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| ExplicitAriel | Posted 9/1/2006 12:24:03 PM | message detail |
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If TP is released prior to Sonic/Gdorf, Vincent will be his most difficult match. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Angsty Mermaids. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/1/2006 12:27:13 PM | message detail |
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I like how people are writing off Vincent. IF Vincent was legit last
year, I can't see how he loses that match, even if Ganondorf is
stronger than Solid Snake. People are sorely underestimating how much
he's going to benefit from AC and DoC, seeing as how that 35.6 on BL
comes solely from his miniscule role in FF7. --- Commit it to memory. |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/1/2006 12:30:14 PM | message detail |
| But you said yourself that Vincent's performance against Crono may not be legitimate because of the AC leak or whatever it was. Even if he only overperformed by a couple of percentage points, he might not even come back as strong this year. Overperformance last year + a possible continuation of a drift toward Nintendo = weaker Vincent. |
| ExplicitAriel | Posted 9/1/2006 12:31:58 PM | message detail |
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I'm not totally writing off Vincent at all, I think Ganon is stronger
than him last year, and I've stated my opinion on AC maaaaaany times,
it won't do ****. It's all about DoC to me, if Vincent wins by a small
margin, I contribute everything to that game. Vincent/Ganon really is a
complete toss-up in my mind (part of the reason I can't stomach putting
Ganon > Sonic, far too risky for my tastes), I'm just going with my
first instincts. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Angsty Mermaids. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/1/2006 12:32:10 PM | message detail |
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Hence my capitalized 'IF'. Ganondorf could easily win that match. --- Commit it to memory. |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 9/1/2006 12:33:18 PM | message detail |
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Ganon's hardest match in my mind, assuming Twilight Princess hits
around Sonic/Ganon, is the one with Vincent. There is reason enough to
believe that Vincent is going to win that one, but there's also plenty
of reason to believe that Ganon is going to win that one too. If there
is any remnants of the Nintendo Boost still lingering around to help
out the Nintendo Crew, that'd be beneficial to Ganon to help against
AC/DoC -- my doubts rest in the formers ability to do anything; he has the same miniscule role in that. Now if Nintendo goes and does the unthinkable with an October 2nd launch, I think that'd be just peachy!! --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| XIII_rocks | Posted 9/1/2006 12:37:44 PM | message detail |
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IIRC the Euro release of KHII comes 9 days before VV/Ganon. It won't
help much, but it's more fuel to the ever-growing VV > Ganon fire. --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=22242738 Sign plz Hi-ho, Hi-ho, Z1m Zum, Z1m Zum...our guru champ. |
| XIII_rocks | Posted 9/1/2006 12:38:57 PM | message detail |
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Excuse my stupidity, HM, but why do you keep throwing around "October 2nd"? Why not October 1? --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=22242738 Sign plz Hi-ho, Hi-ho, Z1m Zum, Z1m Zum...our guru champ. |
| ExplicitAriel | Posted 9/1/2006 12:39:25 PM | message detail |
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For all you Yoshi lovers, I'd like to remind you that Devil May Cry 2 went Greatest Hits since the last contest. Oh yeah, baby.
Seriously though, DMC3 has doubled it's sales since the last contest
with the help of SE, and now DMC2 is going GH? Boost baby, boost! --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Angsty Mermaids. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/1/2006 12:40:08 PM | message detail |
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Maybe if Vincent was in KHII I'd take that more seriously, but as it
stands it'll contribute perhaps *slightly* to giving Square a bit more
of an edge with the European crowd. As in, it'll be negligible. --- Commit it to memory. |
| PartOfYourWorld | Posted 9/1/2006 12:40:37 PM | message detail |
| One of the main things that screams "overrated" about Vincent is Dante's placement last year. I just don't buy it. |
| ExplicitAriel | Posted 9/1/2006 12:41:11 PM | message detail |
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Because October 2nd is probably a Saturday... oh and Europe only makes
up like 12% of this site, not that KHII couldn't help him, but I've
never even been a fan of contributing 2K3 to KH, you'd think Sora would
be a lot stronger than he is, if his games could provide that massive
of boosts to cameos. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Angsty Mermaids. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/1/2006 12:41:31 PM | message detail |
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For all you Yoshi lovers, I'd like to remind you that Devil May Cry 2 went Greatest Hits since the last contest. Ew. How can something go GH when it never even existed? And still, ew. --- Commit it to memory. |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 9/1/2006 12:42:25 PM | message detail |
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IIRC the Euro release of KHII comes 9 days before VV/Ganon. It won't
help much, but it's more fuel to the ever-growing VV > Ganon fire. That will be a massive non-factor. Kingdom Hearts II isn't going to do much for Vincent since he's not actually in the game. We're not going to be seeing any type of big Square influx, so I wouldn't expect characters who don't appear to get much out of the game. This one should be much more about the roles. Excuse my stupidity, HM, but why do you keep throwing around "October 2nd"? Why not October 1? There was always that lingering rumor about Nintendo completely shocking the industry and releasing in America on October 2nd a while back. October 1st does fall more in line with their statements and history -- always release on a Sunday; Q4 2006. --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| ExplicitAriel | Posted 9/1/2006 12:42:56 PM | message detail |
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One of the main things that screams "overrated" about Vincent is Dante's placement last year. I just don't buy it. More like dead on! I've never been a fan of the Devil Division being overrated, yeah, I know this doesn't bode well for my Ganon > Vincent pick, but oh well, I think Ganon should be stronger than his place in the stats show, before any sort of Nintendo boost, so it doesn't matter so much to me, especially when I would adjust Samus up to Seph 2K4 numbers. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Angsty Mermaids. |
| ExplicitAriel | Posted 9/1/2006 12:43:37 PM | message detail |
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Ew. How can something go GH when it never even existed? And still, ew. I know... I was shocked as hell when I found out too! --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Angsty Mermaids. |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 9/1/2006 12:43:40 PM | message detail |
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One of the main things that screams "overrated" about Vincent is Dante's placement last year. I just don't buy it. If I ever had a problem with the Devil Division, that would be it. --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 9/1/2006 12:44:35 PM | message detail |
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http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=281645 The real key -- Devil May Cry Greatest Hits Set. Dun dun dun! --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| ExplicitAriel | Posted 9/1/2006 12:44:53 PM | message detail |
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The only reason I don't have a problem with Dante's position is I was
putting him at 30% on Link that year since before the contest started,
plus I'm a Dante fanboy. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Angsty Mermaids. |
| ExplicitAriel | Posted 9/1/2006 12:45:34 PM | message detail |
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HM always one ups me. :( --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Angsty Mermaids. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/1/2006 12:46:24 PM | message detail |
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I think Ganon should be stronger than his place in the stats show,
before any sort of Nintendo boost, so it doesn't matter so much to me,
especially when I would adjust Samus up to Seph 2K4 numbers. ...you think Ganon is stronger than Mega Man right now? --- Commit it to memory. |
| SowlLikesMen | Posted 9/1/2006 12:47:58 PM | message detail |
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Hell no... if I thought that I would already have Ganon > Sonic, the
only way I'm doing that is if Nintendo announces that TP will in fact
be out before that match, and I don't see that happening before the
12th. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Angsty Mermaids. |
| XIII_rocks | Posted 9/1/2006 12:48:28 PM | message detail |
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I know Vincent isn't in KHII, but will it not bring Square fans to the site? At all? And I know there's a lack of Europeans on the site, but it hardly matters. Anything that helps Vincent is just making it a bigger mountain for Ganon to climb, negligible as the factor might be. I'm feeling fairly confident in Vince. It's funny, really. Last year I didn't rate him at all, this year I have him beating a Top-15 character. --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=22242738 Sign plz Hi-ho, Hi-ho, Z1m Zum, Z1m Zum...our guru champ. |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 9/1/2006 12:49:04 PM | message detail |
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Heh. Unfortunately for those on the fence about the matter, Nintendo is
going to announce the date of the Wii/TP launch only a couple of days
after the bracket close. I have the faith!! --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| SowlLikesMen | Posted 9/1/2006 12:51:30 PM | message detail |
| All I can hope at this point is a leak about the launch date a couple days early. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/1/2006 12:51:32 PM | message detail |
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Adjusting Samus up to Seph 2k4 makes Ganon as strong as Snake before
any potential SFF from her...and if you go with around 2% (as most do),
you end up in that Crono/Mega Man/Sonic territory. --- Commit it to memory. |
| SowlLikesMen | Posted 9/1/2006 12:52:54 PM | message detail |
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Adjusting Samus up to Seph 2k4 makes Ganon as strong as Snake before
any potential SFF from her...and if you go with around 2% (as most do),
you end up in that Crono/Mega Man/Sonic territory. Which is where I'd put Ganon this year. If Ganon/Snake was a first round match-up, I'd take Ganon even if I think he might be a little bit behind in the stats, just for the upset potential, as it's 50/50 in my eyes. I don't buy Samus/Ganon SFF either by the way, so it doesn't affect me. |
| Eggplant Lord | Posted 9/1/2006 12:54:51 PM | message detail |
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From SowlLikesMen | Posted 9/1/2006 12:51:30 PM | #425 All I can hope at this point is a leak about the launch date a couple days early. It being Nintendo, don't count on it. -=- You. WILL. Eat. Healthily! *Nails you with an assortment of vitamin-rich vegetables* |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 9/1/2006 12:55:23 PM | message detail |
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All I can hope at this point is a leak about the launch date a couple days early. Nintendo and leaks don't happen. =p --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| SowlLikesMen | Posted 9/1/2006 12:56:26 PM | message detail |
| I know dammit... but I can still hope! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/1/2006 12:57:26 PM | message detail |
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I *do* buy some form of SFF however, so if Samus really is that strong
and Ganondorf is already in that Crono/Mega Man/Sonic range, then with
that plus TP he will take the main bracket. But under those circumstances I'm taking Auron over Crono thanks to gettin 46% on Ganon and KH2... --- Commit it to memory. |
| XIII_rocks | Posted 9/1/2006 12:57:33 PM | message detail |
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I don't believe in Samus/Ganon SFF either, purely because that's around
what I expected from the match and because I now know Samus can't SFF
anything. At the time, I believed, but not now. That said, I would take Ganon over Snake with almost no hesitation, even if the match took place weeks before TP. --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=22242738 Sign plz Hi-ho, Hi-ho, Z1m Zum, Z1m Zum...our guru champ. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/1/2006 12:59:41 PM | message detail |
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That said, I would take Ganon over Snake with almost no hesitation, even if the match took place weeks before TP. No Samus/Ganon SFF means that Ganondorf is well below Snake, unless you think like EC does and have Samus on Seph 2k4's level -- for comparison, she gets around 52.5% on Mario indirectly under those circumstances. --- Commit it to memory. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 9/1/2006 1:00:52 PM | message detail |
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And even then, they'd be DEAD even. Not thinking twice about a match that close isn't exactly smart... --- Commit it to memory. |
| SowlLikesMen | Posted 9/1/2006 1:01:19 PM | message detail |
| Which makes sense, considering Samus beats Mario with 56% the year before, and that puts into consideration Mario being slightly underrated. |
| SowlLikesMen | Posted 9/1/2006 1:01:45 PM | message detail |
| Not that I actually think Samus beats Mario in 2K4, I'm just going lol x-stats here. |
| charmander6000 | Posted 9/1/2006 1:02:03 PM | message detail |
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All I can hope at this point is a leak about the launch date a couple days early. Nintendo and leaks don't happen. =p That's probably because over 98% of the people working for Nintendo won't even know until the day they announce it. --- "I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 9/1/2006 1:04:09 PM | message detail |
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That said, I would take Ganon over Snake with almost no hesitation, even if the match took place weeks before TP. Then the reason you wouldn't take Ganon over Sonic would have to be purely out of your preference. Taking Ganon over Snake without hesitation pre-TP means that Sonic is within striking range without Twilight Princess. You might want to think about that. And if you don't think Ganon suffered some minor SFF against Samus, then you better be expecting him to be higher based on the Sephiroth match gap with Bowser or Samus to be indirectly stronger than Mario or something. --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| XIII_rocks | Posted 9/1/2006 1:06:47 PM | message detail |
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Samus to be indirectly stronger than Mario or something. Done. And when I said without hesitation, I meant...I know it would be very close, but I'm still pretty sure that Ganon would take it. Just. I didn't mean Ganon would blow Snake out of the water or anything. --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=22242738 Sign plz Hi-ho, Hi-ho, Z1m Zum, Z1m Zum...our guru champ. |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 9/1/2006 1:08:44 PM | message detail |
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Then you shouldn't be so against Ganon beating Sonic. If he gets Twilight Princess around that match, and he's already near Sonic, that match will never be question. You could book that all day. My current scenario puts him barely above 2005 Vincent. If he's slightly above Snake right now, the Noble Nine is going to be getting their ass kicked three times. --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| SowlLikesMen | Posted 9/1/2006 1:11:00 PM | message detail |
| Regardless of whether or not TP comes out, I'm expecting Sonic/Ganon to be a 52/48 affair. |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 9/1/2006 1:11:37 PM | message detail |
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To put this into perspective, if he's barely above Snake (33.88%) --
we'll up him at 34% -- then Sonic wins that match with 51.81% before Twilight Princess. --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 9/1/2006 1:12:52 PM | message detail |
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Hey, if he is around that level, I'm not complaining. That
beats out my scenario by about an extra 2% -- and I'll take everything
I can get. Ganon for the male bracket!! =p --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| SowlLikesMen | Posted 9/1/2006 1:14:10 PM | message detail |
| That's why if TP is released before it, I have absolutely no doubt Sonic wins that match, which I find funny because even if it were announced out before the contest, I think the majority still favors Sonic. |
| AmazingKirby | Posted 9/1/2006 1:14:25 PM | message detail |
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I hope Yuna beats Zelda and faces Samus, so we can finally be assured that Rikku is stronger when she performs better on Samus! --- caps |
| Tediz247 | Posted 9/1/2006 1:14:33 PM | message detail |
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Hopefully Ganon/Vincent/Sonic plays out much like the Frog/Liquid/Chief
fourpack. I have Sonic > Vincent, but I'd sacrifice my bracket to
see either Vincent or Ganon beat Sonic. By the way, what's wrong with Dante's placement? He probably underperformed aginst Sonic in 2K4 due to a terrible pic, and DMC3 was the DMC series' return to glory. No reason why he wouldn't get quite a boost from it. --- That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end. ZSB [aX] |
| SowlLikesMen | Posted 9/1/2006 1:15:26 PM | message detail |
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I hope Yuna beats Zelda ATTN: Brain. Stop reading. |
| XIII_rocks | Posted 9/1/2006 1:15:54 PM | message detail |
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I'm not against Ganon > Sonic by any stretch. I know it could
happen, easily in fact. A while ago I posted a fourpack of fun that was
something like Post-TP Ganon/Sonic and PostDOC Vince/Snake (both NNers
being pre-their next gen games). I had Ganon winning. I just don't
think that TP will help Ganon in this match, because the release date
will either be too close to the match, or past the match so it won't
happen. If you buy a Wii on launch day, or a couple of days after,
you're not going to waste time voting for Ganon on a gaming website,
you're going to be setting up and playing your console. Next year, with the right placement, I can see Ganon going deep into the tournament - and, yes, beating many of the NN along the way. It's just too soon this time. --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=22242738 Sign plz Hi-ho, Hi-ho, Z1m Zum, Z1m Zum...our guru champ. |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 9/1/2006 1:17:52 PM | message detail |
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No reason why he wouldn't get quite a boost from it. He got, what, 5% from that? The game hadn't even sold that well at the time either. --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| AmazingKirby | Posted 9/1/2006 1:17:56 PM | message detail |
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I said "hope", not "expect to happen this century." --- caps |