favorite polls because of that.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/16/2006 3:32:43 PM | message detail
Whoa, doesn't Terra smoosh Ultros? Like, big time??? Not to mention Ultros is probably more overrated than her...
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/16/2006 3:34:05 PM | message detail
Oh, the favorites poll. Yeah, I could see Ultros doing better there than in a regular one. Thing is, I was always under the impression Celes was a bigger fan-fave than Terra, and yet she did worse in a poll that should have presumably favored her...I know, too many contestants to matter, but man...
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cardboard_BoxA_ | Posted 9/16/2006 3:35:21 PM | message detail
I still can't get over how Nidoran F>>Samus happened in my bracket >_<
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/16/2006 3:36:37 PM | message detail
If you had Nidoran F > Samus, I'm not sure how you could have missed it unless you simply didn't have a bracket with a chance. Samus is a lock for the finals, so you'd think that you'd notice you didn't have her there... <_<
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cardboard_BoxA_ | Posted 9/16/2006 3:38:34 PM | message detail
Yeah but I remember doing a last minute check.
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/16/2006 3:42:59 PM | message detail
Ultros better be VERY over-rated, 'cuz Terra only has room to go down in last year's stats. Not only that, but before I played FF3/6 I always heard more about Ultros than Terra, so maybe -- bizzare as it would be, heh -- there might be more truth to that than either of us would like to think. Plus, yeah, it's a big favorites-poll, but the seeding fits with the poll -- Terra as a 4-seed, Celes as a 5-seed...Terra beating out Celes by a little bit.

Celes isn't looking high and mighty herself, which is all I'm saying. The Boss won't be a smashing success by any means, but I think she's looking to be in better shape right now.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/16/2006 3:44:58 PM | message detail
Well, this is kinda what happens when you don't play FF6, HaRR. Trust me, Ultros is a funny joke villain, but there's no way he's on par with any but the weakest of the playable characters. There's an argument for Celes being the main of FF6...
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GrapefruitKing | Posted 9/16/2006 3:45:13 PM | message detail
Think any of the two can break 30% on Tifa in round 2?

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GrapefruitKing | Posted 9/16/2006 3:45:30 PM | message detail
or 25%?
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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 9/16/2006 3:46:49 PM | message detail
I'd take Ultros over any character not named Terra/Celes/Sabin/Shadow/Locke and Edgar

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/16/2006 3:47:14 PM | message detail
Ivy's damn close to 24% herself (though maybe her boobs are doing that). Still, I'd like to think either Celes or Boss could do a percent better.

No way either hits 30%, though.
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/16/2006 3:48:23 PM | message detail
I did play it though, until about the World of Ruin (which is where Celes shines, I think)...but still, I can't really blame the more talk going to Ultros than Terra, either. Not to say he should be stronger, but he's still worthy of talk, which I never heard of Terra before I played.

Locke >>> them all though.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 3:49:46 PM | message detail
If you think Locke is awesome in the World of Balance, you'd love him after the Phoenix scene.
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/16/2006 3:51:01 PM | message detail
Terra got 28.5% against Dante last year...if Terra > Celes and FF7/FF:AC/KH2 can SFF FF3/6, not to mention Tifa > Dante...heh, it could get UGLY.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 3:51:54 PM | message detail
Tifa/Celes would be ugly, believe me.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 9/16/2006 3:59:07 PM | message detail
From a statistical perspective, I want The Boss to win for an accurate measure of how good(bad) those 2 really are
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 4:00:15 PM | message detail
I'd like to see a fair comparison between Terra and Celes, but if The Boss wins tonight, I think it'd be safe to say that Celes wouldn't be stronger than Terra anyway. Just equal at best.
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Wii_TuRtLe | Posted 9/16/2006 4:00:24 PM | message detail
That won't do anything n00b, because after Tifa blows out Boss 85/15, people will blame it on Playstation SFF

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/16/2006 4:01:29 PM | message detail
Psh, forget that! I'd be calling for Tifa > Samus!
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 9/16/2006 4:02:07 PM | message detail
Celes FTW!
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Janus5000 | Posted 9/16/2006 4:02:46 PM | message detail
I'm-a Luigi! Number One!
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/16/2006 4:03:15 PM | message detail
Phoenix > Gordon
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