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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 359

UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/14/2006 7:10:03 PM | message detail
Regardless of who wins, I'm not looking forward to tomorrow at all. Every match with KH in it turns into an "omg wtf why is teh kidday winningign?1?2" whinefest.

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/14/2006 7:10:31 PM | message detail

I never said rSFF, though it's a possibility. I was thinking along the same lines as you, with Bowser coincidentally overperforming on both Sephiroth in the VC and Snake in CB4. There's just something really fishy about those matches.


You never mentioned rSFF, and I was never talking to you.

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/14/2006 7:11:22 PM | message detail
Regardless of who wins, I'm not looking forward to tomorrow at all. Every match with KH in it turns into an "omg wtf why is teh kidday winningign?1?2" whinefest.

When Claire rocks faces I fully intend to rub it in the boards face. And when this post makes me look like a jackass in 2 hours, I expect you to do the same.

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Axem Turtle | Posted 9/14/2006 7:11:54 PM | message detail
My bad.

At any rate, there only needs to be a little Mario/Zero SFF and a little Kirby overratednes to make that match very close. Whoever wins won't break 52%

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HaRRicH | Posted 9/14/2006 7:12:12 PM | message detail
So... Link can SFF Mega Man, but Mario can't?

That doesn't make much sense to me...


Mario would likely SFF Mega Man, too. Mega Man couldn't SFF Zero though, and I wonder how much -- if any -- Link could SFF Zero. Again, Zero was falling a bit shy of expectations before his loss to Mario already (though you can give some credit of that to Hayabusa getting his ninja pic, but there's no excuse for Lloyd based off of Wesker), and the fact that Mega Man couldn't SFF Zero makes me a bit more skeptical that Mario could.

AGAIN, I stress he could, but based on everything I just said, I don't think Mario SFF'd Zero.
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FFDragon | Posted 9/14/2006 7:13:21 PM | message detail
When Claire rocks faces I fully intend to rub it in the boards face. And when this post makes me look like a jackass in 2 hours, I expect you to do the same.

I'm with EC on this one. When Claire starts to trounce, I'll be doing some gloating. If the opposite manages to happen, I'll take what happens like I should.
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therealmnm | Posted 9/14/2006 7:13:33 PM | message detail
Though Mario/Zero SFF makes a little sense, I still wonder why Mega Man can't and Mario can.

In the X series, there is a stigma from Zero's first appearance that makes him more appealing than X. Hell, Zero's first conversation in the game basically went "Don't worry X! Your power is still growing! You might even get as strong as me! His character design and general aura of superiority make a good amount of Zero fans like him better than Mega Man himself. He doesn't hold that same edge over Mario...
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/14/2006 7:14:40 PM | message detail
Mega Man =/= Mega Man X, everyone knows that!

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/14/2006 7:15:41 PM | message detail
But that's the thing. I try not to gloat over these things anymore. There's no point to it, and "board divide" matches make this place annoying as hell to read.

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Axem Turtle | Posted 9/14/2006 7:16:57 PM | message detail
What mnm said. I can definitely see how the fanbase would be split between X and Zero.

The argument you stated kind of implies that because Samus can't SFF Ganondorf, that Link shouldn't be able to get noticeable SFF against her.

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Axem Turtle | Posted 9/14/2006 7:17:53 PM | message detail
If I could make a bold statement, if Mega Man didn't have any other games than the X series, Zero would've won that match <_<

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Axem Turtle | Posted 9/14/2006 7:18:49 PM | message detail
Actually, a better comparison may be that because Crono couldn't SFF Vincent that much, that Cloud/Sephiroth can't either.

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/14/2006 7:19:24 PM | message detail
But that's the thing. I try not to gloat over these things anymore. There's no point to it, and "board divide" matches make this place annoying as hell to read.

It's fun, so long as you can take the heat when you're wrong, I have no problem with people doing it, I mean there's only a certain point you should go to (Vincent/Kerrigan was just disgusting, any Kerrigan supporter was literally castrated around here), but it's all in fun. It just comes with it being contest season.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/14/2006 7:19:38 PM | message detail
While it's impossible to be a true sportsman 100% of the time, I try to handle my wins and losses with class as much as possible. As an aside, I hope somebody read my Kairi/Claire analysis; I honestly feel it's the best one I've ever done.
FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/14/2006 7:20:00 PM | message detail

The argument you stated kind of implies that because Samus can't SFF Ganondorf, that Link shouldn't be able to get noticeable SFF against her.


And when they faced off, he didn't.

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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/14/2006 7:20:15 PM | message detail
It's certainly the longest!

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Axem Turtle | Posted 9/14/2006 7:21:28 PM | message detail
I'd like to think I take my bracket losses gracefully. and my wins sportsmanlikey (aside from Warcraft/GTA gloating, which was more a result of the "OMG WHAT THE HELL U THINKIN!!!!!!!!!!!!! GTA IS CONTEST PWOERHOUSE!!!!!111111111" people)

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trannyscience | Posted 9/14/2006 7:21:29 PM | message detail
here's the thing: it's an internet popularity contest. gloating in general is immature, but doing it for an internet contest is just... no.
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Axem Turtle | Posted 9/14/2006 7:22:25 PM | message detail
Crap, I meant Link couldn't get SFF on Ganondorf. Damn, my whole point is butchered because of that typo >_<

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therealmnm | Posted 9/14/2006 7:23:31 PM | message detail
And I'm still not a fan of trying to base Zero off of Wesker. There are all sorts of screwy stuff with trying to take the Villains contest stats at face value. Plus, it's not like a Magus situation where we had little contest data and were pretty much basing strength off of one match. We've had plenty of data on Zero. I just don't see him going from near-elite level to being on Knuckles-type level. No disrespect to Knux of course, but put Zero in Knuckles place in these contests and Snake sweats a hell of a lot more than he's had to so far.
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/14/2006 7:23:37 PM | message detail
Meh, I don't see what someone would gain out of gloating...in anything. I sure as hell won't be gloating if Phoenix upsets Gordon.
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/14/2006 7:25:02 PM | message detail
there's only a certain point you should go to (Vincent/Kerrigan was just disgusting, any Kerrigan supporter was literally castrated around here), but it's all in fun. It just comes with it being contest season.

That's because they were castrating us before the match. We just returned the favor afterwards.


Seriously though, I agree -- it should be in good fun, always, and usually the loser should be prepared to take his fair share of **** if he loses and made a big deal about it before the result. If they can't handle very much of it yet dished alot out, well...may be mean, but I wouldn't be opposed to seeing some minor harrassment just to shut them up next time.

That's a positive of keeping your ass humble, for those who talk big.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/14/2006 7:28:02 PM | message detail
here's the thing: it's an internet popularity contest. gloating in general is immature, but doing it for an internet contest is just... no.

Eh, I see no problem joking around and rubbing it in the faces of people you're cool with, it's all in good fun, it's not as though I actually view myself as superior to anyone, (well I do when it comes to taking stats, but very, very few, and I think you all know who those people are), it's all in good fun. I mean it's not like everyone doesn't give HM hell every time one of his crazy shenanigans blows up in his face, it just adds to contest fun for me, whether I'm dishing it out, or receiving it.


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therealmnm | Posted 9/14/2006 7:28:14 PM | message detail
Vincent/Kerrigan was a special case though. You rarely see that much debate over such a blowout. There was just no way I could see Kerrigan even making a match out of that. Usually I acknowledge the other side as there are always valid points. But there was just no way for that in Vincent/Kerrigan!
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/14/2006 7:28:58 PM | message detail
A) I think Knuckles is over-rated a touch anyway, thanks to Crono/Vincent, but let's not get into that...

B) ...but we can get into the fact that Knuckles 2k5 ain't the same Knuckles Solid faced three times. I'd take Zero > Knuckles, yes, but I don't see what's so wrong with them being fairly comparable now (or at least last year).
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Axem Turtle | Posted 9/14/2006 7:29:46 PM | message detail
So, after all this discussion, we've reached the conclusion that.... Kirby/Zero is a 50/50 match?

At least this talk makes me much more confident in Zero > Luigi (seemed obvious to me, not sure why people took Luigi in that one)

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therealmnm | Posted 9/14/2006 7:30:25 PM | message detail
B) ...but we can get into the fact that Knuckles 2k5 ain't the same Knuckles Solid faced three times. I'd take Zero > Knuckles, yes, but I don't see what's so wrong with them being fairly comparable now (or at least last year).

Because I see no reason for Zero to have dropped in the first place.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/14/2006 7:30:47 PM | message detail
or receiving it.

That's often, for the uninformed!

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FFDragon | Posted 9/14/2006 7:30:49 PM | message detail
What's the harm in gloating every once in a while? In a heated match that could go either way, there's going to be a right side and a wrong side. If you're adamant enough to support a side, you should get to reap what you've sown, whether that be good or bad.

It adds to the fun of the contest for me, especially since I usually only make one big stand per contest. RE/SF was last contest, Claire/Kairi is this contest.

It's all in good fun. ^_^
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/14/2006 7:30:49 PM | message detail
Vincent/Kerrigan was a special case though. You rarely see that much debate over such a blowout. There was just no way I could see Kerrigan even making a match out of that. Usually I acknowledge the other side as there are always valid points. But there was just no way for that in Vincent/Kerrigan!

Star Ocean > Pokemon was almost just as bad, and I escaped with my balls unscathed.

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Dilated Chemist | Posted 9/14/2006 7:31:41 PM | message detail
Zero will get the 'cool' votes, like Shadow/Wario, which will push him into a comfortable lead through out.

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/14/2006 7:32:09 PM | message detail
That's often, for the uninformed!

Oh the sweet irony!

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/14/2006 7:33:16 PM | message detail
Zero will get the 'cool' votes, like Shadow/Wario, which will push him into a comfortable lead through out.

Man, I remember saying that in Shadow/Tidus.
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/14/2006 7:33:27 PM | message detail
Because Pokemon/Star Ocean was a one-pointer, while it was a foregone conclusion for many that the winner of Kerrigan/Vincent would beat Dante.
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therealmnm | Posted 9/14/2006 7:33:46 PM | message detail
Star Ocean > Pokemon was almost just as bad, and I escaped with my balls unscathed.

Well, I was pretty adamant over Pokemon > Star Ocean too... Although I wasn't as passionate for arguing for Pokemon. You notice I spent nearly as much time making Xenogears look good. ;)
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/14/2006 7:33:53 PM | message detail
And when I say I'll be gloating after Claire/Kairi, it's only going to be so if Claire manages to completely blow her out (which I'm expecting), if Kairi keeps it respectable or she wins (obviously) I won't be doing any such thing.

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/14/2006 7:34:24 PM | message detail
Because Pokemon/Star Ocean was a one-pointer, while it was a foregone conclusion for many that the winner of Kerrigan/Vincent would beat Dante.

*stabs you*

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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/14/2006 7:35:03 PM | message detail
I plan to do absolutely nothing regardless of the result. Neither of these characters are worth it.

Now Samus SFFing Mega Man...

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Draco1214 | Posted 9/14/2006 7:35:18 PM | message detail
Hey, I had Dante > Vincent in my bracket!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/14/2006 7:36:57 PM | message detail
When MM/Samus happens I'll go ballistic regardless of the result. Which will be MM winning, but still --!
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/14/2006 7:37:05 PM | message detail
I plan to do absolutely nothing regardless of the result. Neither of these characters are worth it.

Well seeing as Kairi is only worth hate, while Claire indifference, of course it is!

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/14/2006 7:37:46 PM | message detail
And yes HM, Samus SFFing Mega Man *is* ridiculous! Good show, there.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/14/2006 7:38:12 PM | message detail
And yes HM, Samus SFFing Mega Man *is* ridiculous! Good show, there.

It's a nice spoonful of fact, sir.

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charmander6000 | Posted 9/14/2006 7:38:36 PM | message detail
I too had Dante > Vincent and I was one of the few people in this topic that kept arguing for him.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/14/2006 7:39:00 PM | message detail
While discussing old picks, I had Vincent > Squall in the Devil Division!

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/14/2006 7:40:18 PM | message detail
Samus can't SFF Nidoran F. And just on the off-chance that it was the *nature* of the match that caused that result, well...WAIT UNTIL YOU SEE THE NEW POKEMON LINEUP FOR WII!

NEWCOMING POKEMON: MEGA MAN
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 9/14/2006 7:41:49 PM | message detail
MarioSuperStar, that was your own fault picking Shadow over Tidus.

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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/14/2006 7:42:17 PM | message detail
That's right -- Nidoran F can resist SFF better than Mega Man~! Pokemon is just Samus's kryptonite! And cooler looking suit SFF for the win.


Stupid Pokemon. Stupid, stupid Pokemon.

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HaRRicH | Posted 9/14/2006 7:43:17 PM | message detail
So Zero went from 33.96% to 32.09% on BL, and Hayabusa and Lloyd both point to Zero underperforming just a little bit. Zero-2k5 beats Vercetti-2k5 worse than how their match went in 2k4, too, so that says a little something as well...

...where's the problem at?
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 9/14/2006 7:43:23 PM | message detail
I too had Dante > Vincent and I was one of the few people in this topic that kept arguing for him.

It was pretty much me and you vs. the topic.

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