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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 355

DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 9/5/2006 10:07:39 PM | message detail
Soooo, when/where do we post our guru dealy? I've never done this before...

Also, lol at Draco for saying you can play HL2 without knowing who Gordon is.

Guard friend guy: HEY GORDON
Doctor: Gordon Freeman?
Alyx: HEY GORDON
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/5/2006 11:32:53 PM | message detail
Well, there's no doubt in my mind Mario would SFF Yoshi. But, considering Mario beat Bowser with 71% he'd probably take out Yoshi with 75% based off Yoshi's loss against Bowser. Yet, the Mario Character PotD suggests Yoshi may not suffer as much SFF as Bowser did, as you'd think Mario would hit his limit at 73%. But, PotDs should be taken with a massive grain of salt...voters will be different in a contest match, and actual contest matches are probably different to the voters psychologically than a typical PotD.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/6/2006 3:42:06 AM | message detail
It does make you wonder though, is Yoshi AT LEAST equal to Yoshi? Stronger?
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Kaxon | Posted 9/6/2006 4:35:28 AM | message detail
Appeal also only gets you so far -- Tommy Vercetti is an appealing character from a HUGE game on a much bigger system, and he's still barely stronger than GF last year.

Appealing? He's an ugly guy in a hawaiian shirt! He may be a good character in the game, but his design is about as unappealing as you can get.

Just for the sake of mentioning it, when did rSFF become acceptable? Didn't it logically make zero sense at all some time ago? What would be the principle behind it?

Reverse SFF always made sense, some people just refused to accept that it's possible. But I think it gained acceptance just based on the fact that Samus was easily way ahead of Mario in 2004, but still would have lost a direct matchup.

Anyway, I think rSFF is plausible when there's either more than two major fanbases involved (as-in Kirby/Bowser, where the SMB, Kirby, and SSB series are involved) or when there's a new probably-big release that comes just in time for a particular match (say, Vincent/Crono when Vincent had FF:AC leak two days before his match alongside other factors I've mentioned before).

Actually, that would be an anomaly or a boost, not SFF. Unless you think Vincent wouldn't have gotten a boost against a different opponent.

rSFF just means that people who are fans of both characters like the less popular one in a greater proportion than voters as a whole. That's all.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/6/2006 5:40:48 AM | message detail
(Sonic gets that chance this year... still waiting on Snake).

What, didn't you see Snake face Bowser last year? He was the strongest non-Noble Niner last year.

I sure don't think Gordon Freeman will have close matches with Kefka, Tommy Vercetti, and Ryu Hayabusa.

I certainly don't think any of them would break 55% on him. There's no way they do as well as Leon Kennedy.

Fodder fluctuates. It's the reason why Laharl ranked above Vyse last year despite getting 60-40'd by him the year before.

Fodder fluctuation is blown way out of proportion. They are more consistent than people give them credit for. Note the reason for Laharl > Vyse was Tifa/Vyse, not because Vyse was inconsistent, especially considering he got almost exactly what he was expected to get on Cloud in 2004. Vyse still beats Laharl easily to this day.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/6/2006 5:50:32 AM | message detail
his streak of breaking 40% on all of his opponents will end when he faces Sora.

Wait and see. Half-Life has a more devoted following than you think. It's part of the reason why Gordon isn't quite as strong as he looks in 2005, because Leon is decently strong and Gordon just does what he does, lose with 40%+ here. I mentioned this before, but I'm starting to think that he's not stable, like Master Chief. PC gamers are ridiculously hardcore.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/6/2006 7:15:36 AM | message detail
Guard friend guy: HEY GORDON
Doctor: Gordon Freeman?
Alyx: HEY GORDON


HAAAAAY ARNOOOOOLD
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ExplicitAriel | Posted 9/6/2006 11:27:51 AM | message detail
Because, if Gordon's 2005 performance is legitimate, he gets an over 8% boost, which would be the biggest boost by any character in 2005, even moreso than the entire Nintendo voting pool shift.

Don't want to start this back up again, but feel like it needs to be pointed out that an 8% boost from Gordon's place in the stats is not a bigger boost than Mario's 6.5% from where he was in the stats, it's a lot easier to move around when you're that low to begin with. You act like an 8% boost is so crazy, but it's really not, the reason we don't see people boosting like that is because how often are the weaker characters featured in an absolutely massive game? Not often.

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HaRRicH | Posted 9/6/2006 11:42:51 AM | message detail
Yeah, for example, if a character like Phoenix Wright was in a huge hit like Half-Life 2, then he'd boost enough to be able to compete with the likes of Gordon.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/6/2006 1:02:27 PM | message detail
Er, I meant at least equal to Luigi.*
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ScorpionXtinct | Posted 9/6/2006 2:00:44 PM | message detail
for the Guru:

Samus Aran
Ada Wong
Rikku
Kairi

Tifa Lockhart
Celes Chere
Jill Valentine
Princess Peach

Zelda
Terra Branford
KOS-MOS
Aeris Gainsborough

Yuna
Joanna Dark
Chun Li
Lara Croft

Solid Snake
Squall Leonhart
Yoshi
Dante

Sora
Phoenix Wright
Ryu (Street Fighter)
MegaMan

Sonic the Hedgehog
Vincent Valentine
Kirby
Luigi

Crono
Bowser
Auron
Master Chief

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Samus Aran
Rikku

Tifa Lockhart
Princess Peach

Zelda
Aeris Gainsborough

Yuna
Chun Li

Solid Snake
Dante

Sora
MegaMan

Sonic the Hedgehog
Luigi

Crono
Auron

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Samus Aran
Tifa Lockhart
Zelda
Yuna

Solid Snake
MegaMan
Sonic the Hedgehog
Crono

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Samus Aran
Zelda

MegaMan
Crono

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Samus Aran
Crono

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Crono

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6th: Samus Aran
5th: Crono
4th: Sephiroth
3rd: Mario
2nd: Cloud
1st: Link

Tiebreak: 74251
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4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42 ... Would you push the button?
Karma Hunter | Posted 9/6/2006 2:01:27 PM | message detail
Why are people posting their guru brackets in here? o.O
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ExplicitAriel | Posted 9/6/2006 2:01:45 PM | message detail
God dammit... stop posting guru brackets in here.

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Haste_2 | Posted 9/6/2006 2:04:28 PM | message detail
I disagree with weaker characters being able to boost more arithmetic-wise...going from 15% to 20% on BL means a 33% increase in popularity, but going from 30% to 35% on BL means a 17% increase. A 17% increase would be easier to pull off, but I do agree that popular characters have a tougher time increasing, so it sort of cancels out.

I do agree that it is harder for strong characters to get more popular, generally, but I don't think the reason is so much that they are popular as that they are well established. Someone like Mega Man is so popular because he's well-established. Of course, there are exceptions...Cloud and Sephiroth, most notably. Obviously a new game would help Gordon Freeman more than Mega Man, as Gordon's only been in one game. Plus, we'd all agree that a new game featuring Crono prominantly will help him more than most of the other powerhouses. For some reason I can't see it that way for Cloud, mainly because this site favors FF7 so heavily in the first place.

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AmazingKirby | Posted 9/6/2006 2:08:00 PM | message detail
Oh, I don't know, maybe if people didn't have to SIGN UP for the Guru contest in here, they wouldn't post their brackets here. And people act like the brackets are so much more annoying than the signups in the stats topics. Pfft.

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Haste_2 | Posted 9/6/2006 2:09:45 PM | message detail
And, of course, another reason a weak character could boost so much is that a character might be weak because either its game or its role wasn't so hot...so, a good game or role would work WONDERS.

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Haste_2 | Posted 9/6/2006 2:13:24 PM | message detail
Excuse me for my ignorance, but where DO we submit our guru brackets? The start of the contest is on the horizen, so we'd better submit our picks soon.

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red sox 777 | Posted 9/6/2006 2:14:54 PM | message detail
After brackets close usually in a topic Ulti or Ngamer or someone will make.
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ExplicitAriel | Posted 9/6/2006 2:39:38 PM | message detail
Oh, I don't know, maybe if people didn't have to SIGN UP for the Guru contest in here, they wouldn't post their brackets here. And people act like the brackets are so much more annoying than the signups in the stats topics. Pfft.

Well I agree that the Sign Ups taking place in here are just stupid, it's not like you can say you're trying to limit it to stats-goers, because everyone knows about it. Most of the people on that list probably haven't posted in here 20 times... but that doesn't make scrolling past brackets any less annoying.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 9/6/2006 3:33:35 PM | message detail
GURUS!!

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Team Rocket Elite
3 - Ngamer64
4 - ChichiriMuyo
5 - Explicit Hairy Balls
6 - transience
7 - Master Moltar
8 - Mac Arrowny
9 - dethfdddddh
10 - Draco1214
11 - arkenaga
12 - Yoshifan823
13 - MasterofHunters
14 - Z1mZum
15 - Shivan Reincarnated
16 - MegatokyoEd
17 - DomaDragoon
18 - Janus5000
19 - Applekidjosh
20 - BlAcK TuRtLe
21 - bobeta
22 - greatone
23 - NewLib
24 - Big Bob
25 - HaRRicH
26 - meche313
27 - MarioSuperstar
28 - RockMFR 5
29 - cavalier lowen
30 - Bobby200614
31 - junglebob22
32 - Heroic Mario
33 - yoblazer33
34 - trizob the hedgehog
35 - Aprosenf
36 - MoogleKupo141
37 - voltch
38 - XxSoulxX, yo
39 - Lieutenant Kettch
40 - A worlds envy
41 - Osfan
42 - ff6man
43 - rpgapzx
44 - Viviff
45 - expaniol
46 - Red Sox 777
47 - ps2rulezzz
48 - cyko
49 - jonthomson
50 - jeevesthemole
51 - Luis_Sera89
52 - Phediuk
53 - FFDragon
54 - Vile Requiem
55 - charmander6000
56 - Radix
57 - Tediz247
58 - Brett with Atreyu
59 - Yesmar
60 - shadow8021
61 - Jman_gamerX8
62 - Snip Snip Now
63 - Tirofog
64 - LuniNutz99
65 - Zylo the wolf
66 - Kaxon
67 - KingBartz
68 - longbladeofhiko
69 - Dekar TKB
70 - spikevegeta
71 - Azp2k32
72 - Ori
73 - CountCrazy007
74 - Lopen
75 - Chinballz
76 - Soniclink15
77 - ccbfan
78 - Fett0001
79 - Dark115
80 - Dilated Chemist
81 - Steve Illumina
82 - outsider920
83 - ExThaNemesis
84 - HeroicGammaRay
85 - RPGuy96
86 - Pathetique
87 - SonicRaptor
88 - swirldude
89 - TheRye
90 - Steinershocker
91 - XIII is sexy
92 - Smurf
93 - freac
94 - Redtooth
95 - FastFalcon05
96 - Rufus Shinra 18
97 - _Harmonica_
98 - Nintendo Wiii
99 - Tjian
100 - Sephirot1
101 - plasmabeam
102 - SephirothG
103 - Tai
104 - WHAT THE CRUNK ED BELLIS
105 - King Morgoth
106 - dragoontheguy
107 - outback
108 - Dunkeroo23
109 - canadiancatcher
110 - stingers135
111 - Tidus My Boy
112 - Guess how many Teens
113 - Prometheus321
114 - BeTheMan
115 - Haste2
116 - Read_Only_Thx
117 - KleenexTissue50
118 - daverath
119 - Mithrandir1331
120 - ScorpionX3
121 - perdevious
122 - ExquisiteSamurai
123 - Buzzup
124 - Jmast7
125 - GrapefruitKing
126 - cavedog0/ThatsRidiculous
127 - andaca
128 - Sess
129 - Giggsalot
130 - Consolefreak
131 - Tsunami70
132 - Xuxon
133 - MasterMage119
134 - ObscureMammoth
135 - Brett with Atreyu
136 - MarkSmith
137 - ChidoriNoJutsu
138 - ZoneOftheEnders
139 - Cokes
140 - DaruniaTheGoron
141 - MoogleKupo141 Again
142 - RPGGamer0
143 - Mister Mario
144 - Ringworm
145 - Sir Chris
146 - AlecTrevelyan006
147 - WiggumFan267
148 - th3l3fty
149 - Ayvuir
150 - Pats D
151 - _Lagoona_
152 - KrahenProphet
153 - chocoboslayer
154 - hacknslash001
155 - raytan7585
156 - MetaRidleyX
157 - The Raven 2
158 - LinkLegend27
159 - capatillistpiglet
160 - Tequilla Gundam

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/6/2006 3:34:51 PM | message detail
I disagree with weaker characters being able to boost more arithmetic-wise...going from 15% to 20% on BL means a 33% increase in popularity, but going from 30% to 35% on BL means a 17% increase. A 17% increase would be easier to pull off, but I do agree that popular characters have a tougher time increasing, so it sort of cancels out.

There's a problem with that. Do it the reverse way, say with Link starting at 96.5% on BT (Base Tanner) and Ms. Pac-Man starting at 71.48%. Arithmetically, it's a smaller boost for Link to get to 100% than it is for Ms. Pac-Man to get to 75%, but Ms. Pac-Man would require a much smaller boost to accomplish such a thing.

And, of course, another reason a weak character could boost so much is that a character might be weak because either its game or its role wasn't so hot...so, a good game or role would work WONDERS.

Exactly. But you also have to take into account that game's popularity on GameFAQs, which can be quite different from the real world. Just a console gaining strength here can make a difference, and sequels can make much more of a difference if their console becomes popular in the interim.
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/6/2006 3:41:36 PM | message detail
I think you've misunderstood me. Obviously it wouldn't work when trying to applying winning percentages, as x-stats-related stuff -only- works when applying losing percentages.

Indeed, if Link went from 96.5% up to 99% on Tanner that would mean Link is about 350% on BL (heh), or 7 times Link's popularity. Ms. Pac-Man would barely increase at all.

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creativename | Posted 9/6/2006 5:17:59 PM | message detail
I agree with those who say we should get this guru crap the hell out of these topics.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/6/2006 5:19:58 PM | message detail
I agree with those who say we should get this guru crap the hell out of these topics.

Indeed.

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"Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120."
therealmnm | Posted 9/6/2006 5:26:51 PM | message detail
Ditto.
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/6/2006 5:36:14 PM | message detail
Then the guru would be the bop that keep tracks of each user's bracket and have a sig bet.
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/6/2006 5:37:20 PM | message detail
*has a sig bet.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/6/2006 5:37:34 PM | message detail
I'm not too certain if anyone has noticed, but the DS ownership over the past year has increased rather dramatically. Before the 2005 Character Battle, DS ownership was at 32.05%. Before the 2006 Character Battle, DS ownership is sitting nice at 55.01%.

Nintendo Boost Redux -- Ganon > Vincent confirmed!!

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"Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120."
red sox 777 | Posted 9/6/2006 5:38:48 PM | message detail
PS2 > GC > DS still!
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OmegaRagnarok | Posted 9/6/2006 5:38:50 PM | message detail
1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Team Rocket Elite
3 - Ngamer64
4 - ChichiriMuyo
5 - Explicit Hairy Balls
6 - transience
7 - Master Moltar
8 - Mac Arrowny
9 - dethfdddddh
10 - Draco1214
11 - arkenaga
12 - Yoshifan823
13 - MasterofHunters
14 - Z1mZum
15 - Shivan Reincarnated
16 - MegatokyoEd
17 - DomaDragoon
18 - Janus5000
19 - Applekidjosh
20 - BlAcK TuRtLe
21 - bobeta
22 - greatone
23 - NewLib
24 - Big Bob
25 - HaRRicH
26 - meche313
27 - MarioSuperstar
28 - RockMFR 5
29 - cavalier lowen
30 - Bobby200614
31 - junglebob22
32 - Heroic Mario
33 - yoblazer33
34 - trizob the hedgehog
35 - Aprosenf
36 - MoogleKupo141
37 - voltch
38 - XxSoulxX, yo
39 - Lieutenant Kettch
40 - A worlds envy
41 - Osfan
42 - ff6man
43 - rpgapzx
44 - Viviff
45 - expaniol
46 - Red Sox 777
47 - ps2rulezzz
48 - cyko
49 - jonthomson
50 - jeevesthemole
51 - Luis_Sera89
52 - Phediuk
53 - FFDragon
54 - Vile Requiem
55 - charmander6000
56 - Radix
57 - Tediz247
58 - Brett with Atreyu
59 - Yesmar
60 - shadow8021
61 - Jman_gamerX8
62 - Snip Snip Now
63 - Tirofog
64 - LuniNutz99
65 - Zylo the wolf
66 - Kaxon
67 - KingBartz
68 - longbladeofhiko
69 - Dekar TKB
70 - spikevegeta
71 - Azp2k32
72 - Ori
73 - CountCrazy007
74 - Lopen
75 - Chinballz
76 - Soniclink15
77 - ccbfan
78 - Fett0001
79 - Dark115
80 - Dilated Chemist
81 - Steve Illumina
82 - outsider920
83 - ExThaNemesis
84 - HeroicGammaRay
85 - RPGuy96
86 - Pathetique
87 - SonicRaptor
88 - swirldude
89 - TheRye
90 - Steinershocker
91 - XIII is sexy
92 - Smurf
93 - freac
94 - Redtooth
95 - FastFalcon05
96 - Rufus Shinra 18
97 - _Harmonica_
98 - Nintendo Wiii
99 - Tjian
100 - Sephirot1
101 - plasmabeam
102 - SephirothG
103 - Tai
104 - WHAT THE CRUNK ED BELLIS
105 - King Morgoth
106 - dragoontheguy
107 - outback
108 - Dunkeroo23
109 - canadiancatcher
110 - stingers135
111 - Tidus My Boy
112 - Guess how many Teens
113 - Prometheus321
114 - BeTheMan
115 - Haste2
116 - Read_Only_Thx
117 - KleenexTissue50
118 - daverath
119 - Mithrandir1331
120 - ScorpionX3
121 - perdevious
122 - ExquisiteSamurai
123 - Buzzup
124 - Jmast7
125 - GrapefruitKing
126 - cavedog0/ThatsRidiculous
127 - andaca
128 - Sess
129 - Giggsalot
130 - Consolefreak
131 - Tsunami70
132 - Xuxon
133 - MasterMage119
134 - ObscureMammoth
135 - Brett with Atreyu
136 - MarkSmith
137 - ChidoriNoJutsu
138 - ZoneOftheEnders
139 - Cokes
140 - DaruniaTheGoron
141 - MoogleKupo141 Again
142 - RPGGamer0
143 - Mister Mario
144 - Ringworm
145 - Sir Chris
146 - AlecTrevelyan006
147 - WiggumFan267
148 - th3l3fty
149 - Ayvuir
150 - Pats D
151 - _Lagoona_
152 - KrahenProphet
153 - chocoboslayer
154 - hacknslash001
155 - raytan7585
156 - MetaRidleyX
157 - The Raven 2
158 - LinkLegend27
159 - capatillistpiglet
160 - Tequilla Gundam
161 - OmegaRagnarok

omegamega rounds out the guru list :P

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AUGHazoid | Posted 9/6/2006 5:40:00 PM | message detail
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Phediuk | Posted 9/6/2006 5:43:55 PM | message detail
All the people predicting Phoenix>Gordon are hilarious. Even before HL2 I'd have picked Freeman over Wright.
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/6/2006 6:04:48 PM | message detail
Zero vs. Kirby...x-stats magic:

Zero 2K5 vs. Kirby 2K5 - Kirby with 54.14%
Zero 2K5 vs. Kirby-from-Tidus-2K4 - Kirby with 50.03%
Zero 2K4 vs. Kirby-from-Tidus-2K4 - Zero with 52.72%
Zero 2K4 vs. Kirby 2K5 - Kirby with 51.47%

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Redtooth | Posted 9/6/2006 6:10:30 PM | message detail
Most of the people on that list probably haven't posted in here 20 times...

*waves*

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Big Bob | Posted 9/6/2006 6:13:10 PM | message detail
It's not that we don't think Gordon has the advantage, we just can't bring ourselves to pick him.
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wavedash101 | Posted 9/6/2006 6:14:57 PM | message detail
Plus Case 4>Half-Life and Half-Life 2 combined.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/6/2006 6:15:14 PM | message detail
You forgot the strongest Zero of 03!
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VectorAgent | Posted 9/6/2006 6:24:16 PM | message detail
What is Riku projected to get on Yoshi?
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HaRRicH | Posted 9/6/2006 6:29:08 PM | message detail
Using Frog-2k4 (since Frog's behind Mario/Samus) and Yoshi 2k5, Yoshi gets 39.59% on a pre-KH2 Riku.
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It still hurts to be rear-ended like that.....
Draco1214 | Posted 9/6/2006 6:32:11 PM | message detail
What about Frog through VC Liquid?
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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 9/6/2006 6:53:06 PM | message detail
I'm not too certain if anyone has noticed, but the DS ownership over the past year has increased rather dramatically. Before the 2005 Character Battle, DS ownership was at 32.05%. Before the 2006 Character Battle, DS ownership is sitting nice at 55.01%.

Increased DS ownsership gives a bigger boost to Mario characters than Zelda characters though (SM64+NSMB>nothing for Zelda), but Ganon should still get some boost.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 9/6/2006 6:54:50 PM | message detail
Phoenix/Gordon is only debateable to me because of the people that have beat him in the past. Tina Armstrong, Max Payne, whoever that other guy was, they're all bottom of the barrel fodder that have absolutely no following on this site. Every time my brain tries to point out Gordon/Leon, the voice in my head screams out "WHO THE **** IS TINA AMRSTRONG!?!?!?"


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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/6/2006 7:17:51 PM | message detail
I'd consider Kirby > Zero, but he still could be potentially SFF'd... but he didn't get any from Mega Man himself.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/6/2006 8:10:00 PM | message detail
I'd consider Kirby > Zero, but he still could be potentially SFF'd... but he didn't get any from Mega Man himself.

2k4 was Zero's strongest year. We just didn't see it because of the hardcore SFF that Mega Man got on him.
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KingBartz | Posted 9/6/2006 8:14:09 PM | message detail
Am I the only one who thinks Zero won't make it past the first round this year...
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therealmnm | Posted 9/6/2006 8:14:18 PM | message detail
Increased DS ownsership gives a bigger boost to Mario characters than Zelda characters though (SM64+NSMB>nothing for Zelda), but Ganon should still get some boost.

Like those Mario fans won't be Zelda fans? Come on now, unless they are absolutely new to gaming with the DS, most Nintendo fans are going to be Mario and Zelda fans. If the DS brings Nintendo fans through a Mario game, they are most likely going to bring Zelda fans to. It's not hand and hand of course, but with two series as big as Mario and Zelda, there is plenty of overlap.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/6/2006 8:18:36 PM | message detail
Increased DS ownsership gives a bigger boost to Mario characters than Zelda characters though (SM64+NSMB>nothing for Zelda), but Ganon should still get some boost.

I would expect actual games on those systems to help out the characters more, but as a result of more Nintendo fans coming here, or more DS owners, should help a number of the characters. Zelda may not have anything yet on the DS, but it'll still help out.

If there is another Nintendo Boost, I expect it to be on a smaller scale than before -- but anything is better than nothing. It's nice to see how large of a jump the DS ownership has taken though; anyone curious as to why there would be any remaining Nintendo Boost, that would be the answer. The two big Nintendo releases over the past year were the DS Lite and NSMB. On top of that, there's that amazing E3 showing and something projected to be just as big on the 14th.

Huzzah.

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Jmast7 | Posted 9/6/2006 8:31:45 PM | message detail
Is there a guru topic made yet where we post our picks?
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KingBartz | Posted 9/6/2006 8:34:28 PM | message detail
Guru topic will be up this weekend prolly.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/6/2006 8:39:54 PM | message detail
Am I the only one who thinks Zero won't make it past the first round this year...

Yep. The rest of the stats topic realizes that Luigi is fodder of the worst sort.

The two big Nintendo releases over the past year were the DS Lite and NSMB.

Not to mention Mario Kart DS and Mario & Luigi: Partners and Time, which should be even better for the Mario crew.
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