GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 357
| Kaxon | Posted 9/12/2006 2:27:12 PM | message detail |
| The only character I'm sure I've voted for every
time is CATS. Mega Man and Crono have gotten my vote every time except
when they faced each other - I can't remember which one I voted for
that time. --- CATS's Road to the Character Battle V Championship Round 1: Sonic |
| therealmnm | Posted 9/12/2006 2:27:46 PM | message detail |
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What's this? Only 70 or so posts in the stats topic in the workday
during contest season? I can deal with that... I refuse to play
catch-up with 2-3 topics a day anymore! --- Vote for Carmen Sandiego in SC2k6 Currently playing: Grand Theft Auto 3, Castlevania:Curse of Darkness |
| Kratos_42 | Posted 9/12/2006 2:27:56 PM | message detail |
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Wow. Wow. I just really, really hate Steve. Steve, how the hell did you
get even more obnoxious from last the contest!? Oh, and how could you
disgrace Sushi X's name by putting your filthy lier's name next to it?
Sicko. --- He wields the blade of a fallen hero, but now he is the hero, and it is the others who fall. He is rising. |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 9/12/2006 2:28:23 PM | message detail |
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I like it when there isn't 2 - 3 topics to catch up with either. In fact, I downright hate when that happens. >> --- ...a lone figure shining in the toxic shadows. She comes dressed for war, and her wrath is terrible. |
| nookrulz | Posted 9/12/2006 2:29:45 PM | message detail |
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when are we going to get our SFF-adjusted Extrapolated Standings for SC2k6? --- hay guyz |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 9/12/2006 2:30:33 PM | message detail |
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After the contest? --- ...a lone figure shining in the toxic shadows. She comes dressed for war, and her wrath is terrible. |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/12/2006 2:36:16 PM | message detail |
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The only characters I can think of who I've always voted for are Magus,
Kefka, and CATS. I would've done so for Ganon, but I really like
Magus... --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| therealmnm | Posted 9/12/2006 2:43:22 PM | message detail |
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Well, I have a set voting pattern among my Top 5 (Knuckles > Zero
> Sonic > Bowser > Link). Only 2 have faced off against each
other (soon to be twice!), so I haven't had to worry about that. But if a character that I like is primed to lose handily to another character I like, I always give them the pity vote. I'd vote for Ryu Hayabusa over any of the above even though I like them better. I know I'm not the only one who pity votes in that situation, am I? --- Vote for Carmen Sandiego in SC2k6 Currently playing: Grand Theft Auto 3, Castlevania:Curse of Darkness |
| Kaxon | Posted 9/12/2006 2:45:23 PM | message detail |
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when are we going to get our SFF-adjusted Extrapolated Standings for SC2k6? Assuming you're referring to the series contest, there's nothing to base an adjustment on. So never. --- CATS's Road to the Character Battle V Championship Round 1: Sonic |
| LordOfDabu | Posted 9/12/2006 2:46:49 PM | message detail |
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Adjustments should never be made after a contest regardless; that's
just post hoc reasoning. In order for a theory to have any merit
whatsoever it has to make accurate predictions before they occur, not
after. --- "Professor Planet, mathematical hero. Going to take epsilon down to zero." Math board: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=576216 |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 9/12/2006 2:47:01 PM | message detail |
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I know I'm not the only one who pity votes in that situation, am I? Depending on how much I like one of the characters, I'll usually find myself doing this. That's why I can only say I've always voted for two characters since 2002. I do a lot of pity voting. --- ...a lone figure shining in the toxic shadows. She comes dressed for war, and her wrath is terrible. |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/12/2006 2:51:27 PM | message detail |
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But if a character that I like is primed to lose handily to another
character I like, I always give them the pity vote. I'd vote for Ryu
Hayabusa over any of the above even though I like them better. I know
I'm not the only one who pity votes in that situation, am I? Of course not! I'd certainly vote Carmen Sandiego over anyone in the contest, for example. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 9/12/2006 2:55:28 PM | message detail |
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I have always voted for... Sonic. Knuckles. Alucard And some characters who has been in 3 or 4 rounds. Ryu Hayabusa Wesker Tails Shadow (Amy will be the first Sonic character I will vote against) Only voted against once because he was against Sonic: Megaman Only voted against once since he couldn't possibly lose that match: Magus (Heh) --- Supporter of Daisy. |
| Kaxon | Posted 9/12/2006 3:24:10 PM | message detail |
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Adjustments should never be made after a contest regardless; that's
just post hoc reasoning. In order for a theory to have any merit
whatsoever it has to make accurate predictions before they occur, not
after. Well, the whole point of the stats is to predict the next contest. So it makes plenty of sense to adjust the stats when we know they won't make accurate predictions. --- CATS's Road to the Character Battle V Championship Round 1: Sonic |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/12/2006 3:27:13 PM | message detail |
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No, the point of the stats is the explain and rank characters'
approximate strengths the year the stats are made. We then use them the
next year because they're the newest information we have. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| Gooper Blooper | Posted 9/12/2006 3:30:22 PM | message detail |
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Steve Fun Fact The Sage has NEVER played a Pokemon game...not once. 'Mindless kiddie drivel!' I was previously neutral on the subject of Steve analyses. Now I hate him. Try playing a Pokemon game before forming opinions on it, you narrow-minded... *curses* --- Back in my day, video games had one degree of movement, uphill, through the snow, both ways, and we liked it. - CJayC |
| FastFalcon05 | Posted 9/12/2006 3:31:03 PM | message detail |
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I believe without spending too much thought on it, that I've always
voted for Yoshi, Zelda, Sora, possibly Mario, hmm, I'd have to think
about it a bit more. And for those saying you wouldn't want to call the whole contest based off this match, I agree, and yet, if Samus weren't to win, this would be *exactly* the sort of thing you (collectively) would logically point to as the first sign of something's wrong. Ie, we should have known she wouldn't win after how poorly she did on Nidoran F. So while this alone doesn't mean Samus is doomed, it certainly can't be ignored entirely. This is a bad performance, joke voting or not. Regardless of whether people were calling for mid 80's (and this isn't mid 80's) this is NIDORAN F. It just worries me how well it did. --- Revenge is a dish best served by Z1mZum in the 2k6 Series Guru Contest. |
| Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 9/12/2006 3:32:37 PM | message detail |
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"Yeah. It's better to just think that people really don't have any taste." Garbage like Halo 2 and the EA games have been dominating the video game industry for years and you just now figured that out? --- Can't think of a good sig. |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/12/2006 3:34:01 PM | message detail |
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Up to this point, I have always voted for: Squall Leonhart Tidus Ryu Frog Vivi (and not even because I like him that much, just because of his opponents) Knuckles was on this list until last year when he faced Squall. Tidus will drop off that list this year. And despite my love for Kirby, he has an unfortunate tendency to face my favorite characters. He's already faced my #1, #2, and #5. #4 will come up this year should Luigi beat Zero. So I can already tell you what a small part of the bracket will look like next year: Solid Snake Kirby --- "...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow |
| Tequilla Gundam | Posted 9/12/2006 3:34:33 PM | message detail |
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lol @ calling EA + Halo garbage EA produced games and the Halo series are constantly rated high by critics and "casuals" alike. --- Scooped in a coupe, Snoop we got news/Your girl was trickin' while you was draped in your county blues I ain't been out a second/And already gotta do some mutha****in chin checkin |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 9/12/2006 3:36:25 PM | message detail |
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This is a bad performance, joke voting or not. Regardless of whether
people were calling for mid 80's (and this isn't mid 80's) this is
NIDORAN F. It just worries me how well it did. Nidoran F is currently below Laharl in strength according to the 2005 stats. It did not end up as a Neo-Tanner, but it isn't like Nidoran F ended up being worth something either. Samus's performance is not meeting expectations, but she's hardly doomed. The only chance she would ever have to lose is in the finals -- and that's on November 13th. The Wii should have been out for a while by the time that date rolls around and Metroid Prime 3 is a launch title. She's looking to receive a mid-contest boost, so it shouldn't be any problem. Not that she'll need it, this performance definitely isn't spelling her doom by any means. Nidoran F ends up being stronger than Sarah Kerrigan, Manny Calavera, and Yuri, most notably. --- ...a lone figure shining in the toxic shadows. She comes dressed for war, and her wrath is terrible. |
| The_Ocelot | Posted 9/12/2006 3:37:02 PM | message detail |
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I wouldn't say that all EA games are highly rated, only a certain few.
Most get good but not great reviews and some get bad reviews. --- sig your as this use backwards this read to enough dumb were you if |
| Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 9/12/2006 3:39:32 PM | message detail |
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"EA produced games and the Halo series are constantly rated high by critics and "casuals" alike." Exactly. The majority of the game industry is made up of casuals and run by the major companies who just keep recycling the same material for all of their games now. Can you name ten original and promising games coming out for the next gen consoles right now, if you had to? No handhelds. --- Can't think of a good sig. |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/12/2006 3:39:40 PM | message detail |
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I've played games that every character in this contest has appeared in. Is that sad? >_> --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/12/2006 3:44:57 PM | message detail |
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Hell, Samus could be just barely above Crono and Nidoran F would beat
Manny and Yuri (and depending on how much you want to adjust the Devil
Division, Kerrigan)...and, honestly, I'd take Nidoran over all three of
them. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| Haste_2 | Posted 9/12/2006 3:51:35 PM | message detail |
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You know, I hope Tingle ends up lower in the x-stats than Nidoran. Sora
will probably need over 75% (approx.) to have Nidoran F higher in the
x-stats. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| Phediuk | Posted 9/12/2006 3:53:34 PM | message detail |
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Not much is going on here, so... An activity from me! Here's the bracket from the Best. Series. Ever. contest, except this time, all of the series have been replaced with the most popular game of each series (in terms of general respect, not sales.) Predict. P.S. I realize some of these are debatable, but that's not the point. The point is that we're trying to see which series benefited the most from being considered within the context of a series. Triforce Division 1- The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 8- Civilization IV 4- Suikoden II 5- Mega Man X 3- Pokemon Gold/Silver 6- Star Ocean: Till the End of Time 2- Super Metroid 7- Kirby Super Star Snake Division 1- Metal Gear Solid 8- Soul Calibur 4- Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword 5- Silent Hill 2: Restless Dreams 3- Castlevania: Symphony of the Night 6- Halo 2 2- Kingdom Hearts II 7- Harvest Moon 64 Kuribo's Shoe Division 1- Super Mario Bros. 3 8- Madden NFL 07 (I won't pretend I know what I'm talking about with that one) 4- Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas 5- Warcraft III: Reign of Chaos 3- Sonic the Hedgehog 2 6- Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening 2- Super Smash Bros. Melee 7- Dragon Quest VIII: Journey of the Cursed King Moogle Division 1- Final Fantasy VII 8- Diablo II 4- Mega Man 2 5- Mario Kart DS 3- The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion 6- Super Street Fighter II Turbo 2- Resident Evil 4 7- Shadow Hearts: Covenant --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| FastFalcon05 | Posted 9/12/2006 3:57:31 PM | message detail |
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Nidoran F is currently below Laharl in strength according to the
2005 stats. It did not end up as a Neo-Tanner, but it isn't like
Nidoran F ended up being worth something either. Samus's performance is
not meeting expectations, but she's hardly doomed. The only chance she
would ever have to lose is in the finals -- and that's on November
13th. The Wii should have been out for a while by the time that date
rolls around and Metroid Prime 3 is a launch title. She's looking to
receive a mid-contest boost, so it shouldn't be any problem. Not that she'll need it, this performance definitely isn't spelling her doom by any means. Nidoran F ends up being stronger than Sarah Kerrigan, Manny Calavera, and Yuri, most notably. Hey, I"m on your side, anything supporting Samus, I"ll take. However, this is a bad performance; it doesn't matter if Nidoran F isn't worth much of something, because she wasn't supposed to be worth half of anything. All of those other characters are main characters, even if of poor selling games, and I"m just guessing there. I really don't think the...potential for Nidoran F to fail tremoundously should be ignored now just because it's doing well for itself. It was a random pokemon; you need an F to distinguish its gender; it isn't popular among the fanbase; it isn't in Super Smash Brothers. I'm glad Samus has MP3 and the WII, which should be enough, but I think it's justifiable (and yeah, just based off this one match) to start wondering if maybe staying with Crono instead of changing it at literally the last second would have been a better choice. --- Revenge is a dish best served by Z1mZum in the 2k6 Series Guru Contest. |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/12/2006 4:04:33 PM | message detail |
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Holy crap, the vote totals have been SOARING since school got out. At the 19:00 mark, this match has 93838 votes. To compare with other matches at the same time: Zelda/Civilization - 93261 Pokemon/Star Ocean - 93804 Metroid/Kirby - 90261 Fire Emblem/Silent Hill - 86822 Looks like we'll still end up with totals comparable to the Series Contest. They'll just lag until school gets out. --- "...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow |
| Janus5000 | Posted 9/12/2006 4:13:31 PM | message detail |
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You may as well put Twilight Princess down for LoZ's most popular. >.> Triforce Division 1- The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 5- Mega Man X 3- Pokemon Gold/Silver 2- Super Metroid Snake Division 1- Metal Gear Solid 4- Fire Emblem: The Blazing Sword 6- Halo 2 2- Kingdom Hearts II Kuribo's Shoe Division 1- Super Mario Bros. 3 4- Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas 6- Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening 2- Super Smash Bros. Melee Moogle Division 1- Final Fantasy VII 4- Mega Man 2 3- The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion 2- Resident Evil 4 Triforce Division 1- The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3- Pokemon Gold/Silver Snake Division 1- Metal Gear Solid 6- Halo 2 Kuribo's Shoe Division 1- Super Mario Bros. 3 2- Super Smash Bros. Melee Moogle Division 1- Final Fantasy VII 2- Resident Evil 4 1- The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 6- Halo 2 1- Super Mario Bros. 3 1- Final Fantasy VII FFVII > OoT once more. --- "Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." http://www.scorehero.com/scores.php?user=2916&diff=4 |
| Haste_2 | Posted 9/12/2006 4:17:17 PM | message detail |
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Servbot's 26% against Mario still looks crazier than today's result,
and Manny Calavera and Pitfall Harry had similar percentages to Nidoran
F despite being "joke" characters (of course, they did slightly worse).
So, in that sense, Nidoran F isn't doing anything terribly out of the
ordinary. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/12/2006 4:18:36 PM | message detail |
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Well, the difference between Nidoran F and the rest of those characters
listed is that she doesn't actually have any fans that I'm aware of.
She's basically a generic baddie, in my eyes. ...I'd take Servbot over Nidoran F. --- "...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 9/12/2006 4:19:06 PM | message detail |
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Hey, I"m on your side, anything supporting Samus, I"ll take.
However, this is a bad performance; it doesn't matter if Nidoran F
isn't worth much of something, because she wasn't supposed to be worth
half of anything. Simply because it wasn't supposed to be worth anything doesn't mean that it was going to end up that way. Expectations are not being met here, but that doesn't mean it was Samus who is failing to meet them. Nidoran F was being pegged as the next incarnation of Tanner, which was honestly about as hard as being the next Link. There is a hardcore Pokemon fanbase that seems to vote for anything from it based on anything. Pikachu was able to avoid being completely killed by Fox, Nidoran F isn't turning out to be the next Tanner against Samus. Still, Nidoran F isn't being made to be someone worth anything either. This overperformance is still pegging it as one of the weakest characters to enter a contest. but I think it's justifiable (and yeah, just based off this one match) to start wondering if maybe staying with Crono instead of changing it at literally the last second would have been a better choice. I don't think sticking with Crono is going to get you anything. Basing everything off of one match against a completely untested character is not the best thing to do. Samus has not fallen to Crono's level in one short year. She had one bad match against Mario and now you have people out after her head. There is still no doubt at all that Samus is a big favorite heading into the finals. She has everything necessary in her favor to win that match. There would be more cause for concern if she ended up not doing so well against Ada, not Nidoran F. Yes, it is a Pokemon that no one should honestly care about -- but look at how many people here voted fo her. The people who love Pokemon also voting for Nidoran F simply because it's one of only two Pokemon to ever get into a contest is a distinct possibility, I think. It would seem like they would vote for Pokemon against almost anything. And, again, this is still not making Nidoran F to be worth much; she's still very much absolute fodder. Would you really take Yuri or Manny Calavera or even Kerrigan over Nidoran F? --- ...a lone figure shining in the toxic shadows. She comes dressed for war, and her wrath is terrible. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/12/2006 4:21:05 PM | message detail |
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Servbot only looks as crazy as it does because it was the first contest
match ever, when joke voting and anti-voting (especially anti-voting Mario, the tournament favorite) was at an all-time high. That's not even remotely comparable to this. Pitfall Harry wasn't a joke character, he was entered in by Ceej on the basis of his history. Manny Calavera *was* a big creation of the board, but he still is the protagonist of his own, critically acclaimed game. And more importantly, those two do have similar percentages to Nidoran F...problem is, those two went out to Sonic and Snake. --- Commit it to memory. |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 9/12/2006 4:21:09 PM | message detail |
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Well, the difference between Nidoran F and the rest of those
characters listed is that she doesn't actually have any fans that I'm
aware of. She's basically a generic baddie, in my eyes. Perhaps not fans of just Nidoran F, but there is very likely a large group of Pokemon fans who are apparently willing to vote for it anyway. It's not like Nidoran F is above anyone notable anyway. --- ...a lone figure shining in the toxic shadows. She comes dressed for war, and her wrath is terrible. |
| Phediuk | Posted 9/12/2006 4:21:13 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/cb5/cb502.jpg --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| cyko | Posted 9/12/2006 4:22:34 PM | message detail |
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What's this? Only 70 or so posts in the stats topic in the workday
during contest season? I can deal with that... I refuse to play
catch-up with 2-3 topics a day anymore! i agree!! http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/cb5/cb502.jpg pic advantage = Aya!! thank goodness... --- i have officially been Z1mZum'D in the guru contest. Vincent Valentine to win the Blast Division!! |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 9/12/2006 4:23:10 PM | message detail |
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but he still is the protagonist of his own, critically acclaimed game. So is Jade in tomorrow's match...but then there's the whole "commercial failure" thing. --- ...a lone figure shining in the toxic shadows. She comes dressed for war, and her wrath is terrible. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/12/2006 4:25:35 PM | message detail |
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And I like the about-face HM's taken on Nidoran F. =P Y'know, as much of a possibility that Samus is indirectly stronger than Mario, it's just as much a possibility that she simply wasn't that strong in 2k4. After all, if we'd all take Mario over her in 2k4 and yet he's projected to lose 56-44...that *has* to imply either rSFF, Mario being underrated, or Samus being overrated. And while some may be Mario's fault, I don't see him losing a Crono match that he should have won by over 53% that year just because "people wanted Crono to get a win". --- Commit it to memory. |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/12/2006 4:25:40 PM | message detail |
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Theres not much of a pic advantage there. There both just doing funky poses. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/12/2006 4:26:58 PM | message detail |
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Yes, but Aya's funky pose shows cleavage. --- Commit it to memory. |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/12/2006 4:27:23 PM | message detail |
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She doesn't have much TJF cleavage to work with if you ask me, but I guess its better than nothin. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| Lopen | Posted 9/12/2006 4:27:54 PM | message detail |
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Ada damn it! What's wrong with you people? You're supposed to be informed! --- Squall: "Hi, like Cloud from the last game, I am full of angst and am named after weather." - Slow Beef |
| cyko | Posted 9/12/2006 4:28:02 PM | message detail |
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and of course, by Aya, i meant Ada. >_> although, Ada does pretty much look like a dark-haired version of Aya Brea. and i do think Ada does have a pic advantage because her face looks much prettier and a lot more like a female than Jade. --- i have officially been Z1mZum'D in the guru contest. Vincent Valentine to win the Blast Division!! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/12/2006 4:28:36 PM | message detail |
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I was just following the crowd. I know who Ada is. <_< --- Commit it to memory. |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/12/2006 4:29:43 PM | message detail |
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Aya? --- "...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/12/2006 4:30:41 PM | message detail |
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Whoa, I just realized that the little Tetris block things in the background are supposed to spell out the character's name! --- "...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 9/12/2006 4:31:13 PM | message detail |
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And I like the about-face HM's taken on Nidoran F. =P Damage control, baby. >> Y'know, as much of a possibility that Samus is indirectly stronger than Mario, it's just as much a possibility that she simply wasn't that strong in 2k4. After all, if we'd all take Mario over her in 2k4 and yet he's projected to lose 56-44...that *has* to imply either rSFF, Mario being underrated, or Samus being overrated. I'm not sure why she would be overrated in that year though. Her path and her opponents were pretty cut and dry and she did very well on each of them. Hell, she ended up putting 41% up on Cloud in that year...and it's hard to say anything against that. Mario gaining quite a bit in 2005 combined with SFF (or rSFf, whatever) should be enough to make that more reasonable. I just find it extremely odd that Samus would drop in that year when there was a Nintendo Boost and she had Metroid Prime 2. And there's almost no reason to suspect her being overrated that year other than her match with Mario. She had been rather impressive for all of 2005 until she ran into him. --- ...a lone figure shining in the toxic shadows. She comes dressed for war, and her wrath is terrible. |
| Tequilla Gundam | Posted 9/12/2006 4:31:41 PM | message detail |
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KH, you act as if Samus is leaps and bounds ahead of Sonic/Snake. Hell, there is mention of Megaman beating Samus. Personally, I thinking all of the Noble Nine sans Clinkeroth are in the same "power" tier. --- Scooped in a coupe, Snoop we got news/Your girl was trickin' while you was draped in your county blues I ain't been out a second/And already gotta do some mutha****in chin checkin |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 9/12/2006 4:32:32 PM | message detail |
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KH, you act as if Samus is leaps and bounds ahead of Sonic/Snake. Did we happen to miss what Samus did to Sonic in 2004? --- ...a lone figure shining in the toxic shadows. She comes dressed for war, and her wrath is terrible. |