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| Draco1214 | Posted 8/30/2006 4:21:35 PM | message detail |
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I don't know why it would tell us much about Yoshi/Dante. Yoshi SFFd the crap out of Pac-Man. --- Character Battle V Score - 0/0 points Current Prediction - Samus Aran vs. Nidoran F |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/30/2006 4:27:48 PM | message detail |
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Ah yes, SFF. Shame the only legit match we had in 2k5 for Yoshi was
against Laharl...but then that has him losing to Dante decisively
enough, so I'll carry on with my Dante>Yoshi thinking. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/30/2006 4:28:49 PM | message detail |
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I'm actually kinda surprised Dante isn't the favorite against Yoshi. It took me a few split seconds to pick Dante in that match. --- Character Battle V Score - 0/0 points Current Prediction - Samus Aran vs. Nidoran F |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2006 4:29:27 PM | message detail |
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It also has him losing to Luigi decisively enough, and it's not like we can use Vyse for comparison. Now, I won't be *totally* shocked if Dante beats Yoshi despite how confident I am in Yoshi winning. I will, however, get very worried for Sonic. --- Commit it to memory. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2006 4:30:20 PM | message detail |
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Dante isn't the favorite because if you take Yoshi's match against Luigi at face value he's stronger. Simple as that. --- Commit it to memory. |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/30/2006 4:31:27 PM | message detail |
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No matter how you slice it, 46% against Vincent is damn good and that's more impressive than anything Yoshi's ever done. --- Character Battle V Score - 0/0 points Current Prediction - Samus Aran vs. Nidoran F |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2006 4:32:09 PM | message detail |
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I don't agree at all with basing Yoshi off of Laharl. Not only has he
beaten Luigi straight up, but he also outperformed Luigi on Pac-Man.
He's obviously at least a bit stronger than Luigi. Take it how you want
from there. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2006 4:33:45 PM | message detail |
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When has Yoshi ever had a chance? The last time he went out in a
(relatively) SFF free match, he's worth 44% on Bowser if you want to go
by 2k3 (which, by the way, I find more impressive than 46% on Vincent).
And then there's doing *much* better on Luigi than Tifa did on him. --- Commit it to memory. |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/30/2006 4:35:02 PM | message detail |
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Pre-Nintendo boost, Vincent takes down Bowser without much trouble. --- Character Battle V Score - 0/0 points Current Prediction - Samus Aran vs. Nidoran F |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/30/2006 4:35:04 PM | message detail |
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There's something about the Patriot Division that just smells fishy to me overall though. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2006 4:35:45 PM | message detail |
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Pre-Nintendo boost, Vincent takes down Bowser without much trouble. Good thing both Bowser and Yoshi are Nintendo! --- Commit it to memory. |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/30/2006 4:36:52 PM | message detail |
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Whose to say the Nintendo boost really benefit'd Yoshi after he got dominated by Mega Man. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/30/2006 4:37:15 PM | message detail |
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Yes, but Bowser wasn't the beast we all know back in 2003. Hell, the
way Bowser handled him back then, I'd say Yoshi's performance was
underwhelming. --- Character Battle V Score - 0/0 points Current Prediction - Samus Aran vs. Nidoran F |
| WilhuffTarkin | Posted 8/30/2006 4:37:31 PM | message detail |
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Pre-Nintendo boost, Vincent takes down Bowser without much trouble Assumptions. --- Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances. |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2006 4:37:31 PM | message detail |
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Whose to say the Nintendo boost really benefit'd Yoshi after he got dominated by Mega Man. After he outperformed Luigi against Pac-Man? Yeah. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/30/2006 4:38:09 PM | message detail |
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I've seen people mention that the ending of MGS3 is the reason so many
people like The Boss...but in the same ending, you find out that Naked
Snake = Big Boss, so how is this a valid argument for The Boss > Big
Boss? It also has him losing to Luigi decisively enough, and it's not like we can use Vyse for comparison. Not every rematch would go the same way, you know. Much as Dante would now beat Yoshi, it's possible that Luigi would now beat Yoshi. If you keep Bowser > Yoshi and Yoshi > Luigi with the same ratios, Bowser is now > Sonic, and frighteningly close to Crono. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/30/2006 4:38:34 PM | message detail |
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But...its Pac-Man. Does an overperformance on the Scotty 2 Hotty of this contest really matter too much? --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/30/2006 4:38:50 PM | message detail |
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Assumptions. Vincent (2005c) VS Bowser (2003c) Vincent has a strength of 35.58. Bowser has a strength of 30.97. Vincent wins with 56.48% of the vote! A win of 12,270 with 94,697 total votes cast. --- Character Battle V Score - 0/0 points Current Prediction - Samus Aran vs. Nidoran F |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2006 4:38:58 PM | message detail |
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Yes, but Bowser wasn't the beast we all know back in 2003. Hell, the
way Bowser handled him back then, I'd say Yoshi's performance was
underwhelming. You're implying that the match would go much differently today. Feel free to if you'd like to be wrong. --- Commit it to memory. |
| WilhuffTarkin | Posted 8/30/2006 4:39:56 PM | message detail |
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And yet we'll never know for fact. Making any speculation on who would win an assumption. --- Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances. |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2006 4:40:02 PM | message detail |
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As for Bowser 2k3, he didn't exactly get to go out in the most
favorable condition. The sprite round was pretty favorable towards
FFVII characters IMO. 3D models that weren't even ripped from in-game?
Where were the lego field models? --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/30/2006 4:40:50 PM | message detail |
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And hell, that percentage assumes that Vincent would not have benefited from the huge Square voting pool shift. --- Character Battle V Score - 0/0 points Current Prediction - Samus Aran vs. Nidoran F |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2006 4:41:55 PM | message detail |
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Not every rematch would go the same way, you know. Much as Dante
would now beat Yoshi, it's possible that Luigi would now beat Yoshi. *ahem* WRONG! If you keep Bowser > Yoshi and Yoshi > Luigi with the same ratios, Bowser is now > Sonic, and frighteningly close to Crono. There's likely *some* SFF in the mix between the matches, it just wouldn't matter when Dante and Luigi are so close to begin with. You're basically arguing to me that Luigi is nearly Yoshi's equal without SFF to make me believe this. --- Commit it to memory. |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/30/2006 4:42:07 PM | message detail |
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...Yeah, that's quite a Square shift we've had on the site. Y'know, cause Square did so well in the last contest and all. --- "Who knew that head wounds bled so much?" ~ Kieran, Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/30/2006 4:42:32 PM | message detail |
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You're implying that the match would go much differently today. Feel free to if you'd like to be wrong. And why wouldn't it go differently? Ratios from previous years (especially on a match that's two years old) do not necessarily have to hold up. --- Character Battle V Score - 0/0 points Current Prediction - Samus Aran vs. Nidoran F |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2006 4:43:00 PM | message detail |
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But...its Pac-Man. Does an overperformance on the Scotty 2 Hotty of this contest really matter too much? Two Nintendo characters from the same series not only have a direct matchup, but have matchups against the same charcter in which the stronger character outperforms the weaker as expected. Just because it's Pac-Man doesn't make much of a difference. The writing is on the wall. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2006 4:43:09 PM | message detail |
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...Yeah, that's quite a Square shift we've had on the site. Y'know, cause Square did so well in the last contest and all. You do know this is a hypothetical 2k3 matchup, right? --- Commit it to memory. |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/30/2006 4:43:13 PM | message detail |
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...Yeah, that's quite a Square shift we've had on the site. Y'know, cause Square did so well in the last contest and all. I was talking about if Vincent/Bowser would have occured in 2003. --- Character Battle V Score - 0/0 points Current Prediction - Samus Aran vs. Nidoran F |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/30/2006 4:43:47 PM | message detail |
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*three years old. Bah. --- Character Battle V Score - 0/0 points Current Prediction - Samus Aran vs. Nidoran F |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2006 4:45:15 PM | message detail |
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And why wouldn't it go differently? Ratios from previous years
(especially on a match that's two years old) do not necessarily have to
hold up. Because it's a SFF match. There's a reason why virtually every Nintendo, and *especially* every MARIO character boosted like crazy last year. You want me to buy Mario, Bowser, Luigi all boosting heavily...but Yoshi gets kicked to the wayside? Why? --- Commit it to memory. |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/30/2006 4:45:50 PM | message detail |
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I did not. I apologize. But! Square hasn't so much gotten weaker in an
absolute sense since 2k3 (they still beat up non-Nintendo entries
pretty well) as Nintendo has gotten much stronger, so I don't think
Vincent would have been noticeably stronger in 2k3. --- "Who knew that head wounds bled so much?" ~ Kieran, Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance |
| WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/30/2006 4:46:59 PM | message detail |
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Yoshi in NSMB would've been cool, but I guess that'd ruin the point. --- WiggedOut267 (Now 32.35% more... wigged out...) : Owned by Z1mmy Since 1987 Happily married to Alanna82 on VDay 2005 |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/30/2006 4:47:11 PM | message detail |
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The writing is on the wall. I know. All I'm saying is, we already gathered the fact that Yoshi can prove to be stronger than Luigi, so what does another outperformance matter? All I was gettin at is that Luigi and Yoshi just can't get past big time upper midcard characters. They'll cream the ok and so-so guys, but theres just some folk they can't handle. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2006 4:48:29 PM | message detail |
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52-48 on a near-elite speaks otherwise to me. Just because they haven't
had the chance to spread their wings doesn't mean they can't pull it
off. Bowser never really got to shine before 2k5, that didn't stop him
from going 50/50 with Snake. --- Commit it to memory. |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2006 4:48:33 PM | message detail |
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I'm not so sold on Dante really being past that level myself... --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/30/2006 4:48:37 PM | message detail |
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You want me to buy Mario, Bowser, Luigi all boosting heavily...but Yoshi gets kicked to the wayside? Why? Because Yoshi was rather underwhelming last year especially compared to his fellow series characters. Besides, it's not like Dante didn't get a crazy boost last year. --- Character Battle V Score - 0/0 points Current Prediction - Samus Aran vs. Nidoran F |
| WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/30/2006 4:49:05 PM | message detail |
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The writing is on the wall. NINETEEN SIXTY.... FIVE FIVE FIVE FIVE!!! Lol, not too hard a song. --- WiggedOut267 (Now 32.35% more... wigged out...) : Owned by Z1mmy Since 1987 Happily married to Alanna82 on VDay 2005 |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/30/2006 4:50:39 PM | message detail |
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I'm not so sold on Dante really being past that level myself... Oh I have my doubts too, don't worry, but the more I think on it, the more I can see him pullin it off. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2006 4:51:10 PM | message detail |
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Yoshi never had a chance to spread his wings! Laharl? Unreliable
fodder, as evidenced by him ending up above Vyse despite losing 60-40
to him the year before. Expecting them to stay perfectly constant is
foolish. Pac-Man, SFF -- and he ended up outperforming Luigi on him
too. Mega Man, SFF -- it's all the same! Put him in Luigi's position
and he'll have that same great match with KOS-MOS, and likely edge out
Tifa. --- Commit it to memory. |
| WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/30/2006 4:53:05 PM | message detail |
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Because Yoshi was rather underwhelming last year especially compared to his fellow series characters. Yoshi's case was hard to judge last year. Using Laharl is your best bet. Pac-Man had SFF I'd bet so that's a bad match to use. And any member of the Noble 9 can SFF easily to an exponential degree. --- WiggedOut267 (Now 32.35% more... wigged out...) : Owned by Z1mmy Since 1987 Happily married to Alanna82 on VDay 2005 |
| Master Moltar | Posted 8/30/2006 5:03:02 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, there's no way you can say that we got a good read on Yoshi last
year. It seems that he's still a tad stronger than Luigi (indirectly,
but more so directly), but that's about it. Yoshi/Tifa would be a pain,
but I'd pick Tifa in a close match. Yoshi/Dante is 50-50 for me. I probably should go with Yoshi, but I feel more confident in Dante, even though his number may be inflated. --- Moltar Status: Bracket filled and ready to go. 2006 is the year of Samus Aran |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/30/2006 5:07:27 PM | message detail |
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Something tells me Tifa would do even better on Yoshi than Luigi, screwing tons of numbers over. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| shadow8021 | Posted 8/30/2006 5:09:09 PM | message detail |
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The entire Devil Division's numbers were most likely inflated, although
IU think Vincent is probaly as strong as his value states, perhaps even
a little stronger... --- Character Battle Score: 0/0 Next Pick: lol Samus > Nidoran F |
| Tediz247 | Posted 8/30/2006 5:14:14 PM | message detail |
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I still don't get the argument that the Devil Division was overrated.
If you take that division at face value and adjust a bit for
Bowser/Snake, then all of a sudden Kirby's ridiculous boost makes a lot
more sense. After all, Squall probably really is that strong. He was
behind major SFF in 2K3 and 2K4. --- That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end. ZSB [aX] |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2006 5:16:52 PM | message detail |
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Link/Samus 2k3 is suddenly major SFF now? --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/30/2006 5:17:20 PM | message detail |
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Hey, don't look at me <_< --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| Tediz247 | Posted 8/30/2006 5:17:54 PM | message detail |
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I don't see why it wouldn't be, unless you're willing to believe that
Mario can dish out some heavy SFF to Samus while Link can't. --- That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end. ZSB [aX] |
| WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/30/2006 5:19:35 PM | message detail |
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I'd like to guess Yoshi and Luigi are almost equal, when not fighting each other. --- WiggedOut267 (Now 32.35% more... wigged out...) : Owned by Z1mmy Since 1987 Happily married to Alanna82 on VDay 2005 |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2006 5:22:08 PM | message detail |
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She might have been SFF'd a tad in 2k3, but I certainly wouldn't call it major.
She stood up to Link rather well looking at what Mario did to her. What
that reason is I still don't know, although I put it on people just not
liking Link's WW incarnation as much, allowing Samus to stand up to
him... But she certainly didn't get SFF'd that much, at least compared to Squall/Cloud. That was major. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/30/2006 5:24:30 PM | message detail |
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Not every rematch would go the same way, you know. Much as Dante
would now beat Yoshi, it's possible that Luigi would now beat Yoshi. *ahem* WRONG! Uh, I meant Dante would now beat Ryu. Stupid typos... --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |