GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 355
| Draco1214 | Posted 9/5/2006 8:15:49 PM | message detail |
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Why would Phoenix Wright be any more popular than the King of All
Cosmos other than the fact that his name is also the name of his game? I'd wager that Phoenix Wright would be stronger than the King. Phoenix is the main character and the figurehead of a fad that spreads beyond GameFAQs (seriously, that Objection site gets 80k views a day. Look at the FAQ for it). Not to mention (as mnm mentioned) Phoenix is also the namesake of his game. My guess is that the average voter here has at least heard of Phoenix's game which may be enough to get votes over someone like Gordon Freeman. And why would Gordon's performance against Leon not be legitimate? Because, if Gordon's 2005 performance is legitimate, he gets an over 8% boost, which would be the biggest boost by any character in 2005, even moreso than the entire Nintendo voting pool shift. Also, Gordon's role in HL2 is no different than his first role. He's still the same guy you never see and who most players probably don't know or care about. --- Character Battle V Score - 0/0 points Current Prediction - Samus Aran vs. Nidoran F |
| therealmnm | Posted 9/5/2006 8:28:39 PM | message detail |
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Would you have heard of Phoenix Wright if it hadn't been for the GameFAQS message boards? Yes. I knew about the game before it even hit fad status on the board. As I said, him being the name of his game is a big part of that. Anyone who followed what games were coming out for the DS knows at least what Phoenix Wright is. It's not like there were a ton of games already out for the DS during that first year. It's not the same with Half-Life. You could know what Half-Life is, even play it and still not know who Gordon Freeman is. His name isn't his game. Phoenix Wright's is. I'm not saying it gives Phoenix Wright THE advantage, but it's an advantage that he has over Gordon Freeman. --- Vote for Carmen Sandiego in SC2k6 Currently playing: NOTHING! lol real-world work |
| Big Bob | Posted 9/5/2006 8:31:17 PM | message detail |
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Didn't I once hear that when Gordon was losing to Tina someone went to
the Half-Life forums to rally and somebody responded "Who's Gordon
Freeman"? --- If the universe implodes, this space belongs to NClark128. If the law wins, I win! September 22nd! Amy Rose > KOS-MOS |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/5/2006 8:33:46 PM | message detail |
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I bring it up again -- in order for PW to win, the Objection fad has to
be noticably bigger than the AYB fad. Based off of PW's game alone,
he'll be lucky to match Ratchet. It sold horribly -- HM, numbers please
-- and in just the DS-GotY poll last year it got, what, under 6%? PW
had to be liked SSSOOO much more for outside of his game than for his
game, so much more that it's ridiculous. Then, again, Gordon should be
stronger than last year due to a HL2-port to the Xbox (and I think
something else?). I stand by my sig-bet with Harmonica, that Gordon breaks 60% on PW. The universe will implode to a HUGE dismay, but it shall implode. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 9/5/2006 8:35:24 PM | message detail |
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It sold horribly -- HM, numbers please ~30,000 the last I checked. --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| MegatokyoEd | Posted 9/5/2006 8:35:40 PM | message detail |
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You cannot play through HL2 and not know who Gordon Freeman is. People
call him by his name about every 10 minutes. He might still just be
that guy but that got his name out more for sure. --- Demyx > Axel Z1mZum owned me in the Guru Contest with his mad skills! |
| Draco1214 | Posted 9/5/2006 8:37:24 PM | message detail |
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Again, sales and PotD performances don't matter in a match like this.
In a match like this it's all about appeal, something which Gordon
Freeman greatly lacks. Hell, it was the reason Gordon got destroyed by
Tina Armstrong. --- Character Battle V Score - 0/0 points Current Prediction - Samus Aran vs. Nidoran F |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/5/2006 8:41:16 PM | message detail |
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Appeal also only gets you so far -- Tommy Vercetti is an appealing
character from a HUGE game on a much bigger system, and he's still
barely stronger than GF last year. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| Big Bob | Posted 9/5/2006 8:41:52 PM | message detail |
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His game may have sold bad, but that was because it was released in
limited numbers. Capcom had to reship the game a few times. I heard one
shipment sold out in a week. --- If the universe implodes, this space belongs to NClark128. If the law wins, I win! September 22nd! Amy Rose > KOS-MOS |
| Draco1214 | Posted 9/5/2006 8:43:11 PM | message detail |
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Again, I don't believe Gordon's 2005 value legitimate. I sure as hell
don't think Gordon Freeman will have close matches with Kefka, Tommy
Vercetti, and Ryu Hayabusa. --- Character Battle V Score - 0/0 points Current Prediction - Samus Aran vs. Nidoran F |
| Phediuk | Posted 9/5/2006 8:44:22 PM | message detail |
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You cannot play through HL2 and not know who Gordon Freeman is.
People call him by his name about every 10 minutes. He might still just
be that guy but that got his name out more for sure. Good thing to know. I had beaten HL1 twice before 2k2, yet I still had to look up who Freeman was. --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| Yesmar | Posted 9/5/2006 8:45:23 PM | message detail |
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Because, if Gordon's 2005 performance is legitimate, he gets an over
8% boost, which would be the biggest boost by any character in 2005,
even moreso than the entire Nintendo voting pool shift. Gordon has every reason to have a gigantic popularity increase. Half-Life 2 was his first role in a game in 6 years. It's quite possible that the hype alone for the game gave him almost a bigger boost in 2003. --- Z1mZum totally owned me in the July 2006 Guru Contest The Funky Chickens in Trivia XVIII |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/5/2006 8:46:58 PM | message detail |
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It's still sold badly, no matter how many shipments they made. There
may be high demand -- a point I'll give up -- but the demand is
probably more there because of the fad than the actual game (I would
have disagreed with this nearly a year ago though). Again, you're
counting on a fad to let PW ride to victory. God, this feels like Vincent/Kerrigan again, with a much weaker ratio..... --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| Draco1214 | Posted 9/5/2006 8:47:10 PM | message detail |
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It's quite possible that the hype alone for the game gave him almost a bigger boost in 2003. A possibility, but one that I wouldn't agree with. Fodder fluctuates. It's the reason why Laharl ranked above Vyse last year despite getting 60-40'd by him the year before. --- Character Battle V Score - 0/0 points Current Prediction - Samus Aran vs. Nidoran F |
| AmazingKirby | Posted 9/5/2006 8:48:14 PM | message detail |
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OH LORD DRACO PLEASE STOP. --- caps |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/5/2006 8:49:16 PM | message detail |
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Fodder flucuates thanks to intangibles that don't matter against
opponents out of their league. Gordon has most of all the important
intangibles against PW. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/5/2006 8:50:14 PM | message detail |
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Can someone tell me 'intangibles'? >_> --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them.” - Vivi0198 |
| FastFalcon05 | Posted 9/5/2006 8:50:19 PM | message detail |
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You know what I just realized? In the female portion of the bracket
it's possible for every single higher seed to win. That rather disturbs
me. But, if the higher seed wins in all those matches think how hard they'll fall once we hit Riku/Yoshi! I hope. I'm still slightly worried Riku comes and upsets poor Yoshi. Probably not, but, I dunno, it does frighten me some. --- Revenge is a dish best served by Z1mZum in the 2k6 Series Guru Contest. |
| Draco1214 | Posted 9/5/2006 8:51:32 PM | message detail |
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The only big intangible Gordon has in his corner is that he is from a
much bigger game, something that's never worked for him in the past. --- Character Battle V Score - 0/0 points Current Prediction - Samus Aran vs. Nidoran F |
| cyko | Posted 9/5/2006 8:52:08 PM | message detail |
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i have to admit that up until today, i really didn't even know that
there was an Objection!! fad. i've been taking all of my thoughts about
this match into consideration without figuring any fads into the
equation. Phoenix Wright really is an honest - to - goodness great
(albeit unique and strange) game and Phoenix really is a very likable
funny character. i assure you that the appeal and demand of his game has NOTHING to do with any fads. --- i have officially been Z1mZum'D in the guru contest. Vincent Valentine to win the Blast Division!! |
| AmazingKirby | Posted 9/5/2006 8:53:41 PM | message detail |
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Dead or Alive, Max Payne, Splinter Cell, and Resident Evil are all far bigger games than Phoenix Wright. --- caps |
| Draco1214 | Posted 9/5/2006 8:55:04 PM | message detail |
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With the exception of Resident Evil, none of those series have a following on GameFAQs. --- Character Battle V Score - 0/0 points Current Prediction - Samus Aran vs. Nidoran F |
| AmazingKirby | Posted 9/5/2006 8:56:21 PM | message detail |
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... I hope this is all a big joke, because if it is, it's a very good one. --- caps |
| Master Moltar | Posted 9/5/2006 8:56:25 PM | message detail |
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I'm still slightly worried Riku comes and upsets poor Yoshi. ALL the KH characters are overseeded. Only Sora will make it out of Round 1. i have to admit that up until today, i really didn't even know that there was an Objection!! fad. Do...do you browse the Internet with your eyes closed or something? --- Moltar Status: Bracket filled and ready to go. 2006 is the year of Samus Aran |
| cyko | Posted 9/5/2006 8:57:59 PM | message detail |
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like i said, i think i'm starting to lean towards Gordon because i just
can't ignore his performance last year. all the reasons for him to
significantly boost make sense. but, i still don't think that he will
mercilessly pound Phoenix, either. Phoenix has the potential to be just
above the level of fodder. unfortunately for us Phoenix Wright fans, it
seems that Half-Life 2 boosted Gordon Freeman a fair amount over the
level of fodder. --- i have officially been Z1mZum'D in the guru contest. Vincent Valentine to win the Blast Division!! |
| Janus5000 | Posted 9/5/2006 8:58:17 PM | message detail |
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If he hadn't been in the contests, I'm not sure I'd know Max Payne even existed. Granted, I could say the same thing about this board and Phoenix Wright. --- "Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." http://www.scorehero.com/scores.php?user=2916&diff=4 |
| cyko | Posted 9/5/2006 9:01:20 PM | message detail |
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Do...do you browse the Internet with your eyes closed or something? *shrugs* i've seen the ASCII since the game came out and seen people post OBJECTION!!! on GameFAQS. but, i had no idea that there was a website that would randomly generate objections until..... well..... maybe not today. i guess i first learned of it's existence soon after the bracket was first posted. --- i have officially been Z1mZum'D in the guru contest. Vincent Valentine to win the Blast Division!! |
| FastFalcon05 | Posted 9/5/2006 9:05:51 PM | message detail |
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ALL the KH characters are overseeded. Only Sora will make it out of Round 1. I definitely agree they're overseeded, but, despite the series contest (and I admit that's not an easy despite to ignore) characters are a whole new ballgame. Kingdom Hearts characters have a good bit in their favor; it wouldn't overwhelmingly shock me to see KH responsible for many dead brackets...and not just casual ones. --- Revenge is a dish best served by Z1mZum in the 2k6 Series Guru Contest. |
| Draco1214 | Posted 9/5/2006 9:08:00 PM | message detail |
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Also, I find it funny and ironic that if Gordon beats Phoenix, getting
his first (and potentially only) win, his streak of breaking 40% on all
of his opponents will end when he faces Sora. --- Character Battle V Score - 0/0 points Current Prediction - Samus Aran vs. Nidoran F |
| MegatokyoEd | Posted 9/5/2006 9:09:54 PM | message detail |
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Gordon Freeman will get 40% on Sora somehow. He's Gordon Freeman, he will find a way. --- Demyx > Axel Z1mZum owned me in the Guru Contest with his mad skills! |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 9/5/2006 9:19:39 PM | message detail |
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What's this nonsense about Sora getting out of round 1? He's losing to Tingle, folks! --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| Yesmar | Posted 9/5/2006 9:23:51 PM | message detail |
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i assure you that the appeal and demand of his game has NOTHING to do with any fads. His appeal and demand might not come from fads, but his popularity does, which is what will matter most in the Character Contest. --- Z1mZum totally owned me in the July 2006 Guru Contest The Funky Chickens in Trivia XVIII |
| FastFalcon05 | Posted 9/5/2006 9:26:28 PM | message detail |
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This probably won't become a factor in this contest, but just to
discuss something new, what effect will the Wii's retro library have on
future contests? Yes, emulation has been available for a long time, but
let's put that aside and pretend that some popular titles sell fairly
well on the Wii. Could old characters make a comeback? and in other news, could the coming gba ffvi remake make the ffvi crew respectable for next contest? --- Revenge is a dish best served by Z1mZum in the 2k6 Series Guru Contest. |
| Lopen | Posted 9/5/2006 9:29:32 PM | message detail |
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Alright, enough Gordon Phoenix talk! I have a feeling that Riku/Yoshi might surprise in this one. Okay, it makes sense that Yoshi would be around where he is in the X-Stats right now, but is it necessarily true? We haven't gotten a Solid read on Yoshi... maybe ever. Every match he has is either against some fodder that doesn't matter or a SFF match. Every one of em. Yes, it makes sense that he'd be around the same level as Luigi, considering he beat him in 2004, but is it certain? I'm not so sure about that. Not to say where Riku lies isn't debatable either... being behind Samus. But, say Yoshi doesn't deserve to be that high in the X-Stats? Maybe Yoshi dropped? Heck maybe Yoshi isn't even ever that strong and he just rSFFed everyone? Maybe Mega Man/Yoshi wasn't even a proof of Mega Man/Nintendo SFF, but rather Mega Man exposing Yoshi in his only non-SFF match ever? Sounds crazy, but Yoshi's never had a normal match. I think Riku could upset him. --- Squall: "Hi, like Cloud from the last game, I am full of angst and am named after weather." - Slow Beef |
| Lopen | Posted 9/5/2006 9:30:50 PM | message detail |
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Oh... and... *obligatory "MASSIVE KH2 boost" mentions here* --- Squall: "Hi, like Cloud from the last game, I am full of angst and am named after weather." - Slow Beef |
| Draco1214 | Posted 9/5/2006 9:31:11 PM | message detail |
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Riku will perform respectably, but I doubt he'll win. Unless KH2 works miracles for him. --- Character Battle V Score - 0/0 points Current Prediction - Samus Aran vs. Nidoran F |
| FastFalcon05 | Posted 9/5/2006 9:33:28 PM | message detail |
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Heck maybe Yoshi isn't even ever that strong and he just rSFFed everyone? Just for the sake of mentioning it, when did rSFF become acceptable? Didn't it logically make zero sense at all some time ago? What would be the principle behind it? --- Revenge is a dish best served by Z1mZum in the 2k6 Series Guru Contest. |
| Big Bob | Posted 9/5/2006 9:44:47 PM | message detail |
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Yoshi (2005c raw) VS Mario (2005c) Yoshi has a strength of 24.76. Mario has a strength of 43.20. Mario wins with 71.34% of the vote! A win of 40,720 with 95,396 total votes cast. -standard Xstats disclaimer- Comparing that to the favorite Mario characters poll, if everybody who didn't vote Mario or Yoshi in that poll would have voted for Mario in a direct poll, then Yoshi would be where he's at. It's clear that Bowser and Mario share more of a fanbase than Bowser and Yoshi do, and the joke vote for the weaklings could go either way. So maybe that match WAS legitimate. Lemme put it this way: if Mario can't SFF Yoshi, how come Mega Man can? --- If the universe implodes, this space belongs to NClark128. If the law wins, I win! September 22nd! Amy Rose > KOS-MOS |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/5/2006 9:45:24 PM | message detail |
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Phoenix has the potential to be just above the level of fodder. No, no he doesn't. He has the potential to be just above the level of Nidoran F. Oh... and... *obligatory "MASSIVE KH2 boost" mentions here* Why would Riku get a massive KH2 boost? His role in that game is far smaller than his role in KH1 and especially CoM... --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/5/2006 9:46:26 PM | message detail |
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Lemme put it this way: if Mario can't SFF Yoshi, how come Mega Man can? Uh...why would you say that Mario can't SFF Yoshi? --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| AmazingKirby | Posted 9/5/2006 9:47:31 PM | message detail |
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Because KH2 is bigger, better, and awesomer. --- caps |
| Big Bob | Posted 9/5/2006 9:50:58 PM | message detail |
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For reference, here is the poll: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2328 Mario and Yoshi were the two strongest forces on that poll, with Yoshi in a sizeable lead. In a direct matchup, it's guaranteed that Yoshi's bare minimum is 27.1 against Mario, which is barely under what unadjusted Yoshi got against him in the Xstats I posted. --- If the universe implodes, this space belongs to NClark128. If the law wins, I win! September 22nd! Amy Rose > KOS-MOS |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/5/2006 9:52:02 PM | message detail |
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Because KH2 is bigger, better, and awesomer. Yes, it is. And Riku looks much worse in comparison. Riku changes from being the only good character in KH1 to being playable in CoM to being lost in the crowd in KH2. Yay him. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/5/2006 9:53:05 PM | message detail |
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Mario and Yoshi were the two strongest forces on that poll, with
Yoshi in a sizeable lead. In a direct matchup, it's guaranteed that
Yoshi's bare minimum is 27.1 against Mario, which is barely under what
unadjusted Yoshi got against him in the Xstats I posted. So that's proof that Yoshi needs to be adjusted up. There you go. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| AmazingKirby | Posted 9/5/2006 9:54:24 PM | message detail |
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Yes, it is. And Riku looks much worse in comparison. Riku changes
from being the only good character in KH1 to being playable in CoM to
being lost in the crowd in KH2. Yay him. No one cares. It's KH2, so there will be a boost. If Chip and Dale were in the contest, they would still get more votes after KH2 than before it. Case closed. --- caps |
| Haste_2 | Posted 9/5/2006 9:55:13 PM | message detail |
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and in other news, could the coming gba ffvi remake make the ffvi crew respectable for next contest? I hope so. I didn't know for sure they were remaking it for the GBA...I just hope they don't wait too months after the Japan release to bring it over to NA. I think Mario would still SFF Yoshi, but you do have a point about Yoshi's 27% in that poll, Big Bob... Just for the sake of mentioning it, when did rSFF become acceptable? Didn't it logically make zero sense at all some time ago? What would be the principle behind it? The main idea is that rSFFable characters are backed up by far more than just their company's fanbase when compared to other characters of the same company/game/whatever. So, the theory is that Mario is much more popular than Samus with the Nintendo fanbase, but extra outside support boosts Samus up to around Mario's level. Likewise, Ness or Sora might be easily rSFFable, as well. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, you drink punch and eat CAKE! ...I think." |
| Who Cares? | Posted 9/5/2006 9:58:06 PM | message detail |
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Why would Riku get a massive KH2 boost? His role in that game is far smaller than his role in KH1 and especially CoM... This is purely anecdotal, but KH2 was my first KH game I thought Riku's role was freakin' awesome, despite the small screentime! --- Chun-Li's Road to the Female Final Four: vs Kasumi (Septemeber 26th) |
| Lopen | Posted 9/5/2006 10:00:45 PM | message detail |
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Just for the sake of mentioning it, when did rSFF become acceptable?
Didn't it logically make zero sense at all some time ago? What would be
the principle behind it? I've always endorsed it. It makes perfect sense to me... I was calling for it in Mario/Samus last year, too. Okay, I don't really believe that anymore... 60-40 beatdown ->Samus win doesn't convince me... but maybe with a 52-48 win for Mario or something I'd have said Samus got rSFFed. Hmmm... let me try to explain how I think this works with an example. Okay... try this on for size. Say Squall and Vincent both have matches against Dante. They resolve like this: Dante 90.0% 90468 Squall 10.0% 10052 TOTAL VOTES 100520 Dante 84.74% 90710 Vincent 15.26% 16332 TOTAL VOTES 107042 Now, with this, you're expecting Vincent to trounce Squall with ease. However... say the vote breakdown is like this: Squall's votes: 8000 Hardcore FF fans. 2052 Pity Votes. Vincent's votes: 6000 Hardcore FF fans. 8000 FF7 exclusive fans. 2300 Advent Children fans. 32 Dirge of Cerberus fans. Okay... now, Squall got more votes from Hardcore FF fans in his match. This implies that the "FF Hardcore fans" love him more. And guess what? When their match comes, they do. Squall takes the 90% of Vincent's "Hardcore FF Fan" block, Vincent only has 600 of his "hardcore" left. He still gets full strength from his 8000 FF7 fans, his 2300 AC fans, and his 32 DoC fans, however. Yet now, when the match comes, the result is like this: Squall 46.5% 9510 Vincent 53.5% 10932 TOTAL VOTES 20442 These two are horrible vote draws, as you can see, but the point is Squall totally made that match a lot closer than it should've been. Okay, that was probably a waste of time... but eh... it makes sense! --- Squall: "Hi, like Cloud from the last game, I am full of angst and am named after weather." - Slow Beef |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/5/2006 10:02:14 PM | message detail |
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No one cares. It's KH2, so there will be a boost. If Chip and Dale
were in the contest, they would still get more votes after KH2 than
before it. Case closed. Obviously. What kind of crazy person would think that Riku wouldn't get a boost from KH2? It will, however, be a very small boost. Maybe a percent or two, enough to potentially be wiped out by random variation. I think Mario would still SFF Yoshi, but you do have a point about Yoshi's 27% in that poll, Big Bob... What case? Adjust Yoshi up so that he gets, say, 38% on Mario, and then Mario SFFs him down to 30%. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 9/5/2006 10:06:05 PM | message detail |
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extra outside support boosts Samus up to around Mario's level. Funny how it's not the other way around, don't ya think? Anyway, I think rSFF is plausible when there's either more than two major fanbases involved (as-in Kirby/Bowser, where the SMB, Kirby, and SSB series are involved) or when there's a new probably-big release that comes just in time for a particular match (say, Vincent/Crono when Vincent had FF:AC leak two days before his match alongside other factors I've mentioned before). In many cases, no, rSFF isn't so plausible, but I think there are fine times to call it out here and there. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
