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| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/30/2006 3:08:18 PM | message detail |
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Ganon kicks your nuts, sir. Those who have not gotten far enough in Zelda games to witness the amazing Ganon have no room to speak~! --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/30/2006 3:08:28 PM | message detail |
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Banjo-Tooie was such a let down after Kazooie, I mean it was still
good, but damn. Speaking of third installments of games, everyone
should go out and buy Xenosaga III today. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids - Team Tranny Did! |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/30/2006 3:09:01 PM | message detail |
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everyone should go out and buy Xenosaga III today. Yikes. I'm no masochist! --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/30/2006 3:09:05 PM | message detail |
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Those who have not gotten far enough in Zelda games to witness the amazing Ganon have no room to speak~! I already said I fought him in OoT you pig-loving hippie! --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids - Team Tranny Did! |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/30/2006 3:09:27 PM | message detail |
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I'd buy Xenosaga III if I had any bloody money. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/30/2006 3:10:04 PM | message detail |
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Yikes. I'm no masochist! Well thank the heavens for that one! That's one more copy of X3 sold. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids - Team Tranny Did! |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/30/2006 3:11:21 PM | message detail |
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I already said I fought him in OoT you pig-loving hippie! Everyone becomes a Ganon fanboy after The Wind Waker, not before! You and that blasted Leonhart need to think about fixing this!! --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2006 3:11:37 PM | message detail |
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Those who have not gotten far enough in Zelda games to witness the amazing Ganon have no room to speak~! And for those who have done so in all of them and consider him (on the average) intolerable? I will admit WW Ganondorf was decent, but as characters everyone was at their peak in that game. Too bad TP seems to be doubling back on that, but we'll see. --- Commit it to memory. |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/30/2006 3:12:28 PM | message detail |
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Everyone becomes a Ganon fanboy after The Wind Waker, not before!
You and that blasted Leonhart need to think about fixing this!! Ah yes, Leon, a fellow with almost as good tastes as myself! --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids - Team Tranny Did! |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/30/2006 3:13:06 PM | message detail |
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Well thank the heavens for that one! That's one more copy of X3 sold. Ha! I wouldn't play Xenosaga III if someone bought the game for me; in fact, I'm pretty sure doing something like that is calling for war. I'm not touching another Xeno game after the first Xenosaga. I should have learned my lesson after playing Xenogears. --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/30/2006 3:13:49 PM | message detail |
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I don't get the whole business with hating Ganon either.. he has one of
the best boss fights of all time(OoT), and is generally one of the most
evil villains there is. Not to say that he's anything spectacular like
a certain person here will have you believe, but he's not awful or
anything. --- ~*~Sephiroth's Road To Character Battle V Dominance~*~ The Battle Royale hath wrought the fury of the One Winged Angel |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/30/2006 3:15:37 PM | message detail |
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he has one of the best boss fights of all time(OoT) If you're speaking of the first half and the boss of the Forest Temple then I agree. But I'll never call OOT's final boss a good fight. That entire thing is a joke, atmosphere aside. Didn't Shadow of the Colossus teach you people that you need some substance with your style? Atmosphere isn't everything. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Now Playing: SOTC, KH:COM (Sora), FE8, SFAA, Castlevania: LoI |
| AmazingKirby | Posted 8/30/2006 3:16:18 PM | message detail |
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Hmm, the amount of time I've spent playing Zelda games. Zelda 1: 5 minutes Zelda 2: 2 minutes Oracle of Seasons: Maybe an hour, got to the first dungeon. Ocarina of Time: 30 minutes, barely made it out of the home village Majora's Mask: 1 minute (?) Wind Waker: 3-4 hours, I got to like the second dungeon, somewhat fun Link's Awakening: 2 hours, I think I got to the second dungeon here too, cool story, meh gameplay yay zelda games. --- caps |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2006 3:16:20 PM | message detail |
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Whoa, OoT Ganon being considered good, let alone one of the best boss fights of all time in any shape or form is just ludicrous. I mean...he's big, and you have to do a little experimenting to beat him. That's about it. Every single boss from Ninja Gaiden (XBox) is bigger, badder, and better than the pigman. --- Commit it to memory. |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/30/2006 3:16:40 PM | message detail |
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Ganon in the Forest Temple is pretty badass, jumping out at ya a bunch.
Probably my 3rd favorite fight. Favorite is still Link to the Past pig
form Ganon! --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/30/2006 3:16:48 PM | message detail |
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And for those who have done so in all of them and consider him (on the average) intolerable? I'm not sure what was "intolerable" about Ganon. He has the necessary things needed to be a good villain, including some development and some fantastic boss fights. I will admit WW Ganondorf was decent, but as characters everyone was at their peak in that game. Too bad TP seems to be doubling back on that, but we'll see. I suspect that Ganon's best role will be in Twilight Princess, which should be amazing if my predictions come to light. I woud imagine all Zelda characters will be at their best in TP, especially since it seems to have a greater focus on story and characters than before (still very much gameplay oriented, but yeah). --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2006 3:18:57 PM | message detail |
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On the whole, Ganon/dorf has the necessary things to be a villain
-- not a good one. He has passable boss fights and some
backstory/motivations. If you don't have these you're not a villain,
you're just a random enemy. But as a villain he is incredibly
stereotypical and boring, Wind Waker aside. If WW was his only game I'd actually favor him quite a bit, but I can't shake off his pitiful roles in the previous ones. --- Commit it to memory. |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/30/2006 3:20:04 PM | message detail |
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If you're speaking of the first half and the boss of the Forest
Temple then I agree. But I'll never call OOT's final boss a good fight.
That entire thing is a joke, atmosphere aside. OoT Ganon is not the best, but it is certainly one of the best out there, easily one of my favorite boss fights. The fight with Phantom Ganon in the Forest Temple was...not really all that great. It was a neat battle, but it hardly compares to fighting Ganon at the end, both the first form and second form of him. There may be not be that much difficulty involved, especially after you figure everything out (Light Arrows are not even necessary to get behind him, but Lord I love shooting him in the face with those), but final boss fights and difficulty usually aren't frequent occurrences. --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/30/2006 3:21:39 PM | message detail |
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Ganon never struck me as anything great. He's just...there. --- Character Battle V Score - 0/0 points Current Prediction - Samus Aran vs. Nidoran F |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/30/2006 3:21:54 PM | message detail |
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Heroic Mario is dead to me with this anti-Xeno talk! --- xyzzy |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2006 3:25:13 PM | message detail |
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If WW was his only game I'd actually favor him quite a bit, but I can't shake off his pitiful roles in the previous ones. I'd say he's a pretty decent villain in every game but Ocarina of Time. Pre-Ocarina, he may not have much of an in-game presence, but the game builds him up as an evil power to be fearful of. Hell, the entirety of Adventure of Link revolves around the foreboding of Ganon being on the cusp of revival (plus the game over screen always being there). If you pay attention the LttP story, then you should know all about the story of Ganon taking the Triforce and corrupting the Golden Land. Plus his fight in that game was easily the best in the game. That's what actually made me become a fan of his. With Ocarina of Time, I can't help but picture him as Ganondork. Picking on little kids and stuff. What a jerk. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/30/2006 3:26:39 PM | message detail |
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On the whole, Ganon/dorf has the necessary things to be a villain --
not a good one. He has passable boss fights and some
backstory/motivations. If you don't have these you're not a villain,
you're just a random enemy. But as a villain he is incredibly
stereotypical and boring, Wind Waker aside. (Ganon and Ganondorf are interchangeable names, just for the record. Ganondorf can describe the boar demon form and Ganon can describe his human form and whatnot, but anyway...) He has fantastic boss fights, some very nice motivations, and an extremely nice role in Ocarina of Time. The things he did before OoT began to set up for the game were very interesting, even moreso when you take into consideration his life in Gerudo Valley. Swearing allegiance to the King, finding out the secret of the Royal Family, killing the Composer Brothers, reviving the dodongos and cutting off the Gorons food supply, putting a curse on Jabu Jabu and then putting a bottle in Lake Hylia with a letter that was meant to be from Ruto, and then just tossing the Great Deku Tree aside as though he were nothing, and finally turning Hyrule into a wasteland of darkness ruling uncontested for seven years is rather impressive, I'd say. His role in OoT is much more than people actually give credit for. If WW was his only game I'd actually favor him quite a bit, but I can't shake off his pitiful roles in the previous ones. I don't really think of him much before OoT. The bulk of his actual character comes from OoT and TWW, with the rest of the games just being there for him to be the big baddy you fight at the end of the game. I don't really have a problem with his role in those. --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/30/2006 3:27:08 PM | message detail |
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Oh first form Ganon in OOT rocks, even if you cheese your way out with
Hover Boots and Z-Targeting (which isn't even supposed to be possible,
thanks to pre-fight events). ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Now Playing: SOTC, KH:COM (Sora), FE8, SFAA, Castlevania: LoI |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2006 3:30:57 PM | message detail |
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Um...OoT spoilers aside, what you're saying there is why I really don't
like Ganon -- I like my games to show, don't tell. When you're told
about Ganon and all the stuff that he does for seemingly no reason
other than being stereotypically evil...he's just there. I can't care
for Ganondorf any more than I care for any other villain. Putting it another way, all that stuff that you just listed in Ganondorf's favor? The Skull Kid has the exact same M.O. in Majora's Mask. It really is that interchangeable. --- Commit it to memory. |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2006 3:31:18 PM | message detail |
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Ganon's first form was annoying as hell. My first time fighting him, I ended up doing more climbing than actual fighting.
Then once I figured out what to do, it was nothing more than Phantom
Ganon rehashed. I was disappointed as a whole with the boss fights in
Ocarina of Time. They all could have been so much better. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2006 3:35:47 PM | message detail |
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mnm seems to be disappointed with the Nintendo 64 generation as a whole. =/ --- Commit it to memory. |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/30/2006 3:36:48 PM | message detail |
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"But can you break through this secret technique of Darkness? En Garde!" That allone is enough to vote Ganon over most of the bracket, IMO. Ganon in LttP was incredible. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2006 3:38:09 PM | message detail |
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Putting it another way, all that stuff that you just listed in
Ganondorf's favor? The Skull Kid has the exact same M.O. in Majora's
Mask. It really is that interchangeable. But the thing was, back then that's how a lot of villains were. The game told you the story at the beginning in the manual. You play through the game, and fight him at the end. It's the same with Bowser and SMB. It's the same with Andross and Star Wars. It's the same with Dr. Wily and Mega Man. It's the same with Sigma and Mega Man X. It's the same with Dr. Robotnik and Sonic. You get the picture. None of those games showed you how the villains became "villanious". Granted, none of those villains outside of Bowser are overly popular, but you can't really expect that from most older villains. Even though I liked Ganon before OoT, I admit that OoT is probably why he's as strong as he is. It's the same reason why Sephiroth is so popular in FFVII. They are actually involved throughout those games. You can have your new-fangled games with FMVs and villains doing things through cutscenes Karma Hunter! Old school 4 life! --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/30/2006 3:39:14 PM | message detail |
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I like my games to show, don't tell. When you're told about Ganon
and all the stuff that he does for seemingly no reason other than being
stereotypically evil...he's just there. I can't care for Ganondorf any
more than I care for any other villain. I take into consideration the role he played in Ocarina of Time combined with his role in The Wind Waker. Ganon is both older and wiser in TWW, and not nearly as power hungry as he was in OoT. He's rather sympathetic in that game, really. When you take what he said in Hyrule and apply that to before even OoT, it works to make Ganon more than just evil for the sake of being evil. In any game before that, backstory from ALttP aside, he does play the role of just being the bad guy you fight at the end of the game, which I don't mind too much. It's understandable why you would want to see what happened in OoT, but it wasn't too big of a deal for me. You may not have seen him doing all those things, but you can clearly see what effects they had on everyone, especially after the seven year time jump. I have a feeling his role in Twilight Princess will help fix this problem that people have!! --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2006 3:39:55 PM | message detail |
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"But can you break through this secret technique of Darkness? En Garde!" Amazing how ANSEM takes flak for lines like that while Ganon is praised... --- Commit it to memory. |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2006 3:40:55 PM | message detail |
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mnm seems to be disappointed with the Nintendo 64 generation as a whole. =/ Because Nintendo seemed to just be getting off on all their games being all nice and 3D when the actual games weren't even better than their SNES counterparts! --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/30/2006 3:43:01 PM | message detail |
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Oh please mnm, the N64 has the best gaming library of all time! --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids - Team Tranny Did! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2006 3:43:08 PM | message detail |
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Bowser is fantastic for the RPGs, Robotnik is ****ing legendary for the Sonic Adventures. Hate Wily, hate Sigma, HATE Andross...yeah. And there's nothing wrong for liking game characters for reasons other than character. I don't begrudge Link's strength. I just myself hate such characters. --- Commit it to memory. |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/30/2006 3:43:54 PM | message detail |
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if anyone's an n64 hater, it's me! my brother gave me one two years ago and I never opened the box! he eventually took it back. --- xyzzy |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/30/2006 3:46:33 PM | message detail |
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The best thing about Bowser: http://www.dan-dare.org/SonicMario/BowserFlyMediumAni.gif I don't care about anything else about Bowser, but his flying machine simply has to be one of the greatest things ever. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/30/2006 3:51:56 PM | message detail |
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Robotnik is ****ing legendary for the Sonic Adventures. ... You like Robotnik because of SA? >> --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| Janus5000 | Posted 8/30/2006 3:52:48 PM | message detail |
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It's the same with Andross and Star Wars. "No, Fox... I am y-" *battery dies* --- "Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2006 3:52:53 PM | message detail |
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Oh, the N64 had some excellent games. I was more or less disappointed
with Nintendo's big franchises' push into 3D. I don't think any were
better than their SNES counterparts (mainly looking at Mario, Zelda,
and Star Fox). They are all great games mind you, but they all could
have been better to me. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2006 3:53:59 PM | message detail |
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It's the same with Andross and Star Wars. Oops. Typing too fast. <_< --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/30/2006 3:54:27 PM | message detail |
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Oh, the N64 had some excellent games. I was more or less
disappointed with Nintendo's big franchises' push into 3D. I don't
think any were better than their SNES counterparts (mainly looking at
Mario, Zelda, and Star Fox). They are all great games mind you, but
they all could have been better to me. You needed more F-Zero, I think. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2006 3:55:11 PM | message detail |
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... You like Robotnik because of SA? >> Yeah -- he got a personality, was more vibrant, more entertaining. It's really SA2 where he really got his charm, but he was great throughout -- not to mention that Deem Bristow's voice work on him was bloody fantastic. I do have fond memories of him (and Bowser) from cartoons and comics as well, but it feels weird including them for some reason. --- Commit it to memory. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2006 4:00:59 PM | message detail |
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That's not to say I don't like Eggman at all back in the Genesis era --
he was cooky, weird, and funny even then. Whether he was swinging
around a gigantic disco ball as a weapon or wearing a pathetic mask to
try and fool Knuckles, he at least made himself somewhat
distinguishable from the flock...if only because you had constant
interaction with him. I'm just a BIG critic of 'lol I'm the guy that waits for you at the end of the game', I guess. --- Commit it to memory. |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2006 4:05:10 PM | message detail |
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Yeah -- he got a personality, was more vibrant, more entertaining.
It's really SA2 where he really got his charm, but he was great
throughout -- not to mention that Deem Bristow's voice work on him was
bloody fantastic. I am the Eggman! I got the master plan! --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/30/2006 4:05:37 PM | message detail |
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(Ganon and Ganondorf are interchangeable names, just for the record.
Ganondorf can describe the boar demon form and Ganon can describe his
human form and whatnot, but anyway...) (Go beat the second dungeon of the Dark World in Link to the Past and listen to what the maiden there has to say!) --- "Who knew that head wounds bled so much?" ~ Kieran, Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2006 4:06:40 PM | message detail |
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Ganondorf... no. Ganon, the king of DARKNESS! --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| RPGuy96 | Posted 8/30/2006 4:07:23 PM | message detail |
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(Hey, there's a text dump on this very site!) You are the only one who can destroy Ganondorf, the thief-no, Ganon, the evil King Of Darkness! --- "Who knew that head wounds bled so much?" ~ Kieran, Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2006 4:10:49 PM | message detail |
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Ganondorf -- Barely visible villain that you mostly just hear about
until the end of the game. Dark-skinned (but not considered 'black).
Wears dark and strange pastel trenchcoat (circa Wind Waker). Precedes
many encounters with cries of DARKNESS Ansem -- Barely visible villain that you mostly just hear about until the end of the game. Dark-skinned (but not considered 'black). Wears dark and strange pastel trenchcoat. Precedes many encounters with cries of DARKNESS Ganondorf/Ansem was obviously rSFF. CATS can still take the pigman! --- Commit it to memory. |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/30/2006 4:15:29 PM | message detail |
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Hey, I didn't say I was a big fan of Ganon. I just like
him a little, and I acknowledge that is mostly because I'm a fan of the
Zelda series as a whole, and liked his boss fights at the end of LttP
and WW. He actually is pretty low for me on the Nintendo food chain. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/30/2006 4:17:14 PM | message detail |
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Don't get defensive now, you can have Ganon as your favorite character
for being the main villain of Zelda if you want. <_< --- Commit it to memory. |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/30/2006 4:19:55 PM | message detail |
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Catching up with the stats topic... I think that Celes/The Boss will tell us a lot about Ganondorf/Vincent, strangely enough. I expect Celes to be a bit weaker than Terra, and The Boss to be a bit weaker than Big Boss. Dante and Auron had nearly identical performances on Terra and Big Boss, respectively. And Vincent and Ganondorf had nearly identical performances on Dante and Auron. Celes/The Boss will help to conclude in my mind who was stronger that year between Dante and Auron, and in turn who was stronger between Ganondorf and Vincent. I think it would tell us more about Dante/Yoshi. The Boss is more comparable to Ocelot than she is to Big Boss. If The Boss can win that match, Yoshi might actually beat Dante. If she can't, I doubt he'll make it. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |