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plasmabeam | Posted 9/2/2006 8:34:33 AM | message detail
Why do I get the feeling that KOS-MOS/Amy is a trap? I just don't see it as an easy pick with all the casuals voting for Amy.

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Aprosenf | Posted 9/2/2006 8:35:41 AM | message detail
Just for curiosity's sake, I've compiled a list of the PS2 ownership from every poll I could find. For the most part, it's been consistently increasing over time, with only a couple of small decreases and only one unexplainable anomoly. Here it is:

09/02/06: 77.22 (current; decreasing)
02/27/06: 77.06%
10/14/05: 75.75%
06/26/05: 76.72%
06/07/05: 74.75%
12/29/04: 74.42%
10/08/04: 75.01%
06/17/04: 74.25%
02/24/04: 73.59%
12/04/03: 72.33%
09/07/03: 71.54%
06/17/03: 70.68%
05/15/03: 71.79%
03/05/03: 71.49%
12/28/02: 70.54%
11/10/02: 66.65%
09/21/02: 65.65%
06/30/02: 64.57%
05/22/02: 63.57%
04/29/02: 63.69%
03/18/02: 63.13%
12/27/01: 61.47%
11/24/01: 57.38%
07/24/01: 42.25%
07/06/01: 40.74%
03/27/01: 33.71%
02/24/01: 28.47%
01/20/01: 22.78%
12/26/00: 26.30%
12/01/00: 18.07%
10/29/00: 22.89%

PS2 release date was 10/26/00. The polls from 10/29/00 (poll 335) and 01/20/01 (poll 418) are somewhat anomolous, but I attribute that to the relative recency of the release. Everything after that is remarkably consistent, despite the various different formats of the poll question (Got PlayStation 2? vs. Which of the 3 current-generation consoles do you own? vs. a few other variants).

Other interesting points of note: 13.28% said they got a PS2 for Christmas in '00 (poll 392), but there wasn't nearly that much of an increase in nearby ownership polls. 17.91% claimed getting one for Chrismtas in '01 (poll 754), and I can't honestly believe that the majority of those people weren't getting their first PS2. 10.23% said they got one for Christmas in '02 (poll 1117); 4.22% got one for Christmas '03 (poll 1478); and 3.18% got one for Christmas '04 (poll 1860).

Also, there were some polls concerning the various PS2 price drops over time, and these gave some data, but they were inconsistent with the above numbers. For example, look at polls 1405, 893, and 665. In poll 1405 (10/11/03), 60.62% say they have a PS2, but that number isn't entirely accurate considering the poll question, and it's obviously inconsistent with the polls on 09/07/03 and 12/04/03.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/2/2006 8:36:44 AM | message detail
Crash Bandicoot is infinitely more casual than Amy Rose, and KOS-MOS whipped him.
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Tediz247 | Posted 9/2/2006 8:37:19 AM | message detail
Xenosaga 3 is more recent than anything Amy will have had. Of course, it probably won't do much for KOS-MOS, but she won't need much to beat a character that most Sonic fans hate.
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consolefreak | Posted 9/2/2006 8:39:25 AM | message detail
^^ Good stuff. Good to see the PS2 going strong despite Nintendo increasing. Curious to see how the gamecube fares in its next poll.
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Eggplant Lord | Posted 9/2/2006 8:43:18 AM | message detail
How many people here trust the Villains contest. I say that the contest being comprised solely of villains and being called the "Villains contest" brought things out of proportion for Ganondorf. The majority of voters in his later matches likely would have voted before and would have caught on to the villains thing (assuming they hadn't read "villains contest" before, and I know several voters don't read). This would channel more of Link's strength into Ganondorf. If Link is a voter's favorite character, but s/he is then asked who his/her favorite villain is, then s/he will likely pick the villain corresponding to his/her favorite character. I think.

Anyway, I'd still take Bowser > Ganondorf in a character contest without much thought. What is the consensus here?

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Eggplant Lord | Posted 9/2/2006 8:46:06 AM | message detail
Er, that was a question <_<

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/2/2006 8:49:22 AM | message detail
SC2K5 adjustments based on the Villains Contest!

Magus (through Luca Blight) – 33.05% (making the entire Devil Division underrated by more than a percent! Squall > Solid Snake?! Believe it!)
Solid Snake (through Bowser) – 40.18% (Mario SFF’d Snake!!!!)
Pac-Man (through Revolver Ocelot) – 27.74% (Pac-Man > Leon Kennedy!)
Yuna (through Ganondorf) – 31.91% (Watch out, Zelda! She’s coming!)
Auron (through Ganondorf) – 37.76% (Watch out, Crono! He’s coming!)
Chun-Li (through Bowser) – 27.12%
Ryu (through Bowser) – 32.63% (Mr. Consistency returns!)
Kirby (through Bowser) – 38.08% (Hey, Sonic! If Ganon or Vincent don’t get you, watch out for Kirby!)
Tidus (through Kirby by Bowser) – 32.25% (Tidus > Dante? Believe it!)
Tommy Vercetti (through Kefka) – 26.90% (about a percent above his 2004 value)
Crono (through Vercetti by Kefka) – 46.08% (Mario rSFF’d Crono!)
Sonic the Hedgehog (through Diablo) – 45.51% (Sonic > Mario?! Believe it!)
Mega Man (via Crono/Vercetti) – 44.84%
Mega Man (via Sonic/Diablo) – 45.85%
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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/2/2006 9:05:01 AM | message detail
(Sonic > Mario?! Believe it!)

It'll happen in the battle royale!
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Kaxon | Posted 9/2/2006 9:21:53 AM | message detail
Ganon/Vincent takes place October 7th.

Gah... the day I'm going to be on a transatlantic flight.

In 2003, Auron got 64.47% on Tails, but was supposedly SFF'd by Cloud. If we factor in the 2004 value for Tails, Auron's value is around 32.75% on BL, almost exactly equal with Dante's 2005 value. If you adjust Ganondorf based on the 54.10% he got on Auron, he moves up to around 35.65% on BL, 0.07% above Vincent's 2005 value. That means he gets 46.30% on Sonic the Hedgehog. This also moves Samus up to 44.20% on BL in 2005 (assuming she didn't SFF him at all), exactly 1% above Mario.

In 2004, Auron got 64.85% on Scorpion, but was supposedly SFF'd by Sephiroth. If we factor in the 2003 value for Scorpion, Auron's value is around 35.20% on BL, slightly above Squall 2005. Adjusting Ganondorf based on this puts him at 38.35% on BL, only 0.15% below Sonic 2005.


I don't buy either of those numbers for simple reasons. The Tails number because 2003 was the worst year for Sonic and Knuckles, so it seems likely Tails was weaker in 2003 than 2004. The 2004 number because I think it's clear Scorpion was on the decline, culminating with him missing the contest in 2005.

By the way, extrapolating through Alucard instead of Auron gives Ganondorf a score of 30.14 against BL. (Basing Alucard's strength off Sora 2k4). That's way more in line with his 2k5 xstat number, and with Magus & Tidus's numbers as well (allowing for an increase since he faced them).
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/2/2006 9:26:41 AM | message detail
Ah right, I had forgotten about Alucard. Although, in my opinion, extrapolating through Diablo isn't a bad idea for Sonic/Ganon comparisons since they faced him mere months apart.
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/2/2006 9:34:32 AM | message detail
It's pretty clear than Bowser and Ganondorf overperformed against Sephiroth (just measure Bowser through Seph in the SC2K5 stats), but it's certainly possible that Liquid Snake is accurate based off a SC2K5 Sephiroth, as he's pretty close to 2K3 Master Chief and Frog's given 2K5 value.

Oh, and I've long ago assumed Auron's at roughly 32% on BL, while 2K5 Ganondorf is at 35%. I mainly based Ganondorf off of his match with Diablo, and Auron off his match against Sephiroth (assuming no SFF) ...and figuring Seph 2K4 = Seph 2K5, which ends up predicting Auron vs. Ganondorf accurately. Of course, I could very well be off by 2-3 points, anyway...

Here's a crazy thought: notice how Ryu, Zero, and Sora (and Vivi assuming Vivi/Seph SFF in 2K4) are all proportional to each other between SC2K4 and SC2K5...so, what if Zero/Mario was legit, Sora/Snake pic factor wasn't a lot, and that Crono OVERperformed against Mario, hm? I'll just set Zero to 34%, about equal to Zero 2K4...

Mario - 45.77%
Zero - 34%
Snake - 39.17%
Vivi - 28.88%
Zelda - 35.72%
Sora - 27.22%
Alucard - 24.30%
Kratos - 21.61%

Kirby - 37.07%
Tidus - 31.39%

Bowser - 38.71%
Ryu - 31.76%
Chun Li - 26.40%
Rikku - 28.13% (this is for you, AmazingKirby)

If it was true somehow, I'd feel even more obligated to call Kirby/Bowser an anamoly, and Bowser's value suddenly almost fits with his match against Sephiroth... but, then again, if you extrapolate Sephiroth through Mario now, he's a lot stronger than before. Well, maybe it was just Snake that underperformed against Mario, not Crono that overperformed! ...though I have no idea why that would be. Not to mention Snake rising that much just wouldn't make much sense! In fact, Bowser and Mario rising that much wouldn't make much sense, even with the Nintendo Boost...

So, if Snake's at 39% on BL in 2K5...then add in MGS4 and, more importantly, SSBB, which results in Snake for the (male) championship!

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/2/2006 9:38:55 AM | message detail
Snake at 39% BL would be awesome.

...*goes to change bracket*
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therealmnm | Posted 9/2/2006 9:41:48 AM | message detail
...and figuring Seph 2K4 = Seph 2K5

I have to disagree there...
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/2/2006 9:44:18 AM | message detail
Although Sephiroth 2004 being correct and assuming he didn't get any SFF on Vivi lines up very well with the Black Mage's 2005 value.

But that makes DK drop about 2% and makes his boost even BIGGER going through MC.
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/2/2006 9:48:35 AM | message detail
I always found it too weird that Sephiroth would drop in 2K4 only to come back up to his 2K3 value in 2K5, unless you want to blame it on Advent Children (but that would mean Sephiroth was helped by it, but not Cloud!). I tend to think SFF just happens to change between years sometimes, or that Sephiroth was aided by revenge votes or something in 2K3, or SOMETHING...

Hey, and if Samus/Link happened again you'd agree there would be more SFF, right?

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/2/2006 9:50:42 AM | message detail
Before Master Chief in 2005, Sephiroth was widely regarded as the most inconsistent character in these contests. I don't really know what to make of it. Some things about Cloud SFFing him make sense (though I'd personally blame it on bracket voting, something that was a nonfactor in 2003, and in Sephy's favor, if anything), and some things don't.
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Kaxon | Posted 9/2/2006 9:59:03 AM | message detail
Ah right, I had forgotten about Alucard. Although, in my opinion, extrapolating through Diablo isn't a bad idea for Sonic/Ganon comparisons since they faced him mere months apart.

I think Diablo's a reasonable way to compare them, just keep in mind that Sonic and Ganon both had bracket support against Diablo, while Sonic will be a big bracket favorite over Ganon.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/2/2006 10:01:48 AM | message detail
No doubt about that, though I wonder exactly how much carryover we'll have from the Villains Contest. Villains got big bracket support in SC2K5. Sonic only had 69.44% getting past Diablo/Kratos Aurion when he had 92.10% getting past Jin Kazama. That's even less support than Mega Man!
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therealmnm | Posted 9/2/2006 10:01:58 AM | message detail
To piggyback on what Leon said, I always thought that Sephy 2k4 being lower was due to a tad of SFF, a good bit of bracket voting, and Sephy probably being overrated in 2k3 thanks to Cloud upsetting Link. The gap between Cloud 2k5 and Sephiroth 2k5 seems about right to me, at least when compared to 2k3 and 2k4.

As for Link/Samus, seeing what Mario did to Samus, I almost have to blame WW Link. I know I'm in the minority, but I think WW Link changed things a bit. I don't think it caused people to anti-vote him, but it probably swayed how someone who also likes Samus or Cloud voted. Link definitely beats Samus worse than Mario did were they to face off today.
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MarkSmith | Posted 9/2/2006 10:08:13 AM | message detail
Ulti and everyone who's ever won a contest before or finished top 50:

Ganon or Vince?
Samus or Crono?
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/2/2006 10:09:06 AM | message detail
I basically agree with that. I didn't mean to say that Sephiroth could've only been affected by one factor, I just meant to say that I didn't think Sephiroth was flat out weaker that year.

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/2/2006 10:10:48 AM | message detail
Winning a contest is a lot of luck. Just because Ulti won a contest before doesn't mean he has a better chance of winning than anyone else.

After all, he had DK beating Vivi in 2004! What a loser!
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 9/2/2006 10:31:20 AM | message detail
Winning a contest is a lot of luck. Just because Ulti won a contest before doesn't mean he has a better chance of winning than anyone else.

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Haste_2 | Posted 9/2/2006 10:34:23 AM | message detail
Leonhart placed in the Top 100 Games contest. (right?) =p

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/2/2006 10:38:19 AM | message detail
Yeah, I'm so jealous that I've never won a prize in a GameFAQs Contest.
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consolefreak | Posted 9/2/2006 10:42:16 AM | message detail
Jealousy...gets the best of all of us.

It was a bit of an overstatement, but there's a lot of truth in it. No matter how you slice it, luck is always a big factor in these things.

Besides, he finished top 10 for the top 100 games of all time, I believe (as mentioned).
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therealmnm | Posted 9/2/2006 10:49:48 AM | message detail
I never judge by where a person ends up in a contest anyways, as matches have different weight values. I was up to number 12 (I think) in 2k5 before Mario/Samus. Does that make me less credible than someone who got 8 first round matches wrong but picked Mario > Samus? I look more at direct win-losses and also close arguments (if someone argues for someone and that character barely loses, it doesn't make them any less credible as if that character had barely won. They still pegged the character's strength right.)

A lot of the stats topics regs have pretty much the same winning percentage give or take an upset here or there, anyways.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 9/2/2006 10:52:58 AM | message detail
You know, after thinking about things a bit, Vincent's going to blow Ganondorf outta the water.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/2/2006 10:53:53 AM | message detail
Out of the water? No.

...I'm not saying who I have winning, however. I think it will be close one way or the other, but Sonic beats the victor with at least 52%.
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voltch | Posted 9/2/2006 10:54:20 AM | message detail
so what are the most debated matches so far?
i assume the match concerning the implosion of the universe is one of them.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/2/2006 10:56:32 AM | message detail
If this contest bombs compared to the series contest in terms of votals, does anyone else think we might see the series contest brought back, perhaps even as the standard for future contests? Remember, before the Series Contest every non-character contest that we held had disappointing vote totals -- Villains Contest, even the Games Contest. Games! Series basically blew everything out of the water, and I don't just think it's because it was new -- I think it's because it was about series.

There are a LOT more series than what was put in the bracket, and even with those that were put in you could make a hellacious division without even changing any of the seeds. Observe:

1 Metal Gear
8 Diablo

4 Mega Man
5 Mega Man X

3 Sonic the Hedgehog
6 Street Fighter

2 Resident Evil
7 Kirby

That's without any seed tweaking at all. Add in that we've yet to see a lot of series that could very well be popular and a lot of good matchups, not to mention we could see just how well the X-Stats hold up with series (my guess is not that well)...well, you get the idea.

Though I'd really like to see the Games Contest get another shot without being screwed over by Ceej.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/2/2006 10:58:08 AM | message detail
We don't need another Series Contest ever. I doubt Ceej would bring it back solely because it had a lot of votes. It was too predictable, and he knows it.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/2/2006 11:00:45 AM | message detail
if someone argues for someone and that character barely loses, it doesn't make them any less credible as if that character had barely won. They still pegged the character's strength right.

I don't necessarily agree here...that reminds me of the "Master Hand will be strong" arguments that went around against Kuja, when in fact Kuja was just pathetic. Not that I don't give them credit for seeing Master Hand being stronger than Kuja in the first place, but calling matches correctly is a bit overrated in the first place.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/2/2006 11:02:02 AM | message detail
Ah yes, the good ol' days of "Master Hand could probably beat Falco!"

Not that I have room to talk, but I always find that humorous just thinking about it.

"Kuja could beat Kefka!"

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therealmnm | Posted 9/2/2006 11:02:40 AM | message detail
I think Games contests would be the best thing to have on the regular, since there are simply so many games. Plus there are always new and popular games coming out every year. How often do you see a new, popular character? Plus the top games also have popular counterparts, so you don't have to see the top games in every contest like you do for character contests. There's still plenty of unrealized potential as far as games go.
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therealmnm | Posted 9/2/2006 11:05:59 AM | message detail
I don't necessarily agree here...that reminds me of the "Master Hand will be strong" arguments that went around against Kuja, when in fact Kuja was just pathetic. Not that I don't give them credit for seeing Master Hand being stronger than Kuja in the first place, but calling matches correctly is a bit overrated in the first place.

I don't mean every single match someone gets right... I'm talking in general. Of course there are circumstances like that which can be thrown out!
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 9/2/2006 11:09:33 AM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/sum05_who.php

Sonic, Luigi, and Leon Kennedy are in the exact same place in the bracket this year.

...Interesting to note that Vincent is listed as "Gordon Freeman" and Bowser has the picture of Gordon Freeman next to him. A sign of things to come?
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Haste_2 | Posted 9/2/2006 11:24:04 AM | message detail
I think HaRRiCH called Kuja's weakness pretty well...he thought Kuja was the weakest character of the 4-pack.

Nice stuff, Karma Hunter. Yeah, I guess it shows how lazy CJayC can be with making brackets sometimes if he won't even swap the seeds around very much. I suppose I'll recreate the SC2K5 bracket by swapping some seeds around sometime.

I agree that we should see another Best Games Ever contest, but considering we had a Top 100 Games Contest last fall I think we'll be lucky to see a games contest next year. Realmnm is right about there being loads of unseen games that could do very well. The problem is...how are we going to fairly get most of those games into a game contest? It seems we'd either have to snub the strongest games or we'd have to see an extremely Square/Nintendo-heavy bracket. Or, it could be a 128-game contest, but I doubt we'd ever see that. Or maybe I'm just all wrong.

Oh, and we -really- need some nailbiters this year. It was odd that, despite the difficulty, not one match in SC2K5 went 50/50 for long, except for kinda Vercetti vs. Kefka and Sonic vs. Mega Man. I want another FFT/MGS, though!

I can't cease laughing seeing Carmen Sandiego with a picture of (skeleton) Manny Calavera representing her.

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longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/2/2006 11:26:34 AM | message detail
*looks at the first post*

Damn, and I thought my day was good.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/2/2006 11:30:30 AM | message detail
Nope. Gaming is always > sex.

As late as this may be, I gotta say somethin...maybe that all depends on your partners/your performance? >_>

*Looks into more recent topic affairs*

I still say we need a damn Tag Team Character Contest over any game contest.
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MarkSmith | Posted 9/2/2006 11:33:40 AM | message detail
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message detail Winning a contest is a lot of luck. Just because Ulti won a contest before doesn't mean he has a better chance of winning than anyone else.

After all, he had DK beating Vivi in 2004! What a loser!


No, I know that. But i singled him out because I know that if he answers he'll do a writeup instead of a one word answer that wont persuade me one way or another.

Im basically done editing my bracket other than Ganon/Vince and Samus/Crono

I have Zro winning his fourpack, I have Dante over Yoshi, I have Sonic over Vince/Ganon, I have Crono over Sonic, Megaman over Snake, and Crono over Megaman. And I'd seriously be surprised if a single one of those picks was wrong. As for the rest, maybe there will be another Castlevania-Halo or Knux-magus, but if there is, I just cant find it and am not gonna flip my bracket upside down trying to find a needle in a haystack.

So the only 2 matches I need now are the 2 I mentioned above. Im not as worried about the first, because Im confident Sonic can take either one. Im a firm believer in the noble nine.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/2/2006 11:38:58 AM | message detail
After witnessing what will be the horror of a 32-female field, please don't subject me to the even worse prospect of a Tag-Team Contest.

And not to be *too* biased, but if we're going to replace the Character Contest outright let's wait until after 2k7, shall we? It'd be a shame to stop right before the rising star of the Noble Nine finally gets his chance to shine... <__________<
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LinkLegend27 | Posted 9/2/2006 11:41:34 AM | message detail
Can somebody explain how the Guru Contest works, again?
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Yesmar | Posted 9/2/2006 11:55:52 AM | message detail
Remember, before the Series Contest every non-character contest that we held had disappointing vote totals -- Villains Contest, even the Games Contest. Games!

In all fairness, the Games Contest was getting pretty good votals for a Spring Contest, up until the site redesign.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/2/2006 11:57:25 AM | message detail
How would a tag team contest be worse? You wouldn't have to have such fodderistic stuff as the female bracket you know. You could have 64 teams of characters with GOOD strength.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 9/2/2006 11:58:30 AM | message detail
I agree with KH. We should wait until 2k8 before discarding the character contest, I want to see how much of a monster Snake becomes post-MGS4 and SSBB.

SNAKE TO SFF SAMUS!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 9/2/2006 11:59:07 AM | message detail
Yeah...and they would be in tag-teams. Blech.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 9/2/2006 12:00:33 PM | message detail
I don't see whats wrong with the concept of teams :(
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WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa
I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you?
plasmabeam | Posted 9/2/2006 12:02:46 PM | message detail
From: LinkLegend27 | Posted: 9/2/2006 12:41:34 PM | Message Detail
Can somebody explain how the Guru Contest works, again?


It's basically a last bracket standing contest among those who signed up. And it's fun to see people get knocked off.

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Wind Waker was as easy as a drunken hooker, I'll give you that. - ugly man
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