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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/2/2006 2:40:31 PM | message detail
And 2k4 being the best...oh, man. 2k4 was so bad. It was so horrifically, utterly predictable that it has caused grown men to be moved to tears. It was riddled with so much intentional SFF (something you've criticized 2k3 with?) that the devil himself could not have planned it any worse. 2k4 had Frog's run and one surprise...Sora.

Oh MAN that was a terrible contest.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/2/2006 2:41:36 PM | message detail
I don't care if you predicted it correctly. The whole damn board had Frog > Liquid Snake and Frog > MC, that didn't stop those matches from being insanely close. The board got lucky, the people who picked Magus got lucky. And those matches were insanely close and entertaining either way you go.

Than it just comes down to a case of personal preference then. I for one am a big Frog and Magus fan, however I didn't care that much about Ganondorf/Tidus because well...I think they are bland characters. See what I'm getting at?
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swirIdude | Posted 9/2/2006 2:42:53 PM | message detail
03 and Games were clearly the best because they had the most unpredictability and the best fields. I wasnt around for 02, but that field looks pathetic in comparision to what 03 put out. And Games was highly unpredictable (besides the winner).
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/2/2006 2:45:43 PM | message detail
If you wanted to talk personal preference in characters, 2k5 would be leaps and bounds away my favorite contest. My favorite character makes the Final Four in spectacular fashion, my second favorite character wins the contest, my third favorite character boosts like crazy and nearly beats Mega Man...

...but in terms of a CONTEST it's not that good, for a number of reasons. There were no really close matches, for one. There can be personal preference on what makes a better contest -- heck, it's 2k2 and Games that are regularly touted as the best ones.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/2/2006 2:48:32 PM | message detail
2002 had a piss-poor field, but the unpredictability of that contest cannot be denied. We had never had a contest before, we had nothing to go on in judging how people would do. All we could do was roll the dice and root as hard as we could for our favorite characters.

Games was like that to an extent, but we had the character contests to lower unpredictability and there was too much SFF as well. 2k2 is a state that will never be replicated again.
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charmander6000 | Posted 9/2/2006 2:48:34 PM | message detail
The only way people can say 2k3 wasn't a great contest was because they weren't there at the time or didn't follow it closely. Magus, Kefka and Vercetti were all thought to take down Link, Crono and Mega Man/Snake at the time, but now it would be a no brainer. Heck in 2k2 Crono/Dante was voted as match of the round.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/2/2006 2:49:28 PM | message detail
Mario/Bowser, Magus/Crono, Link/Ganon, the Squaresoft SFF, Zero/Protoman. Some clear examples of SFF sure(Note: I'm not putting Zero/Mega Man on here because Zero did pretty good given the match.) But the 04 contest made up for it in matches such as Frog's path, one of my favorite characters in Snake making contest history in a huge blowout against Tanner, the unpredictability of the Solid **** sprite and how much it took for him to overcome Frog after being given that pic, Crono finally overcoming Mario, Samus putting Sonic fans to tears, and all sorts of good stuff. Like I said before though, I guess it all comes down to personal preference for me.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/2/2006 2:52:21 PM | message detail
I was around in 03 and it just didn't do much for me. My bad guys <_< and theres alotta good stuff in 05 that you can't deny about. Matter of fact, now that I analyze the two brackets a little more, I'd probably say 05 > all is more like it.

2002 had a piss-poor field, but the unpredictability of that contest cannot be denied.

Thats what I think this contest will kinda be like.
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Draco1214 | Posted 9/2/2006 2:53:09 PM | message detail
I loved the 2005 contest and it had many awesome moments.

- CJayC having to remove votes for the first time since 2002 in the epic Kefka/Vercetti match.
- Magus's historic flop.
- Vincent's elite eight run, which included the destruction of Kerrigan and going toe-to-toe with Squall.
- Solid Snake making the Final Four (instant win!) after being underestimated in damn near every match.
- Sonic/Mega Man having an epic match for the last Final Four slot.
- Mario boosting like crazy and making mincemeat out of the bracket, which included Mario SFFing the crap out of Samus.
- Master Chief making the biggest comeback ever on Donkey Kong.
- Pac-Man pulling a huge upset over Ocelot.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/2/2006 2:54:43 PM | message detail
Draco summed it up pretty well. And Ness beatin CJ was cool too!
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/2/2006 2:59:26 PM | message detail
Lets stop talkin bout the past and focus on the current contest though, shall we?

Like the Claire/Kairi/Rikku fourpack. Still not much of a good conclusion there :(
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/2/2006 3:00:17 PM | message detail
Mario/Bowser, Magus/Crono, Link/Ganon, the Squaresoft SFF, Zero/Protoman. Some clear examples of SFF sure(Note: I'm not putting Zero/Mega Man on here because Zero did pretty good given the match.)

"The Squaresoft SFF" can encompass a LOT. The fact that we had SFF matches in the third round (Link/Yoshi, Cloud/Squall) was pathetic -- and we very well could have had another -- we were 100 votes away from seeing Solid/Liquid!

But the 04 contest made up for it in matches such as Frog's path, one of my favorite characters in Snake making contest history in a huge blowout against Tanner,

After seeing the destruction at first, that match was MASSIVELY boring. And I'm the biggest Snake fan here.

the unpredictability of the Solid **** sprite and how much it took for him to overcome Frog after being given that pic,

This would go under 'Frog's Run'.

Crono finally overcoming Mario, Samus putting Sonic fans to tears,

Both of these are boring and anticlimactic. And Samus > Sonic was also massively expected seeing as how Samus had massively outclassed him in 2k3 and simple common sense. The only reason why Crono > Mario wasn't expected because it followed up the dead even Mario/Crono matches before -- you know, the good ones.

and all sorts of good stuff. Like I said before though, I guess it all comes down to personal preference for me.

It's not like I'm trying to attack your tastes, but...

...well, I just don't know a good way to end that sentence. =/
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/2/2006 3:02:20 PM | message detail
Hey, 2k5 was a damn good contest. I can see someone legitimately picture that to be the best, especially if they weren't around for the others. It's just that even considering 2004 to be the best or 2003 to be the worst just baffles me.
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Master Moltar | Posted 9/2/2006 3:04:26 PM | message detail
After picking my jaw off of the ground upon hearing that people actually liked 2004, I took a second look at it. And yep, I still dislike it. SFF everywhere, no real surprises other than Frog and Sora (and I bet if Sora wasn't rSFFed by Aeris the previous year, it wouldn't have been a surprise).

Even from a personal preference it sucked. Shadow lost to Tidus in Round 1, Kirby lost to Squall in Round 2. Link not only SFFed Ganon to the ground, but also Yoshi. The only thing I enjoyed that Contest was the Samus > Cloud run.

And I don't need to restate why 2003 was superior IMO.

Anyway, SC2K3 > SC2K5 > Sp2004 >>>>> SC2K4 > VC > BSE

Yeah, I wasn't a fan of StarCraft's run. The bracket could have also been alot better. I'd still love to see another Games Contest though
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 9/2/2006 3:04:44 PM | message detail
2k3
2k2
2k5
Games
2k4
Series
Villians

There is no other argument.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/2/2006 3:06:29 PM | message detail
Everybody calm down and get to the part where we change the subject before my zany contest opinion credibility goes down the tube any further >_>
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/2/2006 3:07:29 PM | message detail
if Sora wasn't rSFFed by Aeris

OH MAN
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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/2/2006 3:11:13 PM | message detail
I was here for all of (summer) 2k4, but I wasn't a member. I only joined in the last two weeks or so.

SC2K5 > SC2K4 > Series > Villains

Series is only above villains because of the insane vote totals, FF losing, and a couple of upsets.

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By the way...

If we compiled a top 15 list of characters in order of strength...what would yours be?

1-9. <Noble nine>
10. u
11. v
12. w
13. x
14. y
15. z

I have no clue. I'm thinking Ganon, VV, Bowser, but I don't know about the others. Aeris, Squall, Zero, Tifa...meh
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Master Moltar | Posted 9/2/2006 3:11:45 PM | message detail
Oops, take out the "r".
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/2/2006 3:12:02 PM | message detail
Give me some examples of stuff in the 03 contest that were interesting besides a couple cool upsets like Squall owning Luigi and the like.

2003 was the only contest we'll ever see Link lose. That counts for something, you know. Even crazier is that he came off a complete domination in 2002 -- he kills Mario, Mario beats Cloud -- and gets beaten by someone who should have been much weaker than him (just by looking at results, none of that statisical stuff).

2003 may not have the best results in what you want, but there is little denying that it was easily one of the best -- if not the best -- contests we've ever had.

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swirIdude | Posted 9/2/2006 3:12:35 PM | message detail
2003
Games
2005
2002 (arbitrary placement, didn't see all of it)
Series
2004
Villians
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therealmnm | Posted 9/2/2006 3:13:59 PM | message detail
In no particular order, I'd have 10-15 be Squall, Bowser, Vincent, Ganondorf, Zero, Auron, and uhhhhhh.... Tifa?
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/2/2006 3:14:31 PM | message detail
After this contest...

1.) Link
2.) Cloud Strife
3.) Sephiroth
4.) Mario
5.) Samus Aran
6.) Ganondorf
7.) Mega Man
8.) Crono
9.) Sonic the Hedgehog
10.) Solid Snake
11.) Vincent Valentine
12.) Bowser
13.) Squall Leonhart
14.) Tifa Lockhart
15.) Zelda

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longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/2/2006 3:14:37 PM | message detail
Indeed, Link losing does count for something. Thats the thing though. I like Link a little more than I do Sephiroth and Cloud. Which is wierd cause I like FF7 a little more than I do LTTP :O
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/2/2006 3:14:52 PM | message detail
That's 16!
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therealmnm | Posted 9/2/2006 3:15:28 PM | message detail
Miscounted. <_<;
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/2/2006 3:16:16 PM | message detail
That was to mnm, by the by.

1.) Link
2.) Cloud Strife
3.) Sephiroth
4.) Mario
5.) Samus Aran
6.) Ganondorf
7.) Mega Man
8.) Crono
9.) Sonic the Hedgehog
10.) Solid Snake
11.) Vincent Valentine
12.) Bowser
13.) Squall Leonhart
14.) Tifa Lockhart
15.) Zelda


Someone couldn't resist this!
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/2/2006 3:16:35 PM | message detail
Indeed, Link losing does count for something. Thats the thing though. I like Link a little more than I do Sephiroth and Cloud. Which is wierd cause I like FF7 a little more than I do LTTP

... Okay. That doesn't take away from the fact that it was completely unexpected. You can try to not have your preferences determine how good or bad a contest is, you know.

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longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/2/2006 3:16:54 PM | message detail
Post-Character Battle V:

1.) Link
2.) Cloud Strife
3.) Sephiroth
4.) Mario
5.) Crono
6.) Mega Man
7.) Samus
8.) Solid Snake
9.) Zero(YOU HEARD IT HERE FOLKS <_<)
10.) Sonic
11.) Bowser
12.) Vincent Valentine
13.) Squall Leonhart
14.) Tifa Lockhart
15.) Zelda
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AmazingKirby | Posted 9/2/2006 3:16:59 PM | message detail
More like 6.) Zelda, 15.) Ganondorf.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/2/2006 3:17:55 PM | message detail
Ganon being anywhere higher than ninth is insanity.

And anyway, I'm talking right now, as in before this contest.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/2/2006 3:18:04 PM | message detail
Hey, I forgot to boost Zelda~! She should be like Squall level, baby.

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longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/2/2006 3:18:14 PM | message detail
... Okay. That doesn't take away from the fact that it was completely unexpected. You can try to not have your preferences determine how good or bad a contest is, you know.

Perhaps! Maybe 03 wasn't so boring after all.

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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/2/2006 3:18:54 PM | message detail
Ganon being anywhere higher than ninth is insanity.

If you use your insane logic, maybe.

"Ganon over Snake without hesistation before TP!"

"Ganon over Sonic post-TP?! HAW HAW NO."

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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/2/2006 3:19:22 PM | message detail
And anybody else save the NN being any higher than tenth is also insanity.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/2/2006 3:20:30 PM | message detail
Right now? Lets see here....

1.) Link
2.) Cloud Strife
3.) Sephiroth
4.) Mario
5.) Crono
6.) Mega Man
7.) Samus
8.) Solid Snake
9.) Sonic
10.) Vincent Valentine
11.) Bowser
12.) Zero
13.) Ganondorf
14.) Squall
15.) Tifa
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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 9/2/2006 3:21:14 PM | message detail
After this contest...

1.) Link
2.) Cloud Strife
3.) Sephiroth
4.) Mario
5.) Samus Aran
6.) Mega Man (but beats Samus for the championship)
7.) Crono
8.) Sonic the Hedgehog
9) Ganondorf
10.) Solid Snake
11.) Bowser
12) VV
13.) Squall Leonhart
14) Zelda
15) Yoshi

Yep, Yoshi>Tifa, I'd take that upset were the two to ever face each other.
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Master Moltar | Posted 9/2/2006 3:21:29 PM | message detail
1.) Link
2.) Cloud Strife
3.) Sephiroth
4.) Mario
5.) Samus Aran
6.) Ganondorf
7.) Mega Man
8.) Crono
9.) Sonic the Hedgehog
10.) Solid Snake
11.) Vincent Valentine
12.) Bowser
13.) Squall Leonhart
14.) Tifa Lockhart
15.) Zelda


I love you HM.

Anyway...

1.) Link
2.) Cloud Strife
3.) Sephiroth
4.) Mario
5.) Samus Aran
6.) Crono
7.) Sonic the Hedgehog
8.) Mega Man
9.) Solid Snake
10.) Ganondorf
11.) Bowser
12.) Vincent Valentine
13.) Squall Leonhart
14.) Tifa Lockhart
15.) Zelda

Sounds about good. Auron, Kirby and Zero just miss out.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/2/2006 3:21:43 PM | message detail
You're all biased against Snake! This is the most anti-Snake board ever! Fine, I'll do my strength rankings.

1. SOLID SNAKE*

*this strength ranking may be for KH's personal site and not indicative of the GameFAQs Contests
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Kaxon | Posted 9/2/2006 3:21:58 PM | message detail
How can you like 2004 the same as 2003? 2003 was leaps and bounds ahead of 2004. 2004 kinda sucked.

Summer 2004 is deeply underrated. I'm not saying it's the best contest, cause it wasn't. But it didn't suck like so many people seem to think.

In retrospect SC2k4 looks extremely predictable, but the thing is we didn't know as much back then as we do now. Plenty of people thought Sephiroth had a shot at winning because he'd been so close to Cloud in 2003. Even other winners seemed like a longshot rather than an impossibility - we'd only had two character battles so far, and Sephiroth had gone from 50.5% on Mega Man to 61% on Mega Man while Cloud had gone from 8th in the stats to winning the contest. We didn't know that kind of thing wouldn't happen to someone else. We thought Magus might be a threat to rSFF Crono. There was a fair amount of uncertainty.

Then you get to what actually happened in the contest. SC2k4 had Frog/Liquid and Frog/MC. It had Tidus/Shadow. It had Sora shocking everyone against Ryu Hayabusa. For hilarity it had two of the best blowouts ever, Link/Ganon and Snake/Tanner. It had HM looking like a genius when Mega Man put up big numbers on Tidus and Snake - and then it had him crashing and burning when Link SFFed Mega Man. It had Samus projecting to beat Cloud with ease after both of her first two matches. It had an account bet between Slowflake and SecondBest. 2k4 was a pretty good contest.

Trying to rate things as objectively as I can,

Games > 2k2 > 2k3 > 2k4 > 2k5 > Series > Villains

In my opinion the Villains contest was by far the worst and the only one I consider really bad. It only had two remotely interesting matches, CATS/Ansem and Master Hand/Kuja. It also suffered from having entrants that no one cared about. 2k5 probably had the best bracket, but the actual contest was kind of disappointing, since there were no real nailbiters. The best matches were MM/Sonic, Squall/Vincent, and MC/DK, and none of those were on the level of the best matches from the contests that came before it. Games was the best because although the bracket could have been better, it had a lot of really good matches between entrants that people actually cared about: Starcraft/Halo, Starcraft/Wind Waker, CT/LttP, FFT/MGS, DK/DH in my opinion were all better than the best match from 2k5, series or villains.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/2/2006 3:23:37 PM | message detail
"Ganon over Snake without hesistation before TP!"

I explained that. I still think they'd be within 2% of each other, but I would still take Ganon anyway, without hesitation...because I've been mulling that one over for over a year, and if I saw it in a bracket, it's what I'd take. Without hesitation. I re-iterate, I STILL THINK IT WOULD BE VERY, VERY CLOSE.

"Ganon over Sonic post-TP?! HAW HAW NO."

Tell me when I've ever said that, please. I've said that if it comes out within 2 days of Ganon/Sonic, it's still not happening. Anything earlier and yes, Ganon would take it.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/2/2006 3:24:26 PM | message detail
Let's adjust this a bit!!

1.) Link
2.) Cloud Strife
3.) Sephiroth
4.) Mario
5.) Samus Aran
6.) Ganondorf
7.) Mega Man
8.) Crono
9.) Sonic the Hedgehog
10.) Solid Snake
11.) Vincent Valentine
12.) Bowser
13.) Zelda
14.) Squall Leonhart
15.) Tifa Lockhart

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longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/2/2006 3:25:06 PM | message detail
I think everyones banking on TP too much. For all we know Ganon might not be in TP too much till about halfway through the game :O
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/2/2006 3:25:23 PM | message detail
Needs moar Crono over Mega Man dude
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Kaxon | Posted 9/2/2006 3:26:18 PM | message detail
I may have underrated 2k5 there... between Magus/Knuckles, Pac-Man/Ocelot, and Kefka/Vercetti it should rank above 2k4.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/2/2006 3:27:14 PM | message detail
I'll take a crack at it...

1. Link
2. Cloud
3. Sephiroth
4. Mario
5. Samus
6. Crono
7. Megaman
8. Sonic
9. Snake
10. Vincent
11. Ganondorf
12. Bowser
13. Squall
14. Tifa
15. Zero

>_>

This is pre-this contest, btw. I confidently expect the NN to shift significantly in the favour of a certain blue hedgehog after this contest.
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 9/2/2006 3:27:31 PM | message detail
I honestly don't see why TP happening on the day of Sonic/Ganondorf or TP coming out a day or two before would mean anything. This isin't like Link or Mario. There is no gurantee that all the Zelda fans that come looking for help will automatically vote for Ganondorf over Sonic.

If Ganondorf has as big a role as Nintendo says then I can see him being as high as HM says next year. But unless TP comes out way before Sonic/Ganondorf, most people won't see that big role yet.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 9/2/2006 3:28:52 PM | message detail
I explained that. I still think they'd be within 2% of each other, but I would still take Ganon anyway, without hesitation...because I've been mulling that one over for over a year, and if I saw it in a bracket, it's what I'd take. Without hesitation. I re-iterate, I STILL THINK IT WOULD BE VERY, VERY CLOSE.

Perhaps you don't realize how damn close that makes Ganon to Sonic. The gap between the two if Ganon just barely, barely slips by is about 1.28%. Ganon doesn't even need Twilight Princess to beat Sonic if he's that close. You make it seem like there is a world of difference between Snake and Sonic when there's not that much. If Ganon beats Snake with 52%, then he's dead even with Sonic -- ahead by a slight margin even.

Tell me when I've ever said that, please. I've said that if it comes out within 2 days of Ganon/Sonic, it's still not happening. Anything earlier and yes, Ganon would take it.

You say that it wouldn't matter because people are going to be apparently setting up their consoles (this takes all of five minutes at the most) and then playing the game. Now you're assuming that the wondrous gamers of GameFAQs are not going to eventually take a break and not come here to look for help or to discuss the game with other people. ...Why?

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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/2/2006 3:29:11 PM | message detail
I loved 2k5 for the upsets alone. It was pretty fair; one went towards my personal preference (Knux/Magus) and one went against (Pac/Ocelot)
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AmazingKirby | Posted 9/2/2006 3:29:31 PM | message detail
Ganondorf is ugly.
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