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THEJackSparrow | Posted 8/29/2006 3:02:07 PM | message detail
Sonic to defeat Vincent/Ganondorf with little trouble! You heard it here first!

*Creativename's websites*

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.GameFAQsContests.com
http://www.sc2k5.com
http://www.sc2k4.com

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/19



*Extrapolated Standings*

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/11

Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

Extrapolated Standings for All Contests (links to all brackets are on the left):
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/



*Solarshadow's Sites*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html



*Old Stats topics*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season (Chance the number after "Season" to view other pages; there are three of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm

Spring 2004 Contest (Change the number after "Stats" to view other pages; there are eight of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm



*Match Pictures*

All the match pics, save for three from 2002:
http://sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php



*Miscellaneous*

Creativename's Page of Links:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

UltimaterializerX's Contest Sites (some offensive language):
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

NGamer64's Archive Site and (lol) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language):
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/
http://thengamer.com/xstats
http://thengamer.com/stats

A List of Acronyms, A Lesson on Percentages, and Some Odd Matches:
http://freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/acronymspercentsanomalies.htm

All Time Top 25/Top 10 Lists:
http://www.rpgdl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3251

HaRRicH's Fourpack of Fun Board:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007

TRE's poll listing (every poll!):
http://members.shaw.ca/teamrocketelite/Polls.html

Aprosenf's Poll Script:
http://www.geocities.com/aprosenf/allpolls.txt

GameFAQs' Top 100 Games:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/top10/top10_100.html



!yawa tsoP
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"...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow
ff6man | Posted 8/29/2006 3:02:59 PM | message detail
I agree.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/29/2006 3:03:00 PM | message detail
First!

Zero > Luigi


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Nominate Carmen Sandiego for Character Battle V
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/29/2006 3:03:14 PM | message detail
Damn it >_<


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ff6man | Posted 8/29/2006 3:03:22 PM | message detail
*Points and laughs at turtle*

^_^
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_Archvile_ | Posted 8/29/2006 3:03:53 PM | message detail
Claire > Kairi
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 8/29/2006 3:04:12 PM | message detail
In reality, I was first.
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Captain Jack Sparrow's Road to the Character Battle V Championship: Step One - ...Find the road
Draco1214 | Posted 8/29/2006 3:04:28 PM | message detail
- Kairi to take care of Claire with little trouble!
- GFNW tradition will continue on!
- Vincent will defeat Ganondorf!
- Zero steamrollls his fourpack!
- Jill exposes Peach for the fodder she is!
- Dante will defeat Yoshi handily!
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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/29/2006 3:04:51 PM | message detail
Sonic to defeat Vincent/Ganondorf with little trouble! You heard it here first!

That makes me more confident coming from someone who tends to overrate Sonic!!

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"Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120."
shadow8021 | Posted 8/29/2006 3:05:55 PM | message detail
Kirby > Luigi > Zero > Kirby

Yup...
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 8/29/2006 3:06:31 PM | message detail
That makes me more confident coming from someone who tends to overrate Sonic!!

But only by one round!
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"...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow
LeonhartForever | Posted 8/29/2006 4:57:54 PM | message detail
Anyhoo, I think Claire > Kairi is a nice little upset pick.

...Except it shouldn't be that. I have no idea how Kairi became the favorite of this match. Especially considering before this bracket released, I don't recall anyone talking about her being a decent character in a contest setting.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Character Battle V Championship:
Round 1: Tidus
WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/29/2006 4:57:55 PM | message detail
Kirby > Luigi > Zero > Kirby

More like Zero > Kirby > Kirby > Zero.




.....wait.....

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/29/2006 4:58:37 PM | message detail
Oh Ganon's value in 2005 is pointless. I just point to the villain's contest, then what Bowser did against Snake and assume Ganon is equal to Bowser and go from there. Ganon/Auron also makes me think that Vincent has an uphill climb ahead of him.

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Draco1214 | Posted 8/29/2006 5:00:32 PM | message detail
I don't know how Ganon/Auron tells us much. We've never had a reliable read on Auron. And even then, I'd wager that Vincent > Auron by a significant margin especially after AC and DOC.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/29/2006 5:00:33 PM | message detail
I just point to the villain's contest,

Yeah, I like to point to Diablo, too.

then what Bowser did against Snake and assume Ganon is equal to Bowser and go from there.


There's no WAY Tidus and Shadow could have fallen equally proportionally! They have to be as strong as SC2K3 says! That couldn't have been a fluke! Proportions are completely reliable!

Ganon/Auron also makes me think that Vincent has an uphill climb ahead of him.

...I'd take Vincent to beat Auron easily.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Character Battle V Championship:
Round 1: Tidus
WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/29/2006 5:01:48 PM | message detail
I think that over 65% of people will predict Kairi though. Like, they could use the possibly incorrect stuff.... like using KH's popularity in general as a basis. Kairi wasn't even really IN CoM (like anyone played it anyway lololololololl), and anyway, maybe if she was a controllable character who... you know.... actually DID stuff, I'd give her a shot.


You know.... this may be a stupid question (I bet it is =P), but I can't recall... would she be the first character in one of these contests to be a character that you never control or never battle? (I haven't played any of the MGS series, and I'm willing to bet there's somebody there I don't know about)



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WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/29/2006 5:03:04 PM | message detail
Ganon/Auron also makes me think that Vincent has an uphill climb ahead of him.

...I'd take Vincent to beat Auron easily.



Yeah, same reasoning, Squall > Auron for me.

Also easily.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/29/2006 5:03:05 PM | message detail
There's no WAY Tidus and Shadow could have fallen equally proportionally! They have to be as strong as SC2K3 says! That couldn't have been a fluke! Proportions are completely reliable!

There's NO WAY Mario has any chance against Final Fantasy! There's NO WAY Zelda has any chance either! My bracket says so and I'll argue it as an absolute until the very end!

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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/29/2006 5:04:11 PM | message detail
There's NO WAY Mario has any chance against Final Fantasy! There's NO WAY Zelda has any chance either!

Hello there, strawman. I've missed you.

In other words, actually rebutt with something that has to do with what I'm saying.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Character Battle V Championship:
Round 1: Tidus
WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/29/2006 5:04:18 PM | message detail
Legend of Zelda is so screwed



I went there.

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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/29/2006 5:05:57 PM | message detail
Oh junk, I can't believe I missed an opportunity to do this!

I just point to the villain's contest, then what Bowser did against Snake and assume Ganon is equal to Bowser and go from there

LOL XSTATS
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Character Battle V Championship:
Round 1: Tidus
Karma Hunter | Posted 8/29/2006 5:06:03 PM | message detail
I think that Celes/The Boss will tell us a lot about Ganondorf/Vincent, strangely enough. I expect Celes to be a bit weaker than Terra, and The Boss to be a bit weaker than Big Boss. Dante and Auron had nearly identical performances on Terra and Big Boss, respectively. And Vincent and Ganondorf had nearly identical performances on Dante and Auron. Celes/The Boss will help to conclude in my mind who was stronger that year between Dante and Auron, and in turn who was stronger between Ganondorf and Vincent.

...thinking of it that way, with AC and DoC I'm thinking my Vincent pick is a lot better now. Cool. =D
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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/29/2006 5:08:33 PM | message detail
And even then, I'd wager that Vincent > Auron by a significant margin especially after AC and DOC.

There wouldn't be that much difference between them indirectly. Unless you only view a few percentage points as significant. If you do, forget this then. (I'm thinking some massive gap between the two statistically.)

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"Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120."
Karma Hunter | Posted 8/29/2006 5:10:12 PM | message detail
I'd definitely expect Vincent to outdo Auron 2k5 by a significant margin, although like I entertained in the summer I would certainly consider taking Auron 2k6 over Ganon after thanks to KH2.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/29/2006 5:11:37 PM | message detail
In other words, actually rebutt with something that has to do with what I'm saying.

Okay sure. You argue based entirely on bias and personal preference, and fail to ever admit when you're wrong on top of putting words in other people's mouths. Everyone and their mother knows that you can find whatever you want by looking in stats hard enough. I even bet you I could find perfect parallels between Stairway to Heaven's "satanic" messages and the last time Rosie O'Donnel last ate a full pie. It means nothing.

And you're not even a bad guy. It sucks to see one of my favorite people and one of the stats topic's smartest regs feed into the elitist stigma that everyone else hates about this place. Why would new people want to seriously contribute anything if everything they say against the norm is going to get shot down post after post?

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WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/29/2006 5:13:04 PM | message detail
Kinda offtopic, but Auron's VO in KH2 didn't sound as badass as his FFX voice. I didn't even think it was the same guy until I checked.


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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/29/2006 5:14:19 PM | message detail
From WiggumFan267 Posted 8/29/2006 8:13:04 PM #027
Kinda offtopic, but Auron's VO in KH2 didn't sound as badass as his FFX voice. I didn't even think it was the same guy until I checked.

They were the same guy?! No way, they sound completely different, and KH2 Auron sounds borderline lame :(

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WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/29/2006 5:14:41 PM | message detail
Free to say what we want!? Finally!


I'd pick Aeris > Tifa!

Huzzah!


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WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/29/2006 5:15:17 PM | message detail
Yeah, it's unfortunate, =\


http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0571578/


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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/29/2006 5:15:34 PM | message detail
Why would new people want to seriously contribute anything if everything they say against the norm is going to get shot down post after post?

Generally what I say is against the norm, but whatever. You can have your precious stats topics free from my horribly biased opinions, if that's what you want.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Character Battle V Championship:
Round 1: Tidus
Heroic Mario | Posted 8/29/2006 5:15:35 PM | message detail
I'd definitely expect Vincent to outdo Auron 2k5 by a significant margin, although like I entertained in the summer I would certainly consider taking Auron 2k6 over Ganon after thanks to KH2.

Vincent is certainly above Auron by a good margin, no doubt. Auron would be around 30% after you do some adjusting to Ganon. Directly the match would be no competition because of SFF, but yeah, Vincent is definitely ahead of Auron. I'd never argue otherwise.

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"Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120."
UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/29/2006 5:16:04 PM | message detail
Female half of the bracket fails for not setting up Aeris/Tifa, come to think of it. I think Zelda/Aeris is a bit too obvious.

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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/29/2006 5:17:20 PM | message detail
I think Zelda/Aeris is a bit too obvious.

I'm guessing Zelda -- and you'd be right!

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WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/29/2006 5:18:05 PM | message detail
TO decide Vince/Auron, I think of Squall/Auron first now. I think we can agree Vince/Squall was close enough to call them just about equal anyway, yes?

Well, I would pick Squall > Auron even if Squall and Vince weren't equal, which would mean Vince > Squall, by some bit yeah. So then clearly, Vince > Auron, if Squall > Auron.


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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/29/2006 5:18:27 PM | message detail
You can have your precious stats topics free from my horribly biased opinions, if that's what you want.

Dude I'm not yelling at you like don't leave plz :(

I just don't get the need to respond to every single point you disagree with. You're like... a classier 2005 Lasa at times. I don't get it.

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Who Cares? | Posted 8/29/2006 5:18:36 PM | message detail
Female half of the bracket fails for not setting up Aeris/Tifa, come to think of it. I think Zelda/Aeris is a bit too obvious.

I hate how he passed up that match & Yuna/Rikku for bad SFF matches like Aeris/Marle & Peach/Daisy :(
Karma Hunter | Posted 8/29/2006 5:18:43 PM | message detail
I don't mind people saying ANYTHING as long as they back it up, and Leon more or less does that. It's stuff like, "Snake is going to take the main bracket how could he possibly lose to stale and repetitive Mega Man" or "Zelda is going to trash SMAUS after all Zelda won the series contest lolz" that gets me riled. But things that go against the norm are great. I've been arguing Mega Man > Samus forever now!!! =D
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/29/2006 5:19:03 PM | message detail
Zelda > Snake anyone? =P




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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/29/2006 5:20:13 PM | message detail
Zelda > Snake anyone?

Post-TP!

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"Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120."
UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/29/2006 5:20:21 PM | message detail
Well I think Ganon/Vince is entirely dependant upon whether Ganon is overrated. And he might very well be. We've already seen Magus and Tidus of that little 2003 club tank.

I'm guessing Zelda -- and you'd be right!

Well TP will probably be out by then. Hell if Zelda is major playable and has a sword, and the match comes out at just the right time, I fear for Samus. I'm not even kidding. With the SFF track record Samus has?

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Gamer SDP | Posted 8/29/2006 5:20:48 PM | message detail
uh tag again
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/29/2006 5:21:32 PM | message detail
STUPID QUESTION TIME!

This "Hi I'm Daisy!" thing.... where's it from and can I hear a clip anywhere? I seriously don't get the fad at all.

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Draco1214 | Posted 8/29/2006 5:21:53 PM | message detail
Seeing as how Snake has the most predictable path he'll ever have, the noble-nine is pretty much set in stone. Next year, Snake will MGS4 and SSBB.
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therealmnm | Posted 8/29/2006 5:22:00 PM | message detail
From last topic:

But no one cared about him. People care about Kairi. Tell me you were touched by that ending in Kingdom Hearts. Anyone that says no is a damn liar.

Ummmm, I wasn't touched by Kingdom Hearts ending at all. Maybe I'm less in touch with video games than most, or maybe you are more in touch with video games than most. But I hardly care what Kairi did in the Kingdom Hearts series. She's just sorta there to serve as the female interest to me.

I put Claire/Kairi like this. To hell with the nominations. Given the nature of the boards, you would expect Kairi to get some strong noms. I see it like this though: We can say that Resident Evil and Kingdom Hearts are about equal in popularity on this site, right? Now Claire might not be a favorite of Resident Evil fans, but she sure isn't disliked. She's tolerable at the very least. Now, Kairi may have a lot of Kingdom Hearts fans, but there are probably plenty of KH fans (including myself and I bet others in this topic) that couldn't care less about her. She will get her fair share of votes, but it's not like Claire is weak all of a sudden.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/29/2006 5:22:02 PM | message detail
Well I think Ganon/Vince is entirely dependant upon whether Ganon is overrated. And he might very well be. We've already seen Magus and Tidus of that little 2003 club tank.

Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing points to Ganon being overrated in 2005. How is it even worth considering him being overrated when it is far more likely he was underrated?

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"Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120."
LeonhartForever | Posted 8/29/2006 5:22:35 PM | message detail
I suppose it's okay to be an arrogant jerkwad (as you often can be, Ulti) as long as I'm not biased in how I do it.

So I'll be an arrogant jerkwad about stuff I don't care about from now on.

Let's see...Jade stands no chance of beating Ada Wong.
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Squall Leonhart's Road to the Character Battle V Championship:
Round 1: Tidus
Karma Hunter | Posted 8/29/2006 5:22:39 PM | message detail
Seeing as how you think Zelda is cleanly below Ganondorf Ulti, could you really imagine Zelda erasing a deficit of at LEAST 60% against Samus with TP? Zelda will need to supplant Link before I take that upset.
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/29/2006 5:23:43 PM | message detail
Well, I'm hoping for my own sake only *steals bracket* that it was less-so "Tidus is overrated" and moreso "Kirby is underrated".

I think I mentioned this yesterday, but 2005 was pretty consistent for the Kirbmeister. Tripling a FFer, be it not an all that popular one (FF4A wasn't out then, was it?), did his 58% or so on Tidus, and then got 47-48% on Sir Koopa himself? Who got 49.5% on Snake? Maybe that last one was a bit of an overperformance, but it means Kirby at least has teh capability to overpeform quite a bit?

Not that I'm banking on an overperformance or anything. >_>
No.... of course not <_<


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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/29/2006 5:24:07 PM | message detail
From LeonhartForever Posted 8/29/2006 8:22:35 PM #047
I suppose it's okay to be an arrogant jerkwad (as you often can be, Ulti) as long as I'm not biased in how I do it.

So I'll be an arrogant jerkwad about stuff I don't care about from now on.

Let's see...Jade stands no chance of beating Ada Wong.


You know, sorry, forget I said anything. I'm just tired.

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