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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 353
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| Master Moltar | Posted 8/31/2006 6:23:59 PM | message detail |
| Heh, I was having a convo with Dp the other night about MC/Subbie.
He had MC was confident, but after I got done with him, he wasn't so
sure anymore! I see MC/Sub as a 53-47 match right now in favor of MC. It lines up with what I think DK would get on Sub. Donkey Kong (2004c) VS Scorpion (2004c) Donkey Kong has a strength of 23.55. Scorpion has a strength of 20.65. Donkey Kong wins with 56.16% of the vote! A win of 9,960 with 80,883 total votes cast. Factor in a 2-4% Nintendo boost for DK, and Sub being stronger than Scorps and it lines up. Of course, then MC is going to go overperform on Auron and yet again, we are left in the dark about everything (yep, Auron's still a mystery as well, unless his match with Crono isn't funny). --- Moltar Status: Bracket filled and ready to go. 2006 is the year of Samus Aran |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/31/2006 6:27:48 PM | message detail |
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you can blame me for some of that too. I even convinced him to give me back MC/Sub for the Analysis Crew! --- xyzzy |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/31/2006 6:33:34 PM | message detail |
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The one thing that keeps me from taking Sub-Zero with ease in that
match is that he's not *nearly* as iconic as Ryu. I mean, it'd be one
thing if Sub-Zero had main character status as Liu Kang does in the
games (and seeing as how he's the 4-time MK champion, I think we can
safely say Liu is MK's main character). As it stands, he's like
Scorpion -- a fan favorite. And among the general population, Scorpion
is actually a *bigger* fan favorite. But this isn't the general population, it's GameFAQs. And Scorpion actually gets a fair bit of hate here due to his overexposure and overly 'badass' design (sorta like Duke Nukem) -- not comparable to the flak Liu Kang gets, but I could see a well-liked character like Raiden challenging him. Sub-Zero happens to be the most well-liked ninja, has cool moves, has a mysterious background, has his own game (as bad as it was, it shows that he was popular enough to warrant it in the first place), and has been a centerpiece of MK since its inception. So all in all he'll be stronger than Scorpion -- and it should be significant, too. But he just won't be able to establish that Ryu/Ken relationship. If by some chance he was able to, we'd have to seriously consider our stance on the most popular fighting game character on GameFAQs today. Just curious -- who would people take in a Master Chief/Ryu match? --- Commit it to memory. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/31/2006 6:37:49 PM | message detail |
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Ryu. It'd be no blow-out, but I'd feel pretty good about it. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| Master Moltar | Posted 8/31/2006 6:38:11 PM | message detail |
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Ryu. It'd be no blow-out, but I'd feel pretty good about it. QFT --- Moltar Status: Bracket filled and ready to go. 2006 is the year of Samus Aran |
| WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/31/2006 6:38:51 PM | message detail |
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Chief breaks 40% on Auron with ease. well, I dunno about "ease", but he'll probably get 41 or 42. Yeah, and if Scorp could only get 35 on Auron, then he probably couldn't beat Chief. Which means Subby prolly couldn't either unless you think Subby is a lot stronger than Scorp, or Chiefy was stronger in 04 than he is now? I mean, maybe Subby doesn't have to be THAT much stronger than Scorp, unless MK got a much bigger rise from those XBox games than we thought? --- WigFan267 (Now with 86% less Gum and 25% less wigs) : Owned by Z1mmy Since 1987 Happily married to Alanna82 on VDay 2005 |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/31/2006 6:40:13 PM | message detail |
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Ryu, and I wouldn't think twice. also, I'd compare Liu Kang in MK to being like Guile in SF. yeah he's the "main character" in his own little way, but Ryu/Ken/Chunners are the big names in SF while Scorpion and Sub-Zero are in MK. no way is Liu Kang stronger than Sub or Scorp, either on GF or anywhere else. --- xyzzy |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/31/2006 6:41:18 PM | message detail |
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wasn't Sub-Zero's game the worst in the series by a longshot? Well, almost every Mortal Kombat game is about as terrible as you can get...but Sub-Zero's does indeed take the cake for the worst. That thing was terrible. --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/31/2006 6:41:52 PM | message detail |
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you're looking at this the wrong way, Wigs. Master Chief got 38% on Crono while Felix
got 47% on him. hell, CATS held him under 70. trying to extrapolate
anything involving Master Chief is fluky because he defies the
transivity that the x-stats assume. --- xyzzy |
| Super Luigi | Posted 8/31/2006 6:43:20 PM | message detail |
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Sub Zero is taking down Master Chief. Master Chief almost lost to DONKEY KONG for christs sakes. --- Currently playing : Resident Evil 4(GC),NCAA Football 07(Xbox),Kirby Canvas Curse(DS). XBL Gamertag - SuPer MiKe 86. |
| Super Luigi | Posted 8/31/2006 6:44:16 PM | message detail |
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And the Mortal Kombat games this generation have been pretty good. And they're getting better as each one comes out. --- Currently playing : Resident Evil 4(GC),NCAA Football 07(Xbox),Kirby Canvas Curse(DS). XBL Gamertag - SuPer MiKe 86. |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/31/2006 6:44:59 PM | message detail |
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Master Chief almost lost to DONKEY KONG for christs sakes. And guess who Donkey Kong would likely beat! --- Character Battle V Score - 0/0 points Current Prediction - Samus Aran vs. Nidoran F |
| Cavalier Lowen | Posted 8/31/2006 6:45:32 PM | message detail |
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Eh, I'd take DK over Sub-Zero without a thought, why wouldn't I do the same for MC? I'll stick with MC in that one. --- Z1mZum owned me in the guru contest (by two points!). Damn you Z1mZum! |
| ImNotFrench | Posted 8/31/2006 6:45:46 PM | message detail |
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N9 is DOOOMED === would you wear a shirt or be like "Screw this!" and boldly expose your nipples even though it's illegal?-ProTect |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/31/2006 6:49:47 PM | message detail |
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Isn't Scorpion equal to Ness? --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them.” - Vivi0198 |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/31/2006 6:52:14 PM | message detail |
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though I'll say this - Sub / MC reminds me of Mario Kart / Mega Man,
where people's first and second reactions are that Master Chief will
take it until people start arguing using numbers and stats to try to
find an upset. --- xyzzy |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/31/2006 6:53:52 PM | message detail |
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Eh, I'd take DK over Sub-Zero without a thought, Indeed. --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| Master Moltar | Posted 8/31/2006 6:55:03 PM | message detail |
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Wow, the BOP is 57-2 on MC/Sub. Not many people jumping on that upset train. But Claire as 23 brackets to Kairi's 36! This upset train is gaining steam! --- Moltar Status: Bracket filled and ready to go. 2006 is the year of Samus Aran |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/31/2006 6:57:01 PM | message detail |
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yeah, it was 37-0 a couple days ago. kinda surprised at how one-sided Zelda/Aeris is too. --- xyzzy |
| Master Moltar | Posted 8/31/2006 6:59:09 PM | message detail |
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Being gone for 2 years while your opponent received 46% on Snake and has TP in her corner does that to you. --- Moltar Status: Bracket filled and ready to go. 2006 is the year of Samus Aran |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/31/2006 6:59:28 PM | message detail |
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It's pretty surprising how one sided the MC/Sub-Zero upset is. You'd
figure that one would have more favor to Sub-Zero than it does. The Zelda/Aeris match is more understandable though. There are way too many advantages in Zelda's favor, I think, to pick Aeris in that match. --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/31/2006 6:59:50 PM | message detail |
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though I'll say this - Sub / MC reminds me of Mario Kart / Mega Man,
where people's first and second reactions are that Master Chief will
take it until people start arguing using numbers and stats to try to
find an upset. True to a point, but then again, let's not forget that the only numbers we had to run off of at ALL was Mega Man's character strength, Protoman's strength, Dr. Wily's, you could say Zero's and Sigma's too if you like, three PotD's, and Mario Kart's likely-to-be second-strongest game being #61 on the Top 100 List...and we tried to judge how the SERIES would do based off of such information, which was hard as hell yet all we could do. Here though, we have plenty more information now than we ever will in the Series Contest -- over-thinkin' like that isn't nearly as bad because you have alot more reasonable information to deal with. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/31/2006 7:00:07 PM | message detail |
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What's changed to make you think this, exactly? I'm a firm believer that Crono merely has his small ups and downs in these things, but that in reality he stays pretty consistent per year. Meanwhile Samus, who was also consistent for the most part till the big "Nintendo" increase, still only had about three accomplishments last contest season. One, exposing Frog to be a total jobber. Two, making herself well heard with a solid blowout against Yuri, course he was probably the most fodderistic character of the 8 seeds. And three, a decent SFFing of Ganondorf. What else did she do in the contest? Get backhanded by Mario? Then you have Crono's accomplishments. He gives Zidane a pretty good SFF blowout, I'd say Zidane is more than likely stronger than Yuri in any case. After that we have a good beatdown of Vercetti, but in this point Samus probably looks better than Crono simply for exposing a member of his own game and someone who could whoop Tommy's ass. Crono then has to deal with MC, and people call him out on his performance here many a time as being "weaker" now. Meh, I say he did perfectly fine. It is in the later stages that he shines. A solid 56-44 SFFing of a strong, steam propelled Vincent entry is shown. Then ya got his battle against Mega Man, and a great match the two have, but Crono pulls it on out against him. Then he gets another bout with Mario, and people ham it up as he loses "poorly". So to sum up that bit of text..... Crono > Mega Man > Samus > Sonic... <_<...>_> --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/31/2006 7:01:43 PM | message detail |
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As far as MC/Sub is concerned, Master Chief always pulls through in the
close matches he's expected to win. He bombs, but wins nonetheless and
I will continue to take him in matches where he's the favorite until he
actually goes and loses a match he was supposed to win. --- Character Battle V Score - 0/0 points Current Prediction - Samus Aran vs. Nidoran F |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/31/2006 7:01:55 PM | message detail |
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hiko, that entire argument was bloody insane, and I would like to
commend you for ignoring logic and reason as much as possible to
concoct it. No sarcasm here, either. =D --- Commit it to memory. |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/31/2006 7:03:44 PM | message detail |
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It wasn't meant to be in your face with x-stats and reasons why his
side of the spectrum was wrong or anything though. It was more of just
a general statement than an argument really :P --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/31/2006 7:03:48 PM | message detail |
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I don't know - overthinking three year old data and trying to assume
it's worth anything (especially in regards to Master friggin' Chief)
seems a little tough. rather than try and look at it with statistics,
I'm just asking myself who's more popular on GF - MC or Sub? I think
Sub is by a hair, but obviously I'm in the minority here. --- xyzzy |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/31/2006 7:04:46 PM | message detail |
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Mega Man > Samus Don't listen to Karma Hunter's nasty little pro-Mega Man propaganda~! --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/31/2006 7:05:11 PM | message detail |
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We hardly have any data on Subby though. Thats another one of my points
though. Sometimes you don't need data and clear facts to figure stuff
out. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| AmazingKirby | Posted 8/31/2006 7:05:28 PM | message detail |
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I think people think people like Sub too much because they all like Sub themselves. =O --- caps |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/31/2006 7:05:58 PM | message detail |
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As far as MC/Sub is concerned, Master Chief always pulls through in the close matches he's expected to win. he did that what.. once? well twice I guess, but I don't really see Felix as being a legit threat no matter how close he got. it's not like we had any reason to believe Frog was stronger than Master Chief in the first place, it was just a hunch. plus if you look at 2k3, it's not hard to conclude that MC was weak. --- xyzzy |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/31/2006 7:07:12 PM | message detail |
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Don't listen to Karma Hunter's nasty little pro-Mega Man propaganda~! As sexist as this will come off, Mega Man > Samus because there both basically two folks with guns and special projectile powahs, only ones male and the others female <_< oh, and I've enjoyed Mega Man and Mega Man X games much more than most Metroid stuff. Although MPH, some GBA Metroid stuff, and Super Metroid rock tha house. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/31/2006 7:09:23 PM | message detail |
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you're looking at this the wrong way, Wigs. Master Chief got 38% on
Crono while Felix got 47% on him. hell, CATS held him under 70. trying
to extrapolate anything involving Master Chief is fluky because he
defies the transivity that the x-stats assume. Yeah, but that really only has a large affect if you take it out far, I'mjust talking both (or Scorp anyway, since he's close enough to Subby) direct vs. one character, Auron. First anyway, Chiefy was gettin mad hates, much more than he does now in 03, but that's not really important anymore anyway =P. Also, keep in mind Zero scored 63% on both Ryu Hayabusa and Scorpion, though I admit that's shaky use because it's different years, but it gives us an idea, and I wouldn't think that much about putting Chiefy over Hayabusa, even if I ignore XBox SFF. Still, it's a very possible outcome, yeah. Like, just flat out, and such, something like someone like Subby beating Chief seems reasonable for this site anyway =P. --- WigFan267 (Now with 86% less Gum and 25% less wigs) : Owned by Z1mmy Since 1987 Happily married to Alanna82 on VDay 2005 |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/31/2006 7:09:40 PM | message detail |
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Well, Sub-Zero is going to get a ton of votes regardless from people
who still simply don't care about Master Chief, Halo, and the Xbox as a
whole (i.e. never voting for Master Chief), then you have on the other side those people who vote Master Chief over anything. You have to weigh how much those cancel each other out before you even start on who is generally more popular... --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/31/2006 7:10:05 PM | message detail |
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Keep in mind the Xbox hate and/or apathy was more rampant back in the
day then it is now, Transter. I haven't seen the votals on MC/Felix in
awhile, but I'm pretty sure they were fairly low. I'd kinda think low
votals might hurt the Chief a bit. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/31/2006 7:10:07 PM | message detail |
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Oh, and I realise I was being hypocritical in using the Zero/Ryu H.
thing with the stats getting skewed when you take it out too far.
Equals P. --- WigFan267 (Now with 86% less Gum and 25% less wigs) : Owned by Z1mmy Since 1987 Happily married to Alanna82 on VDay 2005 |
| Master Moltar | Posted 8/31/2006 7:10:27 PM | message detail |
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Whaa? Zero Suit Samus would beat Mega Man worse than the suited version would! Believe it! --- Moltar Status: Bracket filled and ready to go. 2006 is the year of Samus Aran |
| WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/31/2006 7:11:08 PM | message detail |
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Keep in mind the Xbox hate and/or apathy was more rampant back in
the day then it is now, Transter. I haven't seen the votals on MC/Felix
in awhile, but I'm pretty sure they were fairly low. I'd kinda think
low votals might hurt the Chief a bit. 53/47ish. But totallly, Master Chief would break 60 at least on Felix now, I would imagine. --- WigFan267 (Now with 86% less Gum and 25% less wigs) : Owned by Z1mmy Since 1987 Happily married to Alanna82 on VDay 2005 |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/31/2006 7:11:40 PM | message detail |
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Zero Suit Samus would beat Mega Man worse than the suited version would! Believe it! Fact! --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/31/2006 7:11:44 PM | message detail |
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The only time you could legimately take TJF seriously was like 02 and maybe a few Tifa matches <_< --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/31/2006 7:13:12 PM | message detail |
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I'd hope he would. all I'm saying is that, based on what you knew about
Master Chief from 2k3, picking Frog in 2k4 was a pretty obvious pick.
you could say that he was underrated going into that year. --- xyzzy |
| WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/31/2006 7:14:25 PM | message detail |
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The only time you could legimately take TJF seriously was like 02 and maybe a few Tifa matches <_< The funny thing is Luigi benefited more from TJF in that match than Tifa did, I'd reckon. --- WigFan267 (Now with 86% less Gum and 25% less wigs) : Owned by Z1mmy Since 1987 Happily married to Alanna82 on VDay 2005 |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/31/2006 7:15:34 PM | message detail |
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He uhh...he did? I didn't realize Luigi had implants...>_> --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/31/2006 7:19:09 PM | message detail |
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Haha, well, technically I guess you would call it To_OF. I mean, Tifa had TJF yeah. Luigi obviously saw this. UNDENIBALE VICTORY. ....except he lost. Yeah. --- WigFan267 (Now with 86% less Gum and 25% less wigs) : Owned by Z1mmy Since 1987 Happily married to Alanna82 on VDay 2005 |
| NewLib | Posted 8/31/2006 7:19:57 PM | message detail |
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Luigi/Tifa is still probably my favorite match pic with Luigi just gaping at them. --- --NL-- Z1mZum made me look like Toadette. And made me nominate her. |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/31/2006 7:20:46 PM | message detail |
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Snake/Sora was the best pic ever. Even better than the fabled Pong/Tetris pic. --- Character Battle V Score - 0/0 points Current Prediction - Samus Aran vs. Nidoran F |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/31/2006 7:21:03 PM | message detail |
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Wow, the BOP is 57-2 on MC/Sub. Not many people jumping on that upset train. Mega Man/Mario Kart was heavily favoured for Mega Man at first wasn't it? Then somebody got the upset train rolling and made what was an obvious seeming match questionable. TuRtLe ~~~ lol Z1mZum | BSE Contest final score: 61 pts Nominate Carmen Sandiego for Character Battle V |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/31/2006 7:21:04 PM | message detail |
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Too bad DK didn't get the same treatment in DK/Aya :( --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/31/2006 7:23:27 PM | message detail |
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Actually, I don't remember who Picked between Frog/MC. I just remember
Frog was new, and I wasn't sure if he could put up Crono or Magus-esque
numbers.... Magus before 2005 anyway. I may hvae picked Frog, but I
really can't recall. But anyway, yeah I see what you're saying, and Chiefy definitley had a much better 04 than 05. But while Frog fell victim to the same dip Magus experienced, he was still strong in 04, clearly. I mean... that means Chief almost was as strong as Snake in 04. Weird and creepy. --- WigFan267 (Now with 86% less Gum and 25% less wigs) : Owned by Z1mmy Since 1987 Happily married to Alanna82 on VDay 2005 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/31/2006 7:24:34 PM | message detail |
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But while Frog fell victim to the same dip Magus experienced, he was
still strong in 04, clearly. I mean... that means Chief almost was as
strong as Snake in 04. Weird and creepy. By all means, believe this! --- Commit it to memory. |