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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 354

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therealmnm | Posted 9/3/2006 3:16:31 PM | message detail
Oh, I'm not saying it's a validation of the board's tastes as a whole. Did even 100 people participate in that? I just had forgotten that Samus actually placed high on those things.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/3/2006 3:20:35 PM | message detail
From what I remember a LOT of people usually participate in the main list -- it could very well be 100 or so -- it's just the method of compiling, structuring, and the fact that even 100 people giving comprehensive lists isn't enough to give much of a representation of Board 8's tastes. Samus is still liked here, I'm sure -- maybe not as much as she once was, but going from an upset of Sephiroth to getting 60-40'd by Mario will do that to you. Magus was the same way (although his 'fall' was from 1st place to...well, 2nd place).
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Lopen | Posted 9/3/2006 3:55:47 PM | message detail
Okay, guys.. it has come to my attention this topic needs more Sheena/Jill discussion!

Kratos Aurion 2k5 is at 20.40% on the X-Stats. He did decently enough against Diablo. Jill is at 22.13% on the latest X-Stats, she gave Arabusa quite the fight. Now I ask myself... would I take Diablo over Arabusa? Yeah, and easily, at that. And the thing is, Jill Valentine has been dropping like a brick. She lost 5% between 2002 to 2004. What if that happened again? Now according to the stats, it looks like even Lloyd Irving would give her all she could handle.

But we don't like X-Stats that much, I'm just saying... Jill Valentine has been looking crappier every year, and it might not stop now. She's had two years to drop.

Lloyd Irving beat Wesker 55-45. One might say "Jill's a lock to beat Wesker", but I'm not so sure about that. Yeah, Wesker's just a villain... but he does have RE4, Jill doesn't have that! Hey, remember back when Wesker was untested? People were saying that he might be somewhere around Jill's level. You never know, it could be true nowadays. It's been a while since we've seen Jill, and Jill could keep falling and falling and falling.

Sheena's probably around Lloyd's level, maybe a bit stronger. Either way, Sheena falls between Lloyd and Kratos Aurion, and I think with the constantly falling Jill, it's quite possible she falls between those two too. Sheena could upset, I think!

Um... fire away?
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AmazingKirby | Posted 9/3/2006 3:57:02 PM | message detail
No. >_>
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/3/2006 4:03:15 PM | message detail
One might say "Jill's a lock to beat Wesker", but I'm not so sure about that.

Yes she is. There's no way she fails to break 60% on Luca Blight.
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H__RR____H | Posted 9/3/2006 4:10:48 PM | message detail
...so you're counting on Jill dropping 10% in these past two years for Sheena to win?

Not counting SFF situations, can anybody point out the characters that have ever dropped 10% since the contest began? How about characters that dropped 5% in a year? I'd like to see a list of this.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 9/3/2006 4:12:06 PM | message detail
From H__RR____H Posted 9/3/2006 4:10:48 PM
How about characters that dropped 5% in a year? I'd like to see a list of this.

Ryu?

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AmazingKirby | Posted 9/3/2006 4:16:09 PM | message detail
Well, we'll get to see how Claire dropped over 10% on September 16. >_>
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H__RR____H | Posted 9/3/2006 4:16:52 PM | message detail
If only Ryu was on that list, that would make Lopen's prediction about Jill dropping 5% in two years straight -- with each year having perhaps the RE series's biggest releases to date, despite not having Jill -- look even more ridiculous.
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LegendaryRaiden | Posted 9/3/2006 4:17:37 PM | message detail
Who said anything about Jill dropping 10% Or even 5%? She's not even 2% ahead of Kratos Aurion in 2004. Yeah, Sheena's not going to be Kratos Aurion, but even a 3% drop over two years puts Sheena in the running, I think.
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smitelf | Posted 9/3/2006 4:22:10 PM | message detail
My logic for Jill vs. Sheena:

Jill: "Hey, that chick from some Resident Evil game."
Sheena: "Who?"

*selects Jill*

Problem solved.
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LegendaryRaiden | Posted 9/3/2006 4:31:36 PM | message detail
I know, especially after that "Dude from some Resident Evil game" failed to beat "Who?" last year.

Lloyd Irving could also be a bit better than he looks, considering Zero wasn't adjusted at all... and some would say he deserves to be.
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H__RR____H | Posted 9/3/2006 4:36:00 PM | message detail
She lost 5% between 2002 to 2004. What if that happened again? [...] It's been a while since we've seen Jill, and Jill could keep falling and falling and falling.

I misunderstood one part, that Jill has dropped 5% total and might have only dropped 5% more. However, that would still be insane droppage consindering the REsurgance and the select few characters that have ever actually dropped THAT much.
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 9/3/2006 4:43:19 PM | message detail
I really don't see Sheena being that close to Lloyd, let alone being ahead of him.
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therealmnm | Posted 9/3/2006 5:03:07 PM | message detail
Tales of Symphonia was so last year.
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red sox 777 | Posted 9/3/2006 5:11:08 PM | message detail
I have Crono outlasting Sephiroth on the theory that Cloud and Sephiroth will split the fanbase, with Crono in third, Seph in fourth, and Mario in fifth. I could easily see any of 4 characters losing in the second day of the Battle Royale, though.

Mario: I changed to Mario from Seph for 5th because I think Link will SFF Mario pretty badly after TP, despite the 3:2 Square:Nintendo ratio favoring Nintendo. Mario's performance in the favorite Mario series poll is not inspiring either; if he can't beat Yoshi, he'd have a hard time in a favorites poll with Clinkeroth. But if he survives this poll, I can't see him beating out either one of the remaining 2 Square characters the next day, because of TP Link.

Crono: Well, Crono's the weakest out of all the remaining characters, so he'll have to avoid SFF while benefitting from it hurting the others. Crono's SFF record is impressive: large amounts of SFF against Kefka and Magus, who was supposed to rSFF him. Of course, Kefka and Magus are not in the league of Cloud and Sephiroth, but CT held up fairly well against FFVII, too. Crono has the most "hardcore" fanbase of the 5, and FFVII/Zelda overlap I think is not far off from FFVII/CT overlap. I think Crono can avoid SFF to a large enough degree, and the CT fanbase is large enough, for Crono to outlast one of the FFVII characters and Mario. If Seph or Cloud finish 5th, Crono should have a fairly easy match the next day to finish 3rd due to Nintendo SFF; if Mario finishes 5th, he'll have a difficult match to finish ahead of Cloud/Seph. I have him 3rd, but would not be at all surprised if he finished 5th.

Sephiroth: Sephiroth could finish anywhere from 5th to 2nd. He'll split the fanbase with Cloud in day 2, and FFVII/CT says that the FFVII fanbase is not that much larger than the CT fanbase. Sephiroth does have the advantage of being the only villain, but I'm not convinced this will help him more than marginally in winning the FFVII fanbase over Cloud. If Cloud is out, Sephiroth has a pass into 2nd. If Crono is out, he has a free pass into 3rd. If Mario is out, there'll be a 3 way fight in day 3 between himself, Cloud, and Crono.

Cloud: Cloud's situation is much like Sephiroth's. Sephiroth dividing the fanbase + Hero SFF is the only way Cloud can avoid finishing 2nd.

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Phediuk | Posted 9/3/2006 5:14:23 PM | message detail
Yeah, the ToS hype has long worn off. Who is honestly still crazy about the game? With every replay, I like ToS less and less. Incredibly corny plot--which takes forever to get going, mediocre voice acting, annoying characters, annoying dungeon puzzles, hilariously hammy dialogue, the in-game cutscenes look awful, one or two standout songs with 100 other tracks of forgettable tripe, and so on. Maybe a 7/10 game. Maybe.

The only reason it was so popular is because the GameCube has like 6 RPGs. Call it Baten Kaitos syndrome. And even on the Cube, Paper Mario 2 is a vastly superior game in every way.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/3/2006 5:58:19 PM | message detail
No.

That's seriously the best response to all of that mess. <<

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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/3/2006 6:03:14 PM | message detail
Yeah, Sheena's not going to be Kratos Aurion,

And that's all you need to know. She's a very distant second among the fanbase. Sheena will be closer to Lloyd than she will Kratos -- and Kratos isn't beating Jill.

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AmazingKirby | Posted 9/3/2006 7:34:30 PM | message detail
Why is it so boring in here today!?
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swirIdude | Posted 9/3/2006 7:42:54 PM | message detail
Having the word Sheena pop up this much will bore anyone!
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Nyah | Posted 9/3/2006 8:34:46 PM | message detail
"...why then, why have I not heard anybody say Crono will outlast Cloud or Sephiroth? Crono ain't that far behind them, and if he doesn't get SFF'd then he very well could outlast one of them."

I've had Link>Cloud>Mario>Crono>Seph>Samus since Day 1.
It's based on the theory of starting at 3Nin vs 3Square after Samus gets SFF'd one of the three Square's has to go. Cloud seems like the obvious strongest of the three. Then I'm hoping Crono can pull off the older age group(16 bit generation a bit) to beat Seph.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/3/2006 8:36:33 PM | message detail
The fact that anybody thinks Sheena will look good is absurd. This is Jill were talking about, probably the strongest RE character there is.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/3/2006 8:37:08 PM | message detail
probably the strongest RE character there is.

Leon Kennedy disagrees!

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/3/2006 8:38:06 PM | message detail
Isn't Leon stronger than Jill?
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/3/2006 8:39:17 PM | message detail
I'd bank on Jill SFFing Leon >_>
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/3/2006 8:39:55 PM | message detail
I'd bank on you being very wrong!!

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longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/3/2006 8:41:51 PM | message detail
Well we all know Leon will look worse than Jill in this years x-stats at least. Hes fightin Bowser in the first round. What a hoss!
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/3/2006 8:43:14 PM | message detail
He'll rank much higher than Jill will, so it doesn't matter too much!

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Big Bob | Posted 9/3/2006 8:43:59 PM | message detail
Leon > Jill

I have posted here for a while, and my bracket's pretty much finalized and nobody's gonna persuade me of anything. Here are my picks for the close matches:

The Boss > Celes
Amy Rose > KOS-MOS (OMG UPSET!)
Yoshi > Riku
Luigi > Zero
Ganondorf > Vincent
Chun Li > Lara Croft
Dante > Yoshi (the only change I made in my bracket)
Kirby > Luigi
Sonic > Ganondorf
Zelda > Aeris
Mega Man > Snake
Sonic > Crono
Sonic > Mega Man
Samus > Sonic
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/3/2006 8:44:26 PM | message detail
The point is Jill is cooler. All Leon has is stuff like "Your right hand comes off?", etc <_<
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ExplicitAriel | Posted 9/3/2006 8:45:19 PM | message detail
Mega Man > Snake

More like MM > Dante m i rite?

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/3/2006 8:45:19 PM | message detail
I have no idea why people think Cloud and Sephiroth are going to split votes any more significantly than any other two characters. Sephiroth gets minimal SFF, at best -- and in his best showing you can potentially argue rSFF. I don't see bracket voting making a difference (for those who think it did in 2k4), and his raw strength simply outclasses everyone's but Clink's. I see Link > Seph > Cloud in the Royale before I see Seph landing in 5th or 6th.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/3/2006 8:46:34 PM | message detail
More like MM > Dante m i rite?

whatever mega man is dum
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/3/2006 8:46:38 PM | message detail
Ganondorf > Vincent
Zelda > Aeris


Nice!

Sonic > Ganondorf

Aw! Now you can't win!

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/3/2006 8:49:17 PM | message detail
If HM had *quietly* taken this upset, I would perhaps consider it in the realm of Vincent winning the Devil Division -- it was a very big upset taken by HM that more or less snuck up on people.

But this is a BIG and LOUD Aitch Emm upset. Those never work out well!
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ExplicitAriel | Posted 9/3/2006 8:49:48 PM | message detail
But BIG and LOUD HM upsets are the most fun !!

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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/3/2006 8:53:19 PM | message detail
This is in the same realm, but I want to make sure that when it happens people know who was calling this on day one.

Bring on ZeldaFAQs, I say!

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Nyah | Posted 9/3/2006 8:54:10 PM | message detail
My prediction for round two of the battle royale:

Link: 33%
Mario: 19%
Cloud:17%
Crono:16%
Sephiroth:15%

I'm guessing Nintendo gets about 52% of the total votes throughout the Royale.

Hey I can make all the baseless predictions I want!
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ExplicitAriel | Posted 9/3/2006 8:54:58 PM | message detail
This is in the same realm, but I want to make sure that when it happens people know who was calling this on day one.

If I get loud enough maybe I can convince enough people it was me, like some people do! No... that has no chance of happening.

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longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/3/2006 8:56:09 PM | message detail
The Noble Nine is so screwed
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 9/3/2006 8:57:52 PM | message detail
The only picks I'm STILL having trouble with are among Kairi/Claire, Yoshi/Dante, and Ganondorf/Vincent.

And let's not forget Kirby/Zero (for those who have Zero > Luigi. >_>)
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/3/2006 9:01:10 PM | message detail
Kairi, Dante, Vincent, and Zero.
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AmazingKirby | Posted 9/3/2006 9:02:54 PM | message detail
I'm actually kinda hoping Ganondorf wins so HM keeps his account. And then...the other 99/100 of me says "lol Sonic > HM's account", and I feel better. >_>
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/3/2006 9:05:53 PM | message detail
Even if I somehow -- in some crazy way that can only happen if God decides to say, "HM -- quit this crap" -- lose, I would come back bigger and badder than ever before.

It'd be more than you could possibly ever, ever, ever expect.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/3/2006 9:07:08 PM | message detail
This whole thing has just been a big publicity stunt for HM! Alert the presses!!!
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ExplicitAriel | Posted 9/3/2006 9:11:55 PM | message detail
A publicitiy stunt was his name appears number 2 on the final Top 50 list! (After mine of course!)

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ExplicitAriel | Posted 9/3/2006 9:12:13 PM | message detail
was is the new when btw.

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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/3/2006 9:13:16 PM | message detail
I'll get quite some pretty nice recognition after my name appears first on the leaderboard with "Link" next to it.

"OMG THAT GUY PICKED LINK?! DAMN HE'S GOOD AT THIS! I THOUGHT SAMUS HAD THIS THING!"

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 9/3/2006 9:13:54 PM | message detail
If I get loud enough maybe I can convince enough people it was me, like some people do! No... that has no chance of happening.

Hey, I had Ganon > Male Bracket even before HM did. I suppose I haven't been as loud about it as him, but that would be impossible...

My prediction for round two of the battle royale:

Link: 33%
Mario: 19%
Cloud:17%
Crono:16%
Sephiroth:15%

I'm guessing Nintendo gets about 52% of the total votes throughout the Royale.

Hey I can make all the baseless predictions I want!


Baseless prediction 2: FFVII gets about 45% of the total votes throughout the Royale.
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