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AmazingKirby | Posted 8/29/2006 6:06:24 PM | message detail
KOS-MOS couldn't even crush Crash Bandicoot.
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LessThan3Presea | Posted 8/29/2006 6:06:49 PM | message detail
Better believe it!

Okay, I'm on the Sub-Zero > Master Chief bandwagon, set on a crash course with Lopen! All aboard!
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/29/2006 6:07:11 PM | message detail
Hey, Amy Rose will outdo Crash Bandicoot!!!!!

Ouch, somebody just got insulted. I've yet to figure out who, though.

Amy is a bigger Sonic fanboy than I am and that's saying something.


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LessThan3Presea | Posted 8/29/2006 6:07:50 PM | message detail
And I'm a bigger Amy Rose fanboy than Sonic is!

Though that's not saying much.
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/29/2006 6:08:09 PM | message detail
Makes me wish Raiden was in the contest. Or is it technically spelled Rayden? Ah well, the cooler one. =P


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LessThan3Presea | Posted 8/29/2006 6:08:29 PM | message detail
The coolest one is always Sub-Zero.
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/29/2006 6:09:38 PM | message detail
Hahaha, see, as long as there are no Big fanboys, the world is right.


Froggy knew what he was doing. He hates Big as much as all of u-....


THAT'S IT!


NOMINATE FROGGY FOR 2K7!!



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WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/29/2006 6:10:27 PM | message detail
Oh, I'm not gonna argue that Sub-Zero ISN'T the cooler one, cuz I'd lose. But Rayden is more.... er..... FRIENDSHIP. K.

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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 8/29/2006 6:11:55 PM | message detail
Wouldn't Zelda > Aeris be a statistical upset?
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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/29/2006 6:12:31 PM | message detail
2005 Zelda > 2003 Aeris
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therealmnm | Posted 8/29/2006 6:13:40 PM | message detail
Wouldn't Zelda > Aeris be a statistical upset?

Not really... Unless you think Aeris > Tifa. I'd rather look at Tifa's stats from last year than Aeris's from 3 years ago.
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Tediz247 | Posted 8/29/2006 6:16:39 PM | message detail
Back to Yoshi for a moment, I really think that his match with Riku will play out very similar to Riku/Frog. Riku has every reason to get a massive boost, since his role in KH2 made for a very awesome ending sequence. I know I'm not the only one who marked out when I found out about it. I'd say Riku's probably the most memorable thing about KH2 other than the 1000 Heartless battle, the new Sora, and maybe Sephiroth.

The only reason I'm not taking Riku is NintendoFAQs, actually. I wouldn't be surprised to see Riku pull a shocker.
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/29/2006 6:17:07 PM | message detail
It's hard not to use 2003 Aeris, but I still want to claim a weak Sonic.... or a strong Zero.


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KingBartz | Posted 8/29/2006 6:18:14 PM | message detail
Ah, the good old days of SSB. Who didn't take Pikachu and Samus, have Pikachu shock her, and then pause at the right time? Goooooood times.....

I used ness... I never thought of using pikachu...


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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/29/2006 6:18:27 PM | message detail
Riku has a long way to go even to catch where 2005 Yoshi is now (which may be too low, and by quite a bit). If he kept it closer than 55/45, I'd be surprised, really.

His role in KHII was cool (though it freaked me out at first), but he has the problem of not showing up at all until the very end.
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/29/2006 6:18:45 PM | message detail
I don't see how anybody can deny that 2k3 was easily Sonic's weakest year.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/29/2006 6:20:14 PM | message detail
2003 Sonic > 2002 Samus! Ken Masters says so!

Seriously though, yeah, that was a bad year for Sonic. There's no way any of the percentages from any of his matches (except for maybe Ken) hold up again. He'd beat Aeris and Zero more easily (he might get a chance to work on the latter), and he'd do better on Cloud.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/29/2006 6:21:14 PM | message detail
"AMY ROSE IS HERE! =) <3"

Amy Rose is probably the single worst character in the whole bracket thanks to Kefka not being here.

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"Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120."
LeonhartForever | Posted 8/29/2006 6:21:49 PM | message detail
But Ganondorf is still in the bracket!
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 8/29/2006 6:22:20 PM | message detail
If Sonic vs Snake were to happen, who would you take?
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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/29/2006 6:22:20 PM | message detail
Wouldn't Zelda > Aeris be a statistical upset?

Nope. Zelda wins against Aerith with about 51%.

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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/29/2006 6:23:01 PM | message detail
But Ganondorf is still in the bracket!

I said the worst, not one of the best, silly!

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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/29/2006 6:23:25 PM | message detail
For now, I take Sonic. Next year...that'll be tough. MGS4 vs. new Sonic the Hedgehog (if it doesn't flop and brings back the old school style)...If Snake has SSBB by then though, he probably wins.
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therealmnm | Posted 8/29/2006 6:23:35 PM | message detail
Sonic almost has to do better on Zero this year. No knock on Zero of course! But yeah, if Zero does just as well, it pretty much means that Mega Man SFF'd him in 2k4, which means that Mario REALLY SFF'd him, which means that Ryu Hayabusa was much stronger in pure recognizable Ninja form. Hey, I wouldn't mind at all if that were all true, but I don't buy it.

Sonic definitely is stronger than he was in 2k3. Sonic/Aeris and Sonic/Tifa is pretty much proof of that.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/29/2006 6:24:17 PM | message detail
I wouldn't be surprised to see Riku pull a shocker.

I'd be beyond surprised to see Riku even give Yoshi a close match, much less actually win.

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"Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120."
WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/29/2006 6:29:32 PM | message detail
Hey! Amy may not have much to her character.... but.... um..... she's a Sonic fanboy still, so she's allright in my book!


*enter Rabid Sonic fanboy mode*


I want a Samus/Sonic rematch! He'll score 60% this time! YOU'LL ALL SEE!
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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/29/2006 6:30:19 PM | message detail
A Sonic/Samus rematch you shall have!
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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/29/2006 6:31:57 PM | message detail
I'm not liking this increased Sonic love.

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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/29/2006 6:32:35 PM | message detail
A Sonic/Samus rematch you shall have!

You heard the man -- Samus/Mega Man it is!

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_Archvile_ | Posted 8/29/2006 6:36:35 PM | message detail
Let me try to figure out what the **** HM is thinking:

He thinks Ganondorf will beat Sonic, no?

This is the Ganondorf who was ~= Magus 2k3?
This was the Magus who got pounded by Knuckles 2k5?
The same Knuckles who lost fairly well to Squall in 2k5?
Squall, who is < Vincent 2k5?
Vincent, who lost by a relatively small margin to Crono in 2k5?
Crono, who barely beat Mega Man in 2k5?
Mega Man, who is ~= to Sonic 2k5?!

Granted, Ganon has grown and Magus has decreased, but still...

FLAWLESS LOGIC
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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/29/2006 6:37:31 PM | message detail
You should be shot.

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Big Bob | Posted 8/29/2006 6:38:22 PM | message detail
My reasoning for Rose > KOS-MOS.

KOS-MOS may have beaten Crash, but according to his match with Master Chief, he's weaker than CATS. Crash has no fanbase on this site, unlike the Sonic series which, while not the strongest, is still which prominent on this site. Dr. Robotnik defeated Sin, the villain from the game that came close to Melee in strength. Everyone said that Sonic was a disappointment in the series contest, yet the following round proved it was due to Melee's strength, not Sonic's weakness (which made him look pretty damn good in the process). Xenosage II bombed, and I've heard little hype for Episode III. Amy plays a large part of Sonic Adventure, SA2, and Sonic Heroes, which all, whether you like them or not, have found a following on this site.

Plus the furry vote.
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_Archvile_ | Posted 8/29/2006 6:38:24 PM | message detail
I'll shoot all over your face.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/29/2006 6:39:05 PM | message detail
Amy plays a large part of Sonic Adventure, SA2, and Sonic Heroes, which all, whether you like them or not, have found a following on this site.

Fortunately, Amy does not have a following!

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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/29/2006 6:43:09 PM | message detail
You heard the man -- Samus/Mega Man it is!

w00t
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therealmnm | Posted 8/29/2006 6:45:59 PM | message detail
KOS-MOS would mop the floor with Sin though. Amy wouldn't beat Robotnik. And that's not including SFF...
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therealmnm | Posted 8/29/2006 6:46:58 PM | message detail
In fact, seeing how Robotnik ended up doing makes me more confident in KOS-MOS. Sorry Amy. :-/
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/29/2006 6:48:00 PM | message detail
Found it: http://daisy.ytmnd.com/

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swirIdude | Posted 8/29/2006 6:49:48 PM | message detail
Daisy and Wario have the most ANNOYING Mario Kart DD lines! How does anyone like those?
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/29/2006 6:50:19 PM | message detail
Even in last years stats, KOS-MOS is still above people like Kratos Aurion I'd take over Amy in an instant. I can't see Amy being worth anything.
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BeTheMan | Posted 8/29/2006 6:50:40 PM | message detail
I have to say that I'm a little thrown by all of the debate over Ganondorf/Vincent. Let's consider two matches that took place last year:

Ganondorf 54.10%
Auron 45.90%

Vincent Valentine 54.00%
Dante 46.00%

If we assume that Vincent was stronger than Ganondorf last year, it would stand to reason that Dante would have beaten Auron heads up.

Now, let's think about this "Dante > Auron" matter for a second. In 2003 and 2004, Auron came out ahead of Dante in the X-Stats despite going up against Cloud and Sephiroth, respectively. And while I know that people will argue that the following comparison is sketchy, I'm still going to throw it out there:

2k3

Auron 64.47%
Tails 35.53%

2k4

Dante 57.40%
Tails 42.60%

Yes, Square was strong in 2003. Yes, Dante had DMC3 come out between 2k4 and 2k5. Yes, the voter pool changes from year to year. But how reasonable is it to think that Dante made up that much ground on Auron? I have a hard time buying it.

Based on that alone, I would have to believe that Ganondorf 2k5 was stronger than Vincent 2k5, and with GameFAQs suffering from an ever-increasing level of Nintensanity, I can't see Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus swinging things in Vincent's favor. It should still be a decent match, but I would be surprised if Vincent ever leads it.

(For those that are wondering why I'm ignoring Vincent's more impressive matches from last year...Kerrigan's worthless for comparison, and there's no certain answer as to how SFF played into the matches against Squall and Crono.)
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 8/29/2006 6:51:38 PM | message detail
Wait. If you have Ganon > Sonic, you might as well have him take the entire Male bracket.
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Lopen | Posted 8/29/2006 7:27:28 PM | message detail
Yes, Square was strong in 2003. Yes, Dante had DMC3 come out between 2k4 and 2k5. Yes, the voter pool changes from year to year. But how reasonable is it to think that Dante made up that much ground on Auron? I have a hard time buying it.

You're exaggerating. It's only ~7%. It doesn't have to all be Dante, either. That could be a combination of a dropping Auron like you've suggested, Tails getting stronger between 2003-2004 (Sonic team seemed better in 05 at least... not sure about 2004), and Dante getting stronger between 2004-2005 from DMC3.

We've seen bigger turnarounds in %s than that before. It's hardly unreasonable. I'd take Dante 2k5 over Auron 2k5. (big surprise, right?)
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/29/2006 7:28:49 PM | message detail
I'd take Dante 2k5 over Auron 2k5.

Well duh.

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Lopen | Posted 8/29/2006 7:30:53 PM | message detail
Ha Ha Ulti I already made fun of myself in my post so there it doesn't work anymore!
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charmander6000 | Posted 8/29/2006 7:37:03 PM | message detail
Dante (2005c) VS Auron (2005c)

Dante has a strength of 32.73.
Auron has a strength of 30.88.

Dante wins with 52.83% of the vote!
A win of 5,017 with 88,760 total votes cast.

>_>

To be truthful I would have to think about it and take Auron calling it the safe bet, but then again I have Vincent > Ganondorf.
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swirIdude | Posted 8/29/2006 7:46:14 PM | message detail
I don't think the best upset for the Battle Royale is Sephiroth > Cloud. I find it to be Crono > Mario! And for a simple reason. SFF resistance. Mario has shown that Link brutally owns him in SFF. If Cloud and Seph cannot do this, Crono may get enough to survive, and push Mario out the door!
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charmander6000 | Posted 8/29/2006 7:54:32 PM | message detail
Mario has shown that Link brutally owns him in SFF.

Link SFF Mario is only a theory back in 2k2 though it would explain the WDF.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/29/2006 7:54:51 PM | message detail
A few notes.

1.) Tails is IMO significantly stronger in 2k4 than 2k5. Sonic boosted significantly from 2k3 to 2k4, I suspect Shadow was stronger, (though his 2k3 value is borked, I can't see Wario being quite as high as he is measured through Shadow 2k4), and Knuckles got what was by far his best percentage on Solid Snake. Now, this was a Snake that did significantly worse on Mega Man, but there's no telling if that Mega Man was stronger in 2k4 thanks to Link/Mega SFF. All HM jokes aside, Tidus 2k5 gets 54% on Tidus 2k4. That doesn't ring like a coincidence to me. The Sonic crew as a whole probably got a boost in 2k4...this makes the extent of Knuckles' boost in 2k5 seem less crazy if it was legit, by the way (since there's no way he boosted up to Snake's 2k4 value in the span of a year, no matter what it was).

2.) Auron is probably weaker in 2k5 than he was in 2k3. Like everyone has said, 2003 was just a monster year for Square, and you literally have Tidus going 50/50 with Ganon while Auron gets 46% two years later. Of course Ganondorf boosted, but exactly how much of a boost are we talking here? We start to reach into insane territory depending on how much stronger you think Auron is from Tidus (and boosting Ganon up to, say, Snake's level does about just that), while Link and especially Zelda have had quite tame boosts in comparison. I wouldn't expect Auron to do nearly as well on Tails today -- any Tails.

3.) Dante has had DMC3, which inarguably gave him a hefty boost, it's just the extent of which that is argued.

Again, this all comes down to Terra and Big Boss to me. Who do you think is stronger? I think BB is by a bit, which is why I think The Boss will put Celes away nicely, and why I'd take Auron over Dante in a close affair. Yeah, G-dorf is a smidge above Vincent in 2k5 in all probability -- but I can't see that gap *not* being made up by the English release of Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus. It doesn't have to be much at all to give him the win under the aforementioned conditions, and that's why I take Vincent.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/29/2006 7:56:08 PM | message detail
I tend to think of Link/Mario 2k2 as an overperformance, not SFF. Every condition was perfect for Link in that match, he could have probably won even if he wasn't legitimately stronger (provided there was no SFF).
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